NY 188: Delicious Mafia II (Post-game chatter)

[Mahonster]

VOTE: Quaroath
>.>

[Mahonster]

I'm up for a red flip.
VOTE: red

[Mahonster]

Because Nos is bussing him, and that looks like scum attempt. My vote is also in accordance with Silver's reasons, and the idea that we need to flip a little instead of sit around and chat nothing forever.

[Mahonster]

I'm pretty sure we weren't at L-1?

[Mahonster]

Missed that, on mobile and don't have time right now but will tonight.

[Mahonster]

I'm pretty sure we weren't at L-1?

him saying this should prove he's scum. Purposeful lurking. He had 3 posts before this, yet he was "pretty sure it wasn't L-1". He's reading the thread, just avoiding posting. funny how he started again after i voted him.

Funny how I started posting in the thread after you voted me? What?
There was all of one actual post. And that was a sentence to clarify to the people like you who were posting this:

DAMN I MISSED AN L-1!

And me lurking is cute. I don't post for the sake of posting, and it has been less than 48 hours since game start.

I'm pretty sure we weren't at L-1?

Respond pls:

Because Nos is bussing him, and that looks like scum attempt. My vote is also in accordance with Silver's reasons, and the idea that we need to flip a little instead of sit around and chat nothing forever.

Scum attempt?
Do you have anything else to say about anyone?
What's so scummy about Nos?

-Nos appears scummish to me and to others, so if everyone is talking about a red lynch while they're partners, his weak attempt at jumping on that wagon is what I meant by a "scum attempt". Kinda like the opposite of WKing. (Specifically this post for example: 254. That meta defeatist also says scummy)
-Silver isn't exactly what she was like the last time I played with her, but I would also expect Silver to be changing her play style this game from previous meta. So not completely sure what to expect yet.
-He's using a whole lot if "no if I was scum I would do X in this situation" as defense. Scum do that.

[Mahonster]

I would definitely call Silver town until late game.

[Mahonster]

I'm suspect for calling Silver town until late game? That replace out says town to me, and I'm not judging based entirely on meta like everyone else is here. I prefer the idea that meta really doesn't mean anything, especially in Silver's case.

[Mahonster]

Well then, I'm incredibly Naïve. TSO can you point out the main differences between Silver's scum/town game?

People can manipulate their meta. Easily. I would fully expect Silver to be trying something different this game.

My vote on red was full sheep. If I'm scum for that then wow this is going to be a great game.

[Mahonster]

That was actually hilarious.

[Mahonster]

My vote on red was full sheep.

Hm.

Could you please share in further detail why exactly you're voting for him?

Um, sheep. As I pointed out with my vote:

1) Nos's general scuminess along with his vote of red.
2) Sheeping silver's reasons.
3) Desire of a quick flip for more information.

[Mahonster]

That was actually hilarious.

hi there, how ar eyou

got any town reads that you would liek to share?

I would call Wake town unless Nos flips scum. At that point I would investigate things.
Silver I already said town.
I kinda like Quaroath this game, as opposed to previous experience.

The rest tba.

[Mahonster]

If TSO of all people was lynched today, that would be suuuper interesting.

[Mahonster]

Its like Delicious Mafia and Refraction Mafia had a baby with this player list

I love it

Looks like I'm adopted.


"It would be super interesting if TSO was lynched today" -Me.
What I meant by this is that TSO is obviously a pretty dang good and experienced player right? I'm just saying that the scenario of him being lynched while other scum/mislynch candidates exist would be interesting to watch. Bonus points if TSO is scum. Really I just said that because it's one of the last things I would have expected today.

[Mahonster]

Have no clue, haven't seen enough of her. That says something.

From what little I've gathered though, seems a bit out of place and not really observant. The question is if this is intentional or not.

[Mahonster]

2. Why would Ozgin be worried about TSO at all if Ozgin was town? Only scum need to be worried.

This is wrong. Town have plenty of reasons to be worried.

You're clearly misrepping. I didn't say town has no reason to be worried.

I said town should have no reason to be worried about you specifically.

And if that's also what you also meant, then why would town be worried about you?

No, that's not really what you said. Town should be super worried in the case that TSO is scum.
If Ozgin is town, then him worrying is perfectly fine.

Even if there's not clear evidence that TSO is scum right now, we absolutely can't dismiss him as pro town.

UNVOTE: red

[Mahonster]

I'm feeling the impression that Gray is an unfortunate slot mislynched.

[Mahonster]

Not particularly, I'm really best with relationships. And because I don't know any for sure scum yet it's difficult to judge.

Texcat, TSO, Boon, Nos, and Anna are on a list right now.

[Mahonster]

I kinda like Quaroath this game, as opposed to previous experience.

Maybe he's playing different on purpose, but last game I got onto him because he slipped up just a little bit in a couple of places and was calling out a bit past reason. (IMO, haven't looked at that in a while).

This game he hasn't posted a whole lot, but right now I don't see anything that points scum.

[Mahonster]

I take that back, he's posted a lower end moderate amount.

[Mahonster]

Red wagon was gone. I'm looking at other things now.

[Mahonster]

Believable claim by SilverWolf.

I am for outing of the neighborhood members, and I would like to get claims.

I am not in a neighborhood. That makes me, GrayFoxxxx, Silver (and like one more I think I missed) not in a neighborhood so far.

[Mahonster]

And yeah, I would leave my vote here for now.
VOTE: Anna
Three in a neighborhood, probably one scum, this one's the scummiest.

[Mahonster]

I'm for the knowledge of all hoods Wake, not just the penthouse.

[Mahonster]

I'm for the knowledge of all hoods Wake, not just the penthouse.

I don't agree with it, because all of that information

also

becomes Scum's.

Would you say the same thing about Mason PTs, or just Neighbors?

What I want to know is where you draw the line when it comes to releasing information when it comes to power roles and hidden threads.

Do you also believe, for the sake of knowledge, that more PRs should claim? You say you're for the knowledge. Please clarify.

Also, since one neighborhood is revealed and its neighbors, would you also argue that all the posts therein should be paraphrased and shared here?

I want to know exactly where you stand when it comes to this.

The information is not amazingly useful to scum. Plus there's already a very good chance that scum are in at least one of the neighborhoods.

No, definitely not Masons. Conftown is not a good outing, and because neighborhoods are not conftown, being able to map them all together could be really useful.

No, I don't want more PRs, those are more useful to town when they're hidden. I want the neighborhoods and who is in them, to me this way has much less chance of them being manipulated by scum. The thing is, if somebody is outed as a neighbor, that does nothing helpful for scum seeing as there's no alignment indication at all.

If the neighbors feel something needs to be shared from the neighborhood, I am all for it. We don't need every post just the important things.

Knowing who is in a neighborhood with who IMO provides less room for scum to manipulate.

Also, tying back to my question, does this mean you'd see all the Neighbors claim?

Please clarify this once and for all if you'd see all the neighbors claim or not. Yes or no, Mahonster.

Yes.

Also @Silver you mentioned possibilities of neighborizers in penthouse? How likely do you think that is?

And yeah, I would leave my vote here for now.
VOTE: Anna
Three in a neighborhood, probably one scum, this one's the scummiest.

Argghhh. This is crap! You shouldn't be voting for the scummiest in the one neighborhood that's claimed; you should be voting for the scummiest in the game. "Three in a hood, one is scum" is just total speculation and absolutely no reason for a vote at this point.

This is why the hoods should remain silent for the time being.

If you look at the normal guidelines, it actually says that if there's more than two neighbors basically one of them is usually antitown.

That makes me, GrayFoxxxx, Silver (and like one more I think I missed) not in a neighborhood so far.

you missed me and Nosferatu

1. Skybird
2. T S O
3. Ika
4. Silverwolf - Non neighbor
5. Shinobi
6. Boonskiies
7. Wake88
8. Ozgin
9. Texcat
10. Kop*
11. Zebulin*
12. Lapsa - Non Neighbor
13. GrayFoxxxx - Non Neighbor
14. Mahonster - Non Neighbor
15. Quaroath
16. Creede73
17. Nanite
18. Spiffeh
19. Nosferatu - Non Neighbor
20. Annadog40
21. Salamence20

I'll finish this list later

[Mahonster]

Yeah Ozgin's reads don't sit well with me. Need more time and game to be sure of anything though.

[Mahonster]

Striked

= Claimed non neighbor

1. Skybird -

The Northwest Commonroom

2. T S O -

Unknown Hood 1

3. Ika ?
4.

Silverwolf

5. Shinobi ?
6. Boonskiies ?
7. Wake88 ?
8. Ozgin ?
9. Texcat ?
10. Kop ?
11. Fro99er -

The Northwest Commonroom

12.

Lapsa

13.

GrayFoxxxx

14.

Mahonster

15. Quaroath ?
16. Creede73 -

Unknown Hood 1

17. RedFF -

Unknown Hood 1

18. Spiffeh ?
19.

Nosferatu

20. Annadog40 -

The Northwest Commonroom

Fixed list. What's the name of that hood?

[Mahonster]

Yeah Ozgin's reads don't sit well with me. Need more time and game to be sure of anything though.

Why, exactly?

A few are just not what I expected, which possibly means purposeful dodging of accusing people. You know, that thing scum do.

[Mahonster]

rip, Salamence was not on that list for some reason.

21. Salamance 20 ?

[Mahonster]

The real fixed list.

Known Neighborhoods

Spoiler:

1. Skybird -

The Northwest Commonroom

2. T S O -

Unknown Hood 1

3. Ika ?
4.

Silverwolf

5. Shinobi

Unknown Hood 2

6. Boonskiies

Unknown Hood 2

7. Wake88 ?
8. Ozgin ?
9. Texcat ?
10. Kop ?
11. Fro99er -

The Northwest Commonroom

12.

Lapsa

13.

GrayFoxxxx

14.

Mahonster

15. Quaroath ?
16. Creede73 -

Unknown Hood 1

17. RedFF -

Unknown Hood 1

18. Spiffeh

Unknown Hood 2

19.

Nosferatu

20. Annadog40 -

The Northwest Commonroom

21. Salamance20 ?

[Mahonster]

Ok yeah Ozgin looks pretty bad right now. I've never been in an actual scumgame of his past though.

What are the chances that he's playing us?

[Mahonster]

Also, Ozgin has not made one mention of neighborhoods this whole game.

Hmmmm. @Ozgin would you like to confirm or deny that you are in a neighborhood?

[Mahonster]

Mahonster scum: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... ct[]=26028

Mahonster town: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... ct[]=26028

Both these games are very recent. To me it looks like he was much more involved in his scum game. I do know we had problems with him in that town game because he didn't say much D1 or have much of an opinion but ended up contributing later.

Quaroath was scum in that second game as well.

@Quaroath and Ozgin-do you think mah is similar to his town play from the game he was in with us-yeah, I know you were the mod Ozgin but still interested in your input?

Also consider than my lack of contribution in the town game was because I had the scum game going on at the same time, until near the end of the town game where I contributed more.

And Shinobi, my reasons for thinking Ozgin was looking bad were pretty much pointed out by a lot of people, and sheeped by me. The fact that Oz is not in a neighborhood though and his claim makes me think town now. He tried to not be obvtown and get NKd, but failed at not appearing too scummy. The middle is desired.

[Mahonster]

At this point I am willing to lynch Grayfoxxxx or Annadog today.

I would really like to see Anna engage and put up some content soon. Maybe a vote will encourage her.

VOTE: Anna

+1 on the lynching part. Would rather see Anna flip though.

[Mahonster]

That's L-4 I believe.

[Mahonster]

VOTE: Mahonster

Lol quality discussion.

[Mahonster]

Ok so everybody just replace out that's cool.

Grayfoxx is OBVTOWN, let's just get rid of that wagon now.

Can we please lynch Anna? I would be so much happier with that.

No time left, wagon Anna go go go.

[Mahonster]

Silver it's cool, I'm really not finding myself particularly liking the thoughts of fire and gm.

You're good.

[Mahonster]

Ugh fuck me. Gray was obvtown and we should have gone for another scum candidate in a neighborhood.

[Mahonster]

Hot damn.

4 town bites the dust already. Wow that's bad.

Does this mean multiball for sure? Sk?

And that neighborhood wipe was possibly a really bad play. I'll look at that later.

[Mahonster]

If I had to vig someone right now it would probably be Mahonster. Curious gut feeling.

Here's my case:
Don't do that.
That's also like lynching without a claim anyway.

What I don't understand is, if you are what you're implying you are, why you won't claim.

Vote: Mahon

Can you talk to me about your vote and your read on me?
Everything I've read of you mentioning me just says I'm scum, but not why.
Let's be productive with this, not just wanting a lynch.

VOTE: RedFF

Fuck it. I've been suspecting him all game. I have every reason to believe he's scum.

TSO can shoot Mah or Qua tonight. Quite frankly, one of those has to be scum. I mean, I can't get any good scumreads off the active people and I'm slowly figuring out other reads via my role. These two I don't have a clue on and they should not survive to endgame if they continue to play like this anyway.

Late game is probably my best game Silver, there's a whole lot going on with this many players early game.

Also, I'm confused. TSO is claimed survivor but also has NK ability? What? Somebody please tell me.

[Mahonster]

Oh, so TSO is confSK?

[Mahonster]

Oh, so TSO is confSK?

he said he was a serial killer, that's not the same as it being confirmed

Right, but scum would have little use of just claiming SK and being leashed right?

I don't see why we haven't lynched TSO yet.
At the rate this is going, the less deaths we have the better.
Just a few more town lives could cost the game.

And what if TSO is bluffing on being leashed? 3 more town dead tonight? At this point he really just gets to choose to help town or help scum, not himself.
Are there two scum groups and SK? Or was one kill a vig kill?

[Mahonster]

mah is super scummeh, I'd vote that shit 2nd adfterr Red

no offense mah, I lkie you otherwise but scum is scum

Thing is I ain't no scum.

Quaroath what specific things about my play remind me of you?
IIRC, the reason I thought you were scum in Zed's was mainly because of your read placements. Everything after that just snowballed with the way you interacted with certain people, and how you reacted to any assault.

[Mahonster]

TSO, sum up in one or two sentences exactly why you want to live under the guise of town please.

You've already lost. Surely your only hope is to live long enough to somehow achieve WC once town is screwed?

And yeah Quaroath, my thing with the neighborhoods is kind of shaken up now. I'll analyze it more soon enough.

Also, neighbor is not part of a person's role when they die? So we have no confirmation that people who die were in one or not?

[Mahonster]

Makes sense like that. (that was 3 sentences though >.>)

Ok, so yeah I'm going to think about my next vote for just a little bit.
TSO should live for now, now I see how there could be some real benefits. We just need to really discuss the vig choices.

For now,
VOTE: RedFF

[Mahonster]

Known Neighborhoods

Spoiler:

1. Skybird -

The Northwest Commonroom

2. T S O -

Unknown Hood 1

(Claimed SK)
3. Ika ?
4.

Silverwolf

5. Shinobi

Unknown Hood 2

6. Boonskiies

Unknown Hood 2

(Dead Town)

7. Wake88 ?

(Dead Town)

8.

Ozgin

9. Texcat ?
10. Kop ?
11. Fro99er -

The Northwest Commonroom

12.

Lapsa

13.

GrayFoxxxx

14.

Mahonster

15.

Quaroath

16. Firebringer -

Unknown Hood 1

17. RedFF -

Unknown Hood 1

18. Spiffeh

Unknown Hood 2

(Dead Town)

19.

Nosferatu

20. Annadog40 -

The Northwest Commonroom

21. Goodmorning ?

Can I get the names of those neighborhoods? I'm assuming Penthouse is the one not stated yet.
Also, I just realized something important I think..

[Mahonster]

Known Neighborhoods

The Northwest Commonroom

Skybird
Fro99er
Annadog40

Orchad Hall

T S O
Firebringer
RedFF

Southwest Corridors

Shinobi
Boonskiies

(Dead Town)

Spiffeh

(Dead Town)

[Mahonster]

she shouldn't have said something if she didn't want to be asked about it

It's only the Anti-town that continue to ask questions about things like that.

Congrats I still have my vote on you.

[Mahonster]

TSO, I think your neighborhood might be all scum rn.

[Mahonster]

I'm not going to go into that.

[Mahonster]

It would be anti-town.

Anyway, red lynch is the best option not only for helping prove my idea, but also just in general.

[Mahonster]

Red, I didn't contradict myself.

What I meant was that I needed to think about who I'm voting for today.
However in the meantime, I am voting you. We'll see if that changes, with recent activity it probably won't.

[Mahonster]

Your 2353 doesn't sit well with me. It looks like OMGUS and feels like Ad Hominem.
Diverting from scumhunting aka "Just going for the already confscum and nothing else". TSO isn't the only thing that exists today. Let's get past just him.
Usually when people attack me and they only put up bad reasons like "lol minor contradiction in this post, that's it!", that only confirms for me that they're scum and that I should look further into them.

TSO is going to play to his wincon until hes dead.

he is either mafia or sk

i am actually inclined to say he us mafia and we have multiball tbh, because of the way he claimed survivor before full claiming sk to our hood, which seemed very manipulative. also the way he led the lynch on gray, a useless player and an easy lynch, seems more scum motivated than the play of a serial killer.

if firebringer had investigated him and gotten the result serial killer then this would be a different conversation.

there is no way to know unless we lynch tso

You seem pretty determined on getting TSO lynched. I used to be in the same boat sure, but that's used to. Have you even read any of the discussion about him beyond the SK claim? Also I don't know if this has

crossed your mind

at all, but scum would probably want what is essentially a town-vig gone.

And I've changed my mind on TSOs hood being all scum. I forgot about the Firebringer claim. It doesn't go exactly with the thought I had about your hood earlier, but there's actually every chance you are part of a hood that is Cop/SK/Scum. I would call that likely right now.

she shouldn't have said something if she didn't want to be asked about it

And this. You and Shinobi both on this.
You apparently missed the entire point of the "just trust me part". It's not supposed to be discussed because hey guess what that's anti-town.

[Mahonster]

You apparently missed the entire point of the "just trust me part". It's not supposed to be discussed because hey guess what that's anti-town.

No, that's not how this game works. You don't get to not explain your reads and call people out for asking you why by saying "that's anti-town."

No, there can definitely be anti-town discussion based around some reads

occasionally

.
The difference there is if I were to claim anti-town regularly and not explain my reads. Which I haven't.

I'm not saying that we shouldn't discuss, there just becomes a point where people want to avoid accidentally edging for a softclaim or information outing.

-Mahonster-your recent posts confuse me, you are kind of all over the place

Yeah, that's pretty normal.

[Mahonster]

Isn't #1968 a classic scum tell?

I thought about that, but posted anyway. I am by no means classic on this site.

lol @ people listening to the confirmed not town

Still haven't gotten past this.

[Mahonster]

Ok cool, I don't see how it does.

GM that's not explaining your read.

[Mahonster]

With that logic, when I'm scum I call out people for that specific thing just like you did. Therefore you're scum.

[Mahonster]

You know what else has been asked like 50 times? The scum read of me.

Also, don't vig me. If a town player kills me tonight then I hope you come back and look at this post because I told you.

Plus aren't we missing the even night vig? So no town does not have a vig every night if TSO is lynched.

[Mahonster]

Ok if somebody decides to vig me tonight, please ask for reads before that. I'd really like my death to not be completely pointless.

Sorry, school started for me today. I'll start being busy, doesn't mean I won't participate and try in here though.

[Mahonster]

And BTW, I am 100% for lynching red and confident that he is scum.

[Mahonster]

I'd rather hear from TSO what he's going with first

[Mahonster]

Neighborhoods
1.) 2 PR 1 Town
2.) 2 Scum 1 PR
3.) ???

[Mahonster]

Just don't let him get killed by town.

[Mahonster]

I'll start off with a vote on

VOTE: Mahonster. They seem more focused on the neighborhoods then they are on the scum.

Hmmm. Maybe it's because neighborhoods can have patterns of which alignment is in them.
And when you know the pattern you know the scum?

It looks like there might not be a pattern anyway though.

[Mahonster]

Firebringer results?

Also interesting that Fire isn't dead yet.. Scum hoping for godfather hit?

[Mahonster]

6 town bites the dust already. Wow that's bad.

VOTE: TSO

toplol

[Mahonster]

Ok, in the future I'll just not comment on flips.

Scum hoping for godfather hit?

you think there is two of them?

Two godfathers? Same team or different?

[Mahonster]

Two godfathers? Same team or different?

each

I mean I guess it's possible?

Although now that I think about it, that's bad motivation for scum right? They wouldn't want to be conftown because the other scum team might kill off the conftown and leave the lynch bait.

VOTE: Ozgin

[Mahonster]

Fire, you might want to say it by the end of the day though - for fear of your NK

[Mahonster]

Updated List:

Known Neighborhoods

The Northwest Commonroom

Skybird - ?
Fro99er - ?
Annadog40 - ?

Orchard Hall

T S O -

(Dead Mafia Goon)

Firebringer - Claimed Cop
RedFF -

(Dead Werewolf Ascetic)

Southwest Corridors

Shinobi

(Dead Town)

Boonskiies

(Dead Town PR)

Spiffeh

(Dead Town PR)

So it's really interesting that the northwest commonroom does not have any dead yet. Considering there is only 1 person alive in the other two hoods.
Thoughts on this list people?

What happened to the rivalry or whatever that was going on in that hood anyway?

Food queue reqs: Margarita Pizza, Salt and Vinegar Chips, white chocolate dip

[Mahonster]

Funny that Quaroath called me out on playing like Billi from our last game, because his play right now is the similar in some ways to that game too. When he was scum.

Lurking hard last couple of days.
If scum, likely werewolf from his push on red and I.
VOTE: Quaroath

Can everyone post a reads list please? In at least some detail?

[Mahonster]

Ok I'm not sure what I did to goodmorning to make him hate me for all of this game, and I guess that's definitely not changing too.

Quaroath you attacking me just now reminds me even more of your play, but it isn't inconsistent with the past 2 or 3 days really. I'm not sure what to think yet.

I'll put something together tonight. Making some lists, yo.

[Mahonster]

And it makes me feel bad ;(

[Mahonster]

Yeah um, before we do that can we:

Can everyone post a reads list please? In at least some detail?

?

[Mahonster]

And also, Quaroath the response you gave to my weak push on you was the exact one I expected scum Quaroath to give.

Point finger at Q.
Q says "TOTAL BULL, LOL LOOK AT THIS GUY".
Q points finger back.
Everyone just walks away.

I've seen this before.

[Mahonster]

I mean it's possible.. ^{*cough* multiball} _....maybe

[Mahonster]

Scum if you could kill each other and not town that'd be great thanks.

[Mahonster]

VOTE: Fro99er
I'm up for that.

And goodmorning please consider that you've never played with me before, and that for this entire game my play style has been what I consider pretty normal for myself.

[Mahonster]

And goodmorning please consider that you've never played with me before, and that for this entire game my play style has been what I consider pretty normal for myself.

1. Playstyle's not alignment-indicative.
2. If you know your meta, you can buck your meta.

1. Seems to have been for a lot of this game. Especially earlier. But I agree that meta is not a perfect tool for judgement. What I'm saying is that you don't know me so if I don't do things just like the way you want it, it doesn't mean I'm scum.
2. Yep. But this also raises the chances of slipping up and making tiny mistakes with whoever you interact with. Not easy and I've played all of two games. One as scum one as VT.


Lapsa I'm taking the fact that you're not dead yet as you being obvtown to the scum, and scum is wanting other team dead.
Hope you're actually town.

And everybody let's consider that Firebringer investigated someone a couple nights ago and received a town alignment result. I think it's likely that that person is me, because honestly investigating me seemed like a pretty good move considering that he considered multiball after TSO claimed SK, and I'm pretty strong lynch bait rn.

IF TSO is part of a multiball it is best to lynch now.
What is our second best option?

Look at this for example.

And this:

I don't know why Ozgin has not been lynched yet.
We are not lynching Mahonster people.
Move your vote to Ozgin now.

Crumbing, never went against me or directly in my favor despite GM and others mentioning that I will be lynched soon.
He never revealed who because he didn't want to conftown the guy, and the result wasn't under enough suspicion yet. (He hinted at his target possibly getting to L-1, not something you'd say if target was obvtown.)

sorry gm.

[Mahonster]

CAN I GET SOME READ LISTS PLS THANK

[Mahonster]

Scum if you could kill each other and not town that'd be great thanks.

The Scum say they have taken request this into consideration and will get back to you within 4-6 business days.

Aw man, that's like 10 weeks irl :/



ITT Aero is bored.

[Mahonster]

Ann what do you think about my last post?
Nos what do you think the current setup is?
What ever happened to the penthouse?

Lets talk about something people.

[Mahonster]

Same.

And oh my god this non-discussion is really awful.

[Mahonster]

He's not actually doing anything about the lack of activity though, just saying it sucks.

Anyone can do that.

Hell, anyone can effort a little to look Town in a dead game. idk why you'd think it would be alignment-indicative.

I posted 3 questions, and then came back over 28 hours later to 5 posts and only one of my questions had been mentioned.

At that point I would say it just sucks.

[Mahonster]

In fact it's still on this page over 50 hours later

[Mahonster]

I can see that.
First actual spark of things to discuss.

Skybird can you confirm?
Fro99er do you think it'd definitely possible that Kop could have invited a town read scum team player? (Possibly Sky)?

[Mahonster]

UNVOTE: Fro99er
VOTE: Kop

[Mahonster]

Lol this jokester.

And yeah I've just kind of assumed that Lapsa was town this game, I should stop doing that.

[Mahonster]

UNVOTE: Fro99er
VOTE: Kop

@Mahonster did you just sheep your scumread?

He was only my scum read because Nos, I forgot to unvote.

[Mahonster]

He was only my scum read because Nos, I forgot to unvote.

because Nos what?

post 2930, later Nos retracted that.

[Mahonster]

Something's not right here.
I'll have to check later.
UNVOTE: Kop

[Mahonster]

Ok this is starting to make me second guess myself.

I've actually haven't particularly enjoyed a lot of what gm has done this game.
I'll look into it, I'm ok with voting him for now.
VOTE: goodmorning

[Mahonster]

Ugh. Sky too.
At least you're being consistent.

[Mahonster]

Kop is neighborizer right?
Can someone explain to me why it's more logical for him as scum to invite town rather than scum in order to have day chat?
Even if he started with another town, he could simply just kill of the town and neighborize his buddies. There would be plenty of opportunity to invite a buddy D1 anyway.

[Mahonster]

Hmmm.
Frogger's placement of me being a on the mafia team seem really convenient doesn't it.
Not dealing with me yet, waiting for werewolf flip so that I'm thrown into suspicion as mafia next.
He's already thought about how Fire probably investigated me, so he put me as godfather.
HHMMMMMMMMMMmmmmmMMMmmMmmmmmmmm...

[Mahonster]

It's not only that. It's your insistence on a Red lynch when TSO had a guilty and you not being on the Ozgin wagon.

You are the most likely mafia candidate, and a godfather balances out the ascetic. You were all too happy to point out Fire's crumbs that he investigated you.

Ok those are all pretty viable points that I could definitely see where you're coming from on this, but no.
The days of TSO and Ozgin lynch lasted all of ten seconds each. I purposefully didn't vote them because I didn't want the day to end yet because you know, discussion is good.
But yeahhhhh that looks bad doesn't it.
And I don't see your point of godfather balancing out Ascetic? How?

Alright so town and werewolves need to team up to lynch the last mafia bc I don't want to deal with this suspicion again.

[Mahonster]

Thank you scum you finally did it yayyyyy.

3 town 1 werewolf I think, it's mylo.

Where did the third kill come from?

[Mahonster]

Ok gut says Kop but I'm not sure.

[Mahonster]

See THIS is exactly why I wanted read lists a couple days ago.

[Mahonster]

VOTE: Goodmorning

GROSS.

Thank you scum you finally did it yayyyyy.

3 town 1 werewolf I think, it's mylo.

Where did the third kill come from?

I think it's lylo so thinking about it I think the best bet to get anything is for a no Lynch.

VOTE: No Lynch

No lynch would only result in me or Anna being killed probably, as I think we're considered pretty town by now?

I didn't invite anyone.

Why wouldn't you?

Don't know for sure who I am inviting in.

You're right Nos, it literally just looks like he's trying to screw with us. Don't like these posts.

Kop, do you even care about winning?

[Mahonster]

VT.

[Mahonster]

Test successful.

[Mahonster]

Test successful.

No lynch would only result in me or Anna being killed probably, as I think we're considered pretty town by now?

Why would you be killed over me?

I didn't say I would. I said it would likely be one of us bc Kop was going for Nos and Nos for Kop. And Idk about you guys but I thought it was obvious that I was pretty town.

@Mahon why didn't you vote Kop here?

Because that would be L-1 and if Anna is scum then gg.

Ok, Nos as been at "L-1" for like over a day now and guess what if I was scum I would have lynched him and won by now. Cmon guys.

[Mahonster]

OH WHAAAAAAT nvm.
I thought Kop was voting for Nos and not no lynch.
I suck. Ignore me.

[Mahonster]

Yeah that's true, I mostly forgot about the vig but I had a faint recollection that anna was a claimed PR. Totally explains the 3 kills woo go me I'm so smart. I'm up for voting Kop then.
VOTE: Kop

[Mahonster]

You seriously can't blame me for being careful Nos.

[Mahonster]

I am able to hammer you at this point Mah. What makes you town?

My 3161 pointed out the basics of my suspicion of Kop. I didn't vote him because that would have made it L-1 with you.
Like I said I kind of forgot that you were vig, so I was being careful and not putting anyone to L-1 yet because scum would just auto vote and win at that point.

That's why I remember I was pretty confused about this post too:

No lynch would only result in me or Anna being killed probably, as I think we're considered pretty town by now?

Why would you be killed over me?

Because idk I guess I just thought that you all thought I was town.
Apparently definitely not.
Now you're very obviously conftown though.

Kop is over simplifying my posts though. He says about me that "He is trying to look pro town because he thinks he is almost confirmed town when he isn't", but I definitely never said that there was no way I was scum or conftown.
The main two reasons I thought I appeared town was because of 1) Fire's probably town result of me, and 2) Fro99er's 3110 called me out on being Mafia Godfather, and this was the major suspicion of me at the time. Please go read that post from Fro99er's perspective of me being a VT (Because he didn't want me lynched yet being a god father, it was just a thing for later because he needed wolves dead).

If you guys think that's stupid of me then so be it but ok.
I'm now voting Kop because of the same reasons for earlier, and he seemed super happy voting me.

[Mahonster]

Yeah I've been lynch bait waiting just behind the curtain for the entire game.
Point is that now it really counts because if I'm lynched today then we lose.

I'm obviously very far from perfect at my town game, I'm kind of new to this site's mafia, and nobody alive and few people dead have played with me before. My play style as town is probably different than what people would expect judging from my past two games.

But Anna your last post has to be the main idea. Look at the relationships between (Me Lapsa Red) vs (Kop Lapsa Red) throughout the game. That's normally what I'm really good at, is relationships and mapping out how people interact with each other, but I've failed at a lot of things.

I really apologize about my part of this game because I have been extremely busy staying on top of school, and I expected to have more time available to analyze and dive in to discussions. Unfortunately though that's been pretty difficult.

Kop has to be it, look at all of the things that add up. Him and Lapsa voting together yesterday, me vs red, Aero wanting to possibly use a scum neighborizer etc.

Also, go look at Lapsa's iso. Ctrl+F the word "hood" and see how many times he mentions that he's not in a hood. "Still not in a hood -_-" pretty frequently. Daylight crumbing that he wants Kop to invite him in.

[Mahonster]

He mentions that he's information deprived etc not being in a hood in 3 separate posts. In 3009he directly asks Kop why he didn't hood anyone N4.

Although, wouldn't they just say this in Night chat? Lapsa trying to scrub off a connection? Forgot to say it? I'm not really sure.

[Mahonster]

I'm all for night kill analysis go for it.

[Mahonster]

Before I switch my vote, I really wanna hear from Mah and Kop.

What do you want to hear?

In regards to Quaroath, a lot of my warring on him was probably because the last game we had together he was scum, and I had a thing out for him, and he tried to get me lynched too.
This game kind of reminded me of that other one in some ways, but it turns out we're both VTs.

I don't think my pointing towards Kop is a stretch. The points are there it's just that it has been impossible for me to go into any depth within them. He was town read for the majority of the game, but now the entire game has been played out and there's only one scum left to be determined from what all of the dead players did. It's Kop that seems like the most likely to me, being townread earlier doesn't mean town.