Me too vote.
And the nibbler avatars are mighty annoying and confusing.
What? You're making less and less sense. Are you saying here that your last post was made up bullshit?Blazerunner wrote: Some crazy idea, just came to my mind, and I thoguht could be fun, and perhaps usefull.
If my ally and helpful enemies got the message, and if perhaps my dangerous enemies get puzzled tying to figure out my mess, It is not as bad. Worse could happen is I die before day 2, witch I think would happen anyway.
But perhaps Iamdoing something plain dumb, and should have resisted to boredom and "fear of the night". If that turns out to be the case, too bad
Mm, missed that. Thank you.NabakovNabakov wrote:There is no such thing as a Cult Roleblocker
Cult Recruit Role PM wrote: You have been recruited by the [cultname] Cult, led by [name] and also composed of [names]. You may communicate with the rest of the cult at night.You lose all other abilities you previously had, except that if you were a Mason, you can still talk to your fellow Masons at night.
You win when your cult cannot be eradicated, or such a situation is inevitable.
vollkan wrote:Vollkan's Ground Rules
1)I use a % system to rank people.
- a: 0% means someone's behaviour is absolute confirmed town. 100% means someone's behaviour is absolute confirmed scum.
b: The rankings refer to behaviour unless otherwise stated. Someone that has claimed cop may still get a rating of 60% if their play has been worth 60%. I may also give them a probability ranking that factors in their claim.
c: Everybody starts at 50%.
d: Someone who has neither a preponderance of scumtells or towntells will receive 50%.
e: Any unreadable lurker will receive 50%
f: It is rare for me to give people a ranking below 50% (see section 2) below)2)I am exceptionally skeptical of "town tells". Recent experience in House Mafia has exacerbated this.
3)Any player who justifies a vote/FoS/declaration of 'suspicion'/etc. on one of the following:will receive a stern demand from me that they give objective reasons for their vote/FoS/declaration of 'suspicion'/etc. Should they fail to do so, my expectation is that the vote/FoS/declaration of 'suspicion'/etc. will be dropped. If not, then they can expect their % ranking to increase.
- a) 'Hunch';
b) 'Gut';
c) 'Feeling';
d) 'Belief'; or
e) Anything that has a meaning similar to those of the above
4)If you want to play in a chaotic fashion, that's fine. However, if I can't understand what you are doing I will demand an explanation and justification. If you don't provide me with one, your % rankingwillincrease.
5)Any person who accuses another person of being scum for one of the following:
- a) Over-reaction;
b) Lurking;
c) Aggression;
d) Bandwagoning (see section 6) below);
Can expect their % ranking to increase.
6)Bandwagoning is not a scumtell. Voting with crap reasons is a scumtell. I don't give a toss how many times you vote, but I care very deeply about your reasons for doing so.
7)I hate lurkers. If you do not post within a reasonable timeframe, I will bombard you with questions and, very likely, demand you provide a full scumdar with at least 2 sentences per person. If you choose not to do so, I will expect that you desist from posting and be replaced.
8)Reliance on conspiracy arguments, such as "I think X is scummy because he did Y which could help scum because Z" (keyword = "could") will merit a % increase.
9)If I make a mistake somewhere I will point out that I have made tremendous cock-ups as town in a number of games. If you choose to ignore these meta-references, your % ranking will rise.
10)If you are finding the game too 'difficult' or 'complex' either read up or replace out.
11)My posts will be as long as I feel like making them.
1. 'Procedural way to find scum', really? What I see is a 'how to avoid my suspicion if you are scum' guide and a series of preemptive self-justifications.armlx wrote:Fos Springlullabyfor being anxious about a procedural way to find scum.
vollkan wrote:There's something deliciously ironic about you criticising people for speculating about how CLs would play, and then pulling an "If I were a cult leader".Spring wrote: Your reasoning about how cult leader would play is also full of BS and WIFOM.
If I were a cult leader, I would want to play in the most town-like manner possible, so as to leave no possible angle of attack for as long as possible.
@Skruffs: HOLY CRAP! That post is enormous. I'll wait until you finish your read before commenting and/or starting an argument.
Please don't arbitrarily cut my quote.spring wrote:Your reasoning about how cult leader would play is also full of BS and WIFOM.
If I were a cult leader, I would want to play in the most town-like manner possible, so as to leave no possible angle of attack for as long as possible.
Both are plausible, so you see, my behavior can be only be said to be scummy in general.
The fact that want to imply that I'm a cult leader when my play can't possibly tell you that makes me find you very scummy indeed.
Just to clarify, do you think that Yosarian proposed idea for town to never claim is a good idea? You realize that that idea was what I called crap upon, right?Hjallti wrote:I think Yosarian2 made good points and don't see crap in his logic. The fact that your defense is a general remark about it being crap and a crap answer about every scum player plays alike I don't think I have seen a good enough answer to convince me Yosarian2 is wrong.
Could you answer this hypothetical question? I want to check if I understand your point correctly.
Would you play differently in a game where you are Godfather and in a game where you are just a goon? Would it be good or bad for a mafia-team if goon played differently?
What if that Godfather can kill one more player than a mafia without godfather, would that make a difference?
Are you deliberately misreading me?Yosarian2 wrote:Well, pro-town roles claimingspringlullaby wrote: Just to clarify, do you think that Yosarian proposed idea for townto never claimis a good idea? You realize that that idea was what I called crap upon, right?without a bloody good reasonfor it is almost always bad for us in this game; they'll probably either get recruited or killed. I'm not sure why you disagree with that.
Tell me, do you disagree with what I quoted?spring wrote: I'm liking skruffs' suspicions because the plan for not claiming didn't make any sense to begin with. Of course town should be cautious about claiming because the nature of the game, but if one is gonna be lynched anyway, a last attempt to put town off a wrong tract is only sensible, which isn't to say that town is under any obligation to believe a claim.
Assuming that blues would only claim under direct threat of being lynched, tell me Yosarian, do you agree with this as well?armlx wrote:Because those that claim pro-town recruitable roles, especially power roles that don't harm the SK such as the cop, create massive WIFOMsspringlullaby wrote:Yosarian, I'm not getting why claiming is bad, please re-explain it for me.as instead of dying and being death confirmed, they can become scum.Non-recruitable roles claiming simply lowers the target pool for the cult(s) to hit recruitables.
I'm pretty sure death via lynch is still < potential cult recruitment, but claiming outside of that scenario is not helping the town.
I took the liberty of numerating your reasons.armlx wrote:1)Opposition to methodical scum hunting methods, 2)lurking, 3)OMGUSing those who attack you for this.
armlx wrote:Because those that claim pro-town recruitable roles, especially power roles that don't harm the SK such as the cop, create massive WIFOMs as instead of dying and being death confirmed, they can become scum. Non-recruitable roles claiming simply lowers the target pool for the cult(s) to hit recruitables.springlullaby wrote:Yosarian, I'm not getting why claiming is bad, please re-explain it for me.
I'm pretty sure death via lynch is still < potential cult recruitment, but claiming outside of that scenario is not helping the town.
This is false, my argument was based on the assumption that armlx and you were mutually agreeing on something that did not make sense. But as I've said maybe I was the one who misinterpreted.Yos wrote: And your argument abotu me an Armlx is silly. "X and Y agree on some stuff, therefore they're probably scum together" is an inherently bad argument, at least until you know the alignment of one of those two people. I tend to think that the most likely explination is that Armlx agrees with me on some stuff because I'm making sense, because you're not, and because you just look scummy, which is the same reason that lots of other people seem to agree with me on the same things.
beep beep, if you say that armlx is not scum, what do you think of what she's been saying about me/my predecessor?aioqwe wrote:The more this continues the more inclined I am to believe armlx/yos. Personally I wouldn't call it mindless puppy following. That's more like people who just pop in to post QFT! or whatever.
Mmh, I didn't say that you said you were 'defending your honor', using these words verbatim, I was referring to this:Skruffs wrote:Someone else insinuated I Was defending my honor, not me. My post was reflecting on that suggestion and seeing if it held any truth.
Sounds like a defense of your honor to me. Tell me, what else did you intent to achieve with a rant like that? Exactly how is it game relevant anyway?Skruffs wrote:I do'nt know if that was in this game though, because in basically all of my games I have simultaneously had people use a basic "Skruffs makes no sense" default argument against anything I say - I even changed my location to reflect that, a week or two. I do'nt know why, because I *am* earnestly doing my best in all of my games, and yet it seems that word is getting around that a quick and easy way to discredit me is just to say I don't make sense.
Skruffs wrote: Also, can you prove that the meta I used was false, or is it your opinion that it is false?
The bolded and underlined part is false. To prove that this point is false: point me to one game I've played with you before. The bolded part shows how you used that false meta as an (flimsy) argument to imply that I was worthy of suspicion.Skruffs wrote:The only good meta on me is that townie players who play with me for the first time always misconstrue me as scum, and scum players (especially those who have played with me before) always try to capitalize on it.
That said, I sense a growing, condensing cloud of anti-skruffs sentiment, and SL has abanbdoned posting in the game, apparently, since I Asked her to explain why she voted me out of the blue and that was a day or two ago. Now she posted in two other games since then (on tuesday) but has avoided or forgotten about this one.She's picked up on armlx vollkan and yosarian's goadings and was trying to be the first on the wagon. Anyways, paranoia aside, let's look at the rest of this..SL has played in games with me before; so I'm more curious about it than anything else.
spring wrote:Then again, seeing how, contrarily to what you are saying, I have never played a game with you as town before - actually I don't think I ever played in any game with you beside this one period (not that I think the 'the only good meta on me blabla' stuff is any kind of good argument to begin with; btw, noting here the irony of the fact that I was agreeing with you D1) - I'm thinking you are very likely not genuine at all.
[/quote]skruffs wrote:3) How repeated is it? How many times have I offered that argument up vs how many times have other people brought it up and I have replied to it?
I do'nt know if that was in this game though, because in basically all of my games I have simultaneously had people use a basic "Skruffs makes no sense" default argument against anything I say - I even changed my location to reflect that, a week or two. I do'nt know why, because I *am* earnestly doing my best in all of my games, and yet it seems that word is getting around that a quick and easy way to discredit me is just to say I don't make sense.
To concede you a point, the volume of these is actually minor compared to the overhale volume of your post. Still, stuff like that just ring scum to me, especially the last '*Believe me*, I wanted to be scum but am not' thing.Beep! Beep! - It's just business as usual.Me vs da woild. It's a cult game, I was hoping to replace in as a cult recruitor, I wound up not. My personality is going to scare away any hopes of being recruited, so I expect to be SK'd, Vig'd, or microwaved tonight or tomorrow night.