vote: godfather
vote: rolecop
I for one am not touching that janitor-encryptor.
Don't scare him until they've decided who the goon is.Post 27, Sarc wrote:Also, Incognito is obvscum. Just sayin'.
Well, yeah. My issue is that the logical extension would be {godfather,Post 77, Incognito wrote:Well obviously you have a completely different opinion about the game of Mafia from me. I am of the opinion that a town can win even in a "Mountainous" situation if the town isn't lazy and it scum hunts correctly.
From what I've seen: Patrick (town),Post 71, Incognito wrote:Meta-game me and look for instances where I've been accused of being scum while I was aligned on the side of the town. You'll see that a pretty good majority of those times the scum themselves were doing the accusing.
Four of those deaths would be common to both situations. The vig means that the town has one less lynch--I'm not wild about this, but I treasure information.Post 88, Ashmite wrote:Picture this: for whatever reason we mislynch on D1, the scum make their regular kill on Night 1 plus the vig makes a successful extra kill. Then for whatever reason we mislynch on D2 then the same happens night 2. All of a sudden we are down 6 townies.
I unvoted Incognito to keep him pacified while I gathered my thoughts, but I'm not interested in moving back anymore.Post 135, Sarcastro wrote:So yeah, I'm pretty sure this is the right wagon, and I'd like to hear the reasoning of anybody *coughEthercough* who doesn't think this is another nail in Incognito's coffin of scumminess.
What did you get?Post 154, Ashmite wrote:Nothin' wrong with an early L-2 in a game this size: you can get info and the wagon itself can be telling.
It was more "I'm afraid of how the bandwagon is primarily composed of scummy newbies unwilling to display any original thought, which the wagonnee was clearly not expecting"; lately your own adamance has also bothered me. (I am aware that {Mellowed, Babygirl, Incrediball} were town.)Post 213, Sarcastro wrote:I still haven't seen a good argument for why Incognito's not scum. All I see is "I'm afraid of how fast the bandwagon is going", which translates approximately into "I'm too much of a bloody coward to actually risk lynching anyone until there's a deadline and I'm forced to". That's justbad play.
I thought Incognito was scummy, but I also thought his wagon was scummy. As I've said, the latter was scaring me more and more even before Incognito cracked--but I wanted his reaction before I moved my vote. (He hadn't posted for a while; I would have considered it an associative tell with his wagoners had he failed to OMGUS. He failed that test, but his outburst led me to the conclusion that they weren't together anyway.)Post 272, Elvis wrote:First of all, how do we know Incog was being bussed? And if he was being bussed, we can't be sure scum would be calmer about it because they could daytalk and soothe each other's feelings.
Yes.Post 276, Incognito wrote:P.S. Trying to catch up with games.
Yes. I consider this analogous to demanding a claim, but with none of the risks of outing a power role.Incognito wrote:While talking about the possibility of me being a supersaint?
I noticed. That's why I asked. I don't like your answer.Post 369, Incognito wrote:I was voting him through Day 1 because he hasn't done much this game,
That's not an answer. Asking Xtoxm about some lame failure to summarize isn't an answer, either. Why is your read ofPost 369, Incognito wrote:My reads of people are badly in flux.Post 366, Ether wrote:Why aren't you voting Xtoxm?
Post 314, Incognito wrote:I'm being thick as hell this game. I understand the method to your madness now.
Unvote
You don't think he's cleared?Post 369, Incognito wrote:Flameaxe is doing exactly what I would expect him to do as scum but yet JDodge thinks he's cleared for different reasons than I've mentioned.
Heh.Post 369, Incognito wrote:I don't care much for your secretiveness.
I've seen him angst about how he gets nightkilled early, even when he tries to hold back for self-preservational reasons, and I'm under the impression that he's getting worse and worse. I've seenPost 369, Incognito wrote:Why do you think Elmo is less likely to be scum than what you've mentioned above? Have you seen Elmo do this before as town?
I don't know what you're talking about. I don't like that you attacked JDodge's secrecy when questioning him about Flameaxe, after supporting it earlier, and at the same time you seem to have dropped Coron entirely.Post 386, Incognito wrote:Now more than one person is questioning him about it and still he's not replying. Is this my fault too?
Agreed.Post 386, Incognito wrote:There's like about four people (Coron, Flameaxe, Elmo, and Sarcastro) all of whom are experienced players and are completely flying under the radar. And I almost forgotMarmaladewas even playing.
Frankly, I don't expect to agree with the tells when I do drag them out, but we haven't evenThere is a cabal wrote:JDodge: Coron, Elvis and Flameaxe are town!
Buncha people: Word.
Ether: ...huh?
JDodge: Isaid, Coron, Elvis and Flameaxe are town.
Ether: Okay. Tell mewhy.
JDodge: No.
Ether: ...
Elvis: That scumbag is questioning the towniness of Coron, Elvis and Flameaxe!
I wasn't talking to you. I was talking to Elvis.Post 399, JDodge wrote:This is why I have repeated, two times over, that you need toread, specifically Incog's posts.
It took you two paragraphs to get to Xtoxm, and then you just asked him a ridiculously easy question. (I'd note you didn't follow up on his, but IPost 369, Incognito wrote:My reads of people are badly in flux. Flameaxe is doing exactly what I would expect him to do as scum but yet JDodge thinks he's cleared for different reasons than I've mentioned.Post 366, Ether wrote:Why aren't you voting Xtoxm?
JDodge, what are the reasons you have for Flameaxe being town if it's not the reasons I've listed? I don't care much for your secretiveness.
Speaking of Xtoxm though, Xtoxm, is there any reason you didn't do some kind of a summary upon entering the game as a replacement?
As I've said, I think you'rePost 371, Incognito wrote:Because his contribution so far hasn't been so bad that I could go forward and definitively label him as scummy. Since he's entered the game, he has been commenting on game-related stuff even if his contribution has been short and sweet. IPost 370, Ether wrote:That's not an answer. Asking Xtoxm about some lame failure to summarize isn't an answer, either. Why is your read ofXtoxmbadly in flux?wouldcompare his contribution here to another game where I pinpointed him as scum on Day 1 but that game is currently ongoing.
That's not a comparison. That's a reference. This post avoids doesn't give me a straight answer; worse, it avoids taking a stance on Xtoxm inPost 386, Incognito wrote:This post summarizes my thoughts quite nicely: Post 118 in NG 581.
Yeah. The specific posts I analyzed in 413 are all pretty telling, I think.Post 435, Elvis wrote:You're saying incog is protecting or at least failing to adequately suspect xtoxm?
First, he was still more active there. Second, even if he wasn't, that game wasn't inPost 444, JDodge wrote:Xtoxm makes minimal sense as Incog's scumbuddy based on those posts when you look at WEM.
His argument seems to be "his contribution is adequate," not "his contribution is in-character." The meta he posted in 581 referred to four games, and 581 itself was a fifth; I definitely would not expect that he looked into Wintereenmas closely later but has failed so far to point it out here, no.Post 371, Incognito wrote:Because his contribution so far hasn't been so bad that I could go forward and definitively label him as scummy. Since he's entered the game, he has been commenting on game-related stuff even if his contribution has been short and sweet.
Post 502, Armlx wrote:Lynching q21 with a xtoxm hammer is the solution.
Post 507, Farside wrote:I agree with either xtoxm or icog hammering at this point.
I am creeped out by the number of people expressing this sentimentPost 508, Scot wrote:Oh, and xtoxm should hammer
So...I'm second highest on your list, right below q21. And you're trying to reassure me that I'm purely process of elimination.Post 531, Armlx wrote:right after xtoxm who is on there basically because I don't have a read on him.
My question wasPost 530, JDodge wrote:Where did he say he didn't disagree with that assessment in 317?
Your post came exactly 212 posts since 317. Why do you assume people will hold the same opinion for so long?
...Post 538, Ether to Armlx wrote:I'm in a hurry, but suffice to say I think you're full of shit.
No, you didn't explain Incognito.
What was your read of JDodge based off of before you dropped him from your townlist? Why did you secondguess him whilst taking other people for granted? Many of these reasons look contrived.
Post 531, Armlx wrote:right after xtoxm who is on there basically because I don't have a read on him.So...I'm second highest on your list, right below q21. And you're trying to reassure me that I'm purely process of elimination.
Tell me what I've done that's scummy. Thank you.
Post 564, Incognito wrote:Ether, what do you think of the q21 wagon? Are you still reading q21 as town?
What he said. You?Post 565, Elmo wrote:firmly apathetic.
What about Armlx?Post 573, Incognito wrote:I dislike the q21 wagon, and I don't think he's scum here. I think his wagon has turned into a wagon of convenience at this point. I especially don't like the fact that I'm being urged to hammer him by certain people. This game has been really hard to get into because the two main wagons that have existed in this game (mine and q21's) seemed to originate out of nowhere and no matter what he or I've said, they've still existed. I think people are just trying to get a lynch in without actually thinking about what's going on. If I do hammer and if he is town, I'm kinda hoping he's a supersaint just so I could get the hell out of this game already.
Nah. If I'd had big something to say, I'd have made myself clear.Post 599, Incognito wrote:I asked you specifically because you were one of the few people who came outright and said that q21 was town very early on. I figured that you might have had something to say about the people who occupied the q21 L-1 wagon.
Possibly. The real problem is that the large games I've joined werePost 599, Incognito wrote:People just seem to jump on the wagon of a person without mentioning much about anyone else and then disappear from the thread only to check in at some point to question why a person hasn't been lynched yet. I don't know if this is typical of large games but meh, it's kinda dumb if you ask me.
There would have been a 1/11 chance to hit a supersaint at worst--q21 even claimed vanilla, for what that's worth; we just chose to ignore that. Do you seriously think he'd refuse?Post 643, Coron wrote:So, there are 4 possible reasons I can think of for Armlx to act as he did yesterday:
1) he's scum and knows that there is no supersaint
2) he's scum and is gambiting
3) he's town and actually believed he was scum
4) he was anything and was just tired of the day dragging on
I'm thinking probably 4 mixed with 3 or maybe 1 is most probable.
It's a further view into your meta on Xtoxm. I compared his total posts in each game on--May 9th sounds about right. I noted that he'd replaced into that game 8 days later than this one (seven if you ignore the night phase here) and made like three times as many posts. And many of those were content.Post 662, Incognito wrote:What does NG 592 have to do with this?
You sound shaky, poor thing.Post 663, Armlx wrote:I don't get it either Ether. Stop trying to force scumminess on people through bad arguments and die like a good mafiate.