NY 189 - Flower Viewing Festival [~fin~]

[Bearbert D]

I see I'm at L-2 or something like that:/. I won't get around to reading the thread until tomorrow, but replacing in a 100+ game while being top suspect seems fun^_^. Can anybody summarize claims etc?

[Bearbert D]

I see one scum is down at least...

[Bearbert D]

Salamence20 (also being replaced), 1-Shot Vigilante;

EBWOP - 2-Shot Vigilante, both used.

Two vigs?

[Bearbert D]

VOTE: AxleGreaser

I'm really not impressed by your first post.

Also, Sakura and I agreeing on a point? The world must be ending.

This would make axle a less likely partner, no? I mean, it's kind of weird for your first post to be a serious vote on a partner

[Bearbert D]

Ok, good to know Ricastle's town.

I've read D1. And I think fro99er was bussing TN there. Didn't feel the interaction there was genuine. I'll probably make a case there sometime soon.

[Bearbert D]

I'm pretty confident both Echo and Axle are town

[Bearbert D]

lol, ok yeah Bearbert is scum. Leaving my vote there

Genius insight, fro99er!

[Bearbert D]

Firebringer is 100% scum. He didn't even bother to explain why he targetted Shiro(+ if he's town he knows Sakura is scum so why isn't he voting her).

I'll let the case on fro99er after we lynch firebringer. Main points would be his unexplained read on TN, the way he looked for a distraction so he could loose focus from tn and the way he unvoted tn instead of pushing her. This is just from D1

[Bearbert D]

VOTE: Firebringer

[Bearbert D]

[]Fro99er is town. I think. I liked the way he went for Firebringer immediatly after lynching tn. Don't think that's scum. My whole case was confirmation bias:/( if you still want to read it, no, I won't spend one hour on writing something I don't believe in)
VOTE: Davsto


2740's first line is fake as fuck. Davsto+ Shazam? Would explain that weird ass town read from Shazam onto Davsto that I don't think he explained

[Bearbert D]

You'd have to be the worst town Doctor of all time to protect Fire N3.

The only player I can see roleblocking Sala after he claimed 1-shot would be Pisskop. In the case of a scum Doc, I find it quite unlikely that town has a gunsmith, a 2-shot vig, a tracker, a commuter and three masons while scum is stuck with a Doctor and 1 potential other. Therefore, he's the best vote.

Than you have bad imagination. Most scum would havs roleblocked Sala there.

Umm, 3 masons? I presume you don't want the other one to claim no, so I won't question anythinh here(but it may have been a better idea not to reveal this though?).

All I can defend myself with is look at my interaction with firebringer on last day. After Sakura claimed the role, he said something like "why focus on me, focus on Bearbert". I think if I was his partner, he'd have at least tried to interact with me there, not this. But I don't know how competent firebringer is as scum(I'd guess not much):P. Shittiest defence ever, I know. At least I won't pull the "look how I voted Fire immediatly" because that'd be silly since I'd do it as scum obviously

[Bearbert D]

Having a big analyzis proving I'm scum based on the way Pisskop voted is.... I mean it's fair since the alligment didn't change after the replacement(and I agree Pisskop was kinda scummy, but he still had some omgtown posts)

Echo, I'm ok with you voting me based on vote analyzis even if most of it is wrong. But giving Davsto town points because he can't be partmered with me is tge most fucking idiotic thing I've seen since I've been playing mafia. You're wasting so much fucking time by assuming I'm scum and you'll see that when I'm flipped.

Just fucking lynch Davesto and after he flips scum I'm cleared(not completly, of course)

But wouldn't 5 scum be more balanced here? They get day talk yes, but town has so much firepower

[Bearbert D]

But wouldn't 5 scum be more balanced here? They get day talk yes, but town has so much firepower

Fire already scumslipped there are four scum. Why are you being so ignorant to it.

Because maybe he was trying to get town points for not knowing how many scum there were? Any number of explanations could work. It's not a clear cut scumslip. Also, why does it hurt town for us to hunt for one more killer?

[Bearbert D]

And whatever it was that made Sala's 2nd vig shot not work is a pretty powerful PR for scum...so 4 is most likely even without Fire's scumslip

Yeah, a mafia guard or doctor opposed to 3 masons, tracker and vig. Makes sense

[Bearbert D]

Why the fuck are you guys saying stuff like "if I flip scum, etc etc"? It helps absolutely fucking nobody if you invent a dream scenario with me scum. Don't look for my partner, look for that obvscum Davsto. I'm sure your analyzis will be something like :"Davsto is town" "Why?" "He can't be Bearbert's partner". "But Bearbert filpped town". "Shut up! Like I was saying, they can't be partners". That's how idiotic your annalyzis is here

[Bearbert D]

Why the fuck are you guys

who?

Fro99er, echo echo and davsto. But davsto is mainly coasting on the others


Yeah Davsto, if you town does something moronic it's ad hominem to call you on it, right? I'm not saying you're stupid, but I am saying you're scum. And neither are the othets stupid, just stupidly tunneled

[Bearbert D]

Fro99er, echo echo and davsto. But davsto is mainly coasting on the others

So as I think both Frogger and Davsto are scum what reason do you guess I would have for them doing something?

So there I solved 2 out of three of your problems.

If you think that, vote Davsto with me

[Bearbert D]

Fro99er is town. I think. I liked the way he went for Firebringer immediatly after lynching tn. Don't think that's scum.

Did you examine how much actual reasoning there was for that read/vote.
And if you liked the reasoning he gave please explain to me why you like it.


Then explain why this is then a good reason to stop voting the read.

VOTE: Flubber


I can confirm Shiro as town. Frogger is town, and Im willing to give Fire a day.

This is fair.

VOTE: Flubber

Flubber and Fire were my lynchpool for today anyway.

This obviously does look bad, but can happen for town. If you have two equal scumreads and one happens to be scum it's something else. But why not lynch Davsto today and think about frogger tomorrow.

[Bearbert D]

Yeah it looks bad and that is the reason you gave to town read him?

Please explain why you town read him again?

No, I gave the way he went after firebringer hard imediatly after lynching tn.

[Bearbert D]

quick hypothetical Axle, because when I flip town you won't know what to do.

Who is your scum team when I flip town?

Exact same question for you but a about me?

[Bearbert D]

Yeah it looks bad and that is the reason you gave to town read him?

Please explain why you town read him again?

No, I gave the way he went after firebringer hard imediatly after lynching tn.

but he DID NOT go after him.

He posted a rather lame push on him then jumped right off again.

Ok. That's not my recollection, but I'll reread

[Bearbert D]

Yeah it looks bad and that is the reason you gave to town read him?

Please explain why you town read him again?

No, I gave the way he went after firebringer hard imediatly after lynching tn.

but he DID NOT go after him.

He posted a rather lame push on him then jumped right off again.

Ok. That's not my recollection, but I'll reread

[Bearbert D]

VOTE: frogger

I'm so sick of this game.

This is pointless. Just vote Davsto

[Bearbert D]

Unofficial votecount.

Fro99er (3) - AxleGreaser, Ricastle, Shazam
Bearbert D (3) - Davsto, Echo Echo, Fro99er

Davsto (1) - Bearbert D
Shazam (1) - ika

Not voting (2) - Sakura Hana, Spiffeh

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

So notionally assuming BearBert would consolidate for survival at some point, one more vote on Fro99er and Ika may hammer.
or two more votes on BearBert and ika may hammer.

Why not Davsto? I seriously don't see any reason Davsto would be town

[Bearbert D]

I see reason Fro99er is scum

Did you ever go back and find me how you read that push from Fro99er on Fire as being more than window dressing? 2876

because that you have not done that and yet you want me to vote Davsto... or failing that explain why not to you...

is a quite small reason not to.

Will do at some point before lynch.

[Bearbert D]

Will do at some point before lynch.

Ok. That's not my recollection, but I'll reread

I'll let the case on fro99er after we lynch firebringer.

Why do you keep putting things off?

The lasr one is obvious. What is the point of me making a case on frogger when firebringer was 100% getting lynched?

And the other two are the same time. So you've got s legitimate point exacrly once. Tbh, it's laziness. Not being here when these actions happened makes the work of finding exavtly what you're asking me bothersome. If you link me the begining and the end of the interaction you want me to look at, I'll certsinly do

Or do you imply laziness is scummy in itself?


And you may be going to bed now, but so am I in less than 30 minutes. That's why I'm lazy btw, because I'm extremly tired

[Bearbert D]

The lasr one is obvious. What is the point of me making a case on frogger when firebringer was 100% getting lynched?

because you said the same thing WAY earlier before fire was even outed by Sakura

I said I will at some point(because a proper case takes at least three hours to write) and when I started writing it I noticed Sakura outed Firebringer

[Bearbert D]

And I've already posted the summary. Which from content alone is already as good as anything you've posted, frogger. It may not be right(as I believe now), but it's still more work

[Bearbert D]

Oh, so you're now changing your story from "The lasr one is obvious. What is the point of me making a case on frogger when firebringer was 100% getting lynched?" to

I said I will at some point(because a proper case takes at least three hours to write) and when I started writing it I noticed Sakura outed Firebringer

I forgot I said that before you reminded me. Sue me

[Bearbert D]

You can do whatever the fuck you want if we lynch Davsto. Why the fuck do you prefer to be lynched yourself before Davsto, frogger? Because Davsto has some actually good role for scum?

[Bearbert D]

It may not be right(as I believe now), but it's still more work

You're full of complete horse shit if you think I haven't done any work

Saying x is scum isn't work though. You may have done some VCA's I forgot about becsuse they were full of bullshit

[Bearbert D]

Oh, so you're scum reading me again?

I have no fucking clue how town could refuse to lynch Davsto here, so yes, I'm leaning on this a bit. I'll still rethink. Which I suggest you do also. But rethinking implies thinking before which I doubt you've done

[Bearbert D]

Well, lynching Shazam now would be brilliant. I'm certainly down for it. And I feel it's the only wagon we'd all agree upon

[Bearbert D]

Explain exactly how it would be brilliant (I'm not disagreeing, I just want your explanation of why brilliant?)

Brilliant= hilarious in this context. Dunno, we were focusing on one of us three(you did push Shazam at some point today, but you quickly got back to me IMO). And then all three of us would agree om Shazam and lynch him. Seems so random. But yes, you've got a good point of davsto's case on tn. Not that he can'tbe a partner, but it makes him less likely than Shazam to be scum(the only thing I actually remember of Shazam is having Davsto as strong town read, but it's mostly POE)

[Bearbert D]

So ika, bearbert, and Davsto all agree we should lynch Shazam.

That doesn't feel right to me...

too much WIFOM going through my head right now. Something tells me ika and either davsto or Bear is the remaining scum. I don't know.

I feel at this point, every scum is for himself. Bus hard would be the name of the game. It wouldn'f be outside the realm of possibilities for Davsto to suggest lynching Shazsm as partners.

Oh, I forgot I don't actually see why spirreh would be town read so strongly. He should be a suspect much more than ika imo. I know why you townreaf spirreh, but I disagree. That comment from firebringer could very well be distancing(and I think for s comment criticizing a partner, that'd be a likely one)

[Bearbert D]

Whoever the scum is here, they are clearly putting in good effort, so that case post is as good as irrelevant as far as I see it.

I could definitely go with Shazam as well though.

Shazam isn't putting much effort(neither am I for that matter. Shit, since when I'm so passive at mafia?:/)

[Bearbert D]

Wait I'm not pieguy

Guys we have an imposter

their avatars is even an anime thing like pie's I mean seriously

I couldn't get an anime avatar of the right size unfortunately:( (techically Pokemon is still an anime)


Ok, sillyness aside, consider my vote on Shazam. Don't want to put him at L-1 yet, but I'd still love a claim from him.

[Bearbert D]

I'm VT if Pisskop didn't claim, btw(don't see reason not to claim as I'm clearly not the third mason)

[Bearbert D]

^ Wrong

I really don't think Shazam is scum but I need to read the last few pages.

Why did we drop the suspicion on the pisskop slot? That is still my biggest scum read. Fro99er you literally agreed with my reasoning earlier when/why did that change?

If I was scum and Shazam town, why wouldn't I hammer him like right now? WIFOM and whatevet, but any day left not lynched from me would be a win.

Also, explain your read on Shazam. I can understand not scumreading him, but having a town read on him? Why?

[Bearbert D]

I've reread the interaction between firebringer and frogger. Axl is right it sucks, but doesn't seem scummy to me(well, I may be biased because frogger's last posts have been super town)

[Bearbert D]

Fro99er you literally agreed

What's the difference between agreeing and literally agreeing?

Using the word "literally" is stronger and stuff.

Also, am I right in seeing that Spiffeh was basically a non-presence until someone said they were suspicious of him?

That's right, and that person is me. I agree with frogger that Shazam+ Spiffeh makes a lot of sense. Maybe with you, maybe not(probably with since I still believe it's 5 scum, but we'll see after lynching Shazam-and maybe Spiffeh after that)

[Bearbert D]

Fro99er you literally agreed

What's the difference between agreeing and literally agreeing?

Using the word "literally" is stronger and stuff.

Also, am I right in seeing that Spiffeh was basically a non-presence until someone said they were suspicious of him?

That's right, and that person is me.

AS is this. Trying to get towncred.

Yes, I want towncred. Because ffs, I was the one who asked you first about Spiffeh. You followed, but I was first. So I want some recognition for it.

And ok, that may be awful, but if you think I'm scum, why didn't I just hammer? WIFOM? I'm playing with my life for WIFOM? None of you can answer that question

[Bearbert D]

That kind of blows a hole in the Shazam+ Spiffeh theory no, frogger? I had forgotten Shazam said the thing about Spiffeh not making sense in 431. My opinion now would be that doesn't look like partnership. But what do you think, frogger?

[Bearbert D]

If I was scum and Shazam town, why wouldn't I hammer him like right now? WIFOM and whatevet, but any day left not lynched from me would be a win.

Perhaps the reason is because it's not LYLO yet?

The scum are currently in a bad position and are gradually getting boxed out. You might hesitate to perform a risky action like that.

Because you don't understand. Waiting would be the risky play. Scum me risked getting lynched(which now looks like it'll happen). Hammering Shazam would have given me another day(+ hammering somebody I was already suspicious of wouldn't attract much attention)

[Bearbert D]

I'm not going to argue with you what your hypothetical scum motivations are for performing a null action.

Because you don't have any explanation?

[Bearbert D]

Scum me risked getting lynched(which now looks like it'll happen).

Oh, so you're stating that as a fact, eh?

Time to die, bucko.

Lol

[Bearbert D]

Well, I've reread the thing you've asked me to and I agree frogger acted quite weird about firebringer. Also, apparently he wasn't on the tn lynch? I remember him pushing tn a lot. But the thing is, frogger's play today has looked quite town to me, his changing his mind a lot seems really town imo.


Ricastle's accusation about me being scummy for saying "scum me would have done x" is laughable.

My problem is that I've got nothing to defend from. Echo's VC annalyzis is mostly Pisskop. What can I defend against it? Nothing. The only legitimate point against me(not my slot, me personslly) would be you accusing me of lazyness. And obviously that's natural since I replaced in extremly late. So there's 100+ pages. I've read most of thrm, but thr problem is I wasn't engaged in the arguemrnts. It's a lot harder to get reads on people you don't interact to. That's why after interacting with frogger, I got a town read.

And Shazam hasn't done anything town. So I hate how the wagon was derailed(but I'd only look at that after a Shazam scum flip). The wagons on me, Davsto or frogger kinda died because we did something considered town(not sure what in my case). Or at leasy reasonably so. Shazsm comes, claims he's obv inno and does nothing aftrr that. How can anybody townread him?

[Bearbert D]

VOTE: Shazam

[Bearbert D]

actually, you know what. I have no reason to town read tn. Just felt like it in heat of the moment.

VOTE: tn5421[/v]

Who's to say that frogger/piss aren't scum together, Sala?

Also, I scumread frogger for 151/152

VOTE: fro99er

This is horrible.

Lining up lynches, expecting scum to bus already when there's so many players that haven't even started playing, etc.

Just horrible

FFS people. Axle could be scum, he could be town. I have no problem with an axle wagon if you all want to start one.

Like seriously people. It's possible Axle is scum. But it's not off post #8.

And yes,

I'll sit here and defend the shit out of him

if you keep suspecting him off of his entrance post.

I'm sorry but this is just so inconsistant

It's not. I'll defend the shit out of him for post #8.

I'll happily scum read him for his play later.

I've already explained that

Anyway.

tn is probscum, aero maybe scum. Not sure. He's just looking for my contradictions (which we all know everyone contradicts themselves, scum and town...but he's just contradiction hunting, not scum hunting).

VOTE: tn5421

I like this more.

I'm done pissing off everyone. Echo is right. I need to stop.

This is what I'd personally call pushing hard for somebody on D1. If you read that post, my recollection there is not faulty. I'm more amazed that frogget wasn't actually on tn's wagon after all this when tn actually got lynched

[Bearbert D]

Shazsm comes, claims he's obv inno and does nothing aftrr that. How can anybody townread him?

Horse hockey.

You know why I drafted to doubt Shazam scum, and it's not what you mention above. You are intentionally being "oblivious", scumbag.

I forgot about you there. Yes, obviously you explained the reason. I don't agree with it much, but yes, I know it

[Bearbert D]

I see Fro99er thinks my slot is scum, can I get reasons why on that?

Because that's what your PM says.

About firebringer, I mentioned those two posts from frogger. Immediatly after lynching tn, he went hard after firebringer. The fact that he relaxed there after that(which is where the weird interaction came from) doesn't makr my point that he went after firebringer false. Obviously, it makes it a lot weaker, but I still didn't have faulty recollection or anything

[Bearbert D]

Well, I feel frogger hasn't given much reasoning to any suspicion. So the reasoning he gave for those reads is quite powerful from him imo. Compared to the other posts. For example, I don't see anywhere where he actually gives reasons for thinking I'm scum

[Bearbert D]

explain ho in any way what you have described as go after is not just distancing, and low risk distancing at that.

I'm a big fan of distancing so I know what that is. But again, I'm not defending frogger based on those things anymore. I agreed with you thr interaction with firebringer looks weird and if you read the first post I've made in this game, it says frogger looked like bussing tn. But you asked me where I saw frogger going after them. FFS, it's like you're not even trying to understsnd what I say here

The reason I'm townreading frogger now is the way he's acting today. Really flip-floppy and the way he changes reads see

[Bearbert D]

it says frogger looked like bussing tn.

It cant look like bussing if he making the push with no expectation it will go anywhere because he never puts any effort or reasoning into the push.

That's just semantics. I kind of use bussing as pushing s partner regardless of how strong the distancing is

[Bearbert D]

Well, I feel frogger hasn't given much reasoning to any suspicion. So the reasoning he gave for those reads is quite powerful from him imo. Compared to the other posts. For example, I don't see anywhere where he actually gives reasons for thinking I'm scum

That is an interesting point.
What about Fro99er not giving reasoning makes you feel comfortable he is town?
I know there are players that typically don't
Fro99ers first Newbie with me This was push link to a push by Frogger (or the start of one)(and is was a bullshit one made to test my reactions)(he said so in this game)
open 603 (in this game they smash scum, but check the clear tone of the posts) There none of this doing stuff just because hey why the heck not.

If you go find his scum game Bees it will be different to this one. Just like this is different to the town games. Thats not the point the point is he can make ral push with real reason but didn't and yo say hasn't.

Well, I feel frogger hasn't given much reasoning to any suspicion.

Again, where did I say frogger not giving reasons means I think he's town? I said that him not giving reasons for tn is softned by the fact he didn't give reasons for anybody? It's more like :" you using thr fsct he's not given reasons for tn as a scum tell is wrong because he's done that with everybody" instead of "he's town for this"

But honestly, I assumed this was his normal playstyle. I'll have a look at those other games(yes, I'm postponing yet again)

[Bearbert D]

Fuck. I should vote frogger now in a defensive way. But I still think he's town

[Bearbert D]

If people could just move back to Shazam, that would be great

[Bearbert D]

Davsto, what you said what a very fair point and I don't know how to respond:P

[Bearbert D]

(yes, I'm postponing yet again)

How long for?

I've read the iso you've linked. Nothing screams scum in this game

[Bearbert D]

Fro99er, I've seen you as scum. You're pretty damn good. How in any way does your selfmeta make you obvtown?

I'm also prepared to hammer Bearbert, if necessary.

Absolutely correct.

However, Bearbert is pretty good at playing scum as well. I've seen him on Westeros.

I don't know about pisskop, he probably sucks, so he's the missing link for us to hunt with if Bearbert really is scum.

Yeah, I am. Bummed I didn't replace Aero . But you'd know I'm much more motivated as scum than here then.


Now Axle, I agree the push on tn wasn't the most serious of pushes. But in the context of D1(that specifical D1), it was pretty strong. But what happened then ism't especially relevant to my read.


I have said that the way he interacts with other people, the way he changes his reads in a very genuine way seems town to me. Also, thd post "I'm playing too bad to be scum" reads genuine



But holy shit, I'vs got one question. Why the fuck do you think you played badly, frogger, when you caught both aeronaut and tn?

[Bearbert D]

If frogger doesn't give a good answer, I'll vote him right there.

[Bearbert D]

Yeah, I said he's town, but apparently he's good as scum+ defensive vote+ this inconsistency

[Bearbert D]

If frogger would be scum, spiffeh is likely partner.

[Bearbert D]

Ok. Any VCA without context is meaningless, VCA should be a helping tool not the main one IMO.
Umm, your VCA has Shazam as scum, right? Why not vote there?

[Bearbert D]

Ok. Any VCA without context is meaningless, VCA should be a helping tool not the main one IMO.
Umm, your VCA has Shazam as scum, right? Why not vote there?

Unbelievable. This demonstrates that not only have you not read Echo's VCA, but you haven't followed my votes. But let me guess: once again, your conclusion (that I am scum somehow, some way) has not changed.
VOTE: BearbertD
I'm more confident that you were a scum on my wagon than I am about Fro99er at this point.

Lynch this. Now!

VOTE: Shazam

[Bearbert D]

I think I was already voting there though

[Bearbert D]

If this town doesn't lynch Shazam tomorrow, it deserves to lose the game right there and then

[Bearbert D]

If this town doesn't lynch Shazam tomorrow, it deserves to lose the game right there and then

If you flip town, I agree

Just vote now. There's still time. Common, how is he not obvscum to you?

[Bearbert D]

If Bearbert flips town Shazam seems pretty sus knowing I'll be the next mislynch. L-1 knowing Ricastle will hammer knowing the next lynch is lined up...

I'll probably be the next lynch though if Bear flips town and we'll lose.

I wouldn't know you'd be the next mislynch. Even if I was scum I wouldn't know you'd be the next lynch. But you're also assuming I know you're a mislynch and then calling me suspect because of it. That's not a logical argument.

Secondly, I'm willing to say right now that yes, I would tend to think you were Bearbert's partner since he has been suspiciously unwilling to go with reason and get off my wagon. That has kept him off of yours. And your vote of him I have already called out as consistent with a bus. But if he flipped scum and then you flipped town, and I was pushing your wagon for no good reason, wouldn't it be obvious to everyone that I was scum? That's not going to happen because I'm not scum, but if it did I would think you'd be happy to make that trade.

Finally, why on earth would you get lynched next if Bear flipped town? I would be very much against your lynch if he flipped town.

Look at this. Look at the last sentence. It's absolutely complete bullshit designed to convince frogger. It's extremly obvious I'm not frogger's partner. I'd have bussed him looooong ago

[Bearbert D]

its pretty clear at this point one of Bear or Shaz is scum.

Bear could be doing this as survival but then Bear is the obvious lynch tomorrow if Shaz flips town. If Bear flips town Shaz is the obv lynch tomorrow in my mind. So yeah, we've got a 1 for 1 it feels like.

Yeah it's obvious one of us is scum. Specifically him

[Bearbert D]

Umm, am I allowed to talk before flip?

[Bearbert D]

Ok

Lynch Shazam please. He's scummity scum scum scum. Never seen a more obvious scum in my life. Speedlynch him tomorrow. Don't let him talk you out of it.

Spiffeh is a likely partner. Davsto too

[Bearbert D]

I'm town duh

[Bearbert D]

There's no way Bear is my hypothetical scumbuddy dude. If he flips town, how does that make me town?

I read his flip to me being town from scum reading me earlier as scum motivated by him since he knew I would be under fire today and it would be a good way to get towncred by letting everyone else push through my mislynch.

But if he flipped scum and then you flipped town, and I was pushing your wagon for no good reason, wouldn't it be obvious to everyone that I was scum? That's not going to happen because I'm not scum, but if it did I would think you'd be happy to make that trade.

his flip isn't going to change my role PM. I'm town so if he flips town, you are my suspect and if he flips scum I'm still town. If you drive through my mislynch tomorrow after I get Bearbert lynched here, you're either scum or anti-town thinking I'm somehow scum who bussed my whole team if Fire's scumslip is right.

These posts show an inability to see things from my perspective. If he flips town, it makes you town because Bearbert was reluctant to vote you even to save himself. It would mean flipped town genuinely believed you were town. Secondly I believe him flipping scum increases your chance of being scum, so him flipping town must by necessity decrease your chance of being scum. It is obvious that his flip doesn't change your role PM. It just changes what I think your role PM is, since I don't know for sure.

Hey man, if you go down as town, you have my word I'm vote parking on Shaz tomorrow.

At this point if I flip off you and Shaz flips town it'll be even more "evidence" that I'm your "buddy"

This changes my view a little though. It's not a very pro-town attitude to pre-determine your voting patterns. You would be justified in thinking I was more likely to be scum if I helped to lynch a townie. But saying you will vote park is never a good idea.

This still makes no sense. Especially point one is complete bullshit

[Bearbert D]

Wait, Bear was actually town? Shit.

Expect a Shazam vote tomorrow, and with any luck because of timezones being for me (i.e. the night will take tomorrow, a Sunday) I should be able to get an ISO out for him.

Don't like this. You've got no reason to believee when I'm ssying I'm town(well, you do because I'm still posting but you should still have doubts). This makes me think you know I'm town

[Bearbert D]

He'd be really town for saying that if I was scum. But I'm not

[Bearbert D]

Bye people. Lynch Shazam!

[Bearbert D]

Good game town! Didn't really help with anything, but still, a win is a win I guess.

I'm still here trying to piece who Echo is if he/she is familiar with my playstyle