NY 183 - Apocalypse Mafia

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Hey guys.

Haven't read a single page. Will get around to this later today.

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Doing some reading now.

I can't promise I'm going to read the whole game but I'll give it a try.

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Only read 7 pages but got some decent reads already, will try not to comment on any people that are dead. Can someone summarize the game and the important events that have happened so far please?

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Currently read up to the end of page 10, I have town reads on Grib, Rubicon, Peace and maybe Pointy as well.

Not liking Nero Cain or Jbomber (Vampirate).

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Wait, both Peace and RIP are PRs and neither died?

Is that what I'm reading atm?

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Grib, can you update me on the current game state please?

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I am reading it, but it's a lot to read.

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Are we looking at 3rd party or one scum team?

One scum team seems weak, unless it's 5 scum.

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Just finished page 20.

Not much has changed; I still dislike the Jbomber slot but I now retract my townread on Pointy and I'm suspicious of Dave as well.

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Alright, so 4/5 man scum team.

I'm really bad at set-up balance so some input from someone who is a little more knowledgeable than I am would be nice.

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Currently at the end of page 30 and I'm taking a break now.

Umm, I'm pretty sure I want to lynch inside of Dave/Vampirate/Pointy Today.

Both Dave's and Pointy's interactions regarding the Vampirate wagon felt all kinds of scummy to me.

Here is something to consider; I'm not sure if anyone has done this but here goes. Remember the speed of that Jbomber wagon? From L-9 to L-1 within a page or so...look at the VC with known flips;

Vote Count

jbomber732

(8):

Skold

, Rubicon, Errantparabola,

Ricastle

,

Creative

, Nero Cain, PointYbagelS, PeaceBringer

Skold

(2):

elusive, Grib

elusive

(2):

bewilderbeast,

Garmr

Boonskiies

(1):

davesaz

Klingoncelt

(1):

Boonskiies

PointYbagelS

(1):

Klingoncelt

Nero Cain

(1):

jbomber732

Not Voting

(2):

Kitz

, Megalo

Three known scum completely avoided the wagon, I find this extremely surprising not only because of the speed of the wagon but because of how scummy Bomber is. Klingon makes a comment along the lines of

'I think it's a good case on Jbomber but I want to wait for a replacement to come in before I vote.'

I'm not sure what to read into this, so I'm presenting it for some thoughts.

I'm leaning more towards Vampirate being scum atm, but will see what happens as I continue catching up. I think Rubicon is town and I know I'm town. That leaves Nero, Pointy and Peace. I like Peace for town so far and I think Nero could be town now as well (I initially thought his whole Boon push was some sort of elaborate scum gambit, especially because of how early he started it. I will be watching their interactions closely)

PEdit - How has Dave been cleared?

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Also to note; all 3 scum had posted while Jbomber was being run up so they had the chance to jump on if they wanted it.

Both Klingon and Boon expressed a disliking of the wagon.

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Alright, so we lynch Vampirate and Pointy and we probably win the game, right?

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Vampirate seems better option Grib.

VOTE: Vampirate

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Come onnnn.

Let's get it moving.

Pointy Tomorrow either way.

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Are we doing popcorn?

I don't know Grib, I just feel that the information provided from the person being wagoned as opposed to the people jumping on just tilts it in that favour for me.

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I'm Doc

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Crumbed it in my earlier posts, first letter of 3 consecutive posts.

Protected Rubicon last night.

I'll ask Mod for who EP protected.

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oing some reading now.

I can't promise I'm going to read the whole game but I'll give it a try.

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nly read 7 pages but got some decent reads already, will try not to comment on any people that are dead. Can someone summarize the game and the important events that have happened so far please?

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urrently read up to the end of page 10, I have town reads on Grib, Rubicon, Peace and maybe Pointy as well.

Not liking Nero Cain or Jbomber (Vampirate).

DOC.

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Ummm, why are we doing Taly?

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Like, it really should be Pointy or Vampirate.

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Night 1 it was elusive.

Night 2 it was Grib

No protect on N3

I thought you looked town, Rubicon. I responded to Shin at 3am, had a very quick skim of the last couple of pages. Chose RIP, then switched to you and went to bed.

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I like to make them a little obscure.

It's mostly for me to point out. Not for people to catch.

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Dave, you should unvote until everyone has claimed.

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elusive is VT Grib.

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Yeah, it was L-1.

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Town seem really powerful...

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Could be 5 scum.

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Vampirate should have claimed while they were here.

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Just want to point out that Nero's not confirmed town either, and we shouldn't treat him like he is.

I'm actually starting to worry that he might be scum. If taly flips town I don't think we should completely overlook him.

I'm a little bothered that he put himself on his confirmed town list. I realize that everyone's confirmed to themself, but that seems a bit more sinister than, for example, putting yourself in a townreads list.

Maybe I'm nitpicking, but Nero worries me.

I am also worried about Nero.

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Can we get a VC please, Mod?

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I have been getting that feeling lately.

I also think I was wrong on you.

Which means the 3 people I wanted to lynch I no longer want to lynch.

Which means I'll have to continue catching up on this game and I really don't want to do that.

UNVOTE:

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VOTE: Drixx

Friendly L-2 nudge.

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Peace said Taly didn't go anywhere.

RIP is MIA.

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Taly went nowhere.....

Why aren't people reading.

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I thought town were overpowered as well.

Never lynching Grib though.

It's RIP out of those 3

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Peace would be exactly who scum would want to lynch as well.

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OK, so the lynch should be between RIP/Nero right?

I think lynch Nero and Peace tracks RIP?

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There is no way scum have two role-blockers.

What is this 'ascetic'?

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Nero, you understand it's very likely elusive is town due to protects, right?

RIP's absence is worrying.

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VOTE: RIP

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Coz he isn't doing anything.

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Your early push on Boon was all kinds of wrong.

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Because there is no way you could have felt that strongly that early in the game.

Also, due to the previous game experience between the two of you (which you both happened to bring up) it adds a feeling of authenticity to it.

Then there is the fact that after all your confidence in it...you abandoned it.

Yeah...lots of things don't feel right with it.

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Alt?

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Nah, no alt.

It's also pretty clear you left your Boon wagon D1 to join the Jbomber wagon.

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Don't forget your lynch Nero.

That will be happening as well.

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VOTE: Drixx

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Soooooo....11 people alive.

Nobody posting.

We should lynch Drixx now.

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Forgot he was in the game...

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Getting a wagon going on RIP would be great.

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VOTE: RIP

Grib, you're like the coolest motherfucker on the planet.

I want you to know that.

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Agreed. It makes no sense; he has had more than enough time to make what should be a very short post.

It's late now so I need sleep. It would be just fantastic if I could wake up to an RIP lynch, scum flip and town win.

Just. Fantastic.

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Guess I'll take this role then...

Scum claim?

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Indeed it was.

So RIP is prob lying, right?

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Like, scum having two role blockers is highly unlikely.

And I don't know what else would have stopped him getting a result.

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But then, I don't know why RIP would lie...it would be easy for him to claim an inno on someone if he was scum...

Shall we get on with lynching Drixx and move this game forward?

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It sure was. I only replaced in during the night so we couldn't have discussed it Yesterday.

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Yeah, I don't know what Grib is doing...

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Though I see no scum motivation for Grib to act like a NP has passed when it hasn't...

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Unless you think he thought nobody would notice...

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Sooooo....this game is gonna stall until we lynch someone.

Can we get to doing that.

Nero or RIP. Pick one.

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How I'm leading wagon? This is ridiculous.
I'm an important role, obv there was an attempt at my life or rubicon. Either I was role lock or jail kept or some other weird shit.

I'll be here late tonight

Except for everyone has claimed so we know that can't be the case (town wise).

Do you think it makes sense for scum to have 2 role-blockers?

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Actually, what if scum had a factional role block?

Hmm...

Role block RIP and kill Rubicon.

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I don't know.

I'm just throwing shit out.

I'm kind of fed up with this game tbh.

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No, they don't.

I doubt we have a SK.

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VOTE: Nero

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You're scum.

That is why I'm voting you.

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You couldn't have known the power roles Yesterday.

Mass-claim only happened Today.

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I don't understand why none of them were killed then...

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My scum read on you does not come from RIP's actions.

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TBF, there was a pr killed last night

No, there wasn't...

Nobody was killed last night.

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Which means we had 3 outed PRs and scum chose to look elsewhere?

Really? Like, what the fuck?

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Right, which means scum left alive 3 outed PR's last night...why? Why would anyone do this?

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VOTE: Vampirate

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de boop.

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VOTE: Pointy

Ahhhhhh.

There we go

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Fuck, I completely forgot about this game.

I didn't save anyone.

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I would have protected Peace as well. Fuck, sorry about that guys.

Major mistake from me.

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Soooo, we're lynching RIP or Nero Today, right?

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I could lynch Nero.

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OK, I just had a thought. I wanted to lynch RIP first until I had the following thought;

RIP claims to have been role-blocked somehow. I have been left alive. I claimed Doc, and was allowed to live. Why would scum let that happen? Did/do scum really have two roleblockers? Are scum OK with me living because they can simply block me every night until people doubt my claim?

I think I wanna do Nero first.

VOTE: Nero

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I really disliked his heavy push on Boon in the early game.

I also disliked his abandonment of his sure read once a bigger wagon took off (can't remember who it was on). I'm sure I have explained this somewhere

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Everyone has claimed.

There is no JK.

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No I don't believe I scum read Peace.

The only people I would consider 'cleared' are Grib and Rubicon. Maybe elusive as well due to predecessor's protection.

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And Dave. But that is based on Grib being town.

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I might still be alive because my death conf towns so many people.

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It will if we all vote Nero.

I don't understand what people are waiting for.

If Drixx hasn't caught up and posted content the following day (after having two real life days with no new content) to catch up then we just auto lynch that slot.

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Then you should propose a better lynch.

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Well Rubi isn't scum soooo.....

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Because I protected him and there was no night kill...

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Why are you assuming scum have an action?

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You can call me new, but I'm not.

You're getting wagoned because you're scummy.

I'm waiting to see what Rubi intends to do.

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Sure.

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NS?

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Imagine if Dave was Godfather...I could see that being a possibility tbh.

Without claims, Dave is the person I would put money on being scum.

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RIP, it's highly unlikely we're looking for two more scum IMO.

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Yeah, Grib copped him.

But, if he is Godfather (scum) he would show up as innocent due to his role.

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JOAT is a role.

We're not lynching Grib.

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You don't believe JOAT is a role...?

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Drixx, I highly doubt we are looking for two scum. 5 scum just seems overpowering.

I would vote Dave.

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You think there is one scum and it's Dave?

This is correct.

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Or Dave is Godfather and Grib did investigate him but got an inno because Dave is Godfather...

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I think he could well be.

Although thinking about it, it seems a little strange to have a Godfather in a game where there is essentially a 1-shot cop.

I mean, I just think Dave is the least town out of the people left alive.

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Ughhhh, traitor, encryptor and Roleblocker. Last scum is surely just a goon?

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Dave, shush.

I'm like, confirmed town.

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Although, if you want to summarize why I am scum that would be great.

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Yeah, so you thought I would enter the game and crumb a role straight away that I didn't have?

Especially one as popular as Doc where it would be a reasonable assumption that a Doc might be in the game? You're right though, I'm not scum hunting as I usually do. Then again, I'm not as invested in this game as most of you are.

I'm pretty much going on what has happened since I replaced in.

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Drixx, why is Dave not cleared by Grib?

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I think I may have figured this game out.

I'm interested in what you have to say.

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OK, can we do Nero first then?

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VOTE: RIP

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Good job town! Well played Rubicon, you sussed it out.

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RIP, why did you leave me alive?

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That replace out was pretty bad considering you were scum.

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In fact, I'm pretty sure you can get banned for replacing out the way you did for the reasons you did it.

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A hissy fit because you had been caught?

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Looking back, it really didn't make sense to have a 2-shot cop when you have a JOAT who has a 1-shop cop as well.

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I'm pretty sure replacing out for tactical reasons is not allowed.

If it is allowed, it shouldn't be.

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Thanks for modding Shin.

Great modding as always.

If you're running any mini normal/themes let me know and I'm in.