NY 187: Pariah's Mafia [/FIN]

[Garmr]

VOTE: Ronit

Care to explain?
Gamr quote where DS was scummy, seeing as you made the best case in the game it shouldnt be that hard.

How about you actually iso me and look.

[Garmr]

That makes me want to lynch you more

Because your argument about me being a noob just crumbled?? I do this test in nearly every game I play in. Couldn't do it in my first one as I replaced into the last day of the game but this is my 3rd game, I am currently in 2 games.

And yet STILL have failed to provide any actual logic and conclusions other than a naked shizam is town statement or addressed the long list of grievances that I posted to shizam about how this 'test' is BS.

Your "long list of grievances" relied on oversimplification of the situation to question the reliability of the test. I was in fact the only one to whom his particular logic applied, and it made me look town to him, and made nobody look scum to him. That is reasonable considering the actual logic he is using. I have played on epicmafia before, and I know how these reaction tests tend to work there. ronit's story about what he was doing is 100% believable now that he has specifically brought up that site.

How would that sort of shit ever work. Reaction test need to milk out information that scum would only know which normally requires you to be a power role yourself. What ronit did was worthless and if epicmafia has been using reaction test as common place then I would think the people on it would come up with a better ones that at least make sense other wise if they are like ronits then it would create a useless environment for scum hunting where scum may end up being town read for reacting to a faulty test.

[Garmr]

So basically your gut feeling got yah.

[Garmr]

I really can't wait for the flip I want to stroke my ego on that scum flip.

[Garmr]

I feel like aeronaut is scum I don't know why.

[Garmr]

Ok lets try this from a new angle
People I know are town-
Me
People who I feel are town
Titus
Blue waffle-maybe a sk still with his power role scum need to be shooting him soon anyway.
ank- feels like his you could be anyone 2&3

I feel like
Aero
Kitty
Faq2

Are pretty good candidates for scum.

In fact

VOTE: KittyGalore

[Garmr]

Odd night SK with multiple scumteams? No.

Comment on Hermit please.

Sk pretending to be odd night is possible if he has a bullet proof modifier.

[Garmr]

maybe that's something only I would do.

[Garmr]

Too risky IMO. Thoughts on Hermit please?

I been know to take risks. That slot can die I am up for that lynch.

I wonder why myself or Garmr didn't die. I'm also wondering why there was only two kills.

I wish I hadn't got so fucking annoyed at start of D2.

I'll probably die after a couple of scum have dropped. Scum team a(daves) Need to kill the other scum to = the field scum team B need to kill scum team a to have breathing room.

I could get behind kitty. She hasn't done a lot.

I don't think I could get behind BBT, though. I actually do see the Odd-night vig claim as plausible, but I feel like he would have said Odd-night to begin with if he were lying. I sort of wonder why he'd still be alive, though at this point.

Garmr what do you think of Key? I feel like he was really prominent and talkative early on and now he's basically nowhere.

Bit suspicious was going to wait a little longer to see what he does.

Ok lets try this from a new angle
People I know are town-
Me
People who I feel are town
Titus
Blue waffle-maybe a sk still with his power role scum need to be shooting him soon anyway.
ank- feels like his you could be anyone 2&3

I feel like
Aero
Kitty
Faq2

Are pretty good candidates for scum. In fact

VOTE: KittyGalore

Can I be added to your town list?
I will be your best friend

No but seriously, why Kitty?

Kitty attacking DS day 1 wagon early is a trait shared with dave
Her staying away from the two wagons day 2 (me and dave) is a pretty good indicator she didn't want to be on any of the lynches. Espically since she had a scum read on me which makes me think she knew I was going to flip town and she didn't want the negative attention on her for tipping the scales towards me.

[Garmr]

@BBT in fairness I forgot too.

Forgot about what?

Bulb's crumb.

I'll probably die after a couple of scum have dropped. Scum team a(daves) Need to kill the other scum to = the field scum team B need to kill scum team a to have breathing room.

Why are you assuming it's two scum teams?

Because scum had a cop role why wouldn't I.

[Garmr]

@bbt I can go for a aero lynch as well

[Garmr]

Bit suspicious was going to wait a little longer to see what he does.

Ok lets try this from a new angle
People I know are town-
Me
People who I feel are town
Titus
Blue waffle-maybe a sk still with his power role scum need to be shooting him soon anyway.
ank- feels like his you could be anyone 2&3

I feel like
Aero
Kitty
Faq2

Are pretty good candidates for scum. In fact

VOTE: KittyGalore

Can I be added to your town list?
I will be your best friend

No but seriously, why Kitty?

Kitty attacking DS day 1 wagon early is a trait shared with dave
Her staying away from the two wagons day 2 (me and dave) is a pretty good indicator she didn't want to be on any of the lynches. Espically since she had a scum read on me which makes me think she knew I was going to flip town and she didn't want the negative attention on her for tipping the scales towards me.

That is terrible. DS was town? I was attacking a wagon on town. Lol
Also, I explained why I joined neither wagon. I didn't like the people on the wagons and I didn't feel confident enough to make a vote on either one. Nice try though.

Well, apparently I suck this game.

I do have to wonder why BBT is still alive though.

I am thinking that may be the point of him still being alive.

But...

@BBT-why did you vig kill Bulbs?

Tried to fix kittys formatting here but this is simple.

I call her likely to be scum she goes off and calls me suspicious which I think is her counter reaction to being suspected.

you attacking the DS wagon may of been to try and gain town cred as you never did make a good case as to why dragon was town and only said it to gain town cred.

You didn't like the people on the wagons of a scum read and null read coming to the end of the day when your vote was defiantly not going to be lynched where is the town logic in that. If you were town You should of pushed the lynch to what you thought was scum and placed your vote on me day 2. Not liking people on two wagons you don't have town reads on is a pathetic excuse I would expect out a newbie game.

It would make sense if your were hesitant to if you were scum seeing the support for a dave wagon the easiest option would to be vote neither as there's a chance your scum buddy dave might survive and if he dies latter on they won't be pinning you for pushing the votes over my side of the spectrum. There's plenty of scum motive here.
Her reasoning

[Garmr]

Ok I didn't realize those were my words my bad.

My points still pretty much stand even with the misunderstanding of one line.

[Garmr]

@my tip for town or scum is to just point out every thing you see maybe chuck out a case that is null and see how the person reacts

[Garmr]

@fire bringer

[Garmr]

Also is it bad I think the D's slot lynch was beneficial to town

[Garmr]

Adding Garmr to my scum list. Not because he is voting or accusing me. Mostly for trying to make the argument that I didn't vote him because I "knew he would flip town". Actually I was scum reading him more and town reading Dave more. I was wrong, and I was surprised. I was leaning the opposite of the people on the wagons. I am not, and was never certain he would flip town.

So Boon, you gonna play this game or not?

And I have been feeling Aero scummy for awhile now, that train had lost steam.

VOTE: Aeronaut

So basically omgus scum read

[Garmr]

Oh by the way, with a possible secret vote, my vote may be L-1 for Aero?

Adding Garmr to my scum list.

This implies switching to a scum read meaning you weren't reading me as scum before.

[Garmr]

I have posted questions and just got one of them answered, thanks Bulba. I only asked since you seemed ultra defensive, but were calling defensiveness scummy.

Aero, whare are ya?

I didn't vote at all, secret or otherwise. I came back to vote and all of a sudden it is night, as I explained before. I know nothing of any hidden mechanics.

I realize I have been coasting, yeah I am playing the newbie card, but I am, so there is that.

Here is a bare read list.

RC-null
Boonskies- lean scum
Swordmaster/Titus- lean scum
Aeronaut- lean scum
Bulbazoor- lean town
Kop- lean scum
dragonspawn- did lean town- more null
FA_Q2 -lean scum
Shazam- lean town
TheDominator37 Bellaphant- lean town

Garmr -lean scum

TheCow lean scum
davesaz -null
duppin - lean town
Keyser Söze -lean town
BlueBloodedToffee -lean scum

I think a BBT lynch would answer a lot of questions. I think he is scum, and in the slim chance he is town, it will give us more direction. He has had a good amount of interactions with other players, not me so much. I have a feeling that is about to change.

VOTE: BBT

Just a reminder.

Scum = Aero, Titus, Boon....somewhere in there.

I wasn't clear, you are right. I meant I was adding you to here.

Yes I was aware at that point you were scum reading me your saying now that you always scum read me constantly and never stopped or put me back to null. But to you posted this

Adding Garmr to my scum list.

When i said you were omgusing your excuse was I was always scum reading you. Adding me to the scum list implies you have had doubts and put me to null at that stage.

Are you seeing what I am saying here. You have put a giant ass contradiction in what you are saying.

You were either
Scum reading me the whole time
or
Scum reading me and then had a few doubts then went back to scum reading me.

So instead of flowing naturally as a townie would you are worried about your appearance so your finding excuses as to why it was not a omgus. Thus contradicting what you were saying earlier.

[Garmr]

The point is you're jumping from one story to the next to try and look better.

[Garmr]

I think boons talking about aero being L-1 because of the hidden vote.

[Garmr]

Again Garmr, site me where I have town read you. Please.

I actually dgaf what people think, I'm just saying what I like and don't like. Scum likes to make a big deal out of small misunderstandings. This is what we have here. If you can get me lynched for it, be my guest. I explained which "scum" list I was talking about, the one that I posted off the top of my head. The one where I name three people I'm suspicious of, but you are saying that means I'm town reading everyone else?

@Titus-I thought that was obviously sarcasm. I will tag it next time./sarcasm


@ Aero-Because I like your posts better. You are back in the game and scum hunting. I like the questions you are asking. I don't see a reason for you to be at L-1 at the moment. Just in case you were.

You really are a special type of person aren't you. I never said you town read me I'm saying you used two different type of languages that contradict each other meaning that one of them is a lie. Town had no reason to lie in that position. Now your just playing it off as I never said I town read you when that's not even the point.

[Garmr]

Again Garmr, site me where I have town read you. Please.

I actually dgaf what people think, I'm just saying what I like and don't like. Scum likes to make a big deal out of small misunderstandings. This is what we have here. If you can get me lynched for it, be my guest. I explained which "scum" list I was talking about, the one that I posted off the top of my head. The one where I name three people I'm suspicious of, but you are saying that means I'm town reading everyone else?

@Titus-I thought that was obviously sarcasm. I will tag it next time./sarcasm


@ Aero-Because I like your posts better. You are back in the game and scum hunting. I like the questions you are asking. I don't see a reason for you to be at L-1 at the moment. Just in case you were.

You really are a special type of person aren't you. I never said you town read me I'm saying you used two different type of languages that contradict each other meaning that one of them is a lie. Town had no reason to lie in that position. Now your just playing it off

with the

"I never said I town read you thing" when that's not even the point.

Fixxed

[Garmr]

Kitty's spike in activity when accused is extremely troubling

[Garmr]

What makes it not null?

The fact its when she's brought into the spotlight. She showed barely any initiative the previous days.

[Garmr]

@ Garmr -Yeah, the game was a little over whelming and daunting. That's why I really focused on a few things that bothered me. I have been playing 3 games, one off site and another here. This is the only one I have going atm. Plus, busy with RL...kids, school. If anyone really cares.

Anyway, this is getting fun. It's adorable that you see me as such a threat because I added you to my short list for scum. Are you trying to say I'm lying about how many varied scum lists I have going on in my head? I don't even see that as possible. But if you don't have anything better to do, it's cool.

You are reaching with a weak case, cutie.

Provide more content instead of being defencive and covering your ass. You know what im meaning and your trying to weasel your way out by trying to change the context. Whats also funny is your trying to get me emotional.

[Garmr]

So I lookless credible

[Garmr]

What makes it not null?

The fact its when she's brought into the spotlight. She showed barely any initiative the previous days.

Yeah, that's exactly what's null about it.

so what do you think kitty

[Garmr]

idk

I think we'd have to engage on something for me to get a particular read on her.

Do just do it

[Garmr]

idk

I think we'd have to engage on something for me to get a particular read on her.

What's your opion of her language she brought up did you get what I meant. I'm wondering if I wasn't clear or she's just acting dumb

[Garmr]

I have no idea what you're even talking about.

You should start reading then 1959 basically kitty says she's adding me to her scum list after I scum read her. Then she said she was always scum read me so it wasn't omgus. So she has slipped because if she was already scum reading me what's the point of saying I'm adding you to my scum list like it some sort of threat for scum reading her

[Garmr]

Where did she say she's always scumread you Garmr? Like which post?

1952 I think

[Garmr]

That was her answer to when I said she was omgussing

[Garmr]

Even if it is different it still doesn't change the fact it wasn't a satisfactory answer to my accusation and comes off as really defensive

[Garmr]

So do you think "where did I ever say I town read you" to my claim of omgus

[Garmr]

Any way you put it she isn't being completely honest with her reads.

[Garmr]

I scum read you and added too to my short list of scum. That isn't honest? What is so hard to understand?

Why didn't you say that earlier instead you let me go on. If you could see what I was thinking why didn't you correct me.

[Garmr]

Also I don't care how you read me kitty it obvious I'm town to the competent players.

[Garmr]

What about fire?

[Garmr]

@BLUE I wanted to push kitty before layed down a vote on aero.

[Garmr]

I scum read you and added too to my short list of scum. That isn't honest? What is so hard to understand?

Why didn't you say that earlier instead you let me go on. If you could see what I was thinking why didn't you correct me.

I did. See below.
And in another post also, I believe.

I have posted questions and just got one of them answered, thanks Bulba. I only asked since you seemed ultra defensive, but were calling defensiveness scummy.

Aero, whare are ya?

I didn't vote at all, secret or otherwise. I came back to vote and all of a sudden it is night, as I explained before. I know nothing of any hidden mechanics.

I realize I have been coasting, yeah I am playing the newbie card, but I am, so there is that.

Here is a bare read list.

RC-null
Boonskies- lean scum
Swordmaster/Titus- lean scum
Aeronaut- lean scum
Bulbazoor- lean town
Kop- lean scum
dragonspawn- did lean town- more null
FA_Q2 -lean scum
Shazam- lean town
TheDominator37 Bellaphant- lean town

Garmr -lean scum

TheCow lean scum
davesaz -null
duppin - lean town
Keyser Söze -lean town
BlueBloodedToffee -lean scum

I think a BBT lynch would answer a lot of questions. I think he is scum, and in the slim chance he is town, it will give us more direction. He has had a good amount of interactions with other players, not me so much. I have a feeling that is about to change.

VOTE: BBT

Just a reminder.

Scum = Aero, Titus, Boon....somewhere in there.

I wasn't clear, you are right. I meant I was adding you to here.

Also I don't care how you read me kitty it obvious I'm town to the competent players.

I'm not the one who is tunneling a townie.

That wasn't a detailed way to correct me as I just got the wrong idea. What you needed to say was you just added me to the short list instead of that post. Besides from another point of view I was competent enough to draw out a scum member with my behavior and lynch him, pick rc out as town and figure out some of the game with practically no information.

Also towns going to be wrong some time. Like your scum read on me for example. Actually you should give a case on me instead of just calling me scum because I'm scum reading you over associations with davesaz and your place on the vote count.

Because not voting a scum read when it's time to choose between 2 wagons is scummy.

[Garmr]

Also saying "some of my scum reads were on the wagons" is a really bad excuse as there's a thing called bussing and multi scum was a really high possibility with 3 kills.

[Garmr]

Voting for me because of associations with Dave... it is stretching. I have no problem being questioned, but that isn't what you did. You spun a narrative. I was against the dragon wagon because to me he wasn't acting scummy. And he was town. I was pretty vocal about it, so giving me a hard time about being against the wagon on town is not great. And yes, scum reading you for it, is because it is bad, and adding the narrative is just so not pro town. Telling a story that fits what you want it to say, and hoping people won't go back and see what really happened. It is a scummy move IMO. I am guessing dave was against the wagon for town cred, I was doing it because I was town/null reading him, and had reason to. Then when you added all the scum narrative, well, just eww.

And I have already explained why I had not put a vote down between you and Dave. I was town leaning dave and scum leaning you, however, I looked at the wagons and not all, but some of the people I was leaning opposite on were on those wagons. I had not made a decision yet. If you see that as scummy, that's your opinion. Didn't that day end early too?

Your actions reminded me of my first game here where Nacho tunneled me mercilessly, so my claws were out, so to speak.

If you or anyone else would like to continue to discuss it, cool. Now I would like to get back to my refresh.

I do want to say, I am going to look at this fire thing. I thought it was a good case that floated into limbo. I want to try to figure out why that happened. I think there was another too.

How is it stretching when I just pointed out similarities between you two. Also you being quite vocal about ds being town early game is laughable with just two posts.

yea.

VOTE: Dragon

Clearly scum.

So I was supposed to think this was a serious vote?

So he omgus and you vote for me? And you guys don't offer any reasoning. Interesting. I'll have to make a note of that for later.

This ^ is what bothers me. A few votes into an RVS wagon and he's already guarded in this post.

So it's a serious vote for me. And it should be for you too.

OK, I missed this, so it IS serious. Why is this "being guarded"? It seems to me like he is just taking note of the behavior for later, not that he took it seriously as being against him at this time. I can see it looks defensive, but again, it feels like basic DS to me.

@Aeronaut- What is "clearly scum" about that post?

Saying omgus is defensive?

No, not really.

I thought about it and I shall make that wagon on that good old dragonspawn a little bigger (Too much rhymes FTW)

VOTE: dragonspawn

So, you were happy with your RVS like two posts before this. What makes you change your mind?

VOTE: sword master

Anyone who is called master has to be evil

VOTE: sword master

Anyone who is called master has to be evil

VOTE: Dragonspawn
Anyone who is called spawn is evil!
Confirm

I mean, I don't even think it was OMGUS, more like "you too". Though it wasn't saying OMGUS that the bandwagoners are latching onto, but the post after:

So he omgus and you vote for me? And you guys don't offer any reasoning. Interesting. I'll have to make a note of that for later.

The tone isn't really that defensive -- it actually sounds fairly relaxed -- though the meaning behind it is, in the end, defensive. At least, that's what it looks like, I think.

If my understanding of what OMGUS may or may not mean is incorrect, please, someone correct me.

It's not about the OMGUS mention at all, it's the post where he's like "Oh you're voting me and not providing reasoning in RVS? Better put that in my notes TSK TSK!"

Garmr is probably town. If he was scum hr would probably be bussing his partners right now.

What?

Defensive is your reaction to multiple RVs votes on yourself

Btw how can you make me being defensive the justification for your vote if you vote for me before the post that is supposedly defensive?

I mean it could be his justification for KEEPING his vote on you, but at the same time this is an interesting point.

I liked what the cow said about the DS thing.

@ Aero- concerning the bolded above, How is that alignment indicative? Is it lynch worthy?


I just didn't think any of the things DS did were lynch worthy, from my knowledge of him. I am a noob though, so what do I know?

This is the biggest game I have played, it is daunting. I have kept up with reading, but not able to post when I want to, this is why I am going back over stuff from the beginning.

Hey there, so in watching the dragon wagon show, I have a couple of thoughts. I like keysers and aeronauts analysis and questioning.

My opinion of dragons response is that it is not an OVER reaction, it is a dragon reaction. I have played with him before and it seems like a typical dragon response. I don't see it being alignment indicative. I think serious votes on the wagon are bad.

The reasoning ds is ds and being defensive isn't scummy. There's no ground breaking evidence that ds town here or you being quite vocal Lol. Also you even went back on ds being town latter on putting him in scum after he flailed enough day 2.

Also me spinning a narrative is pretty bad case, I'm explaining what I think happened and you can give your example of what you want to say if it is viable(which half of your excuses aren't) I will leave it alone but If your scummy for other reasons as well I will assume the scummy scenario over the town. This is my play style so you can lump it.

Your explanation of why you didn't vote between me or dave is bs as I looked at your scum list and there were your scum reads on both wagons with only i think 3-4 people off the wagons. Combing the chance of multi scum and the fact one of the wagons was a scum read of yours makes it seem entirely wrong.

All your doing now is crying about how I'm scum reading ou and putting you in a bad light and that makes me scum. Pfft pathetic.

[Garmr]

Endure it for a bit blue.

@kitty nacho was acting different that game and that's why he was caught. This is my normal play style not a town or scum thing so can you list a reason why I am scum other than it involving you since i have blown everyone of those out the water.

[Garmr]

Wow.. do you need to be so nasty?

It was cute before, but it's becoming just rude. If that's your play style idc, same gos for me, obviously you don't like it. I was just responding to you asking why I have been scum reading you. We may TvT here, but unless a wagon gets going on you, I am moving on. If you are so hot to lynch me, take your best shot. But I am gonna flip town, so please, continue your nastiness and tunneling, if that's what you want to do. I am done with it.

I apologize if if it comes across nasty not my intention but my claws are sunk in now I won't quite down.

[Garmr]

Quiet

[Garmr]

There's a Difference between trying to some up and accidentally demoralizing them.

[Garmr]

Trying to stir

[Garmr]

But let's move on from the previous stuff kitty and come back to that latter what's a reason before today when I scum read you as to why i am scum

[Garmr]

Can someone explain the case on fire bringer to me please?

[Garmr]

What's your read on me Titus, and why?

Kitty please tell me why you scum read me before today it will give me some incite into your character.

[Garmr]

That is chill I can focus on what the fire wagon is about

[Garmr]

VOTE: firebringer

[Garmr]

I still want kittys answer through so be nice if no one hammers before then.

[Garmr]

I feel fire .at slip up on his scum buddy/buddies

[Garmr]

Will slip up at one point*

[Garmr]

Was a fun game titus had me totally fooled this is the first time I seen her as scum play her town game. Then again it I assume she thought it was multiscum but either way good game all. I do regret not quick hammering aero when he was put to L-1 I had it typed in there but changed my mine.

[Garmr]

I had a feeling something was up when you were being nice to me your never nice to me aero.

[Garmr]

Oh man just realized that's another game the sk has won I never beat a sk I was hopping mafia or town would win to break the cycle .

[Garmr]

I had Aero pegged as SK for like 3 entire day phases, just didn't want to out it because it only helps scum. :/

As soon as aero reacted to the fact when i said the secret voter was obvious test I had him pegged as the secret voter. Didn't put him as the sk through.

[Garmr]

I think rc was obvious town this game was kinda weird how I picked up on it so early.

[Garmr]

@Garmr, you did call me 100% town though. That was surprising. Why did you?

In all the other games you have had a habit which I picked up on but in this game you didn't do it once so I assumed you were town I guess I still look deep into you even if you don't do your habit lol :p.

[Garmr]

Nah something else I noticed. I didn't even know about the vca thing.

[Garmr]

I guess if you look back in hindsight you can see that she was protective of her scum buddies as well which is another trait.

[Garmr]

Well I guess i just learned that the hard way pisskop