NY 193 : Werewolf Mania (GAME OVER- TOWN WIN)

[PeregrineV]

PeregrineV replaces BeBopAReBopRhubarbPie

Hello guys. Lots of pages, so will probably do some selective reading.

Anyone want to offer their version of a game summary?

[PeregrineV]

@Peregrine:

We have an issue with your slot. Your predecessor soft claimed and then refused to clarify or comment. He said (and I'm paraphrasing here) that this is the 2nd time he got to play this role and he expected it to be different. Given his short history and limited number of games I did a quick search and it was narrowed down to 3 specific roles. What can you tell us about your role? Do you have any inherited information to share with us?

Not at this time. Maybe after some reading.

[PeregrineV]

I did a brief iso thing last night. Wasn't JarJar a leading lynch candidate day1? How did he end up being the nightkill?

[PeregrineV]

A little further reading, and I'm happy to say SnarkySnowman is the scum!

Vote: SnarkySnowman

[PeregrineV]

A little further reading, and I'm happy to say SnarkySnowman is the scum!

Vote: SnarkySnowman

Why?

-He spent 11 of the 17 day1 votecounts voting town, and on his RVS vote.
-535 but 623
-623 but 1114
-535 but 837 and 1540
-1402- instant acceptance of the guilty claim (and thus of the Seer claim), as well as a hammer that ends the day ridiculously early.

[PeregrineV]

I dont really like either of the major wagons.

I am sad.

Then vote the Snowman with me.

[PeregrineV]

Whose slot were you P5?

BeBopReBop RhubarbPie

[PeregrineV]

UNVOTE:
If ss is voting for Nero, then Nero probably isn't scum. Notice how once again snarky jumped on a wagon without giving any reasons and then slunk off back into the shadows. So scummy.

VOTE: snarkysnowman

He has you as scum too. Why would he go from a bigger wagon on a scumread to a smaller wagon?

VOTE: Blackstar

Yeah I'm back on this being scum.

[PeregrineV]

I metaed SS, and his play as scum is to lurk. Even in his own PT. He replaced in though, so that ruins what I could get.

Here's a town game for him.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

[PeregrineV]

BlueRose was on it (and was confirmed scum). Iso'd Blackstar and I think maybe the other scum on that wagon? But I read Almost as scum a lot more. From order of Towniest to Scummiest, RC, Zulfy, Piss, Masq, Zulfy, SRMP, BLackstar, Almost

VOTE: Almost

You placed Zulfy twice on the reads list. Well, which one is it?

What has Zulfy done to make you so certain that he's town?

Blackstar (3) - Zulfy, Nero Cain, Almost50
Nero Cain (3) - pisskop, Blackstar, SnarkySnowman
SnarkySnowman (2) - Masquerade, PeregrineV

We seem to have three potential lynch candidates but I want to hear more from Zulfy.

First one on the blackstar wagon; with no reasoning or explanation.

I'd settle for a Snarky/Blackstar lynch. Blackstar seems to have a hint of aggravation in his reactions to the accusations against him but I sense that he's floundering slightly. Especially with mistaking that player list for a reads list (that was a wtf moment)

I'm pretty sure Nero's leaning towards town with the tunneling on PK, if not playing a dangerous game as scum

Nero Cain (3) -

pisskop, Blackstar, SnarkySnowman

This wagon gives me weird vibes. I'm pretty sure that there's at least one scum in this trio, if not two. That's why I'm settling for a Blackstar/SS lynch at the moment.

Compared to the other wagons, I'm sensing a dynamic arising from these players.

I wouldn't mind a lynch on Blackstar, because it will provide a strong read on these players.

Blackstar (3) -

Zulfy

, Nero Cain, Almost50

I'm hesitant, because a part of me thinks that Blackstar might be town; that's why I'd prefer a lynch on Snarky. If he flips scum, then Masq & Pere would be leaning town for me.

If he flips scum, well then... i would be worried about those two.

SnarkySnowman (2) - Masquerade, PeregrineV

That's why I prefer a SS lynch compared to a Blackstar one.

VOTE: SnarkySnowman

At L-1, I want a claim from you.

Only L-2, but let's keep it that way. There needs to be way more activity before ending the day.

[PeregrineV]

Only L-2, but let's keep it that way. There needs to be way more activity before ending the day.

I meant once someone else votes him. When he hits L-1, I want a claim.

I want to make this clear.

NOBODY SHOULD HAMMER UNTIL WE ARE NEAR THE DEADLINE. INTENT TO HAMMER SHOULD BE STATED CLEARLY.

I don't want some idiot hammering without hearing what everybody else has to say. Not only is this helpful for town in terms of interaction but I want to hear thoughts from the people who have to catch up and others.

He doesn't need to be at L-1, because then he can self-hammer and end the day. L-2 is fine.

[PeregrineV]

Hey. I've read the first five pages or so. Here're my preliminary reads in no particular order.

Scumreads:
Blackstar
pisskop slot (not with Almost50)
Xkfyu
GoldenRobster
Almost50 (not with pisskop)

townreads:
Nero Cain

Interesting, you think Almost and the post about voting himself was scum indicative?

Xkfyu? Please point out why.

Town read on Nero. The only thing he said was post #68. How has that allowed you to form a definite town read of him?

Once you catchup, I want a reads list from you.

I got a scumread from Almost50 in his first post for his policy-lynch-lurker comment. I read it as a poorly executed attempt at getting town to think a certain way. There's no reason to post it as town as posting it just alerts the scum that you're searching for lurkers. His posts I've read so far also seem engineered to create WIFOM.

I think xkfyu was just gut, I might've gotten mixed up: see Nero.

Pisskop slot is for 106: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p7579403
It gave me bad vibes and seemed opportunistic, which is why I have the slot as a scumread but not with Almost50.

I think you were a scumread for just gut. My scumreads-list is really more of a note to myself to watch for more as I continue my archive-binge at this point.

Blackstar is a gutread, but I understand why it is: I saw a video the other day about how things to look out for when you think people are lying is to look to see the proportion to which they refer to themselves, because when lying humans like to refer to the situation in an outside perspective, for lack of better terms at the moment. How Blackstar's posts are structured seem a lot more "you" oriented than "I" oriented to me, hence the gut-read. 73: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p7579084 being a particularly egregious example with what I read as distancing himself from/covering for Blue Rose (notice he said "people" instead of refering to Blue Rose by name.)

Nero, I could've sworn there was an interaction with Blue Rose that made me sure he couldn't be scum but I think I got mixed up with some other player. I'm going to go look for which player that actually was.

In the meantime

Vote: Blackstar

I look forward to your own interactions with Blackstar helping you to refine your read on him.

[PeregrineV]

I think both wagons are kind of enh, tbh

I'm listening. Tell me why either is town.

[PeregrineV]

VOTE: SRMP

Can we just lynch this please?

So you would rather lynch some random mafia player than a current wagon?

[PeregrineV]

I'm unsure about this. On one hand, I want a lynch on Snarky purely for information.

On the other, if SS flips town, it'd be a big blow. We need to lynch a scum right here, right now.

UNVOTE: SnarkySnowman

VOTE: SRMP

I'm pretty sure there is a scum in SRMP/Masquerade/Blackstar just from the wagon placement.

I'm placing my bets on SRMP.

Except all you did was randomly color players read. That's not wagon analysis, that's randomly coloring players read.

Do you have any reason for Random-scum besides "wagon placement"?

[PeregrineV]

On the other, if SS flips town, it'd be a big blow

If Snarky flips town, why would it be a huge blow?

We have no reason to believe he's a PR, he's not scumhunting in the thread, his contributions to the game are below minimal, he's not providing consistent reads, nor providing content which would allow us to read him.

So, describe why it would be a huge blow.

[PeregrineV]

I'm unsure about this. On one hand, I want a lynch on Snarky purely for information.

On the other, if SS flips town, it'd be a big blow. We need to lynch a scum right here, right now.

UNVOTE: SnarkySnowman

VOTE: SRMP

I'm pretty sure there is a scum in SRMP/Masquerade/Blackstar just from the wagon placement.

I'm placing my bets on SRMP.

Except all you did was randomly color players read. That's not wagon analysis, that's randomly coloring players read.

Do you have any reason for Random-scum besides "wagon placement"?

Randomly?

I was highlighting the players who were on the Ricastle mislynch, and are currently on the wagon of Snarky. I'm thinking this could be another mislynch and I want to avoid that if possible.

You're very persistent about Snarky.

Yes. I know why I think he is scum. But it's a little troubling that I cannot pick up on why his other voters think he is scum. Or town.

Most of my requests have been for that kind of information.

[PeregrineV]

Explain this contradiction. You sound as if you have some special mod-confirmed knowledge that there's a Jungle Republic-style mafia group in the game, and then go back on it.

I see what you are saying but thats not what I meant

mafia that can't kill exist (I never said in this game, I just said they exist) however, I never said I knew there was a second faction in this game.

@Everyone: How much speculation about a second faction was there earlier and what brought it up?

I replaced in, but don't recall reading anything about it, nor thinking there was one based on the number of nightkills.

[PeregrineV]

Prodded. But it's Monday anyway, so I'm here.

[PeregrineV]

somewhat doubt that town has a tracker and a seer.

think it's much more likely that the tracker is a scumtracker.

Yeah, because they are the same except they are not?

[PeregrineV]

1- If RC is telling the truth
2- If we're both telling the truth
3- If me, RC & SRMP are telling the truth

So, you're basing your argument on assuming RC is telling the truth no matter what. Any particular reason why you won't even consider RC playing a gambit? Not even a shade of doubt??

P-edit: Is Gladiator "not" normal?

Our argument was in the context of RC being town, and having a PR. Just because I don't mention that he could be scum in one post doesn't imply that I don't think it's possible.

And the wiki doesn't specifically state whether Gladiator is "normal" or "not normal." Here's the link:

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Gladiator

I don't get the feeling that a game with a Gladiator would be approved for Normalcy. However, if I'm wrong, then the mod will confirm it, and then I'll reconsider my options.

Gladiator is not exlcuded, and is inlcuded by the fact it is not excluded, and by the phrase

Roles which are explicitly Normal for Town include:

Vanilla Townie, Friendly Neighbor, Innocent Child, Mason, Miller, Vigilante,

any roles listed "for any alignment"

[PeregrineV]

1- If RC is telling the truth
2- If we're both telling the truth
3- If me, RC & SRMP are telling the truth

So, you're basing your argument on assuming RC is telling the truth no matter what. Any particular reason why you won't even consider RC playing a gambit? Not even a shade of doubt??

P-edit: Is Gladiator "not" normal?

Our argument was in the context of RC being town, and having a PR. Just because I don't mention that he could be scum in one post doesn't imply that I don't think it's possible.

And the wiki doesn't specifically state whether Gladiator is "normal" or "not normal." Here's the link:

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Gladiator

I don't get the feeling that a game with a Gladiator would be approved for Normalcy. However, if I'm wrong, then the mod will confirm it, and then I'll reconsider my options.

Gladiator is not exlcuded, and is inlcuded by the fact it is not excluded, and by the phrase

Roles which are explicitly Normal for Town include:

Vanilla Townie, Friendly Neighbor, Innocent Child, Mason, Miller, Vigilante,

any roles listed "for any alignment"

We've already established that Almost lied so I'm not sure why you're still discussing this

Because I'm reading from where I stopped reading.

Any particular reason the Snarky wagon is gone and you want to lynch the claimed tracker?

[PeregrineV]

1- If RC is telling the truth
2- If we're both telling the truth
3- If me, RC & SRMP are telling the truth

So, you're basing your argument on assuming RC is telling the truth no matter what. Any particular reason why you won't even consider RC playing a gambit? Not even a shade of doubt??

P-edit: Is Gladiator "not" normal?

Our argument was in the context of RC being town, and having a PR. Just because I don't mention that he could be scum in one post doesn't imply that I don't think it's possible.

And the wiki doesn't specifically state whether Gladiator is "normal" or "not normal." Here's the link:

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Gladiator

I don't get the feeling that a game with a Gladiator would be approved for Normalcy. However, if I'm wrong, then the mod will confirm it, and then I'll reconsider my options.

Gladiator is not exlcuded, and is inlcuded by the fact it is not excluded, and by the phrase

Roles which are explicitly Normal for Town include:

Vanilla Townie, Friendly Neighbor, Innocent Child, Mason, Miller, Vigilante,

any roles listed "for any alignment"

Ok, so I was wrong about the Gladiator being non-normal. What's your point? I was still right about Almost lying about being a Gladiator.

Reading a little further though, "any roles listed as 'for any alignment'" is also explicitly Normal for Mafia as well. Is there any reason you chose to say that it was normal for town, but didn't mention it being normal for a Mafia group?

Two reasons, I guess.

1. Pretty much anything town can be, scum can be.

2. Almost50 is town.

[PeregrineV]

Two reasons, I guess.

1. Pretty much anything town can be, scum can be.

2. Almost50 is town.

Fair point about #1. Can you explain your #2 though?

Sure. Look at this ISO. He's scumhunting and trying to get reads.

The worse thing about him is that he likes (or liked) Snarky for town (liked his reads or something).

Also, he pressing his scumreads for reasons he feels is legitimate (even though I think he's wrong on Blackstar).

[PeregrineV]

(I'm not willing to wait until D4, by the way)

So, don't. Your vote is already on my. What CAN you do more?? Do it.

Please unvote SMRP for now.

[PeregrineV]

Two reasons, I guess.

1. Pretty much anything town can be, scum can be.

2. Almost50 is town.

Fair point about #1. Can you explain your #2 though?

Sure. Look at this ISO. He's scumhunting and trying to get reads.

The worse thing about him is that he likes (or liked) Snarky for town (liked his reads or something).

Also, he pressing his scumreads for reasons he feels is legitimate (even though I think he's wrong on Blackstar).

I'm assuming, since you're telling me to read his ISO, that you've actually read his ISO? And you really believe the worst thing about him was his town read, way back in D1, on Snaryky? None of the other stuff bothers you more than that?

Like what? Scumreading other players for stupid things? Been there and done that, always as town.

Faking gladiator? I've faked worse. And it caused activity, putting himself in a (albeit fake) 1v1 with a player he claims is scum. Scum doesn't focus the spotlight on themsleves that way, because they cannot afford to lose 1 scum and only kill 1 town. (Yes, some players do draw that kind of attention to themselves, but some other players won't lynch them if the mod came in and confirmed they were scum).

Anyways, sorry to ramble. Why do you think he scum?

[PeregrineV]

No.

You lynch SRMP. Snarky is a townread.

Btw I virtually guarantee you guys PeregrineV is scum as well.

That's OK. I have you as a scumread now.

"Tracker and cop in the same game?!? Inconceivable!!!"

[PeregrineV]

We are lynching SRMP today. end story.

if he were town tracker scum would be all over getting this lynch done and blaming me for it.

there's a reason it's not happening. there's no tracker+seer+<-- in one setup.

enough of your crap. don't let him lurk this wagon out. lynch him.

Hey remember pages 1-71 when you had no suspicion or interaction with SRMP, and then on page 72 you voted him and pushed him like crazy?

And this day1 before you found out ika's claim was real?

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And now you are trying to soft some sort of investigative role, but didn;t feel that need when ika's role came back with a guilty on BlueRose?
You believed that guilty.

So, tell me why you think SnarkySnowman is town.

[PeregrineV]

@RC: I do admire your efforts, I promise. If you are sum then you deserve the win IMHO. If you are town I don't wish to disappoint you. So, either way.. get someone to put SRMP @ L-1 and I WILL hammer.

OK, it's not about "deserve the win". Keep that shit for post-game bitching. Play to win or don't play.

And

@Xkfyu

, shit like this IS scummy, so if this is one of your reasons for Almost50=scum, then you are right.

[PeregrineV]

I don't need to.

You're not stopping my SRMP wagon.

If you want to be town, you can help me lynch scum. If you want to be scum/policy lynch material, carry on as you're carrying on.

I have no reason to disbelieve a Seer claim.

You were voting Blackstar, then pisskop, then jumped on te Snarky wagon until 20 pages ago when you became vote number 3 on the player Blackstar (a scumread of yours from day2), and pisskop (your current vote) were both voting.

Your not trying to scumhunt or lynch scum, your just trying to lynch anyone not one your scumteam.

Vote: RadiantCowbells

[PeregrineV]

And yeah, both of us called Soren/TTH in the 600s in Etl's game.

Why are your reads so different from mine here, Peregrine?

I've pointed out what it looks like to me. A page 72 vote on a player being voted by a scumread and pisskop (a scumread? Not sure, becuase you were voting him, but don't seem to be actually pushing him).

And once SMRP claims tracker, you say that a cop and tracker in the same game is too powerful for town?
That's not true.

And once he claims, you push even harder for his lynch?

Plus everything else I pointed out.

[PeregrineV]

Oh, and that's not a sorting post in 2445.
That's an attempt to discredit.
0 sorting intent in it.

Yes, I am discrediting that fact you have any reason whatsoever to think SMRP is actual scum.

I am discrediting the fact that you think his role can't exist, yet believed in the Seer claim when he could have been faking it (as ika will do).

Sorting you? That's what I'm doing now.

[PeregrineV]

Pere, I think you're better than this.
We were entirely in sync in ETL's game. Besides my&Postie's errant scumread on Kaboose, we agreed on everything.
We both had the scumpool narrowed to the same two people at about the same time.

Why are you disagreeing with every single read that I fucking have this game if you're not scum?

You scumreads seem to include Blackstar, me, and the guy who claimed tracker.

One is 100% wrong.

The other seems wrong (Blackstar) based on hat I've read of his ISO.

The last is based on the strength of the push on him for no reasons I can find. And once he claimed, they came faster and stronger.

And no, I'm pretty bad at this game. But when you do things that scum do, then I tend to think you are scum.

In the ETL game, the same principle by which I figured TTH/Soren and ignored the town infighting is the same thing which causes me to ignore it here.

[PeregrineV]

I don't need to.

You're not stopping my SRMP wagon.

If you want to be town, you can help me lynch scum. If you want to be scum/policy lynch material, carry on as you're carrying on.

I have no reason to disbelieve a Seer claim.

You were voting Blackstar, then pisskop, then jumped on te Snarky wagon until 20 pages ago when you became vote number 3 on the player Blackstar (a scumread of yours from day2), and pisskop (your current vote) were both voting.

Your not trying to scumhunt or lynch scum, your just trying to lynch anyone not one your scumteam.

Vote: RadiantCowbells

I jumped off SS long before momentum had stopped there.
PK vote was never a serious contender.
I was townreading Blackstar because of associatives at the time, remember?

I'm scumhunting the shit out of the game. You don't seem to be since we don't agree on any reads.

I'll assume you can't bus your teammates every game, or else they would have already lynched you in this one.
Plus, just because you did it once or twice, why would I expect it again?

What are your full reads on all living players, and the rationale and documentation behind those reads?

[PeregrineV]

Pisskop isn't a scumread. I'm just mildly concerned by the possibility of multiball.

Oh, it's not true; but I have more information than you about the setup, don't I? Or do I? You seem pretty informed.

Because the way it looks like to you looks like scum hard defending to me.

Then make your case(s). Maybe your'll convince me.

[PeregrineV]

Oh, and that's not a sorting post in 2445.
That's an attempt to discredit.
0 sorting intent in it.

Yes, I am discrediting that fact you have any reason whatsoever to think SMRP is actual scum.

I am discrediting the fact that you think his role can't exist, yet believed in the Seer claim when he could have been faking it (as ika will do)

.

Sorting you? That's what I'm doing now.

No, this isn't sorting.

This is discrediting.

I don't feel any impetus from you to discover my alignment.

I guess we'll see how you respond past disagreeing with me when I agree with you.

All I feel from you is a desire to discredit me and try to keep SRMP alive.

Meh. You have no town reason to suspect him.

[PeregrineV]

Like you're clearly not talking TO me.
You're talking AT me. You're making a show for other players to look at and try to make me look less desirable as a leader.
You are not trying to sort me and you cannot pretend that you are.

We are lynching SRMP today. end story.

Actually we are, you see.

Overall, I'm feeling Peregrine scum. I don't want to explore this today because I don't have all the reasoning to it but tomorrow I'd definitely be willing to put together something. We need SRMP to post and if nothing is said from that slot, that'll have to be our lynch.

Just lynch him.

We'll see. You can be a leader and respond to 2473 and help me see why you are right. Or at least where you are coming form.

[PeregrineV]

We are lynching SRMP today. end story.

But, we're not.

If SMRP flips scum, then almost will basically be confirmed as his scum partner and we can lynch him tomorrow

Show an association with posts and shit.

[PeregrineV]

Like Town!Tracker doesn't whine that they're getting random lynched.
Town!Tracker doesn't claim in the way he did.
Town!Tracker doesn't refuse to share results.

So many reasons to lynch him here that don't depend on being me.

Yes they do. Town VTs whine when they get voted by 2 players. You know this.
Yes they do. Town doesn't want to claim, because then they become a target.
Yes they do. If he tracked a doc or some such, he has no reason to share it. If he tracked a townread (who was really scum) of his to another player, but not the NK, he wouldn't share that. There are lots of reasons

I too am disagreeing with every single read that you have this game, or at least the ones that have mattered so far. I was right, and you were wrong, about one, and it remains to be seen who is right about the other one. But you're 0-1 with your reads, and you were even super confident about that one. So, why the hell would I agree with you?

Or do you still think I'm scum?

I explained why I was voting Ricastle. He was refusing to engage me.
Town!Ricastle is a fighter usually and him not fighting at all made me scumread him.

I still think you're a decent scum candidate, yes.

I'll assume you can't bus your teammates every game, or else they would have already lynched you in this one.
Plus, just because you did it once or twice, why would I expect it again?

What are your full reads on all living players, and the rationale and documentation behind those reads?

Again, this is meant to discredit.
You know full well that I'm not going to waste my time doing all that shit when I'm the inevitable night kill.

Yet here you are day3. With some pretty bad reads.

Why don't you try it and see where it gets you?

[PeregrineV]

Everyone that I'm scumreading is trying to do anything besides vote SRMP.

I'm positive this is scum.

Can we like get an actual gladiate on him now please?

Then make your case(s). Maybe your'll convince me.

Don't give a shit about convincing you because you're scum.

I'm fairly sure town is already swayed to lynch SRMP anyway so I don't need to worry about you.

Don't do it for me. Do it for the rest of the town-aligned players who need your leadership in these dark times.

[PeregrineV]

Remember this line after me and SRMP have both flipped.

Will do.

[PeregrineV]

Has RC full claimed yet? Like I don't really want to trust RC that his role and SRMP's can't co-exist.

Dude.....

[PeregrineV]

We are lynching SRMP today. end story.

But, we're not.

If SMRP flips scum, then almost will basically be confirmed as his scum partner and we can lynch him tomorrow

Show an association with posts and shit.

He fake claimed gladiator in order to protect SMRP. As soon as SMRP was close to getting lynched he started aggressively protecting him and trying to get me lynched. How is that not an association?

Without reading, I'm guessing he was finding you scummy and was being ignored about it. So he tried to make the focus of the issue to be YOU.

So, do you have anything else. Like from day1, or early day3.

[PeregrineV]

You're not doing a good job of getting people to want to listen to you. Dial back the sarcasm a bit

[PeregrineV]

Without reading, I'm guessing he was finding you scummy and was being ignored about it. So he tried to make the focus of the issue to be YOU.

So, do you have anything else. Like from day1, or early day3.

I have a fair amount in 2456. Did you ignore all that, after you asked for it?

No, time.

You gave me links.

I have to:
1. Go to each link and read it.
2. Understand why you think he was scummy for each link.
3. Look for any response by Almost50
4. See if it's scummy.

That takes time, preferably uninterrupted.

[PeregrineV]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php?k ... mit=Search

I'll give him a few more hours.

[PeregrineV]

Peregrine, did you have a chance to take a look at my posts about why I think Almost50 is scum yet?

Nope. Today I am receiving a adverse performance review for reasons known only to my manager.

In honor of giving a shit, I will be working while doing light mafia reading.

Today is not the day for analysis.

But in other news, any votes on you are dumb.

[PeregrineV]

Blackstar/Xyfu are scumbuddies.

See, stuff like this makes me think you aren't even trying....

[PeregrineV]

@Frag- Thanks for modding and letting me hunt werewolves while being/eating rhubabarb pie.