Large Normal 205: Sibling's Love and Quarrel [Endgame]

[Vedith]

Thank you

Kraska can be scum, and I appreciate you not being toxic about it going forward.

Now lets work together and lynch scum.

Who's Scum? Not sure if I'll agree with it being Nos.
But I'm open to others

[Vedith]

Kraska or why I could lynch.
Maybe Steel too.

[Vedith]

Is Carca town for anyone?

[Vedith]

VOTE: WhyMafia

For now I'll join here.

[Vedith]

Is Carca town for anyone?

NOT FOR ME.

I can also vote there.
Depends what I see from her today as I know she had stuff on IRL yesterday.

[Vedith]

Plus Trans just looks town all game.

[Vedith]

I'm going to bed

[Vedith]

who are you

?

[Vedith]

Depends what I see from her today as I know she had stuff on IRL yesterday.

How do you know this

I told you before, we are best friends IRL!
When will you believe me?

[Vedith]

someone tell me who to carca case rn and I'll do it

Case Scum.
Which could be you too. Woo me, Carca!

[Vedith]

And I don't care where anyone's from anyway. Call me a slur and I'll break your face. He's lucky it's over the internet

I feel so lucky!

And you voted Nos right after you basically called Vedith scum. With no wagon on either. So no, you didn't vote Nos because of "traction" because there wasn't a wagon.

Caught in a lie!

As for the scum theatre here, I don't think kraska's attitude toward vedith matches her actions, and thus I'm starting to think they might be scumbuds trying to clear the other by just attacking the fuck out of each other

I'm not going to claim scum here, but this is very much true. It's a theate made by me and Kraska. It's pretty scummy of us both but I can ensure you that I am town here.
Me and Kraska have knowledge on each others alignment. I am told that she is told I'm town, and I'm told she's scum. The best AtE receives a day kill on LyLo. So if people want to win, we need to lynch before LyLo.

@Mulch - I believed the claim. I saw scum trying to push on Elena and I stopped it.
I was going to check Elena to confirm it but I expected that she would be night killed.
When she wasn't I was planning on checking her that night and risk just losing a check. Then obviously she confessed.
You can see when she called Trans her Mason buddy I questioned Trans if that was true as I knew he wasn't, and if he said yes I would have had them both as scum.
I'm not stupid enough to leave mason claims alive, and me checking Kraska instead of confirming Elena or looking for their buddy should confirm me as town on it's own.
In what world do scum check Kraska when they know that Elena is town?

@Steel - We have what, 1 game together that's compelted? how is that me fake claiming all the time if it's 1 game?

[Vedith]

Just from looking at the vote counts, I'm pretty sure Nos is scum

Yuck.

[Vedith]

find a completed game with us both where you're not dead

I just wanted to point back to this, Nos.
\o/

[Vedith]

Wait, who's what?
You're L1?

[Vedith]

Lynch WhyMafia \o/

VC?
Who's not voting him?

[Vedith]

I guess it's gut ... but I'm pretty sure on that

You said it was from VC?

[Vedith]

CAN I JUST POINT OUT!

THE TOWN OF WHYMAFIA'S WAGON!

CREATURE - MAYBE GUNSMITRH CLEAR! MAYBE!
ME - VEDITH \o/
CHICKADEEEEEE - ENABLER
NOS - WAGON WITH SCUM ON
MULCH - MUCH TOWN!
ZACH - THOUGHT HE WAS CLEAR FROM ME CHECKING HIM LAST NIGHT! THAT SHOULD BE TOWN ALONE!

I think scum = WhyMafia and Kraska then Carca/Steel (or 1?)

[Vedith]

I don't care!

[Vedith]

Why should I vote Nos over you?
I'm all ears! Me and Nos are best friends IRL, so I'm biased!

[Vedith]

Don't be like that!

[Vedith]

No!

[Vedith]

Shouldnt it be 6?

[Vedith]

[Vedith]

Mod I'd like to reveal my innocent child power

I mean... bah.

VOTE: Trans

[Vedith]

VOTE: Kraska

[Vedith]

There's time. Why do you want it rushed, Mulch?

[Vedith]

5/10 people posted and already L1...
UNVOTE: Kraska

I'm going to bed. No quick lynches.

[Vedith]

You've never acted like that in your life and you have been the one pushing kraska all game, wtf are you afraid of?

Why do you want the day over already?

[Vedith]

You've never acted like that in your life and you have been the one pushing kraska all game, wtf are you afraid of?

Why do you want the day over already?

There is no point waiting, and Kraska is scum.

How do you know? What if town has information?
No rushing. Keep it up and I'll lock vote you.

[Vedith]

I know because every post of theirs is shit

I don't care if she tells us she's Scum.
You're acting like we have to lynch her now or never.

[Vedith]

Vedith did you cop Chicadee last night?

No. Enabler can be either align and I believe the claim.

[Vedith]

Vedith did you cop Chicadee last night?

No. Enabler can be either align and I believe the claim.

When have you seen a mafia enabler?

I've seen it a couple of times but not in the last 4 months so I can't remember the games.
It's more common in town because otherwise town are penalised for getting right on lynching when scum.
That's why the claim doesn't bother me.

The only thing that worries me is that LUV wasn't a strong kill, but Chickadeeeee also killed LUV in Breaking Bad. Since he can read her, as Scum she would want him dead.

But that's not where I'm interested today.

[Vedith]

Why would you want me to check her then?

[Vedith]

Why would you want me to check her then?

To confirm them? I didn't know that mafia could enablers

Ah okay.
Yeah. Just checked the wiki description and it says normally town but can be Scum there too.
Also says about town enabler for Scum and Scum enabler for town (which I dislike).

[Vedith]

The IS level of this game just dropped

[Vedith]

IQ as well. Apparently my phone doesn't like that.

[Vedith]

Vedith pissed me off this game but he's super town.

Why do I Piss you off?

[Vedith]

Vedith pissed me off this game but he's super town.

Why do I Piss you off?

the whole kraska77 Vedith thing was the most useless thing ever done in a mafia game if shes town like i said

And if Kraska is Scum, does that mean I still pissed you off for calling it out?

[Vedith]

and if she is town you need to understand how most people won't threaten replace as scum because it's not ethical and borderline tactical play

I've seen plenty of Scum replace out because they are pushed as Scum.

[Vedith]

I dunno I think we've had the conversation already. Didnt you say you then would have had her caught for the wrong reasons? So I would be pissed off but my feelings wouldn't be justified entirely. You don't need to play toxic to lynch scum though thats the big thing

No. I believe my reasons to be right.
But my point was if people Scum read her as different reasons does it matter to not vote her?
Keep in mind that some if those reasons was because if our debate.

So given that you're only pissed me at me if I'm wrong, then why are you bringing this up now?

[Vedith]

Only bringing it up now...? Did u forget when I raged on u and voted k77 that day for like 45 minutes :/

I didn't say only now. But it just strikes me as an odd comment to make.

I don't think I'm in a right place today so I'm just going to avoid Mafia until tomorrow where I'll 're look at this game.

[Vedith]

If you're right you were still toxic lol that's the thing though

Don't behave like that

Kraska was just as toxic as me.
So why are you showing anger to my play but not here?

[Vedith]

*Hers

[Vedith]

Who was threatening to replace out?

Kraska

[Vedith]

I must have not been here then? the whole cunt incident and how you handled that was wayy worse than anything she posted

Don't say shit.
Just lynch scum.

VOTE: kraska

fuck off

Don't say shit.
Just lynch scum.

VOTE: kraska

fuck off

No. You don't get to push having a PR when you don't.

no seriously fuck off ure beginning to get on my nerves

Kraska is scum.
She was trying to push Elena as scum by implying Elena knew she was a PR.

I'm a rolecop and Kraska is vanilla.

ure fucking stupid

replace me

if i stay im gonna lash out at this idiot

Actually if vedith continues being insufferable we could just wotc him out

Fuck off moron, whenever i get the chance, i throw shit that insinuates I'm a pr to draw the nightkill. And whenever people sound like they're taking it seriously (like you for fucking example) or acting on it I retract it immediately and make it clear im not serious
But your a a moron

Zach don't waste time on that moron
He's been pestering me since daystart this isn't even about he thinking I'm "caught" he just wants to annoy me

Zach stop engaging stupid

Vedith you're' being a ass just for the sake of being one you're not shading or trying to find scum it's just pure being an asshat

literally search "kraska" in his iso and u'll see im in almost every fucking post he made this game ven before he outed himself like the moron that he is. if that isnt enough proof that hes intentionally pestering me then i dont know what is

So Vedith:

If kraska is scum you've pushed her for the wrong reasons and you yanked me into this shit for no reason when that was ALREADY a townread of mine, so you scumread me for excessive defense when really I was just doing what came natural.

Except if she's town like I say, what changes for you in terms of reads?.... I was trying to work with you low key. This is probably the scenario we're in

I'm over it.
Enjoy your win.

after creating 20 pages of spam.
while youre at it, replace out.

So, Zach, you are saying that this isn't toxic? And all because I was calling her scum.
You think that calling someone scum means she can post like this, but when I call her a cunt for it all, I'm the toxic one and not her?

[Vedith]

but you know my position was that I thought she was town and your push made no sense


So if I see you as instigating it that's how I'm going to interpret the situation

So because you didn't agree with my reasons on calling her scum there, I was instigating all of her posts because I believed that she was scum?

So if you are voting Nos, and I don't understand your reasoning, should I just keep calling you stupid, moron and antagonise you for it in every post?

[Vedith]

If you want me to call k77 toxic then I can but you're... Im trying to do something else today .. like lynch Nos

But this brings me back to my point, it was a strange time for you to try and make your comment on me pissing you off from yesterday.
If you didn't want it discussed, why would you bring it up?

[Vedith]

OMG Creature you're stupid, you moron, I don't get your reasoning here!
REPLACE ME BECAUSE I'M ABOUT TO BLOW UP AT CREATURE
Actually don't replace me, just don't talk to me

OMG!!!

This is acceptable to Zach, apparently, as long as I'm not calling anyone a cunt, I can post this like all day.

[Vedith]

OMG ZACH YOU MORON FOR VOTING NOS
I'M ABOUT TO BLOW UP AT YOU!

[Vedith]

OMG I AM SHAKING FROM ZACH SAYING I AM MAKING THIS PERSONAL!!
YOU IDIOT ZACH JUST FUCK OFF I AM SO MAD

REPLACE ME
NO DON'T REPLACE ME

ZACH IS SCUM THE MORON

[Vedith]

That's what I thought.
Try not talking shit to me next time.

[Vedith]

Oh yeah ofcourse you've done nothing here to warrant my reaction, take everything I said out of context and leave out pages of your insufferable spam and call me toxic
Fuck off

OMG DON'T SPEAK TO ME!
I AM SHAKING RIGHT NOW I AM THAT ANGRY!

[Vedith]

I'm saying I'd LYNCH those vedith

huh?

[Vedith]

What's wrong with a massclaim rigght now? We have 2 mislynches and we need all the information we can get.

Why mass claim when the person you want to lynch will claim VT?

[Vedith]

I haven't gotten my way once with my preferred lynch target the entire game. Please, for the love of God, someone sheep me on Kraska. PLEASE

Who were your list of choices again?
Throughout the game.

[Vedith]

Narna, Kraska


Those are my two main scum pushes.

Was Kaboose one?
And no one else, no?

[Vedith]

Okay, I was actually asking because I couldn't remember.
Who else is scum?

[Vedith]

I give you 3 bullets. Who do you shoot?

[Vedith]

I think Zach could be a partner for Kraska but usually scum aren't this obvious, but I think it's a distinct possibility. I think there is Kraska and probably Zach, then one scum in Steel/Nos//Vedith/Carcalilly with an outside shot at Chicadee

Okay, you have a fair point. However, Zach thought I was checking him the night before last and came in the thread slightly smug, and said I should confirm him town or something, I forget.
Why does scum Zach A - Let me check him B - Think i will read the result as town?

[Vedith]

I suppose you have an useless result, right? (better not to share if it's vanilla or a likely-to-be-town PR)

I have nothing that benefits town from last night.

[Vedith]

Who is it then if not Zach from your PoV? Kraska/2/3 of Steel, Nos, Carca?

After reading Narna's ISO (and from my checks/reads/game reasons)

Town
Maria
Zach
Creature
Carca

Gut says scum, logic thinks town
Nos
Mulch
Chickadeeee

Scum
Kraska
Steel

So from my 3 bullets, I would probably shoot Kraska, shoot Steel, then shoot Kraska again.

[Vedith]

It's a bad case and scum dont make bad cases against town,

It's a bad case and scum dont make bad cases against town,

It's a bad case and scum dont make bad cases against town,

[Vedith]

So Real's case was scummy?

[Vedith]

scum has zero reason to force a case on some rando townie.

[Vedith]

When Steel votes Nos...

[Vedith]

Spends the last 2 days pushing scum - Gets called a shit poster.

[Vedith]

I think Nos is town.

[Vedith]

how was vedith not here before lol

?

[Vedith]

VOTE: Kraska

[Vedith]

You can't really blame me.

[Vedith]

I'm okay with Creature, Zach and Carca as town though (Maria too obviously).
Maybe Nos.

Other than that, no one else impresses me.

So scum are in Steel, Mulch, Chickadeeee and maybe Nos.

VOTE: Steel

[Vedith]

Mass claim is pointless right now.
Chickadeeeee if you're actually town I suggest you 're read Iso's as the people you are calling Scum are all town.

But given that Nos is most likely town here, it doesn't matter a great a deal.

Why do you not Scum read Mulch or Steel?
Why should Steel be unvoted?

[Vedith]

Should I claim all results?

[Vedith]

I'm asking Zach and Maria as they are both town.

[Vedith]

Given it's most likely LyLo.
Any town votes in you 3 need to unvote for now.

[Vedith]

You realise me giving out my information today means I'm not lynched and gives us 3 out of 4 town, right?

[Vedith]

Right now I want you, Nos, Creature and Mulch to tell me why you're town.

[Vedith]

is that a bad thing

It is if there's town voting me or you're town and Zach is voting you.

[Vedith]

it's LyLo, who gives a shit

he's scum anyway why stop him revealing the 2 VT results he's got

There's 3 results I haven't given, why do you think I have 2/3 Vanilla results?
Are you all just goons?

[Vedith]

it's LyLo, who gives a shit

he's scum anyway why stop him revealing the 2 VT results he's got

There's 3 results I haven't given, why do you think I have 2/3 Vanilla results?
Are you all just goons?

I doubt there's very many PRs left.

But you want straight to Vanilla. This means you don't expect Scum to have PRs?

[Vedith]

I don't think it's 2/3

I chose an arbitrary number

I meant 2 or 3, as you mis counted how many I checked.

[Vedith]

I say we just wait for Mulch and Creature to post together.
If no lynch, then we have 2 Scum.
If lynched, then it is what it is.

[Vedith]

I'm confused. What?

[Vedith]

Why the fuck does Scum have a 2 shot cop?

[Vedith]

Well that's why I said town on me should unvote

[Vedith]

That's why you don't vote off the bat, Nos.
But it is what it is.

[Vedith]

RC's strategy is to insult the player who dares to vote him.

Right, this is my 'strategy'.

Also disagree with this.

[Vedith]

Thank god this is fucking over given town never listened to a single thing I suggested and just lynched all over the place I was coming around that 1 of my tr's were wrong given I was left alive so long

The later days were pretty fast paces, but in all honestly, I don't remember your opinions from after you were revealed IC.

[Vedith]

Caught up.
Well, GG scum. When both Nos and Carca was on me I suspected a loss as I couldn't see them both as scum and both vote me off the bat.

I apologies to everyone for my actions earlier in the game. There's not an acceptable time to react like that, and I should just leave the thread for a while when like that.
I still think I was right in pushing where the fake PR hint was knowning what I knew, but I handled it in the complete wrong way.

I just want to point out to Narna that they played pretty well.
I read their ISO at least 10 times, and each time I was more convinced that I was scum, and the only reason I didn't push others to go over the ISO was because so much said had me as scum.
A lot of my later game reads were manipulated by Narna's ISO alone as well. However, the day we lynched Kraska I was close to double guessing myself here from Narna.

My last 3 checks were on all scum.
And Mulch I had a strong scum read on going into today, but Carca and Zach could have probably kept me alive with just us 3 and convince me to selfvote.

Also thinking now, it makes sense for Zach to be 2 shot cop trying to find the traitor. I was just in a biased thought process that scum would have had a rolecop too, or something else to find the traitor. Overall, I stand by my original comments that Rolecop isn't good, and even more so in this setup. Others may agree, but I would prefer being a VT over Rolecop any day of the week (Apart from Sundays maybe).

Thanks for modding Ali.

[Vedith]

Vedith - Incompetence and scumread and started a huge flame war with kraska based off of results because loooooooooooool

also vedith explain ^ this ^ thank you

You were scummy for pushing the mason claim.
And when you were trying to hint at being a PR, I was sure you were scum then.
I know you retracted it, but I felt you did that just to play safe as scum. Obviously that was wrong, but at the time, you were the reason for me to reveal and believe you were scum.

Although I acted to it worse, I never started the flame war, as you were the one who insulted me plenty of times before I made my personal attack back.

I just ignored Ali's comment there, as I feel she was trying to bring it up as a debate again, and I don't feel that this should go on more.
I've apologied to you, but my reason for scum reading you and outting my role and yours was geniune.

[Vedith]

The Rolecop in this setup is kinda like a Miller that punishes you for claiming
I believe I pointed this out in the Dead PT.

But ye :3

I haven't had a chance to read the dead or Mafia thread yet.
It's harder to go in PT's while at work because of the annoying purple background

[Vedith]

Ok the thing that confuses me is you played w me many times before and i always hint at being pr

I haven't really picked up on that before. I mainly did here because I knew you were Vanilla.
I also did the same when Elena said that Trans was their Mason buddy, and if Trans went with it I would have pushed there knowing he was Jailor.

Bad way to play, but it's done.

[Vedith]

I win the throw award!

If you didn't throw it there, I would have just thrown it a day later, so don't feel too bad over it.