NY 191: Denmark Mafia - Endgame

[Titus]

Well Drixx you made Espy's ramblings sound semi coherent.

[Titus]

P.s. doubt it's multiball.

[Titus]

Main issue with discussion of multiball right now is unless we have reason to suspect an interaction occurring that is justified by it, there's no reason to waste so much time discussing it. Yeah we can keep in mind this if we have a vig claim come through on a questionable shot flipping town but this really isn't an issue that effects the current state of the game.

The issue I have with Esp is primarily having pushed this theory but not having applied it in any way to this game.

AJ, for your own benefit, compare your D1 posts to D2.

Like this point.

Dwelee thoughts?

Can we lynch Dave and do Espy tomorrow?

[Titus]

Dave pig and Nero, titus. I can dig it.

Huh?

[Titus]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 7#p7495057

Why shouldn't I vote you espy?

[Titus]

@Espy,

What you can't take a comment about us being opposing alignments a lot?

In this case, I didn't mean it in jest though. I am concerned that you skipped over Dave making the same sort of comment on me and saying it's a joke. Such "jokes" cause reactions.

So, your thoughts on Dave and why no comment before?



Oh I can scream scum.

SCUM! DAVE IS SCUM!

[Titus]

Espy, you said don't vote statistical oddities and skipped over Dave doing it. Wtf.

[Titus]

or maybe Drixx and Titus are scum since she won't give a read on him. i don't fucking know.

so many people I want dead.

Drixx is obvtown.

I don't want a Nash lynch. It's a counter to Dave.

[Titus]

Drixx is obvtown

ok why?

Logical consistency, highlighting your scummy/anti-town play, scumhunting

Why the hell do you have him as anything but?

How could you not tell my read by how I acted towards him?

Why have you not asked Dave questions or formed a read there. :/

[Titus]

People have whined about pig being a counter to just about every single wagon in the game. It's a bad argument based on nothing since nobody can even point to even one shady looking person on the wagon for shoddy reasoning.

Nero. Hell I hate most of the pig wagon.

It's not endorsed by the order of Shiro.

[Titus]

If you have an issue with Nero's reasoning then say it.
Otherwise don't even bother because I'm not paying attention to your useless rhetoric anymore.

What reasoning? He just sheeped you bc not Dave.

[Titus]

lol, the ONLY reason you are "scum" reading me is 'cause I'm not doing things things you want me to do.

Drixx put my feelings into words pretty well.

[Titus]

You just proved it.

Nero: Titus sucks.
Titus: No my town games have been right 3/4 of the time.
Nero: Ignore you because your reads are wrong 3/4 of the time.

Me: desires a vig shot.

that is not at all how that conversation went down.

Titus: My reads have been right the past 3 games so join the wagon that I'm on!
Nero: What does you having been right in previous games have to do with anything?
Titus: Hurry up and fucking join!
Nero: Why?
Titus: deadline
Nero: There's still plenty of time and I don't need to join right now.
Titus: Nero is being mean to me! I'm not discussing why I think AJ is scum b/c Nero ignores evidence.

On one hand, I feel like townTitus is arrogant enough to try to strong arm a lynch and then take potshots at me when I don't blindly follow her but I think she could easily pull this as scum but on the other hand I just don't care and would be happy to vig her.

but also pignash is probs scum so yeah...

vote:pignash

Counter to the lynch I wanted no reason beyond pignash not voting.

Since AJ pro town has been established, scum would vote there.

[Titus]

Why won't you vote Dave or highlight the flaws there?

[Titus]

Because you're annoying.

Nah. I am annoying because I am trying to engage you, which you are refusing to do.

[Titus]

Ugh, this pignash wagon sucks. Totally misguided.

This is another one of those games where I find practically all the town and they ignore me to vote each other.



~Titus

[Titus]

Titus who should I vote?

Dave.

[Titus]

so why are you scum reading them. engage with me.

I agree on pistachion possibly bring scum. You know how to start proving it, with a Dave flip.

[Titus]

Ty.

[Titus]

Why though?

[Titus]

Kinda obvious. Why though?

[Titus]

Why are you townreading me?

Thank you on the being good thing.

[Titus]

so why are you scum reading them. engage with me.

I said before that I'm suspicious of the last minute resistance to an AJ wagon. I trust Elyse and Titus stands more of a chance of getting lynched today.

Scum didn't get on. Their loss.

That last part is utter garbage. Trusting Elyse is town doesn't mean she's right.

Everyone has more of a chance of getting lynched than Elyse. No one will lynch the innocent child.

[Titus]

Opinion on heat, titus?

town will talk more when I get home

[Titus]

Because I already answered it.

I am not even going to dignify your Titus is arrogant read so I can act like a scumfuck with a response.

[Titus]

@AJ, Heat's last few posts did the same thing yours did. They kicked the solving into high gear. Before he was kinda meh.

@Elyse, I am down for Dave Pistachion or Nero. Work with me?

[Titus]

Look at the dramatic shift between his D1 and D2 posting. d1 it was all fuck you, I fon't have to find scum. D2 he opens with strong scumhunting.

[Titus]

I'm voting Titus because Elyse is town. I'd rather lynch AJ first but I tried that first and nobody listened.

And why haven't you considered the possibility Elyse is just a dumb townie this game?

[Titus]

Look at the dramatic shift between his D1 and D2 posting. d1 it was all fuck you, I fon't have to find scum. D2 he opens with strong scumhunting.

Well, yeah. After almost-getting lynched, he probably doesn't want to get run up again.

Him not claiming at L-1 is pinging me a bit, especially when Shiro stated intent to hammer and Aj ignored her. I have a lot of townreads on the nine-man Aj wagon. He focused more on arguing with you at EoD than pushing a scumread and saving his life.

Where is it strong? He votes Elyse based on a premise that you didn't believe days before that (that he'd flip town and Elyse would use his flip to tunnel you), calls Drixx scum, votes him, then more or less

sheeps

Drixx's reasoning to switch back to Elyse.

Hmmm.. Something to think about

[Titus]

I only like Drixx as town in that list. I am weaker on FB considerably.

[Titus]

Context list of 3, most of AJ wagon is town but weaker on FB. Poor word choice

[Titus]

I imagine it's hard to uphold a townread on someone who only fluffs. I liked some of his recent posts, though.

How do you feel about Frozen Angel?

She has language issues, so I always have trouble placing her. I don't get good feels though. GUn to head scum but it's weak.

[Titus]

I'm voting Titus because Elyse is town. I'd rather lynch AJ first but I tried that first and nobody listened.

And why haven't you considered the possibility Elyse is just a dumb townie this game?

All I know is she's the only one I can trust.

So you're not town hunting at all.

Second, to sheep someone you need to trust they are town and right...

[Titus]

Also, remember the large-ish wagon on Mario earlier in the game?

MarioManiac4 (6):

Grib

,

Elyse

,

Frozen Angel

, Aj The Epic,

Dwlee99

,

RadiantCowbells

From my POV, that's three townfirms, one strong townread, a townlean, and an unknown.

Kinda want that unknown dead.

VOTE: Aj The Epic

fake edit: can you elaborate? Is it all the fluff, or something else?

Fluff ehhhh I look a lot of word choice and if something feels right. I haven't got the feels I have from AJ.

[Titus]

I would much rather have Dave. I can't get people to discuss Dave's lack of scumhunting.

[Titus]

Find me a post where Dave scumhunts.

[Titus]

Also, remember the large-ish wagon on Mario earlier in the game?

MarioManiac4 (6):

Grib

,

Elyse

,

Frozen Angel

, Aj The Epic,

Dwlee99

,

RadiantCowbells

From my POV, that's three townfirms, one strong townread, a townlean, and an unknown.

Kinda want that unknown dead.

VOTE: Aj The Epic

fake edit: can you elaborate? Is it all the fluff, or something else?

I don't like this post.

Why not?

[Titus]

Find me a post where Dave scumhunts.

731

Or does it not count if he's scumhunting you?

That's not sumhunting. That doesn't help sort alignment at all. He's complaining about the case.

[Titus]

My worry was based on titus being the main runner of lynches and I know Titus doesn't really care for reads outside her own. So my basis of worry was that my reads would be completely ignored.

Grrr. Stop perpetuating this myth.

[Titus]

Well I'm in a weird position of not really having my scum read on elyse dissolve and more of having it stolen from me.

Also heat isn't even really around for me to talk to/read, so it's more a low-conviction thing right now as I look at Drixx and try to figure out what I think he is.

Town. Move on there.

[Titus]

@aj, detailed read on Dave please.

[Titus]

Hey, people can we please vote Dave? No more last second counterwagons. Ty.

[Titus]

I don't know. Nero will be impossible to read until he stops taking positions just to be contrary to me.

[Titus]

Titus from 1 to 10 how certain are you that dav is scum ?

I would say an 8. 9 and 10 require cop guilties or vcas. So as sure as I can be without a mod confirmation.

[Titus]

It's like you take the words out of my mouth sometimes. :/

[Titus]

I must be a terrible baker if you think donuts are cookies. who will you share donuts with?

I don't like this.

Drixx frankly is obvious town. I am gunna cry.

[Titus]

Man, I might be wrong on Frozen Angel.

Hum.

I would bet this over Drixx scum.

Dave AJ Nero is one hell of an unholy alliance.

I meet you half way.
I vote Pistachion.
You share donuts with Drixx.
I give Drixx angry cakes.

I want Drixx to get my cooking.

[Titus]

But like.

If Drixx and pistachi0n are both town, that looks really bad for Aj.

Then I has solution.

VOTE: Pistachion


Dwelee, we are doing this.

[Titus]

I'd rather prefer Dave but considering bitching only is good enough to get him townread *shrug*

[Titus]

Town. That shit is scum or townbeard driven. Shiro is my only solid townread there.

[Titus]

Townbeards are town players who unwittingly do whatever scum want. They never vote scum.

[Titus]

@grib,

The comments on Elyse are just bad. Elyse plays with me, fairly regularly. Any player that does, can handle Drixx telling her she was sucking.

The middle paragraph is a lie. Drixx's assessment is how I felt. Notice how Nero isn't scumhunting. It's all whiny crap. I never wanted a fight with Nero.

The worst thing about AJ's posting recently is Dave scum requires Nero scum but Nero's chip on his shoulder could just be that large.


@espy, the number of confirms don't relate to multiball or single all in any game I mod. This ain't multiball. Too much resistance to lynching scummy people. Stop playing under that assumption and you'll see Dave AJ Nero is messed up as fuck.

@shiro, you mean the people who would vote Mario and not AJ who collectively started a wagon on pignash and I am supposed to fell good about it? Nah. Pignash is likely town. Doesn't it strike you odd that the same people voting Pignash are completely the ones stalling out an AJ lynch when everyone else for the most part looked pretty townie? I am not voting pignash.

[Titus]

Merry Christmas.

Be back later.

[Titus]

Drixx, people don't act logically. Not even you. If you're basing your reads off of what a perfectly rational agent would do, you're going to have a bad time.

Wrong. I read the game the same way, but suppose each person comes at it a different way. Each person has a different set of information, and thus acts different. When someone is overly invested in protecting someone else, that sends up a red flag for me.

In Suikoden, Drixx and I had a lot of conflict, not because either was reading the game wrong but I lacked his knowledge that he was a mason. Masons are an achillies heel because they both look like scum because try know things they shouldn't.

Scum, on Day 2, tend to invest in defending buddies by refusing to talk about them. That's why I am posse off that I can't get a Dave wagon going or no one to discuss him at all.

Scum have basically been sitting on the sidelines and doing jackshit the entire time because the obvious town refuse to work with each other. (Reach out to Elyse).

Logical expectations are a good way to find scum. Emotions function as a backup.

[Titus]

What "facts" am I ignoring, FA?

But I just don't like the amount of logic in his arguments. we're playing with humans here and I think viewing everything in a logical surface is a kind of ignoring some important facts.

I'm not a fan of full logical arguments. I think their never go deep enough to hunt the scum. they depends on the scum to slip and come to surface.

I think a combination of emotional and logical analyses are better

If you're going to come at me, you better be prepared to back it up.

what?!!! when I said I want to come at you?! your in my town lean list

This post pings hard. Don't know why.

[Titus]

About scum refusing to discuss buddies and the Dave wagon--say Dave is scum. And you say nobody is discussing him, which adds to your scumread. But that means townies aren't discussing him either. Why do you think that is?

Because the town are demotivated. Hell conftown clearly isn't posting. I am doing all I can to get us to voe scum but even I see Dave's going to coast for another day with no content so I am stuck settling and compromising again.

If who we lynch today doesn't flip scum, I am one v one on Dave tomorrow.

[Titus]

You know , better than anyone here that I'm an emotional player. and your throwing shades on me?

I think emotional analyses are not dumb and somehow , in some situations better approaches to solve the game. you want my examples?!

I am not saying they are dumb. They're just backups. Emotional reading tends to result in detection of high versus low emotional intelligence rather than scumfinding.

It does have better success in reading those emotionally based players but you'd hae to wagon them for the purposes of reading.

If both lead you to the conclusion someone is scum, tunnel.

Now, why are you fighting so hard on your method of scumreading and not getting your reads lynched?

[Titus]

I'm trying to decide if you are scum trying to push this for town cred or to get people to abandon their usual strategies for finding scum ... or if you're sincere. I honestly cannot tell. You present like you are trying to logically prove something, but if you understood the basic rules of logic, you would already have concluded that you cannot know whether your premises are sound and therefore you cannot trust any conclusions. The only thing you can do is wait and see if evidence of multi-ball shows up, at which point you can say you were "right", although it would be more a case of a blind squirrel finding a nut in this case. Your logic is unsound and therefore your conclusion does not logically follow.

In other words ... if you end up being right, it will be because you got lucky and nothing more.

Esp and shinobi buddied. It was more obvious than the day.

this post here makes me think Drixx knows Esp alignment as well. I have no Idea what I'm suggesting but this connection was weird. this was what I wanted to mention in post 2366

That post implies nothing of the sort. :/

[Titus]

talking a lot about he doesn't know about Esp alignment then suggesting that he was just lucky about knowing the multiball thing is weird.

plus I'm voting my read atm.

No, Drixx said

if

this is multiball, then Epsy is lucky. Having shit invalid arguments but getting to the right answer to logical players is by definition, luck.

[Titus]

Why pista is more scummy than the pig?

Look at the wagoners on pistachion. All look town. Pistachion hasn't pushed any of his own scumreads at all. My scumreads defend him and hop onto (or were originally on) the opposing wagon. Given the amount that pistachion hasn't delivered, the resistance to lynch is astounding.

Pignash has content in short bursts. He gets attacked by my scumreads every time he shows up for trivial things, making it hard to contribute.

[Titus]

Pignash has content in short bursts. He gets attacked by my scumreads every time he shows up for trivial things, making it hard to contribute.

who are you talking about exactly?

Pistachion. My bad there.

[Titus]

Look at the wagoners on pistachion. All look town. Pistachion hasn't pushed any of his own scumreads at all. My scumreads defend him and hop onto (or were originally on) the opposing wagon. Given the amount that pistachion hasn't delivered, the resistance to lynch is astounding.

So how is everyone on pistachion town again?

Dwlee yeah, Grib ehhh not solid on him.
Pignash? Explain how pignash is town.

Titus I am divided on you atm.

I just did on Pignash. Pignash tends to over spew and leave as scum. I may have made a typo though.

How can you seriously not have Grib as town and me as null?

[Titus]

The amount of buddying in this game is a new record.

If that was the case, why can't we wagon anyone?

[Titus]

The amount of buddying in this game is a new record.

If that was the case, why can't we wagon anyone?

Becuase town and scums are divided. as I said before I'm guessing we're hitting scum(s) so they can't buss or defend the wagon(s) all together.

So what does that make you think of the wagon on me and about Dave?

[Titus]

You , Dave , Pistachion and pignash

I'm sure there is a scum in here. Lets see the wagons of these 4 in a list :

---
Titus —

Davsto

,

Espeonage

,

Elyse

,

pistachi0n

Davsto —

Firebringer

,

Titus

,

Dwlee99

,

Drixx

pignash —

Shinobi

,

Shiro

,

Nero Cain

,

Frozen Angel

,

Firebringer

pistachi0n —

pignash

,

Grib

,

Titus

,

Dwlee99

,

Drixx

---

I need to think more.

pedit : are you skimming my posts?

Error: Robot Titus does not understand the color codes.

[Titus]

@FA

Your wall is IioA. You can do better.

1) You state AJ and Heat are avoiding the larger wagons. What does this state about their alignments?

2) Why is Espy the best voter on my wagon?

3) What is your read on Dave? If you weren't scumreading anyone there, why not hop on and see where it went. Why stay neutral?

4) You seem to be implying that wagon composition would be a good way to vote. If so, why did you not vote Dave?

5) This needs to be rephrased.

6) Ditto.

7) more rephrase.


@AJ, That conclusion is bollocks. It strong suggests you and Dave are partners without Nero.

[Titus]

So I am scumhunting really well, no one's lynching my biggest scumreads so that means I am scum? Really? If you don't agree with espy then you think it's single ball. Single ball means scum aren't scumhunting.That would make me town.

You want to lead, then step up be here and lead. Right now, all you're doing is pushing tow and detracting from those of us playing.

What if both AJ and Pistachion are scum?

Please get out of our way in lynching scum or help out Elyse.

Town is having trouble coming together. You picking someone who can actually be scum to lynch would help out a lot.

[Titus]

Titus, when you get the chance, could you put together a list of your current reads with explanations?

All I can recall is you're scumreading Davsto; otherwise your reads seem to come and go in snippets and I really don't feel like combing your three-page ISO for them.

Sure

[Titus]

Davsto - Scum
Espeonage - Weak scum, only real content is bad multiball assertion
Nero Cain - Can't tell.
Drixx - Town, has my exact viewvon Nero. The logic and hunting is clear
pignash -Weak town, the wagon on him is shit
Firebringer - Lean scum, vote the biggest wagon no content slog
Shinobi - Null possible scum face, he's avoiding commenting on the major wagons but the ones he wants to push. The opening where he was glad to be town pinged wrong
Grib -Obvious town to anyone reading
Frozen Angel - null every time I place her in one category or the other, I change my mind
Shiro - Royalty after my own heart
Aj The Epic- Weak scum, had the wagon issues, opened stronger today
Titus - Town
Elyse -Conftown
pistachi0n - Scum
Heat - Had stronger play today, lean town
Dwlee99 - weak town, got buddying concerns.

[Titus]

I said you're good at scumhunting in general, but you haven't in this game. My reads are completely opposite of yours and you were wrong on me.

So I think you're scum. Your case on Dave is shit as I've said time and time again and the fact that you can't come up with anything besides "He treated me like scum have treated me in the past" is a testament to that. That kind of case doesn't appeal to a broader audience and you're content to call Dave scum and then go "oh well" and lynch someone else at the very end. And then that person flips town and you go "see I told you we should've lynched Dave." It's so obvious that you're scum to me and the wagon on you isn't getting off the ground because you've managed to discredit everyone on it so people don't trust it.

No the reason no one is on Dave is because he's posting less than anyone here and skating. You're discrediting me and anyone else who is active.

You had a full wagon on you as town and cannot point to anything scummy in my ISO beyond Titus is good at this game and wrong. Newsflash being wrong and scumreading conftown when they try to pick a fight with you is not scummy.

Rather than fighting, let's try to find some common ground we agree on. K?

[Titus]

At some point Elyse you need to lead in scumhunting or trust those who do.

[Titus]

Titus: look at how glad Dwlee was to see that Elyse was actually a PR all along, in addition to the comment he made that he suspected he knew it the Day before.

I KNEW IT. I KNEW IT!!!

VOTE: AJ

I am 1v1ing Titus tomorrow

So what I saw was this, which made it clear that they were a power role. That was my secret.

I thought these were really, really town.

Plus, if he were scum, they'd probably have shot probable!PR!Elyse over ???!who-even-knows!RadiantCowbells.

I Get the statements. It just doesn't make sense 1 v 1 = Elyse is town PR.

Was me.

[Titus]

Titus: look at how glad Dwlee was to see that Elyse was actually a PR all along, in addition to the comment he made that he suspected he knew it the Day before.

I KNEW IT. I KNEW IT!!!

VOTE: AJ

I am 1v1ing Titus tomorrow

So what I saw was this, which made it clear that they were a power role. That was my secret.

I thought these were really, really town.

Plus, if he were scum, they'd probably have shot probable!PR!Elyse over ???!who-even-knows!RadiantCowbells.

I Get the statements. It just doesn't make sense 1 v 1 = Elyse is town PR.

Why not? It makes perfect sense: if a town PR is 1v1ing a scumread, the PR will always win.

Plus, it doesn't matter if it doesn't make sense. I think the excitement is genuine.

Not in my book and I am surprised you'd buy it but yeah that was my biggest concern there. It also totally assumes that I sm not a PR.

[Titus]

@Grib, All of those are good posts. Pressuring Drixx for his thoughts, telling Espy to scumhunt by stating he's wrong, the inquiring about Dwelee's confidence there. I agreed with Heat's analysis that she's looking for fault in others rather than presenting case herself.

[Titus]

By the time Heat could follow up, Elyse was confirmed as IC.

The catching up post is null. She posts the results a little later.

You're assuming Heat won't engage beyond that.

As a whole, heat's pressuring people and getting her feet wet.

Is it possible she's scum? Sure. If she has less content, she will be scumread. Her posts are an improvement from D1 though.

[Titus]

Great, we'll agree to disagree there since it's a circular argument you are making due to being bullheaded.

Why don't you look at Dave's posts and try to find content from today? Bitching at or about me doesn't count.

[Titus]

Titus, what results? I want you to point me to them. They either exist or they don't. There is no 'bullheaded'.

It is an objective fact that Heat posted more content yesterDay than toDay. Attribute it to V/LA, lurking, holidays, whatever. It's still true.

If we're going to argue content, I don't know why you're giving Heat a pass.

You literally just quoted it. :/

[Titus]

@Grib, That's all conclusions and questions. He's not analyzing anything but feeling the thread out and whining. None of those are content. Content seeks to determine why someone thinks they do or push an argument.

1: These people are all town.I won't say Titus is scum but you better lynch her because I don't trust you. No substance there.

2: Says Elyse and I could both be scum, baiting us against each other.

3: Dismissises people who scumread him as play style. Whahhh Dwelee is scumreading me too.

4: Titus is likely town confbiasing me correctly but here let me try to call game solving a scumslip.

5: Says Elyse should be sheeped because conftown. Says Pignash lacks independent reads because of the fact he's pushing someone.

6: irrelevant question. Dwele is not using meta to read me. He's scrambling for something to discredit.

7: Why are you looking into my wagon? How dare you look into my non existent reasoning to be on Titus? Why are you townreading town?

8: Attacks those who scumread him.

There's no scumhunting here at all.

[Titus]

No he's not fucking doing that, he's just complaining. He's not pushing an argument that I am scum, he's distancing from his assertion (just confbias) and whining/attacking those who scumread him. That's not fucking content. It never will be.

You don't need a catchup post to have content. Words alone aren't content.

Dave isn't scumhunting at all.

We can just fucking lynch Dave scum.

[Titus]

But ohhh no it's too early to catch scum in RVS.

You're looking for reasons for me to be wrong and it's fucking frustrating as hell. I am right. I know without a cop check Dave is scum.

[Titus]

Based on the evidence I laid out

1)His RVS matches what two known scum have RVSed and he gave the same reasons
2) He didn't vote or question the day end wagons at all and they never pushed or interacted with him.
3) He doesn't sort people on his wagons.
4) He doesn't push cases but distances from his cases at best.
5) He's not analyzing content but looking for ways to attack it (wanting to know if he could dismiss Dwelee as just not knowing me, pignash has no "independent" reads, Titus suspecting scum is bad/scummy).

None of this attempts to sort anyone on his wagon. At all.

[Titus]

Oh I forgot 6) Pushed a TvT in me and Elyse.
7) Fearmongers me to be scum.


So I am looking for someone man or woman enough to handle Dave since this town won't like him.

[Titus]

*won't lynch him.

Autocorrect

[Titus]

I am not. If it does, I pray someone who actually understands content rather than whining forces people to post so I can finish town blocking this.

Dave needs to die.

[Titus]

Angry Cakes but I don't eat my own shit. I am a terrible baker.

Me again.

[Titus]

Yeah, to shoot AJ/Dave and lynch the other. Yeah. That's the idea.

[Titus]

Whether we actually can is another matter given this town.

[Titus]

FA and FB I got issues there but yeah I would expect a bussers in the middle and that means Pistachion.

You share donuts with Drixx? I get the feeling life in da kitchen may catch up with me?

[Titus]

@Grib, why wouldn't town FA claim it D1?

[Titus]

Because she wouldn't see it as an issue at the time, given everything would be hunky dory on Night 1.

Millers and Ascetics should always claim D1. That's been the site meta for awhile.

@shiro, our cookies conversation. Probably best if I don't say more.

[Titus]

You know what you could try to do if unhappy about Pistachion...a Dave vote.

[Titus]

Someone sabotaged my cake oven last night. I can't make angry cakes now.

Can we

please

vote Dave now?

VOTE: Dave

[Titus]

Pignash is a counter to Dave. If Dave wasn't scum, scum would love if I gave out angry cakes.

You have been sheeped by scum the entire fucking game.

[Titus]

Hey Heat, are you scum, incapable of counting, or both?

I ~think we have two more mislynch available? Assuming a team of four. If it's a team of three and a Survivor, then yay.

14 v 4 > start
12 v 4 > ml 1 (Mario)
10 v 4 > ml2 (pistachi0n)
8 v 4 > ml3
6 v 4 > ml4

I'd almost be willing to let go of my townread on Titus, just to clear up that mess, but ehhh.

Titus, was your angry cake one-shot? Is it gone forever?

Gone forever

[Titus]

Titus is scummier. But she was protecting Heat and she does that as scum... Just looking at dave's recent posts he's asking questions and trying to sort people.

Seriously Elyse, you're alive because you're tunnelling town.

Every easy wagon has flipped town. One wagon with resistance is Dave. I was blocked when I was going to invent a vig shot.

This isn't fucking rocket science.

[Titus]

Why didn't you make it earlier, titus?

Because I wanted Dave or AJ's death with it and there were ahem other more long term viable choices.

[Titus]

Did you not read my posts where I explained how she continues to hop on mislynches and doesn't take responsibility for them while continuing to push Dave without providing additional reasons for his scumminess? Or where I said that her reads have not changed at all?

Dave hasn't done ANYTHING since I pushed him. I cannot provide reasons for non existant bullshit. I literally went over this with Grib yesterday.

The problem is I keep compromising with my townreads trying everything at my disposal to make my townreads and myself happy.

You keep saying "not taking responsibility" lo fucking l. I am responsible for not shaking you out of your gut tunnel blindness driven by your ego. My reads are static as town. Look at the badass micro we completed. For fucks sake Elyse.

[Titus]

Why didn't you make it earlier, titus?

Because I wanted Dave or AJ's death with it and there were ahem other more long term viable choices.

So you wanted to lynch them and save whatever you could do?

Yes. I am that confident on Dave. Remember when AJ was a wagon, what did I tell you...help me with AJ and I help you with Pistachion. Both were wrong but I felt AJ was the next choice.

[Titus]

No. I didn't do an aww shit. I don't reevaluate reads without evidence.

There is evidence that my compromising leads to failure. So make a Dave town case, Titus scumcase or politely get the fuck out of my way. You've been nothing more than a pedestrian because you're conftown.

We see who is scum after Dave's flip.

[Titus]

@Drixx did you get donuts?

[Titus]

Wanna just compromise on heat?

*sees two prior compromise lynches* No.

[Titus]

I've explained why you're scum.

But you've yet to give a reason from Dave scum other than "he treated me like scum have treated me in the past" which is complete bullshit.

I'm done arguing with you. If people don't wake up that's on them. I know you're scum do my frustration lies with people who are actually town and eating up your bullshit.

Like as conftown you should be trying to work with me and explain why I'm wrong but all you're doing is discrediting me. The only time you reached out to me was to say "I'm willing to lynch x y and z, let's work together" when I was townreading all three of them. Absolute bullshit.

Then you could try pushing someone who I am not townreading. I don't want Pig. I don't wat Drixx. I don't want Grin. I don't want Dwelee. I don't want Shiro.

Who else you got?

[Titus]

Like I said I am not opposed to working together but make a fucking case.

Here let's try another way.

Give me Dave's opinion on Pistach v pignash? Try to find an opinion he has beyond something he distances himself from. He's had zero comment on anything BC he knows you'll tolerate it.

[Titus]

I got murderous donuts. I'm not sure what I ever did to them to deserve it, but I'm sure we can work it out.

Murderous donuts? You should have gotten donuts but not the murderous kind.....

[Titus]

Elyse my push on him is because he has done nothing but act like scum treat me in the past. My point is he has done nothing. Your response (you need him to do more) let's him coast.

I will vote Heat if you get the support there to avoid a no lynch. I will not vote Pig.

I am going to push and holler for Dave until he dies.

[Titus]

*shrug* Heat's not a terrible lynch. That hammer was bad. Not going to deny it.

[Titus]

I got murderous donuts. I'm not sure what I ever did to them to deserve it, but I'm sure we can work it out.

Murderous donuts? You should have gotten donuts but not the murderous kind.....

I think the donuts conspire to kill me when I'm not watching them closely. And here I thought all donuts were sweet.

Ahh OK. Gotcha for a second there I thought you said I got your vig.

[Titus]

Can you do a full reads list?

We can stop bickering when Elyse starts using facts. Pretty simple.

[Titus]

Dav is scum.

Vote:Dav

Last time doubting Titus when I really town read her

Thank you.

[Titus]

@Elsye, I backed up my assertions plenty. Dave then quit posting intelligently. *shrug*

[Titus]

Grib if I say I'm one of them that's a claim

If I say I'm not one of thats a claim as well. I don't think there are to many options outside this.

what do you expect me to do?

Millers Ascetics and Neg Utility Claim D1 for just that part.

[Titus]

@Grib, I believe that happened in Stevens Universe Mafia.

Oh and I could go for that list. I know the evidence on Heat is damning but for some illogical reason I like Heat.

Maybe Shiro can look into it.

[Titus]

@Grib, I believe that happened in Stevens Universe Mafia.

Oh and I could go for that list. I know the evidence on Heat is damning but for some illogical reason I like Heat.

Maybe Shiro can look into it.

You're bad.

Say that to me after Dave flips scum.

[Titus]

Subject: STEVEN UNIVERSE MAFIA - GAME OVER

"What about if you eat a hotdog? Who's stomach does it go into? Or do you share the same stomach?"

-Steven,

Giant Woman

VOTECOUNT 1.24

Beer (8):

Replace in, NicCage, Fluminator, Marquis, vezokpiraka, vezokpiraka, Skybird, Ricastle

Replace in (4):

TunnelWarriors, Trench Warfare, MaxwellPuckett, CooLDoG

Thefuzzylogic99 (3):

Sonic X, grapes, Cheetory6

Reasonably Rational (2):

grapes, Bins

Sonic X (1):

Beer

Bins (1):

Thefuzzylogic99

Not Voting (3):

Mastin2, Ra9in9 Bull, Reasonably Rational

With 20 Alive, it takes 11 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2015-07-13 06:50:00)

Scum only got on this wagon after it was inevitable. My scumteam (I was Trench Warfare) was like lol if town wanna vote town, we aren't going to stop them.

[Titus]

Oh fuck nm Fluminator was scum. Derp Derp.

[Titus]

Heat is likely scum

He even put Dav in that ambiguous null but bottom null in his reads

Oh fuck nm Fluminator was scum. Derp Derp.

Wrong game Titus?

No. I was saying D1 all town staled wagons can happen. I meant that game as evidence but forgot Fluminator was my buddy that cast a useless vote.we all avoided voting beer deliberately so town would implode on itself.

[Titus]

Yeah...that's a hell of a lot of protective power here...

Even night ascetic?

[Titus]

I wonder why they killed AJ period. A lot of people, myself included, thought either he or pistachio had to be scum. Pistachios town flip painted him in a bad light. Maybe it was a vig kill.

If so where is the maf kill? Our doc is dead.

Attacking my town block is a motive for killing AJ.

[Titus]

Bahhhhh

@elyse, still love you...

[Titus]

Phew. I hate LyLo as town.

I had a verrrrrry rocky start but ultimately had a lot of fun! Gj everyone, and way to hang in there Espeo.

I do have to commend Frozen's earlier play as well. That was really good. Everyone else, I had fun playing with you. Sorry again Titus

Lol @ me revealing on Day 2 and making it to LyLo.

I've been working on my non-mislynchability as town. Partially cause of this game. We'll see how it goes.

[Titus]

Yay! Did you catch my crumb Titus? I saw yours so I knew you were town.

Not consciously but I kinda always felt you were town. Maybe that's why.

[Titus]

I kinda left quite a few crumbs. Flavor miller maybe was obligatory though.

[Titus]

FA, why wasn't I shot?

Oh and game wasn't townsided. We lynched scum for 3 or 4 lynches in a row and won in lylo.

[Titus]

Yeah.
tbh the FA/Espe team could very easily have won if it weren't for the fact that Copenhagen got systematically lynched then the roleblocker guilty.
Although to be fair there were 0 cross kills this game which made it immensely tough for town, but considering the D1 and D2 lynches...

I regret ever leaving Dave but at the same time people say compromise more.

When I do compromise, I get like 75% town lynches and my stubborn target is almost always scum.
When I don't compromise and my target gets lynched, more likely than not it's town.

Kind of an interesting predicament. *shrug*

[Titus]

We'll try again in a longer game after I hydra with a few others.

I am thinking about changing my current sig to incorporate what I just posted. :s

[Titus]

@FA *hugs*

@Plot *hugs*

@Dave *hugs*

Group hug?

[Titus]

I regret ever leaving Dave but at the same time people say compromise more.

When I do compromise, I get like 75% town lynches and my stubborn target is almost always scum.
When I don't compromise and my target gets lynched, more likely than not it's town.

Kind of an interesting predicament. *shrug*

I think the key to avoiding this is to learn to read cues from the game state and the way wagons develop.
Not sure how to explain it because it's mostly an instinct thing for me.

Rc had a scum tell of me. and that was really accurate. i get frustrated and ask people to leave me alone when I'm really guilty. I'm siriously hiding it after he compromised it like that. if you want to have an emotional read on me first put everyone else aside. Imagine yourself as me / in the craziest emotional matter/ then think I do them as town or scum. or you fail.

GET OUT OF HERE!!!

lol.

That comment is pretty funny but probably exactly what Someone else I hydra would tell me. Funny thing is I can usually see it in hindsight above average but not in the moment. Kinda wierd.

[Titus]

I regret ever leaving Dave but at the same time people say compromise more.

When I do compromise, I get like 75% town lynches and my stubborn target is almost always scum.
When I don't compromise and my target gets lynched, more likely than not it's town.

Kind of an interesting predicament. *shrug*

I think the key to avoiding this is to learn to read cues from the game state and the way wagons develop.
Not sure how to explain it because it's mostly an instinct thing for me.

Rc had a scum tell of me. and that was really accurate. i get frustrated and ask people to leave me alone when I'm really guilty. I'm siriously hiding it after he compromised it like that. if you want to have an emotional read on me first put everyone else aside. Imagine yourself as me / in the craziest emotional matter/ then think I do them as town or scum. or you fail.

GET OUT OF HERE!!!

lol.

That comment is pretty funny but probably exactly what Someone else I hydra would tell me. Funny thing is I can usually see it in hindsight above average but not in the moment. Kinda wierd.

I feel bad now.
I'm not trying to criticize your play, far from it. You saw where my disastrous deathtunnel went in B22. You were amazing D1 in Fire & Ice as well, because I thought Flubber was doc and you pinned him as scum immediately. I still think that you're a very good player and it would be nice to play with you if we rolled the same faction and realized it. Funny that I'm saying that in this game because I think this is the only game where we managed to mutually read each other correctly as town and push lynches together.

DO NOT APOLOGIZE FOR THIS.

I LOVE CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM. THIS REALLY HELPS ME.

*hug*

Figuring out behavior and getting people to get me is why I play this game

[Titus]

FA *hugs*

Hey Shiro, I wanted to give you cookies so bad lol. I made the crumbs centered on cookies BC you were a huge townread of mine.

[Titus]

Glad Grib and Drixx were able to sort their differences. That's what I wanted the hood to be used for.

Too bad I couldn't get Drixx a vig lol.

[Titus]

Subject: NY 191: Denmark Mafia - Mod PT

Greatest crumb ever.

From top left to bottom...

Watcher
Neighborizer
Roleblocker
Vig

Spoiler: Titus's menu

I am glad this crumb made the mods happy. Oh and no one figured it out.

[Titus]

Glad Grib and Drixx were able to sort their differences. That's what I wanted the hood to be used for.

Too bad I couldn't get Drixx a vig lol.

The Roleblock I got from Pignash later was nearly as good as.

I was quite amused by the murderous donuts bit. If I can amuse myself in a mafia game I feel like I'm doing well.

I tried. I am not that funny though.