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Also <3 Boo. With a playerlist like this I'm hoping my usual melodramatic bullshit won't be a thing
Also also, you're feline-ish correct?
Cats are all about killing birds. Care to join this super duper awesome wagon on policy of sky being a bird?
P-Edit: I'm a trustworthy person Ozgin. Just look at me.
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But Ozgin.Ozgin wrote:Cheet, I have one games worth of meta on your under my belt, and it doesn't paint a pretty picture for you. I got my eyes on your eyes!
We've been through so much together.
How can you not trust me after all of the bonding we did in a scum PT!?!?
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Hi Kitz. How much do you like RVS?
How long do you want to stay in it?
Skybird came in, said a single thing, made a complete jokevote with no momentum on it and pced.
Let's get them talking and let's move the conversation in the direction of something productive.
Boom.
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@SW, I mean, I don't like Ozgin's unvote.
But hey, I feel like I'm going to suck at reading Ozgin until shit hits the fan so shrugs all around.
I definitely was lurkier that game. Doesn't mean I'm always lurky as scum. I'm also o.o-ing you for not being more paranoid of me right now.dragon wrote:I tend to think cheetory is town at this point. He was alot more lurky last game.
You got me, I'm the town cheater. I know who all the scum are. /smirkdrix wrote:Everyone knows that "Cheetors" never prosper, so going to be taking a long hard look at Cheetory. That sounds suspiciously like some kind of mangled plural of "Cheetor" which is obviously an intentional attempt to hide "Cheater". I'm on to you Cheatory!
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Saying that a child could grow up to become a villain isn't the same.
It'd be a better analogy if like if you cloned a villain and knew that said child would have clear potential to become a terrible villain. House has a proven history of being a bastardman. He's not a blank slate like you're trying to make him out to be. And it's also being dismissive of the experiences that other people have had with him. Also, you can't say that I'm riding the popular opinion because I'm not calling you scummy for it, so calm down jeze like wow man get your knickers outta a knot or something.
Now stop asking me things so I can finish packing and then start making actually useful posts.
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Still leaning that this vote is awkward in its justification.skybird wrote:Hi Silverwolf! Good to see you too.
Gotta do a little OMGUS!
Completely empty question. Seems like she might be trying to play up House's reputation: "I am so so very paranoid of this person this game wow golly look at me I am definitely town because I am genuinely paranoid rite guyz?"skybird wrote:So do you think House is scum this game?
No.skybird wrote:Cheetory, you don't like jokes?
Jokes are for COMEDIANS.
I want to say that it feels like sky not analyzing her own wagon comes across as her trying to ignore it until it goes away, but I'd be interested in discussing that with someone who might disagree/agree.
Of all things to go after, this seems easyyyyy. Though, the followup on this has a little bit of what seems like townparanoia to it:skybird wrote:This post makes me go hmmm. How many games have you played Kitz?
I think it's the fact that she's trying to figure out whether Kitz is doing what she's doing before labeling it as scummy.skybird wrote:Kitz, from your join date I would have thought that you knew what that meant. Just trying to figure out if you are scum trying to drop a fake towntell.
Tinfoilhatme is all like "but Cheetory scum can scumhunt in this game". You're right tinfoilhatme. Thanks for your input and for reminding me why I hate multiball .
Her switch to Kitz could be motivated by seeing how much hate the Housewagon is getting.
Overall, leaning scum, but not strongly.
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Lotta fluff in Kitz's first few posts.
Not really surprising coming out of how she was playing at the end of NY180 though so shrugs all around.
This RVS vote comes pretty late. :/In post 51, Kitz wrote:Hmm, it says that itdoesinclude two non-normal roles. Better not be another mass murderer.
Oh well. Too early to speculate.
VOTE: Boonskiies
Bleh. I dislike that she's agreeing that RVS is dumb while sitting on a 100% RVS vote on someone who hasn't even posted a single time at the time of this post. I think I find it more annoying from a playstyle kind of manner and am not really feeling anything from it in terms of alignment.Kitz wrote:A. RVS is stupid, soooo, dislike.
B. Zero quantoseconds.
C. Better vote on Boonski. Dat ISO
I think I actually kind of like the vote on House coming like three minutes after song's. I think scum would be a little nervous about being seen as bandwagoning. As dumb as I think the Housewagon is, this vote at least is less boring than others.
And then she softpushes Ozgin while sitting on an empty pressurevote. Back to nullpile you go!
What exactly is it that you find suspicious about it? Can you try to articulate it a little more clearly?Kitz wrote:But other than that, I think it's suspicious the way he makes a scene about "Citizen" this early. In fact if that's the reality, Scum just got -1 out of "process of elemination" list for PR and the opposing scum.
So why don't you?Kitz wrote:However, I'd like to poke on the statement of "I expect everyone to be scumhunting."
@Kitz, talk to me about why you like your Housevote. Why is it better than an Ozginvote or a ProlapsedBrainvote?
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I'm a little wary that you didn't probe to try and find out Varsoon's intentions at all with a question or something to accompany this vote. I like the seriousness of this vote so early, but I dislike that it looks like you're not actually trying to sort what Varsoon is doing here. I'm leaning that this is lazy over scummy, but I'd like you to talk at me a little bit about what was going through your head here.Ozgin wrote:"I trust Cheetory" = lol.
VOTE: Varsoon Let's make waves, shall we?
The followup on this where you elaborate with Titus is okay, but the focus seems a lot more oriented towards explaining yourself and seems almost self-centered rather than actually interested in progressing the gamestate or sorting Varsoon.
The hedging here is a littttttle scummy.Ozgin wrote:But I have trust issues because I have a broken home life and a bad history with women, so I'm probably just being paranoid.
Ignoring citizen-claim-stuff for now.
The unvote on Varsoon just because he thinks the Housewagon is sketchy is weird. I feel like him finding the Housewagon sketchy shouldn't invalidate his vote so I don't understand why the unvote is at all necessary.
Why is this scummy?Ozgin wrote:what makes me inclined to against Kitz more than lala is the fact that it was literally 3 minutes after Sky, and that irks me.
I guess I like that he's at least asking lala a question, even if said question seems pretty... empty. Heh. I guess it does eventually go somewhere so maybe I'm just feeling nitpicky atm.Ozgin wrote:@lala - Instead of apathetically shrugging off votes against you, why not do me a favor - Tell me why you think House is probably scum.
Explain this more clearly please.Ozgin wrote:I figured it'd be hypocritical of me to vote someone near RVS with a pseudo-shitty read right before I made reads and called other peoples' votes pseudo-shitty, you know?
Ozgin wrote:Lala, I concede that he did post in a Mini-Game, but it's still possible that he only had time to make one post and, rather than delve into a fiery large normal, decided to just plonk it down on a mini game?
I think it's a little scummy that you seem to care more about poking holes in lala's logic than it seems you do about actually sorting her. Why is scumlala more likely to vote House for those reasons than townlala?Ozgin wrote:@Titus: This type of language? What the hell, are you scared of rhetoric? Are you afraid of me putting holes in lala's logic by demonstrating the same logic on an extreme?
Why were you so quick to sling shit at me for making a joke comment on an analogy?Ozgin wrote:@Cheetory, How isn't it? I think you're just riding the popular opinion that it's unpleasant, not that it doesn't do what it's designed to.
This feels townish.Ozgin wrote:Meh, I'm feeling scumhunty tonight. I'm trying to change up my town game, because apparently when I was scum in 180 and posted long and thought-out reads I was read as town, so I figure that I might as well do the same thing when I'm actually town. My win-rate as town is literally 0%, and my win-rate for scum is literally 100%. I'd like to change that.
This is why it's problematic that you postured on a vote centered around this instead of asking him about it. Because now it looks a lot like you're shifting the blame onto him for not answering a question that you never asked him about it.Ozgin wrote:even if it's true I couldn't have known that because you never stated that.
Brain is going fuzzy reading Titus/Ozgin interactions.
Taking break from reading for now.
Sh. I'm doing a thing don't butt in.Ozgin wrote:@Cheetory - A ProlapsedBrain vote? Whaaa?
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Why wouldn't his lack of response make your vote stronger/give you reason to want to push him more? Wouldn't dodginess come across as scummy to you?Ozgin wrote:Because Varsoon hadn't reacted or replied at all, and I thought it'd be more worth-while to use my vote on someone that I had a better case on. I wanted to get out of the RVS, and my lone vote on the non-responsive looked like just that.
It's hedgey because you make points about people being scummy in your eyes and then walk it back with a joke about how you're probably just being paranoid. It basically brings you around full circle and makes it so you've said not much of consequence which could come across as coasty or showy.Ozgin wrote:Also, could you explain the hedging thing to me?
Why would they do that though?Ozgin wrote:In multiball with daytalk, I feel like Sky could have posted in a scum QT something like, "Hey lets go after House" and Kitz (and/or lala) could have been like, "K" and then just hopped on for no reason.
Do you think scared scum votes for someone they're scared of?Ozgin wrote:Well lala's response to my question was pretty much, "Oh because I'm scared of him, he might be bad later on, who knows?" Furthermore, I know that House is a scary player, both in town and scum. He could be a scum just as scared of townHouse (hehe, townhouse) or opposing-team scumHouse.
Was I entirely open about why I made my vote from the get-go? If not, why am I not under the same level of scrutiny as Varsoon by you?Ozgin wrote:But my issue with him claiming he was trusting your methods as opposed to your vote was that he didn't articulate it, and then he used it as a defense against my vote that was already retracted.-
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Your Boon vote wasn't RVS?Kitz wrote:I don't really consider it RVS.
Here's my issue. You're telling me that you think lala and Kitz were hoping with their third and fourth votes on a wagon in a day cycle where hammer takes 11 people on the first day of the cycle that the momentum they would throw on there was going to absolutely 100% bring House crashing down into his early grave?Ozgin wrote:I definitely think scared scum try to do away with people they are scared of, one way or another. Whether or not it be by voting, night killing, or whatever. Think about how terrified we were as scum when TSO was making waves. Skilled players should be relatively revered, in my opinion.
That's the intention you get out that?
Because I don't get that at all. And I'm not even saying that they're town because of it. And and I find it hard to believe it's what you think that they were doing.
I think you had more merit with your Varsoon vote than you do here [even if I disagreed with the premise of it] which again, begs the question of why you felt the need to unvote Varsoon and switch to someone else for reasons that feel more or less kind of forced.-
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I never joke around.skybird wrote:Funny you say you don't like jokes. You definitely threw several out before you started scumhunting. Not sure why that is OK for you and not other people.
I've made it clear my vote is serious at the very least. Ozgin has established that he thought that Varsoon's vote on you was scummy, do you have no thoughts on that wrt Ozgin's push or Varsoon's vote?skybird wrote:The wagon on me is an RVS wagon. Why would I get paranoid over the wagon or analyze it at this point?
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Gosh I just have to be upfront, don't I :cOzgin wrote:Uh, letting other people fight about their nonsense, and sitting back and cruising by?
Okay. So, what do you think House is going to look at first when he starts reading the game?
In my head, I imagine him first going "there is a wagon on me. Hm." and then looking at those votes. If lala and Kitz are afraid of House and they're scum, why wouldn't they be worried about him taking a closer look at them because of their votes on him? Why would they need to forge reasoning so hard for why they think someone is scum if they're capable of hunting for a second scumteam if they were scum?-
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I'm trying to decide whether Ozgin being this irritable is more likely to be coming from town. Someone from last game who I'd prefer to have not been on my scumteam with because that may be influencing my perception of him {though I wouldn't mind talking with Silver about it if she's interested} can you tell me whether you thought Ozgin was a lot more lax last game even under a lot of pressure with being lynched?
His citizen claim is bad but I don't really care to talk about it and I don't think it's necessarily as much of a smoking gun as people are making it out to be.
VOTE: dragonspawn
oo bb i wann get yoo.
Egg stop being paranoid about me.Egg wrote:That's what Cheet does as scum with another scum group. I've seen it.-
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This reasoning looks showy and I have a really hard time believing that dragon actually believes that something like this is going to be used to catch scumTSO of all people.dragonspawn wrote:scum tend to announce they are not scum at the beginning.
You just saw how convincing TSO can be as scum, right? Was this vote more just to apply pressure to see how TSO would react than it was because you actually believed how scummy TSO is, or what?
Andddd the odds of his TSOvote being for pressure goes down because he's switching votes for more really surface level reasoning. Why is scum more likely to join a wagon in RVS than town?dragonspawn wrote:forth on a wagon in rvs or close to it. Like that for scum better
Hedgey surface level reasoning for me being town. "This person is possibly town but nvm actually they might not be."dragonspawn wrote:I tend to think cheetory is town at this point. He was alot more lurky last game.
course it could be the fact that their are two scum teams this game.
I like this question. It's an interesting angle to be thinking about. Like, "why isn't this person scumhunting, they must be scum", is an okay indicator as to whether someone is scum or not, but it's not without its blindspots, you know? But I think this is something worth talking about and multiball generally makes scumhunting a very different kind of beast to deal with.dragonspawn wrote:So, just curious, if everyone is supposed scum hunt, which makes perfect sense in the set up, what should we think if someone wasnt?
I have a hard time understanding why he isn't applying this level of critical thinking to his reasoning for his reads though.
How are these two things equivalent? Like, unless you aren't closely reading what people are saying and the implications of what it means to claim Citizen?dragonspawn wrote:So tso claims to be town off the bad and I vote for it in random voting and my reasoning is bad.
Ozgin claims to be a citizen and he's scum.
And how are you feeling about this interaction in terms of alignment?dragonspawn wrote:Wait a second. Wasn't taly the first one voting for house? Now all of a sudden he doesn't want to lynch house today. Taly defending house just seems weird to me. Especially since I've seen how you guys don't get along as town.
How're you reading House/Taly atm?
Can you talk at me about what you mean by this? How exactly does scum slip up by doing that? Have you ever actually seen that happen?dragonspawn wrote:Scum having daytalk means they are more likely to slip up by doing things in unison
Which game was this?dragonspawn wrote:And also little cautious of varsoon because of my upclose view of his recent scum game
What are you finding more townish about him?dragonspawn wrote:I'm also eading oz as more townish.
Varsoon will get shit done if he keeps playing like this.dragonspawn wrote:@Cheetory, what do you think of Varsoon sleeping you earlier with sky? What about his push for ozgin?
There's no reason to even worry about him until we're past like D2 or something.
I could really easily see him being a scum-mastermind and his engagement levels here could really easily point to him being scum, but I really just don't care atm. There's bigger fish to fry!
No.dragonspawn wrote:Boonskies is towniest there can be.
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Sorry I just remembered that you said this and then never followed up with it.Silver wrote:Cheet-Oz was different in the hood in 180, more mellow and relaxed, I don't think I can use this to read him here because I was a scumbucket in that game who thought Oz might be a fellow scumbucket so that colored my view of him there. What is your current read on Ozgin?
I'm currently leaning townish on Ozgin, because despite the fact that he's done things which strike me as logically likely for scum to do, I've gotten more townvibes from his posts than scumvibes. I may be trusting a little bit too much on him being less angry as scum because I think he knew in NY180 if he got lynched it wasn't the end of the world because it was like D5 and not as much of a loss for a scumteam than it would be on D1 with three people. I think him being a lot more frustrated with getting run up could be linked to that.
I do also think that he's started using that logic as a shield like here:
Ozgin wrote:I should just do what I did in 180 and chill out with some "medical aid," it seems to help a lot.
So like, I get little worries that I might be wrong, but I just kind of feel like he's probably town and I'd rather have more time to try and sort him out atm.
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What are you trying to say that I'm scum with Ozgin?Titus wrote:Why? All I see is scum with his buddies leaving avenues open to bus if it catches on. I am just not 100 which ones as town do that too in response to legit scum wagon really early.
Lol.
I'm insulted if you seriously think I would waffle like this on my scummate if I were scum this game.
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I'm not pretending that this is an absolute scenario in which Ozgin is 100%conftown or anything. I don't even feel particularly strong about my townread there.
I just don't put much stock in the Citizenstuff being alignment indicative in the same way you are and it's influencing my perception of him different I guess.-
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