New York 182 - Game Over

[ika]

forst order of business:

elusive are you town?

[ika]

and you have to pormis me your not lying about it cus otherwise i will be sad

[ika]

forst order of business:

elusive are you town?

ika I'm always fucking town, these days I'm town against my will which is frustrating.

however, what will happen when I do roll scum and you ask that question? How will I get around it?

thats for you to figure out darling

if i told you now you would use it to counter me.

ok so i have concluded elusive is town.

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elusive do you have a rainbow read list for me? i have only been losely paying attention but i would like to hear from you

[ika]

elusive, when you are not so grouchy and in a better mood do you mind doing rainbows.

i also need some music as well, got any ideas?

ill prob go iso hunting in a bit for assocative

[ika]

@thor, elusive is town dont even try

[ika]

Try what?
I flat out caught Elusive lying to the point where "case on Choof" means "way you talked about Choof a lot when I asked you about Choof and when Copper was dodging answering your question so you had to ask it a few times"

Is that normal town Elusive lying? I could buy that if you can back it up.

shes not lying though? she gave you direct quotes iirc but you just seem to not be accepting it.

your agruing smatics with her and its stupid and pointless.

as for backign it up i have played games with her offsite long enough to where if she was scum it would be shown by a mile

[ika]

elusive, calm down for a moment.

stop getting all riled and do the simple question game agian with people and talk to me about who you think is scum right now

[ika]

@thor im not going to get into smatic battles. so im going to cut it altogether and ask you one simple question: do you think shes scum even though she is voting with you? simple yes or no.

as for her offsite games thats entirely her if she wants to bring them or not she has told em before that she rather not bring up her past for [reasons here]

[ika]

Still working on Sakura's ISO, I need more meta about her to see if she is more likely to buss, ignore or townread her buddies to make proper deductions, luckily some of my other games are winding down so I should be able to give this the proper attention becore team mafia.

she never wants to bus. iirc one large theme game from a scum QT (i can hunt it later) she rather try to go flawless then bus

[ika]

@copper/fuzzy

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=59516

Subject: Somewhere in the Human Village in the Basement (Dark PT)

Hi, my partners in crime.
A bit about me, I usually don't bus as I love having Scum perfect wins unless it's extremely necessary, I also have a tendency to make bad night kill choices so don't rely on me about it. There's also the fact about me and Nacho being in hydra so this might change a bit depending on who's posting.

Was stupid to go find the PT though cus the mod didn't link it in thread ( was loosely following the game and glanced though some of the QTs)

i will respond proper later though im tired, i do have tuse off so that will most likely be my day where i do crap

[ika]

can everyone do a fn little idea/activity for me: what do you think is most likely and why?

Mafia+WW+vig
Mafia+WW+vig
Mafia+WW+sk
Mafia+sk+vig

i am also goign to get my chart setup so i can fill in votes and crap.

[ika]

for soem reason i have 2 of mafia/WW/vig when it should of been mafia/sk/vig

[ika]

her thor, if you cant get elusives gender right im not just going to blaitently ignore you

[ika]

call it what you like im just not stooping to your level with this petty debate

[ika]

You're the guy complaining about my arguments being "semantic based" while also refusing to have a conversation describing your thoughts because I used "he" instead of "she" and wish to present it as some sort of moral high ground in the game of Mafia?

Seriously?

the complaing about calling elusive s/he is entirely outside of the argument your having earlier, i just know personaly (from her iso no less) that she would rather be called the right gender

Like, my initial question that you are dodging was "how is it not a lie and why do you believe this?"

That isn't semantics and it ASSUREDLY isn't a "stooping" question.

What is this?

cus if you read her iso and her response you will see that she has presented where she beleved what she said?

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like i said im not goignt o get into a stupid argument about shit stuff cus its not how i play the games. if you want to talk to em you can talk to me about reads and not how about people preceve things

[ika]

I think we have a difference in interpretation?

Or I think copper made a genuine case about choof and I don't get your case on him?

^like these 2 things right here really just kinda give you the entire anser your looking for and that she isnt lying.

[ika]

Does your meta on her include her alternate definition of the word "case"?

yes and again i am looking at it and your basicly going into a pointless argument about what 2 (you and her) players call a "case"

im done here im goign back to work on my chart

[ika]

from my understanding of the set up there likely only two scenerio

2 scum team or a scum team and a ww team... likely 3 people each team
or a 5 party scum team. Theeses are the most lpopolur set up as far as I can tell.

either way there is atleast 1 more scum on the FF/ Sakura scum team.

I am kinda baffled that the town is pretty much ignoring two confscum flips

Thor- exactly what do you want me to answer????

what about the flips
do you think
is worth paying attention to?

wait two people flip scum and you are asking why we should pay attention to thier flips. This is scum hunting 101 imho . Why wouldnt we not pay attention to them????

I think the real question fuzzy, is why are you bitching about it when you could be doing it yourself? i already said i will do it on tuse

@thor i will get to your post later im tired and got work in a few hrs but im prob goign to make a big post and then drop the entire debical

[ika]

time to respond to crap and then get to sleep

[ika]

So you agree with the concept that me talking about someone, when I am asked about someone, can be scummy?

Or, at least, in her head, that it could be scummy?

Depends on how you approach it overall. from elusives POV she takes it as scummy. others can take it as null. others cna take it as town. this is what im talkign about that this is jsut a poitnless deciable

i may have been exacgarting on how massive it is but maybe this can help:

her playstlye has almost no real "logic" to it and that she goes a lot on guts and what jsut feels right to her. She has had games where she can just call out a scum team out of no reason other then "they feel scummy". much like me where i just dont give craps about cases (really you can do bullet points if you need a case) but she also has the weakness of jsut going tunnle mode on people who suspect her and get as i would say "destracted by the shiny object" the thing with her is that she very reactionary and that any poke in her direction will cause an ooutburst untill you know how to porperly adress it that doesnt come out as threatening

BUT ---!

My gut is a good gut. Its not 100% accurate, but its led my team to astounding victories.

This rings my scum radar.

You're the guy complaining about my arguments being "semantic based" while also refusing to have a conversation describing your thoughts because I used "he" instead of "she" and wish to present it as some sort of moral high ground in the game of Mafia?

Seriously?

This is the

exact

point that I made, but elusive made it such a big deal.
Also why @ika are you defending elusive so much?

Cus i know her and that shes very emotion based and is quick to react.

on the gender thing: can we jsut agree that its not a huge deal and jsut call her she out of respect. if she continues i will get onto her peronally and tell her to stop. she may not listen to you guys about petty thign but she will listent o me about it.

thats they dynamic we also share is that if you guys attack/talk her she going to hole up at everoyne. if i talk to her i can most likly get her to calm downa bit and work out her thoughts better

[ika]

I think that Elusive might think she is being disrespected.

^that, just call her proper and if she brings it up just quote it for me if i miss it and i will correct her myself. she will honestly be more inclined to listen to me then others.

on game though: fuzzy are you scum? cus i have like seen nothing from your psot that resemble anythign town right now

[ika]

or maybe its just that we dont remeber it?

[ika]

Someone who isn't bad talk with Thor about elusive.

why? so we can continue to have pointless debates about her?

pedit: nah i think he jsut wants people to agree with him right now. its stupid to have the debate

[ika]

or maybe its cus we know its a game and we really dont give a crap about being right or wrong or geting into petty battle about your ego?

[ika]

UNVOTE:

just cus i can

[ika]

I shouldn't post when I'm in a bad mood.

i think that could be applies to thor a lot more. it sounds like hes cranky

[ika]

Whatevs.
I don't think this conversation is productive.
ika, what do you think of anti right now? Why aren't you voting anyone, sir?

dont care about him

im not voting cus i dont care to have my vote around for anyone. maybe when someone gets to l-1 ill consider

[ika]

thor let em take a page from you on what you shout at everyone: just repalce out

if all you are going to do is bitch at people that they /could/ play better (im just lazy to play better) then your not really progressing the game state and more or less making people feel even more demotivated to play (cus thats what its doing to me as well, you yelling and stupid shit is just wanting me to even post less). have you ever considered that we are content with how we play right now? or that some of us dont like to put foward effort to only see it go to waste?

like do you realize that your constant complainign abotu gamestate and players is really one of the reaosns why im actualy avoiding the thread?

[ika]

@Ika - seriously - do you take personal offense that I think players who don't read the game are bad players?
Like - do you think that's a *good* playstyle?
Do you use that playstyle?

Because if you don't...why does it offend you?

do i find it personaly insulting? no
do i find it highly demotivating? yes

yes i find it good cus i use it a lot and it has done me much more help vs me rereading crap.

again this is jsut going to boil down to an agree to disagree:

you think its bad, i think its not

i think your constant complaing about players not reading is making the game a negative atmosphere and makign the game more sloggy with your constant complaing about playstyles when its much better suited for a MD thread.

[ika]

VOTE: fuzzy

this is they lych i want today

[ika]

are you guies done yet?

[ika]

fuzzy link your 3 scum games

[ika]

i love how fuzzy wants me to jsutify my vote but completely ignores my other question.

more vote on fuzzy plz

[ika]

i love how fuzzy is calling me out to expaling something when i was not here and was at work.

[ika]

i love how fuzzy is calling me out to expaling something when i was not here and was at work.

You're here now.

ya and?

[ika]

vote him

who?

[ika]

i could do a ns lynch tbh

[ika]

Thought it was important to get a reason for your vote and for your not to easily ignore it if and when you came back. Nothing less and nothing more. Piss refuses to explain his random vote and than tries to make me look scummy for asking about it. Ugh

well your constant naggin of it makes you look very self aware.

FMPOV is one perosn votes me, i am more or less inclined to ignore it cus its a vote. its a pile starts coming on with no reason then i start poking at people.

the very fact your screaming "why you voting me" over and over looks scummy in itself

[ika]

honestly im more intrested in her reaplce out right now cus thats a first from her...

[ika]

(yes i know its not directed at me but its something that strikes me odd)

[ika]

i love how flub complains about a player who has only been here for one game day

[ika]

vc mod?

[ika]

I find it a bit BM to lynch a guy that is V/LA for personal reasons but he was coasting before he announced that and with my new job starting today I don't have the time to do the analysis required to re-evaluate.

objectively speaking: I agree it is BM regardless of alignment to lynch a V/LA player

realistically speaking: scum is scum, town is town. reagrdless of RL status he should be lynched

[ika]

I find it a bit BM to lynch a guy that is V/LA for personal reasons but he was coasting before he announced that and with my new job starting today I don't have the time to do the analysis required to re-evaluate.

objectively speaking

: I agree it is BM regardless of alignment to lynch a V/LA player

realistically speaking

: scum is scum, town is town. reagrdless of RL status he should be lynched

You are completely contradicting yourself here. You say regardless of alignment, and I am doing nothing alignment indicative, so you are just looking for a mislynch to happen. Like wtf? Haha.

VOTE: Ika

I was refering to NS?

i dont give a fuck about you right now boons, also read the bolded, they are from 2 different standpoints

[ika]

also notice boon i ommited the part about you.

[ika]

*waits for l-1*

[ika]

muffin, do you have a guess why your pretector repalced out?

[ika]

VOTE: ns

will be at work

[ika]

i know what varsoon most likely is if he claimed to have both the kill and JK.

the quesiton is, is it town aligned

[ika]

Vasoon you claimed how vig,,,, as far as I know vigs can not JK . Are you a vig or not

Flub
mm= Muffin Man correct

i know what varsoon most likely is if he claimed to have both the kill and JK.

the quesiton is, is it town aligned

It's like you guys don't know what a JOAT is.
Don't worry, I've got some other goodies in my bag for the nights to come.

well thats what i was hinting you were but i didnt want to say

[ika]

we lynching thor?

[ika]

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Strongman

normal states that commuter beats out strongman