NY 190: Molla's Large Normal

Vedith · Tue Oct 13, 2015 12:58 am

In post 2155, talah wrote:Mokay. Your suggestions?

I'm actually struggling to think how this helps aside from avoiding PRs but explain that.

CDB
Luna
Titus
FA

I suggest that we go by these 4 names.
I don't believe that there are 2 FN's. If they fake a claim with another, then that's 3 scum found once revealed.

Vedith · Tue Oct 13, 2015 1:21 am

In post 2158, talah wrote:If you're talking about Friendly Neighbour targets then you need to get FAQ out of there since he's an easy strongman PR.
I don't care if scum are targets.

Well what other name? I'm thinking that 4 names will be better. Scum will look at trying to make the FN visit pool smaller, so we could possibly be relying on just 2 of these names alive tomorrow. At least with 4 it can pressure them to make a different kill rather than focus on the pool of choices.

Vedith · Tue Oct 13, 2015 1:22 am

In post 2158, talah wrote:So you're saying that (one of the BP claims and the vig) is likely scum.

Yup, that's my view on it.

Vedith · Tue Oct 13, 2015 1:40 am

Of course there is an advantage, it tells us if an FN is lying. Or at least leads us closer to a scum team.
Cross checking is pointless, as scum can kill the real one and then the fake one can say he got a FN and sent one. (doubtful, but pointless for us to do).

Not happy with VeeGee on the list personally. Performer I'm okay with, so we should go with those 4 names. Anyone agree/object?

Vedith · Tue Oct 13, 2015 1:58 am

In post 2163, talah wrote:No I mean is there any advantage for scum to being the target of a FN message, unless it's fake?
Obviously if you get a FN message I don't know if you're town. You still have to confirm the message if it came from town, even if you're scum.
Other option is it's scum confirming fake scum FN message.
Am I missing anything?

Well, as I said, when found out it would give us an extra name if scum lie. That would make 3 confirmed scum.

The tracker can also follow one of them and then after the results, if something seems odd pipe up. It's a pretty good strategy I think.

Vedith · Tue Oct 13, 2015 2:04 am

By Firebird do you mean Firebringer?
If so, I'm happy with that.

Vedith · Wed Oct 14, 2015 1:27 am

Well, FN has their names to go with really. The watcher can decide which one to watch and day 3. Both (or same, or none) confirm if someone is town. From there, both FN confirm who they targeted and then the Watcher confirms if one is lying (other wise keeps quiet).

With the Vig. What are you thinking? I think that the Vig should shoot who they think is scummy. If there is only 1 kill without a reasonable answer we then pressure. However, as the scum could use the tactic of not shooting to mis lynch, I don't think that it would be confirmed scum. If there is a detective role to search, then IaI will be a good shout.

Vedith · Wed Oct 14, 2015 1:42 am

Yeah I'm rushed at work right now so I'm probably stumbling over thought.
I'll explain in detail later.

Vedith · Wed Oct 14, 2015 2:23 am

In post 2207, talah wrote:If you're claiming a watcher role offhand right now you need to clarify that asap so whe know what we're dealing with. We only have a couple of days to go today and that would be some bullshit to deal with.

I'm just stating that this is what should happen.
What's the issue?

Vedith · Wed Oct 14, 2015 2:58 am

I'll go through it later when I have but there's nothing wrong with expecting a certain role given the possible setup.

Vedith · Wed Oct 14, 2015 3:26 am

Well I'm not voting FB, lets get that straight for a start.

Vedith · Wed Oct 14, 2015 3:28 am

Vedith · Wed Oct 14, 2015 12:43 pm

Okay

FN's go to
CDB
Luna
Titus
FB
Performer

If any lynched from here then add FAQ

Vig to

Vedith
Talah
VeeGee

I think that this plan is good enough.

Vedith · Wed Oct 14, 2015 9:54 pm

In post 2262, talah wrote:==
Proposed Pools Revision 1.23984679823659869
==
FN targets
CDB
Luna
Titus
FB
Performer
FAQ

Vig targets
Vedith
Talah
VeeGee

Fine plan right there.

Vedith · Wed Oct 14, 2015 10:39 pm

@Molla - I think Titus is voting FB

Right, so now who are we voting off?

Vedith · Thu Oct 15, 2015 12:10 am

I'm happy.
Out of the names to lynch, I prefer Performer. IaI could be a good asset if vig and FB/Sala/Banana has been my strongest town read all game.

Vedith · Thu Oct 15, 2015 3:25 am

In post 2279, Performer wrote:Ved, how come you're putting yourself into the Vig pool? If there's one thing consistent in my town game, it's that I don't appreciate people suiciding, like self votes. It's not pro-town, we're losing extra power.

How is it town of me to say, Vig, shoot any of these names that aren't me, and FN don't visit me.
It's putting my money where my mouth is, or whatever the saying is.

If the excuse is they shot me and someone healed me, I'm going to be suspicious as anything.

Also, I'll get to FB town read later (although it's more from Sala and Banana).

Vedith · Thu Oct 15, 2015 3:28 am

The issue is, we are in so many games together, I read you wrong nearly 100% of the time, and we both know that you are really good at adapting your play. So I'm trying to go by my read of Banana and Sala.

Vedith · Thu Oct 15, 2015 10:37 pm

In post 2285, Firebringer wrote:Yeah....we really should Hydra some game or something so we aren't fighting each other for half the game lol.

That sounds like a plan!

Vedith · Fri Oct 16, 2015 10:15 am

I think both names are highly appropriate for us both.

Can I try once again to push away from a FB lynch?
I'm still eating his town cookie as we speak.

Vedith · Sun Oct 18, 2015 2:12 am

Hello DGB - Tell us what you know!

Vedith · Sun Oct 18, 2015 3:26 am

@FB - OOG - How do I self wiki?

Vedith · Sun Oct 18, 2015 4:41 am

In post 2361, DrippingGoofball wrote:You realize that was a hammer????

Wait, what?
Luna you scum...

Vedith · Sun Oct 18, 2015 4:42 am

In post 2367, Luna Fox wrote:UNVOTE:
I just counted, it wasn't, unvoting for now to be safe

Then maybe not scum...

Vedith · Sun Oct 18, 2015 4:44 am

In post 2358, DrippingGoofball wrote:the message was that Skybird is town

Is that what a Mailman does as well?
I thought that it said he was a FN in the message?

Vedith · Sun Oct 18, 2015 4:44 am

In post 2376, Luna Fox wrote:I just realized that if you had to ask about Friendly Neighbors, you didn't receive that in your PM...

Yeah, this...

Vedith · Sun Oct 18, 2015 6:11 am

In fairness, who was VeeGee, am I right?

Vedith · Sun Oct 18, 2015 7:06 am

In post 2386, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 2376, Luna Fox wrote:...
I just realized that if you had to ask about Friendly Neighbors, you didn't receive that in your PM...

I did.

So why did you not mention this when you said the message said he was town?
I mean, I understand if you haven't seen the role before, but you must have expected it to be a role, right?

Vedith · Sun Oct 18, 2015 7:32 am

So why not say "I got his role and it said town"?

That way it clarifies what you got... Saying it said he is town just added confusion.

Vedith · Sun Oct 18, 2015 7:34 am

Lucky we have no doors here, right, DGB?

Vedith · Sun Oct 18, 2015 7:36 am

Even if you were confirmed town I would still question that, Luna. :<

Vedith · Sun Oct 18, 2015 7:38 am

In post 2406, Luna Fox wrote:I don't understand this post, are you agreeing with me?

Yes, I was also adding a little humor into it.

Vedith · Sun Oct 18, 2015 7:39 am

In post 2334, BBmolla wrote:DEADLINE: 1 day, 6 hours, 29 minutes

Just to point out.

Vedith · Sun Oct 18, 2015 7:42 am

In post 2410, DrippingGoofball wrote:Why don't you crawl back in your scum PT and rejoice about lynching me today and beheading Skybird tonight.

It's night only so it's locked.

Vedith · Sun Oct 18, 2015 7:47 am

In post 2421, DrippingGoofball wrote:I don't really care about your lynching preferences since you are scum.

Everyone is just scum to you?

I mean, you can throw your toys out of the pram, but it will just result in no one caring...

Vedith · Sun Oct 18, 2015 7:49 am

In post 2422, DrippingGoofball wrote:Why are you all so hellbent on outing the FNs so that they are NK'd right away???

1 actually claimed day 1 - didn't die and wasn't protected.
second was already outed.

If you try not to jump to conclusions...

Vedith · Sun Oct 18, 2015 7:50 am

In post 2429, DrippingGoofball wrote:I am going to wager 100 coconuts right here on a town loss.

I'll take it. Town have me so it's more or less a win.

Someone who comes into the game without knowing anything that has happened throwing their 2 pence around is not what will win it.

Vedith · Sun Oct 18, 2015 7:51 am

In post 2430, I Am Innocent wrote:Yes read D2 and you'll see both Luna and I pushing this.

Players like this don't want to read, they just want to look like they know everything.

Spoiler:

Vedith · Sun Oct 18, 2015 7:54 am

In post 2434, DrippingGoofball wrote:You are just too pointless and annoying, I refuse to read, respond to, or acknowledge any further post from you.

Yeah I noticed that you were one of these type of players a few weeks ago. XD
Pick your toys up. I'm going to not vote IaI in spite of you... I hope that helps.

Vedith · Sun Oct 18, 2015 7:55 am

In post 2437, Luna Fox wrote:
In post 2435, DrippingGoofball wrote:So why isn't that fakeclaim lynched?

I suggest you read through D2, srsly

Wasting your time, arrogance can't be cured.

Vedith · Sun Oct 18, 2015 7:57 am

Yup I agree with IaI.

Vedith · Sun Oct 18, 2015 8:29 am

Doc was 2, then he changed it to 1 after IaI said he targeted someone else.

Vedith · Sun Oct 18, 2015 8:36 am

I think it was a 2 shot? - Anyone to confirm?

pedit - There we go!

Vedith · Sun Oct 18, 2015 8:47 am

Apparently so.

Vedith · Sun Oct 18, 2015 9:18 am

In post 2463, I Am Innocent wrote:What happened to the vig pool? Do you really think it wise for me to tell scum the exact target ?

Just stick to the pool please.

Vedith · Sun Oct 18, 2015 9:21 am

I still like the pools as they are... DGB us a good player yes... Just arrogant, and that's what will fault her here.

Vedith · Sun Oct 18, 2015 10:14 am

In post 2472, Aj The Epic wrote:Wait we have a JK now too? wtf?

Not confirmed... It's theory only.
I don't think we do.

Vedith · Sun Oct 18, 2015 10:24 am

This town isn't big enough for the both of us, Aj...

Vedith · Sun Oct 18, 2015 10:39 am

Thanks! ^^

Vedith · Sun Oct 18, 2015 9:23 pm

In post 2491, Luna Fox wrote:Vedith or Performer if we're lynching non-PRs.

Wait, since when was I non PR?
Show me the post where it states this please.

Vedith · Sun Oct 18, 2015 9:33 pm

In post 2524, Titus wrote:We are not lynching a vig candidate.

Yah that's so anti town to want to lynch a possible vig who can easily be caught out...

Vedith · Sun Oct 18, 2015 9:47 pm

I wouldn't say that Talah is a strong town read. Care to detail your read?

Vedith · Sun Oct 18, 2015 9:57 pm

I don't see it... All I see from Talah is excuses on potential scum buddies. :<

Vedith · Sun Oct 18, 2015 11:05 pm

In post 2533, talah wrote:Gotta hand it to you Vedith. Things change a lot if I flip scum, since I was hard-defending my buddies.

I'm talking about TheWorst and AJ in particular... You have been defending them ever since the day started... And yes I do think that you would make such a bad play before you ask.

What makes IaI town? Nothing... I'm not saying that he is town, I'm saying that he is easy to catch out.

Vedith · Sun Oct 18, 2015 11:32 pm

Yeah, Talah is scum for me.

Flash lynched? =D

VOTE: Talah

Vedith · Sun Oct 18, 2015 11:38 pm

In post 2550, talah wrote:I put myself in the Vig pool along with Vedith on his suggestion and one actual sane vig option at the time - VeeGee.

That's a lie, I put you in it...
You actually crossed your name out of it, if I am correct?

Vedith · Sun Oct 18, 2015 11:40 pm

In post 2551, talah wrote:No, I don't believe you are a vig. You are either scum claiming the kill so they can kill on future nights, or simply an SK.

Ah, so now you are throwing SK around?
This gets better and better...
Question, why did you have an issue with me assuming a tracker when you have made up half a dozen roles?

Vedith · Sun Oct 18, 2015 11:45 pm

In post 2555, I Am Innocent wrote:Lynch this guy tomorrow please!

I'm okay with it today to be honest...
If Talah flips scum that will give us some good leads to go on.

Vedith · Sun Oct 18, 2015 11:47 pm

In post 2559, I Am Innocent wrote:I would seriously consider shooting him again has got him really worried lol

Yup, I can see the worry here...
And now that the focus is on Talah, you are now called possible SK...
Just makes me laugh.

Vedith · Sun Oct 18, 2015 11:49 pm

In post 2560, talah wrote:Because I floated strongman / scum jailkeeper for the scumteam as a counter to 2 x protective roles and 2 x FNs for town. As an example.
The other roles I've mentioned were to do with Performer's fake-crumbs - which he's unequivocally stated are fake.

You just chucked in some bullshit roles and tried to justify your reasoning for them.
There's no reason to think of these additional roles, the whole smoke without fire, eh?

And now you have decided to push on an SK possibility. This is so scummy it hurts. :<

Vedith · Sun Oct 18, 2015 11:53 pm

In post 2564, talah wrote:Okay. Now you're not even thinking or are just scum.

So because I am pushing onto you, I'm either not thinking or I'm scum...

Yeah you are scum. As IaI, you give the whole "no one protect me tonight" then try to get IaI lynched... You are full of shit, sorry to say.

Vedith · Mon Oct 19, 2015 2:06 am

In post 2567, DrippingGoofball wrote:What are you doing? Talah is town.

And you got this from not reading the game? *Slaps cheeks in shock*

I doubt that slot is town.

Vedith · Mon Oct 19, 2015 2:07 am

In post 2570, DrippingGoofball wrote:How come you're not shooting at AJ???? That's bizarre.

If Aj has a BP as described and it hasn't gone, then if IaI fails, it wouldn't confirm anything for us.

Vedith · Mon Oct 19, 2015 2:08 am

In post 2568, DrippingGoofball wrote:Titus is scum.

Hey look, something we don't disagree on! =D

Vedith · Mon Oct 19, 2015 2:32 am

In post 2574, DrippingGoofball wrote:If he's lying scum he'll be dead, that should be good enough.

So if he's telling the truth you

1 - Risk killing off a good role for town (scum can also shoot to kill him and make it look like 1 shot)
2 - IaI would then basically be lynched without proof of vig or not. (going by current argument)

Also, if he is lying about the align rather than the role, that would also screw things up for town..

I think the pool visits are good for FN's and Vig.

Vedith · Mon Oct 19, 2015 2:32 am

In post 2575, DrippingGoofball wrote:How come IAI doesn't want to shoot Titus?

Is this a question for all, or for IaI?

Vedith · Mon Oct 19, 2015 4:50 am

That's the spirit!

I like the play from Titus - "I think you're town" "Well I think you're scum" "you must be scum for thinking that"

WTB Logic.

Vedith · Mon Oct 19, 2015 4:56 am

Can someone remind me where Luna is town in this game?

Vedith · Mon Oct 19, 2015 4:59 am

Hey, read my question.
"Can someone remind me where Luna is town in this game?"

Vedith · Mon Oct 19, 2015 5:03 am

I think so.
There was a role claim of you right? Or am I thinking of something else?

Vedith · Mon Oct 19, 2015 5:04 am

In post 2604, Performer wrote:@Ved as far as I can tell and after a skim of her ISO again, Luna is as town as the red in a strawberry this game.

Can you quote the claim? I'm at work so it's hard to find it.

Vedith · Mon Oct 19, 2015 5:09 am

In post 2608, Luna Fox wrote:I didn't roleclaim anything, AJ said i was a secret IC.

Was that false then?
I read that people received a PM? But I didn't...
I cleared through my messages last night and didn't find it.

Vedith · Mon Oct 19, 2015 5:11 am

In post 2609, Performer wrote:@Ved I don't recall her role claiming a PR at all.
Why are you bringing that up in regards to Luna of all players this game?? And when deadline is so close?? Sounds like stirring in chaos m this close to deadline.

I'm not going to vote her or push on her you moron I want to check something while we are in the night. ¬¬
Stop getting all worked up because I am asking questions.

Vedith · Mon Oct 19, 2015 5:15 am

So there wasn't a message sent out? Who said that there was?

Vedith · Mon Oct 19, 2015 5:16 am

In post 2613, Performer wrote:I'm getting worked up? I'm saying it looked scummy that you asked her that (probably my strongest townread atm), so I pressured you for that. That's all that was. Nothing more.

Yeah you are getting worked up and jumping the gun.
I just wanted to know information and I'm not sure if I'll be on tonight to check myself.

Vedith · Mon Oct 19, 2015 5:17 am

For the record - I don't care if someone is confirmed town, let alone top town read. If I have a question to ask them, I'm going to ask them.

Vedith · Mon Oct 19, 2015 5:38 am

In post 2619, Performer wrote:On top of that, your asking of her claiming this game. We had more than enough PR claims so far, I'm very familiar with scum trying to role fish for PRs

If the role is already said then how the fuck is it role fishing?
Seriously - Learn the meaning.

It was more the fact I cleared through my messages and didn't see anything relating to the game. I then remembered that there was something on the role of Luna about a PM. That's what I'm interested in, but I wanted to make sure it was actually this game and not another that I was thinking of.

Vedith · Mon Oct 19, 2015 6:55 am

In post 2504, BBmolla wrote:DEADLINE: 0 days, 9 hours, 15 minutes

So 9 hours to go... I won't be on too late tonight and the timer will end before I get up for work.

So remind me, did FB/Sala/Banana claim or no?

I only see the use of a no lynch if it actually helps town - A no lynch here won't provide anything else that what we will already get.

Vedith · Mon Oct 19, 2015 6:59 am

Are you more important than a potential vig?

Vedith · Mon Oct 19, 2015 7:03 am

If I didn't have such a strong town read on you I really would be lynching you...
I don't think I want to ask any more questions over it.

Fuck it - lets see.

UNVOTE: Talah the scum
VOTE: IaI

L1

Vedith · Mon Oct 19, 2015 7:39 am

In post 2634, Firebringer wrote:You never did thank me for the town cookie I made.
I made it with love Vedith.

;(

I didn't see a cookie!

Vedith · Mon Oct 19, 2015 9:57 am

I'm about to go to bed but it looks like a no lynch today?

Vedith · Mon Oct 19, 2015 10:59 am

UNVOTE: IaI
VOTE: Aj

Vedith · Thu Oct 22, 2015 12:04 am

TheWorst is proven. That's the only reason that they killed Skybird.
IaI is proven not Mafia.

So there's that...

Vedith · Thu Oct 22, 2015 12:14 am

What would you like me to explain?
IaI or TheWorst?

Vedith · Thu Oct 22, 2015 12:19 am

IaI claimed vig. No counter claim, and not killed.
This means that he is not Mafia as there were 2 kills.
However, it doesn't confirm as town.

TheWorst messages AJ N1 - AJ said that he was FN, AJ died and flipped town. Lying about that would not have happened as town.

But thanks for not realising and hoping to push TheWorst as the lying FN.
I would say that means that at least the majority of the scum wouldn't have expected TheWorst to be clear over Skybird.
That gives me 3 primes scum suspects.

Vedith · Thu Oct 22, 2015 1:55 am

So, Luna, talk to me.
Thoughts?

Vedith · Thu Oct 22, 2015 2:12 am

Okay.

Vedith · Thu Oct 22, 2015 9:16 pm

In post 2770, Titus wrote:IaI, I have a major bone to pick with you. You went off and did your own thing despite being told to shoot likely scum. If you don't lynch scum today or shoo scum tonight, I will lynch you.

He was given 3 names in the pool and he shot 1 of them.
This post is so scummy.

Vedith · Thu Oct 22, 2015 9:25 pm

I'll vote either of these

Titus
DGB

FB isn't looking so great either - I can see him with Titus with the Titus tunnelling him for distance. - Preferable for FB not to be lynched today though.

FA should be off the cards for today.
Luna's not an option
TheWorst is confirmed
IaI is confirmed enough for me. SK mind would have probably shot FB imo.

Performer/CDB, I'm not too sure about.

Vedith · Thu Oct 22, 2015 10:23 pm

I'm thinking logically here...

Vedith · Thu Oct 22, 2015 10:29 pm

Vedith · Sat Oct 24, 2015 8:22 am

Considering my top 2 scum reads are on FB, wagon makes me feel uneasy.

Vedith · Sat Oct 24, 2015 9:18 am

In post 2805, Firebringer wrote:I thought you were scumreading me.
I can't follow you Vedith...

I really suggest you re read 2774

Vedith · Sun Oct 25, 2015 4:54 am

Oh wait, I thought DBG was voting FB

Just to confirm, FA is not top of my scum reads...

Vedith · Sun Oct 25, 2015 10:34 pm

Right, so I'll look into this later.
So we have, if I am right...
Titus is saying DGB and FB is scum
DGB is saying Titus scum and FB town
FB saying Titus scum and DGB is ?

Vedith · Sun Oct 25, 2015 10:51 pm

So basically, regardless if Titus is scum or not,

FB or DGB is buddying the town (Both FB and DGB won't be scum, I won't accept that).

Vedith · Sun Oct 25, 2015 10:56 pm

IU have no idea when it comes to VCA, but players like Titus and DGB give up their partners easily... This is what I'm thinking.

Vedith · Mon Oct 26, 2015 2:36 am

So, originally I thought I meant Don't and missed it. But yeah I didn't mean that so my comment was how it should have been.
Then I looked into your scum games. The 1st one, there's not much from you.
2nd game that I could find where you were WW with awa, yeah I can see you defended hard. So okay, I was wrong but I really thought that you were one to throw under the bus.
Although, this was day 1, so this could differ a lot later in games as you even said yourself in this game it was because he was a PR.

So what you have said is if FB flips town, we should go with scum you...?

Vedith · Mon Oct 26, 2015 2:53 am

I thought that I read games from yours as I was interested in your play on, I forget what it was, NYK maybe or something along those line?

Take it as you will though.

Vedith · Mon Oct 26, 2015 3:02 am

I wouldn't say FB is easy to read. He adapts to his game depending who he is playing against.
I've gone from the stage to even try and meta him, to just call him scum until I feel otherwise. It's a working relationship.

Just because I don't have my vote on Titus yet doesn't mean I won't vote there.
I just don't want to risk an overly fast lynch.
Even more with Titus who will self hammer as scum...

Vedith · Mon Oct 26, 2015 3:17 am

In post 2862, DrippingGoofball wrote:That sounds like extra incentive to rush Titus to L-1 to me.

Why? It cuts out additional days we have to discuss...

Vedith · Mon Oct 26, 2015 3:18 am

Actually, as there is only 2 votes on, I can't see this hurting.

VOTE: Titus

So, if Titus flips town, where would you stand on FB?

Vedith · Mon Oct 26, 2015 3:27 am

I like how Titus missed out the part where I think she is scum.

Let me join you in the facepalm, Titus

Vedith · Mon Oct 26, 2015 9:57 pm

In post 2896, Titus wrote:Oh look Vedith starts bringing up the rear... not surprised here.

Vedith looks so bad because FGB and DGB are scum. Townbeard candidate... He reads town but his voting history is utter shit.

Oh look, I go from town to this because I am voting Titus.

Vedith · Tue Oct 27, 2015 3:55 am

IaI can't be scum though...
At worst, he is SK, which I doubt.

Vedith · Wed Oct 28, 2015 8:56 am

In post 2977, Firebringer wrote:Going here:
VOTE: IamInnocent

Really?

Vedith · Wed Oct 28, 2015 12:59 pm

In post 2991, BBmolla wrote:I'm doing everything I can.

We could just lynch him if that makes it easier for you?

Vedith · Wed Oct 28, 2015 1:00 pm

I think FA is an awful vote, DGB, just saying.

Vedith · Wed Oct 28, 2015 1:01 pm

Lol it tricked me too! XD

Vedith · Thu Oct 29, 2015 3:00 am

In post 3014, pignash wrote:Hey guys. Clearly it will take a while for me to catch up. On page 9 currently but I should make quick work of it. Anyone want to give me the bullet points?

FAQ - Claimed Bodyguard 2 shot bulletproof. Protected Talah night 1
IaI - Claimed Vig. Shot Talah night 1, shot Talah night 2.
TheWorst claimed and confirmed friendly neighbor. night 1 sent a message to AJ, night 2 sent a message to Luna

I don't think that there were other claims?

Your spot didn't really give much to the game.

Titus looks like scum - Thinks that FB and DGB is scum
FB and DGB think Titus is scum - Think that each other are town.

Night 2 scum killed the unconfirmed friendly neighbor which was kind of them. This suggest they were not paying attention or they knew that the second FN would be confirmed.

Not really sure what else has gone on.

Luna is apparently town. I don't think scum I just don't recall why she is town again.

Vedith · Mon Nov 02, 2015 3:07 am

In post 3065, Titus wrote:Pretty much confirmed by IaI being let go with his intent to shoot Talah but blocked when shooting DGB. (Supposition here that IaI didn't no kill).

That's a scum slip and a half.

VOTE: Titus

Lets try to not be morons today... How the fuck did you lot manage to lynch FB over Titus?

Vedith · Mon Nov 02, 2015 7:22 am

In post 3077, Luna Fox wrote:Titus said that IaI should shoot DGB or FB whoever, of the 2 lives, that's not a scum slip.
VOTE: DGB

Being roleblocked is a scum slip... We have no knowledge before hand that there is a RN so why say it now?

Vedith · Mon Nov 02, 2015 7:25 am

In post 3090, Luna Fox wrote:P-Edit: One shot doesnt work because FAQ blocked his shot on talah N1? they'd need some super planning abilities to have realized that there was a 2nd protective role that wasn't on talah, unless FAQ is scum.

Didn't the BG confirm he protected Talah before IaI said?

Vedith · Mon Nov 02, 2015 7:33 am

Who ever is thinking that IaI is scum is dumb... He's town as fuck.
Who ever is thinking that DGB is deluded... He's town as fuck.

Who ever thinks that Titus is town is deranged... She's scum as fuck
Who ever thinks Pignash is town is an idiot... He's scum as fuck.

Leaving Performer, FA or Luna as last scum...

So if it's most likely Lylo... Why would scum not RB IaI? Titus knew too quickly what happened.

Think about it.

Vedith · Mon Nov 02, 2015 7:38 am

Note it as much as you like. You vote was fucking awful.

Vedith · Mon Nov 02, 2015 7:46 am

In post 3125, pignash wrote:Awful how? How is attacking the town helpful? How is calling us dumb hunting for scum? His defense makes no sense and unless I hear something from FAQ that exonerate him that's where my vote will stay parked.

Of course his defence makes sense...
I haven't attacked town, I attacked you and Titus. What I find so dumb is the sudden quick votes on a possible Lylo... And the stupid FB lynch.
And I know it's not towns fault... Scummy Titus is what mis lead them.

Vedith · Mon Nov 02, 2015 7:47 am

I mean, you actually sit there and question my comments while you put someone at L2 on the day of returning into game with Lylo chances... I mean, really?

Vedith · Mon Nov 02, 2015 7:55 am

Oh okay, well that's nothing to do with me... People act like that for either align when frustrated for me.

Well think of it this way... What if me and Luna are scum (+1 other) and DGB isn't? Easy win as we just go yeah I think he's scum, lets get him outta here!

Basically, there's no need to rush something like this as nothing is ever guaranteed. We get 2 weeks to discuss, lets use it.

Vedith · Mon Nov 02, 2015 7:56 am

Well, IaI could kill scum, but as you believe that he is scum (wrongly) I can see where you are coming from.

Other note, if IaI was SK, would that most likely mean 2 scum instead of 3?

Vedith · Mon Nov 02, 2015 8:23 am

In post 3134, DrippingGoofball wrote:Unless he was bodyguarded, which is weird given that the Friendly Neighbor was left unprotected, he is lying outright about targeting me.

No, Titus claimed RB the moment she said he was blocked...

Vedith · Mon Nov 02, 2015 8:23 am

In post 3137, pignash wrote:I will unvote for the time being on the off chance you're just mean spirited and not scum.

Yeah DGB is pretty arrogant.

Vedith · Mon Nov 02, 2015 8:36 am

In post 3140, DrippingGoofball wrote:So, Vedith, from now on you're the only player that I will address.

Don't do that...

In post 3140, DrippingGoofball wrote:I am town, and vanilla. It's as if you've seen my role PM.

Now, IAI claims to have targeted me.
There are some possibilities:
(1) he was bodyguarded
(2) I was bodyguarded (though very unlikely)
(3) maybe he was actually RB'd by scum (though with him and Titus clamoring for my NK, that would be highly unlikely)
(3) he is lying. Maybe he is one-shot, maybe 2-shot, maybe he used a shot on the BP bodyguard, and is pretending that he shot me and failed instead.

What I find most damning is Titus' post at the day's opening. She pretty much "predicted" what IAI was going to say, and frames it as only one possible explanation:
In post 3065, Titus wrote:
Pretty much confirmed by IaI being let go with his intent to shoot Talah but blocked when shooting DGB. (Supposition here that IaI didn't no kill).

The bit about "let do with his intent to shoot talah" is interesting. Maybe IAI is a has a strongman shot? Why didn't the bodyguard protect talah? I guess in his mind it could be protecting a player against a vig shot, but still... The FN wasn't protected either. So, who did the bodyguard, bodyguard?

Do I have the BG role wrong here? If he was bodyguarded, why would that stop a kill?
Given that it is possible that he is scum, I still think highly unlikely. Lying? Possible, as SK would be fitting. Personally I like him for town as it stands.

Talah said not to be protected. But yeah, lets find out who the BG was on and why.
If he isn't the BG, then IaI is not scum at all for me, the only reason that would have that role is if we really have 2 BP protecting roles.

So for me IaI and FA are not both of the same align.

Vedith · Mon Nov 02, 2015 8:52 am

Oh? Then I had the role completely wrong...
I thought that the BG would die in your place, and the 1 shot BP was to save from the first death.

Vedith · Mon Nov 02, 2015 9:09 am

Ah, okay.

So, where is our bodyguard?

Vedith · Mon Nov 02, 2015 11:11 am

I don't think IaI claimed 2 shot BP...?

Vedith · Mon Nov 02, 2015 10:44 pm

In post 3154, FA_Q2 wrote:@vedith - you claim that you don't think me and IaI share alignments. If that is the case and you think he is town then you, by extension, think I am scum. Correct?

I meant that you are not scum together, and most likely not town together.
I would suspect you over IaI. I do find it odd that you protected a possible town to a confirmed town.

Vedith · Tue Nov 03, 2015 3:47 am

Why would you NK the vig when scum were aware of his targets.
It was obvious that Talah was going to be the shot, and although I expected Titus to have been killed last night by IaI (I mean, wtf?!) he apparently made it obvious that he was shooting you? I didn't see that part.

As scum, if I know who is being shot and it's town, you would just laugh and let them live.

As it stands - Titus is scum for me because she is scum.
FAQ is scum for not protecting a town - If I have a protecting role, it's always going to be on the confirmed town no matter what.

Vedith · Tue Nov 03, 2015 3:48 am

Pignash is also scum for me too.

Vedith · Tue Nov 03, 2015 3:50 am

In post 3163, Luna Fox wrote:To have the events of D2 that happened, since FAQ blocked a kill on a Townie.

But it's not confirmed that there was even a shot...
We only have 1 confirmed shot from IaI and that was on Talah.
What is he isn't a BG but a RB for scum?

Vedith · Tue Nov 03, 2015 3:50 am

He meaning FAQ, not IaI

Vedith · Tue Nov 03, 2015 3:52 am

In post 3166, Luna Fox wrote:Vedith the fact here is that IaI is a town vig, they didnt block his shot on talah, but they blocked his shot on DGB. And yes it was obvious that IaI was shooting DGB...

Although I agree he is town vig, we have no proof. I'm not lynching him today, but saying that he is confirmed (or implying it) is stupid.

Vedith · Tue Nov 03, 2015 3:53 am

In post 3170, DrippingGoofball wrote:I mean, I know he didn't, I am phrasing it from your perspective.

Why does everyone think that he didn't?
I mean, Titus said that he was blocked... Why would she randomly say that he was blocked?
I think that scum have a RB.

Vedith · Tue Nov 03, 2015 3:55 am

In post 3172, Luna Fox wrote:While technically town has a lot of roleblockable roles, it requires scum to know who to target with their roleblocker, and if scum has a roleblocker why didnt they roleblock Skybird N1?

No, it's not a roleblock... A roleblock stops someone using their role.
A protection role prevents a death. A HUGE difference.

That's like asking why did they kill Skybird over TheWorst? Scum haven't been paying attention fully, that's all I can say.

Vedith · Tue Nov 03, 2015 3:56 am

In post 3176, DrippingGoofball wrote:So, you're saying that Titusscum isn't scum with IAI? How is this possible?

I'm saying I am in favour of IaI town.

Vedith · Tue Nov 03, 2015 3:58 am

I need to look back. Luna, before you voted FB (Still, wtf?!), you had him as town, right?

Vedith · Tue Nov 03, 2015 4:02 am

In post 3181, DrippingGoofball wrote:Pretend you know that I am town. Given that IAI is saying he tried to kill me and failed, why would >>I<< think he's town?

Because Titus or FAQ is a RB?
Why would they not want a mis lynch on you? If he killed you it's still Lylo as it most likely is now.

Vedith · Tue Nov 03, 2015 4:03 am

Keep in mind, FAQ claimed 2 shop BP after AJ claimed 2 shot BP (trying to be consistent, even though AJ said after he was 1 shot).

Vedith · Tue Nov 03, 2015 4:04 am

In post 3183, Luna Fox wrote:IaI shot talah N2 and his kill was blocked by IaI N1, his kill is missing N3.

That is not a fact...
That is FAQ saying that he blocked the shot.

Vedith · Tue Nov 03, 2015 4:05 am

In post 3185, Luna Fox wrote:this would point towards DGB!Scum than Titus!Scum since Titus has been paying a lot of attention to the game.

Okay, 3 names that haven't been focused in the game - Go.

Vedith · Tue Nov 03, 2015 4:05 am

In post 3187, Luna Fox wrote:Titus VCA convinced me.

Titus will do these either align - It's a null tell.

Vedith · Tue Nov 03, 2015 4:06 am

In post 3189, Luna Fox wrote:Well yes, but then the shot would have gone missing N1 since it worked N2, so we have to assume that it was blocked by FAQ.

Assuming is not a fact.
We can assume a lot of stuff in the game... I mean, you lot assumed that lynching FB over Titus was a good fucking idea...

Vedith · Tue Nov 03, 2015 4:09 am

In post 3183, Luna Fox wrote:Just by facts alone IaI and FAQ are townier than DGB. What has DGB done to begin with?, IaI did some sort of rolefishing D2 tho... hmm....

Going by facts, you just claimed 2 people town from your list of 3 guaranteed scum.
That's a pretty sneaky contradiction btw.

Vedith · Tue Nov 03, 2015 4:10 am

In post 3192, Luna Fox wrote:I can come up with You and DGB, CDB has been away, TheWorst hadn't been paying attention either but he's dead and conf town, Performer too (Speaking of, where is he?)

Inb4 DGB+CDB replacement that i forgot name+Performer.

Considering I was fully aware that TheWorst was confirmed town and said before others at the start of day, saying me is incorrect, wouldn't you agree?

Vedith · Tue Nov 03, 2015 4:11 am

In post 3193, Vedith wrote:btw there should be guaranteed at least 1 scum among Titus, IaI and DGB.

Ah no, I thought you said FAQ not Titus.
So then just 1 name you sneaked in trying to confirm town.

Vedith · Tue Nov 03, 2015 4:16 am

In post 3196, Luna Fox wrote:Dont you think Skybird kill is more likely to come from DGB!Scum? Specially with the scumteam i came up with...
If you think about it, Skybird wasn't confirmed yet for the town, DGB had barely read the game, CDB was MIA and Performer doesnt pay much attention, but Skybird had targeted DGB's Predecessor, ergo from DGB's PoV Skybird was conf town.

No, I don't.
How do you know that Performer doesn't pay any attention? He could just be lurking.
If DGB is scum, then both Skybird and TheWorst was confirmed town, so there's that... Unless you are saying that DGB thought there were 2 scum teams?

Luna - As BG, would you protect confirmed town or someone who could be a SK (Or even scum)?

Vedith · Tue Nov 03, 2015 4:25 am

In post 1973, FA_Q2 wrote:I targeted Talah last night

In post 1976, I Am Innocent wrote:I shot Talah last night.

Okay, looking here, this confirms that IaI said Talah after FAQ said who he targeted.

Vedith · Tue Nov 03, 2015 4:27 am

I think that it's guaranteed either IaI or FAQ (Not both) are scum.
Regardless to the DGB or Titus. However, IaI would suggest Titus scum and FAQ would suggest DGB scum.

Vedith · Tue Nov 03, 2015 4:29 am

In post 3200, DrippingGoofball wrote:But, scum would never want to stop a vig shot on a townie.

Why not? You die - IaI is still the same read.
It's Lylo and we then fubble over who to lynch.

You live - IaI is still the same read
You are pinned as scum - Lynched in possible Lylo.

Just think about that for a second...

Vedith · Tue Nov 03, 2015 4:29 am

In post 3202, Vedith wrote:we then fubble

Fumble as well as fubble

Vedith · Tue Nov 03, 2015 4:33 am

The only thing that it suggests is that you are most likely not the same align.
Which is an issue as I have you both as town.

Vedith · Tue Nov 03, 2015 4:34 am

Regardless - I still think that if IaI is town, then scum blocked him.
Regardless if you are scum, or they done it to push for a lynch on you...

Vedith · Tue Nov 03, 2015 4:35 am

UNVOTE: Titus

I feel more confident in looking at IaI or FAQ.

Vedith · Tue Nov 03, 2015 4:45 am

In post 3212, Titus wrote:Really you don't remember IAI said he was going to shoot you?

Can you quote the message?
I'm working again so I can't look through.

Vedith · Tue Nov 03, 2015 4:50 am

In post 3213, Titus wrote:I can't fake them decently as scum.

It was decent anyway...

Vedith · Tue Nov 03, 2015 4:51 am

In post 3215, Titus wrote:
In post 2919, I Am Innocent wrote:
vote firebringer

L-1 people.

At this point the only person I'd rather lynch more is DGB, but I'm content to use a vig shot in that direction as well.

There you go.

But that was to thinking that both FB and DGB were scum together, right?
So why would thought not change if he was wrong the first time?

Vedith · Tue Nov 03, 2015 5:03 am

In post 3222, DrippingGoofball wrote:I surmise that 100% of the scum was voting for Firebringer.

What makes you so sure I am town?
Keep in mind I led the lynch on Zakk. I wanted a lynch on AJ after he revealed. The only person lynched I haven't pushed on is FB, and that could seen more of a biased resist anyway (Last scum game I didn't want to vote off FB).

Vedith · Tue Nov 03, 2015 5:04 am

In post 3224, Titus wrote:Why is Vedith green darling? I get you from your perspective but Vedith? Sounds more like agenda push than analysis.

Exactly this.
Green should be conftown only.

Vedith · Tue Nov 03, 2015 5:05 am

When I wasn't agreeing with you when you replaced in, you said that you would ignore me going forward.
Now that I agree with your views I'm conftown?

Vedith · Tue Nov 03, 2015 5:06 am

In post 3228, DrippingGoofball wrote:Same way I was sure that Firebringer was town. I read people's attitudes and emotions.

So FB was town for you because of his actions?

Vedith · Tue Nov 03, 2015 5:14 am

In post 3232, DrippingGoofball wrote:No, his attitude.

So, FB himself made you think town, not the other bodies before him?

Vedith · Wed Nov 04, 2015 8:05 am

@mod
V/LA until tomorrow

Vedith · Thu Nov 05, 2015 12:11 am

Cheers for the game everyone.
Shame the day was rushed, this is why you shouldn't put someone to L2 at Lylo...

Vedith · Thu Nov 05, 2015 6:06 am

In post 3395, Sakura Hana wrote:Funny you say that, you were in greater idea mafia where i outed myself.

It was also said in upick anything.

Vedith · Thu Nov 05, 2015 6:23 am

Sakura makes a valid point, and unless anyone joined before April 2013 disputes it, I won't listen to their counter argument.

Vedith · Thu Nov 05, 2015 7:50 am

In post 3402, Firebringer wrote:So odd that everyone brings it up all the time though.

Quiet you 29th June joinee!
Listen to me I am your elder!

Vedith · Thu Nov 05, 2015 10:02 am

In post 3406, Firebringer wrote:lol, those 11 days really change things.

Like the fact we werent in same newbie game together ;(

Now that would have been something...