Cultafia: Game over

[SlySly]

I am here. I will give the game a read through tonight and post my thoughts.

[SlySly]

I will try not to rehash what I've said over and over again...

but first, let's rehash it again in the next paragraph

Regardless of the reasoning of why I voted Hjtill, I think that some of the reactions I got were more vested in defending him then they should have been. Vollkan and Armlx, to be precise, attacked my case while at the same time,a nd I've pointed this out, offering none of hteir own.

This sounds like the play of a newb that is offended that someone disagrees with them and is going to repeat it over and over not realizing that no one cared then and cares far less now. Others in the game think you are competent, so this leads me to believe you could be stirring the confusion pot purposely.

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I think the possibility that mnowax is a CL is high.

[SlySly]

Let the rehashing continue...

I don't agree with you there; I pointed out that someone who spends their time trying to dismiss other players arguments without offering counter arguments

Seems like I have heard this in this game already about 400 times.

Skruffs, word count does not = relevance. Post count does not = contribution.

High word count, especially when starting EVERY post off with the same unimportant argument just increases the odds that no one is going to put forth the effort into reading what you have to say. Take your posts out of this game, and this game is 8 pages shorter without significant loss of relevant content.

I find myself wanting to vote you out just so this game will be a much smoother read and easier for everyone to follow.

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I wish i was that smart to claim vig when i was a CL

Your claims reeks of a lie to me.

You said you knew 100% about Blaze and that was a lie. You said you were going to target Blaze during the night, even going as far as telling him to have a good night during twilight, and that was a lie.

FoS:mnowax

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Everyone seems to be missing the possibility that the Cult Leader(s) could have killed during the night instead of recruiting.

[SlySly]

No, we are not. If a cult leader killed, someone would be found with a brain omelet. All we've seen so far are lead sandwiches.

I understand what you are saying. If 2 cults tried to recruit the same person, would that person not show up as shot, of course assuming that the person in question is not immune to the first NK attempt on them?

•If multiple Cults recruit the same player at the same time, it acts as a nightkill attempt on that player.

[SlySly]

I don't think we know what it'd look like if a cult leader actually killed instead of recruiting.

I think we would know if it was just a single shot kill from a CL.

Cults kill with orbital lasers, and their victims are listed as "burnt to a crisp".

[SlySly]

I wouldn't really expect the cult or cults to be trying to kill right now anyway.

I agree with you.

That is why I brought this up. I didn't want the game missing a possibility just because it wouldn't be expected now.

[SlySly]

there are no docs in this game

Can you please explain what you meant by this statement?

i tried to kill him and only Cult leaders or the SK have one-kill immunity.

If I recall Blaze's last statement during twilight, he said he was going to block you. If you are a vig, which I don't believe, why do you think your attack would have even reached Yos when Blaze was blocking you? Blaze is confirmed as being the RB and not culted so we know his roleblocking skill was still available to him.

Don't kill me tonight I am still the blocker...but I will have to block you

[SlySly]

The issue is the cults have 1 shot kill immunity

The recruits don't. I assume you meant CL but I just wanted to clarify.

I'll explain the set up one:

Thx for the attempted help, but I was really wanting mnowax's explanation.

[SlySly]

Did you actually read Skruffs' post?

Yes, I read the entire game. Replacing into a game is different than being a part of it from the beginning. I'm sure from time to time I will have to dig back through to effectively contribute to certain discussions.

Do you think Skruffs is scum?

I think it is possible. Do I have a 100% for sure scum read on him? No.

Do you think his lengthy/abundant posts are formulated to confuse and stall the town?

I think it is possible.

What do you think about the parts armlx and Vollkan have played in this?

Is there something specific about their play you would like me to comment on?

[SlySly]

I didn't believe that he actually was going to block me. I never was going to shoot him in the first place. I went after yos on the off chance that he didn't block me. not much more to say about that.

He said he was going to block you, why should we believe he didn't?

What makes you think that your attack on Yos failed as opposed to you being blocked by the confirmed RB who said he was going to block you?

[SlySly]

I don't. I wanted to see if SlySly did. Unfortunately, I got fewer straight answers out of him than Ollie North.

Ask a vague question, get a vague answer.

Why are you dodging my questions?

I am not dodging your questions. I answered your direct questions directly. I asked for specifics about your vague question.

What prevents you from elaborating on the possibilities of various situations rather than stating them?

I have just joined the game and am in the process of gathering information. I will clearly state my suspicions as they develop.

Why do I need to tell you what to say about armlx and Vollkan? They've said things, you've thought about the things they've said. Let's hear it.

I am not going to do a book report for you over the play of armlx and Vollkan thus far in the game. Taking my posts into consideration, it is obvious that their play was not the first thing that jumped out at me that I felt the need to address. That doesn't mean I am opinionless about them, but If you want to know my thoughts about something specific about their play, feel free to ask. I will do my best to give you the best possible answer.

Will I get real answers now?

I have started my commenting on the things that jumped out of me. I will get to the less obvious stuff when I am done with the task at hand.

But since you are here, do you feel any remorse for starting the wagon on SL-I, a confirmed townie?

[SlySly]

"It is possible" is

not

a direct answer. Not to go grammar Nazi, but your answers actually indicate the that it is possible you think those things, not that those things are possible, but even if the questions were phrased "Is Skruffs scum?" it would still be a vague and non-committal answer.

You asked if I thought Skruffs was scum and I said I thought it is possible. Sorry if that isn't good enough for you. I am fairly new at this game and his rehashing the same thing over and over sounded just like me in my first game. As several in this game pointed out, Skruffs is not a newb, that is why I think it is possible he is scum purposely causing confusion and not just a stupid newb.

You've claimed to have read the game, so I really don't see what your excuse is.

I have read the game and there is no excuse. You are just trying to create the facade that there is.

Why not? What's wrong with information, with sharing your opinion?

Nothing wrong with info. I will get to everyone, there is no need for you to try to hurry me along.

Taking your posts into consideration, it's obvious that their play is something you need to address. You've spent a couple of posts berating Skruffs but have said nothing about the other players in the discussion. Why?

There are 11 people, besides myself, alive in this game. I will get to each and everyone of them before all is said and done. I have not been a part of this game for long and I don't need your approval to approach my investigations in the order that I feel is most important.

Nice try changing the subject though.

Nice try of changing my investigation path.

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Mnowax, I see you chose to ignore my questions and not even attempt to answer them. I'll take note of that.

Can you please tell me why you were so eager to hammer SL-I?

[SlySly]

DOUBLE POST MANIA

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sorry, trying to keep up and get caught up...
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what was the point of bringing this up in the first place?

I was trying to get any and all possibilities clear for my own understanding of the game at hand. After the discussion, I see clearly now that since no one has been "burnt to a crisp", that no CL's have killed yet.

The only reason I fos was because of your reaction to hearing there were no doctors in this game : I think you were trying to set up a doctor claim.

I was going to point out that vikingfan was an alarmist and specified in the setup as (doc). After receiving the two great explanations of this from armlx and mnowax, I didn't feel the need to rehash it as their understanding of the topic was clear in their responses.

Right now, there are potentially 6 out of 12 players who are cult.
Tomorrow, it could be as much as 8 out of 10.

Slow down with the town discouragement. With your numbers, I assume you are referring to there being 2 cults. If that is the case, sheer numbers alone put a fairly small cap on cult sizes and don't forget about the term Steadfast, some players will never be recruits. If we can lynch a CL today, things will look much better than the numbers you have projected.

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im not a recruit.

I think recruiter is probably more accurate...

however it it means that i must die to prove my truth, then go for it.

Appeal to emotion.

like i said before i used up my vigging powers for at least 2 nights,

nice built in alibi attempt, while also trying to justify your past and future non-kills as a claimed vig.

id rather die a noble death and show you the truth, then stay alive a hope that i dont get recruited.

How very noble, and scummy of you!

To me, this sounds like another appeal to emotion posing as a helpless townie hoping to avoid votes.

vote: mnowax

[SlySly]

The only good meta on me is that townie players who play with me for the first time always misconstrue me as scum, and scum players (especially those who have played with me before) always try to capitalize on it.

First, IMO, scum should be expected to try to capitalize on bad play 100% of the time.

I have fallen victim to townies mistaking me as scum several times. Feel free to meta me, especially the newbie games I played in. Some of the things you are saying here are like you are quoting me from my newb games (493 and 496). Like it or not, it is your play style and until you fix it, you'll put yourself in the same situations perpetually.

Don't mistake this as me trying to help you improve your game. I am working to improve my own game and am not at a level in my play where I feel my advice is worth much more than the font it was typed with.

I am merely showing the evidence of your newb-like behaviour and pointing in the direction of where I have made the exact same bad play newbie mistakes for all who feel so inclined to illustrate the reasoning behind what I have said about you in this game.

With that established, the question becomes one of a few versions...

1. Is this a veteran player acting newb-like purposely for an unknown reason? a) reason pro-town? b) reason scummy?

2. Is this a veteran VI with extreme fluffing talent?

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The thing is, Skruffs, when someone attacks your argument, you basically have two options.

You can either defend your ARGUMENT, continue to argue that it is valid despite their objections, or you can drop or downplay your argument and move on to something else.

What you did was to basically question someone else's right to question your argument, and that's not only badly logically flawed, it would be bad stratagy.

I don't agree with you there;

I agree with Yos on this. In fact, I think he gave you some good advice if you are capable of hearing it.

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I pointed out that someone who spends their time trying to dismiss other players arguments without offering counter arguments: Just saying "Not good enough for me", in short - was not good.

Someone not giving a counter argument when dismissing another argument is not always a scumtell.

Scenario example:

"The the sky is usually pink."
"No, it's not."

It would not always be required to add, "It is usually blue."

Your similar argument here would be "Well, he didn't add in the fact that the sky is usually blue when disputing my pink claim, so that is a scumtell."

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And then

you kept arguing the point endlessly

,

even though you were, well, pretty much wrong

; everyone has the right to question anything said by anything else, or else the game of mafia dosn't really work well. Frankly the whole "argument about arguing about arguments" was

so drawn out and pointless it kind of make me forget what your origional argument was in the first place

, and

I honeslty don't really care anymore either.

EVery time he said ! to me, I replied with B - you are not attacking him for constantly bringing up the same point, so why are you directing it solely at me? And actually, I have attempted to move past it - but then when I do, other players move it RIGHT BACK to where it was and try to keep it there. You didn't

Pay attention to the bolded parts of what Yos quoted. Like it or not and whether you are right or not, it really doesn't matter in this game sometimes. When you run things into the ground, especially with repeated hard to read walls of words, you are going to...

1. force town to think you are a)scum, or b) an obnoxious VI that is going to drive the point home so far that no one cares and just wants to vote you out to be rid of your posts
2. have scum try to exploit you.

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I don't really think that's a scum tell in your case

, but

I don't think the argument is helpful

, and you (and the town) would have been better off if you had either kept it on a relevent topic "like "is X scum", or else if you had just dropped it.

Well, I think regardless of if you think it's a scum tell in any case, that you are misconstruing the situation anyways, so iti's nto a valid tell, non tell, scum tell, town tell, or anything.

Are you saying that I should have kept it on the topic of "Is Hjltill scum?" Because I have been doing that - I used the information that my vote created, I analyzed it, and I have explained why I think it's likely that hjltilll is scum. Different case, but based on the information gathered from the 'first instance'. If I had just dropped it, then I wouldn't be scum hunting, I'd be random voting. So actually, regardless of the flak I am getting, and wether I am following yours or anyone elses' 'rules of scumhunting', I think I am doing things just the way I do things, and that's really the only way that *i* can be confident that what I am doing is 'working'.

Yos with some more good advice. More fluff from you. Half of what you say is just thoughts in your head that should stay there as they don't help the game.

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Vollkan:

You are telling me to "admit that I am wrong". You seem to "know" that hjlktill is not a scum recruitor, and I Am glad that YOU, in whatever role you are, KNOW that to be the case. Basically the same thing goes to you as what I just said to Yosarian2. Your biggest criticism of me seems to be that I am not posting a case, when in fact, the 'case' I posted, which you immediately scorned, has generated a GOOD bit of discussion with at least half the players in the game involved. You think I am obstinant and that I "defend the undefendable" - I really don't think that voting Hjltilll for saying "this guy is not town and he's not part of my faction" was an UNDEFENDABLE vote. I think that, in the situation we were in, with the discussion that was going on; IE was mnowax stupid roleblocked town vig or recruited successful vig - was basically an exercise in WIFOM that wasn't going to result ina cult recruiter being lynched, regardless.

Hjltill said that, it was brought up, I put a vote on him and almost immediately afterwards, he replaced out of the game, fuming.
Springlullaby comes in, votes me without really explaining why, and you are still attacking me for what you see as an 'undefendable' vote.

I think you are exaggerating what you see as a point against me (that I voted without a proper case behind it) to such a degree that

I will no longer be seen as credible

, and

if I wind up getting lynched, YOU will no longer be seen as credible

. Since I think you are playing fall guy for Springlullabye - and Armlx is helping you with that by deflecting attention onto you instead of her - then even if you get lynched tomorrow (Which would be unlikely) you still have other players on your team.

See originally you said that the whole reason you were attacking me was because you didn't like the way I presented the case. But now... now you are saying that you think Hjltill is town, and that's why you are defending him. But if you really thought he was town, wouldn't the smart thing to do, would have been to defend him in the first place, instead o attacking me for not having 'a good case' on him? By attacking me directly instead of defending him, you were saying you didn't want to be publicly tied to him. But now you've turned up the heat, now you are publicly tying yourself to hjltill/ SL, by saying you thought he/she was town all along - which is not something you said originally - you actually left your OWN feeling/thoughts about hjtill/SL out of the arguments when you first started attacking me. Maybe it's because you feel SL is town that you have completely ignored that she voted me without posting reasons - which was the first reason you state as deciding to go against me in the first place. Maybe since you already 'know' she's 'town', you've already reasoned that it's OMGUS and thus not worthy of pursuing?

Wow, is the first word that comes to mind. Did you ever see the movie Seven where they show the SK's notebooks and writings? That is what this style of posting always reminds me of.

As far as someone's credibility being questioned if you are lynched and proven to be town, I think you are in denial if you don't realize that any point you have made is buried in so much fluff that no one will ever go back and find it.

Preview and delete the unnecessary fluff. Can you see how brutally painful it is to just respond to one of your post in full so you don't accused me of ignoring most of it?

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As for not voting: I avoided voting when I Was mafia in pirates vs ninjas because I Thought it would keep attention off of me and would prevent other scum groups from NKing me. But it drew the attention of the vig.

So, are you saying you have been avoiding voting in this game because you are a CL and hoping to not draw the attention of the vig?

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Look:

???? If you don't want to play the game ask replacement don't self-vote, it is completely not in favour of your own faction.

I am pretty sure mnowax is not town, and not my faction. He played bad throughout, so bad blazerunner got spoked and started to act weird itself. But this is beyond it.

Look mnowax, you committed to a game of mafia. betrayal, suspicion, unbelieve are part of the very mechanics of the game, if you are not up to being disbelieved and called a liar, then you ought not to play this kind of game. I don't think it is fun the way you are acting now. As said before I can see how you could have wrongly concluded on Yosarian2 if you indeed tried to attack him, but the way you react to the people showing your mistake could be labelled as inmature, caught or stubborn, but it is hurting town anyway.

I also don't like why your vote stays on Yosarian2, it looks like you considering it now as a randomvote, and only in the very first pages a random vote can be benificial for town, I would like to see you removing it. I don't claim here I know Yosarian2 to be town, I only don't think there is reason to suspect him more than anyone else.

Look at what hjallti is doing in this quote. HE starts it off by saying that Mnowax is not town and

not in his faction.

Okay, if you want to say that that was just him being belgian and poorly grasping the english language, that's fine. But look at the rest of the post.

He tells Mnowax that voting himself HURTS his faction; he tells him that he is committed to the game.

THen he goes on to say why he thinks Mnowax is scum.

If you look at what he said and try to picture why he would intentionally say that, you get the impression, in my eyes at least

(because there are some very vocal people here that don't think I can see anything)

that Hjltill has some sort of investment in keeping Mnowax alive. MNOWAX's self destruction at the beginning of the day might be the result of a player who has just been recruited. IF a recruited player sacs themself at the beginning of each day, the cult leader is always safe.

However if Mnowax is doing that he's also forgetting therte might be a secondary cult -on ethat will win by numbers alone if the first cult keeps getting sacced.

Anyways, it hurts my head too much to think about but

I think that Hjllti's disclaimer at hte beginning of the post, which is the only thing that has been focused on, is much more relevant if you look at how he talks to Mnowax and his opinions of mnowax through the rest of the game.

Personally, if scum wants to self destruct, I Would say Let them! Help them!

I bolded the fluff in this section for you. Read this section again, not including the bolded part, and tell me what would be lost had you just left it out.

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2) If you remember correctly,

I pointed out that armlx was making no moves of his own to catch scum

, and

was merely denegrating the attempts of toehrs at doing so

.

HE was asking other people to provide reasonings for him to vote, adn not looking for any himself.

You may say that that is evasive, bu regardless of my own involvement in the situation, it is still the truth.

IF you take out what I said about him

, and

looked at what he has said

, that statement holds true. If it was said defensively, it does not make the statement less true.

3) Please show me where I was wrong to vote hjllti.

I like how armlx says that vollkan is scummy for not voting me

, and

then says that it makes him look like he is testing the waters

- however I have no doubt that if vollkan voted me (Adn with Yosarian's 'deadline is upon us' paranoia inducement) that he would be the third or fourth person on that wagon.

The things I have bolded here are the things I would expect to be quoted. Call me a dummy, but I think it is probably wise to usually bring your evidence with you to court.

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SlySly: Was that really the entire thing you had to say about me in regards to that post? A cynical comment about me rehashing something?

Yes, had I more to say, I would've said it.

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The post was in response to another player - I introduced a lot of new content, and YES, I did repeat myself in one sentence.

Why did you ignore everything else and focus on the one repitition of what was already said?

Because from out of everything you said, I felt the most important thing to point out was the fluff factor and newb-like play. Those 2 elements can be very harmful to town and very helpful to scum.

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Again, this sounds the same as Yosarian from earlier on in this post, saying I'm not letting go of something but at the same time ignoring everything else I've said that ISN'T about that thing.

Who's the ones not letting go?

And lastly:
A person who is playing an alt can have 100 posts and come across as very mature, another player can put in 5000 posts and not change a single bit in their playstyle. Does being experienced mean being a better scum hunter? Armlx, you were playing on this site a year and a half (almost) before me: but I have 1500 more posts than you in games. Does that mean you are a better scum hunter or does that mean I am a better scum hunter?
The answer is: It doesn't mean jack shit.

If it does mean jack shit, then at what point between 3500 and 5000 posts does someone begin to actually scum hunt for cult recruiters? You've been hiding behind "We must find cult leaders" the entire game, and now that we are close to deadline you seem to have completely abandoned that tactic.

Sorry, got excited the end was near so jumped all the way there to close post as bed time has passed. Fluff can be pro-scum and anti-town for many reasons and should be avoided when possible, IMO.

As far as skipping parts of your posts in my responses, I have responded in full now to one of your post. I think it is brutally obvious why I am not going to each and every time you puke out a post. Lots of times, the thoughts that are in my head come across as arrogant, sarcastic and shallow when I include them in my posts. Most of the time, I try not to include those thoughts in my posts.

[SlySly]

This is not at all out of line with what I have seen of Sly, though I have no clue if its in line with pro- or anti- town behavior.

The other game you and I were in together is not finished so I will not comment about it further, understandly I'm sure, until its completion.

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Seriously, is nobody going to give the SlySly wagon some love? He's refused to talk about anybody other than Skruffs or Mno, despite the numerous (if combative) opportunities I've given him. His cases on those two players are crude and opportunistic.

My cases are not without merit. In this setup, it is of the utmost importance that the town get rid of the CL(s) as quickly as possible. I have not refused to talk about others. I have just seen good reason to comment on the others yet. This could change at any time.

I guess there's a newbie factor involved, but his post count is not insubstantial. I think this is at least something that deserves some attention (and hasn't this game been suffering from a dearth of wagons anyway?)

I am not a newb, but I am not a seasoned veteran either. I am more like a rookie. I know the foundation of the game but am still working on my execution.

[SlySly]

EBWOP:

I have just NOT seen good reason to comment on the others yet.

[SlySly]

question for slysly...

What is more important to hit today a recruit or the recruiter?

recruiter

DO you believe that Mno was once a vig...and now?

I believe he was never a vig. I believe he was and is a recruiter.

[SlySly]

He was roleblocked, he didn't target anyone, so wether he is town or scum, Yosarian was not targetted by him.

Better safe than sorry.

unvote:mnowax

[SlySly]

I don't get what you are talking about.

If he didn't target anyone, I doubt he is a recruiter. Of course, this IS assuming that Skruffs isn't lying.

[SlySly]

1) Skruffs did not claim watcher. He was using the phrase differently then you are interpreting it.

2) Norinel confirmed if a person is RB'ed and watched it looks like they targeted who they intended, just the ability didn't work.

Skruffs, did I misinterpret your statement?

Armlx, if I understood Skruffs correctly and he isn't lying, mnowax didn't target anyone. Your #2 confirms what I am saying. If mnowax is a recruiter and was watched, blocked or not, the action would have been seen. Since no action was seen, I find the possibility of mnowax being a recruiter very slim as recruiters aren't just going to take a night off.

If it turns out Skruffs is lying, my suspicion of mnowax would immediately return as mno's claims have seemed pretty far fetched to me so far in this game.

[SlySly]

No, mno definitely did target someone (or claimed to have). He claimed to have targeted Yos2 last night.

IMO, the watched info trumps mno's targetting claims.

Skruffs isn't lying, you are just reading what he said wrong. Well, that or its the worst lie ever.

Here is what he said about mnowax from what was 'seen'.

1. "He was roleblocked" (Blaze said he was blocking mno and I have no reason to believe he didn't)
2. "he didn't target anyone" (watching would reveal the target of the person being RB'd, no target 'seen', so no recruiter)

I think my interpretation is correct.

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Why is CKD cow? I thought that was hasfdgasfdkhslas?

cow = hasfdgas IMO too. Was this ever cleared up? I get confused reading the posts after you pointed it out.

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confirm vote spring

Nice baiting with the confirm voting of a now confirmed townie at L-1. It's also nice, how you got a hammering bite from mnowax in the very next post. In hindsight, it's kind of looking like scum successfully leading the voting, to me.

FoS:curiouskarmadog

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FoS:springlullaby

for not being more inquisitive about those responsible for the mis-lynching of her first role in this game.

[SlySly]

I am *not* Claiming a watcher that targetted Yosarian or Mnowax if that is what you are asking.

Ok, in that case:

vote:mnowax

I thought you were soft claiming.

You are suggesting I Am lying about something that I have never even said. Even if you thought I had said that, WHY WOULD YOU 'out' me as a watcher? And for no reason than to confirm something that is already public information, jsut not confirmed?

Actually, I was suggesting that you weren't lying. I wasn't trying to 'out' anyone, in fact, I was trying hard not to. I thought you had claimed and revealed the results of your actions. I didn't want to be voting on a confirmed townie.

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CKD, I don't know if there is a vig or not. If there is, I don't believe it is mnowax.

[SlySly]

Well, everything except any kind of logical explination for why mnowax-cult recuiter would claim vig day one, why he would...well, why he would do anything he's done as a cult recruiter.

It take his ridiculous claims to explain the night actions so far and give him an alibi for 2 more days. Maybe he figures by that time his cult will outnumber the town and if he squeaks through on this sham, it won't matter by then and what looked really stupid now looks really good as a CL.

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Also, refresh my memory, what is your case against CKD?

[SlySly]

i think that skruffs is projecting IMO because he is a CL and is trying to get me lynched with no logic.

Then why do you suppose he is voting on Volkan instead of you?

[SlySly]

(one that doesn't work if CKD is steadfast as he claimed

There is no question now, SL was steadfast and CKD wasn't.

curiouskarmadog (Mason) - lynched Day 2

Springlullaby II (Steadfast Mason) - shot Night 3

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THE CKD TRAIN

curiouskarmadog (6) - Yosarian2, Beep! Beep!, NabakovNabakov, Skruffs, aioqwe, armlx

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THE CKD TRAIN AS SLYSLY SEES IT

curiouskarmadog (6) -

Yosarian2

,

Beep! Beep!

,

NabakovNabakov

,

Skruffs

,

aioqwe

,

armlx

no suspicion

seemingly pro-town

highly suspicious

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vote: aioqwe

[SlySly]

THE CKD TRAIN AS SLYSLY SEES IT

curiouskarmadog (6) -

Yosarian2

,

Beep! Beep!

,

NabakovNabakov

,

Skruffs

,

aioqwe

,

armlx

no suspicion

seemingly pro-town

highly suspicious

Why me, why not skruffs?

As you can see in my list, I have you and Skruffs in the same category(highly suspicious). I could just as easily be voting for Skruffs.

[SlySly]

Yup, my recruiter is N-N, skruffs is also in the cult

EBWOP: armlx is also with it.

Surely, you jest!

Isn't it against the rules to expose your scum buddies and their hierarchies like that?

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For example, how did you ascertain these suspicions?

By process of elimination during examination of the CKD wagon.

Of the 6 responsible for the CKD mislynch, it was more or less a coin flip decision between the two I found the most suspicious. I felt the pressure would be better put on you at this point in the game.

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SlySly: can you explain your suspicion of the CKD train better?

For starters, your missing the claim/leaving your vote on after realization was highly suspicious. Aoiqwe's actions were looking very scummy to close out the day yesterday and he has not redeemed himself yet today.

[SlySly]

At this point in the game, lynching any scum is a good lynch. A recruit being lynched doesn't make it a certainty that someone else will be recruited in their place.

TSS, your suspicions of Beep and Yos are unfounded. If you keep pushing against them, I am going to think you are a recruit(er).

[SlySly]

CLs and CRs are both scum, but the point is that lynching a CL is the superior option.

QFT

All squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares. All CLs are scum, but not all scum are CLs.

Technically, your statements are correct but as the game gets farther along, the point you are making becomes less important on each new day. There have been 3 nights. If there are 2 recruiters, there are now 6 possibilities of recruits. With 10 left alive, that would make the game 8 cult (2 recruiters, 6 recruits) vs 2 non-cult, which is highly unlikely at this point for multiple reasons.

Obviously lynching a recruiter is better than lynching a recruit in every case but I don't necessarily think holding out for a recruiter is the only good idea anymore.

Lynching ANY cult is a good lynch now.

[SlySly]

TSS, your opinion is still wrong.

[SlySly]

Skruffs is cult.

He is most likely a CL.

vote: Skruffs

[SlySly]

Anyway, I wouldn't be opposed to an armlx lynch today, obv, but dosn't everyone agree we need to get Skruffs to finish claiming first?

Too late, the votes are in. armlx has been lynched.

[SlySly]

Skruffs is still cult.

He is still most likely a CL.

vote: Skruffs

[SlySly]

Skruffs is not the SK, he is cult.

[SlySly]

Is that a counterclaim, slysly?

I am the Inquisitor.

Here are my results so far.

Night 1 - my predecessor investigated Occult/Beep. result = not cult.
Night 2 - my predecessor investigated TSS. result = not cult.
Night 3 - I investigated Yosarian2. result = not cult.
Night 4 - I investigated Skruffs. result = cult.
Night 5 - I investigated mnowax. result = not cult.

[SlySly]

This is from June 4th, which is a long time after you had investigated TSS and he came up as non-cult:

I didn't investigate TSS, my predecessor did.

TSS, your suspicions of Beep and Yos are unfounded. If you keep pushing against them, I am going to think you are a recruit(er).

You already 'knew' that TSS couldn't possibly be a recruiter - there was no reason for you to put the (er) at the end of the sentence.

When I made that quote, I wasn't thinking about who my predecessor had investigated.

However, even with this post:

THE CKD TRAIN AS SLYSLY SEES IT

curiouskarmadog (6) -

Yosarian2

,

Beep! Beep!

,

NabakovNabakov

,

Skruffs

,

aioqwe

,

armlx

no suspicion

seemingly pro-town

highly suspicious

Why me, why not skruffs?

As you can see in my list, I have you and Skruffs in the same category(highly suspicious). I could just as easily be voting for Skruffs.

You decided to investigate Tss night two,a nd not anyone on that wagon?

My predecessor investigated TSS the night before. I investigate Yosarian2 who was on the wagon.

Your claim is weak, as is your cult.

My claim is true. I'm not cult.

[SlySly]

You came into the game, though, with this:

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I think the possibility that mnowax is a CL is high.

Funny that you left out what I said right before that...

This sounds like the play of a newb that is offended that someone disagrees with them and is going to repeat it over and over not realizing that no one cared then and cares far less now. Others in the game think you are competent, so this leads me to believe you could be stirring the confusion pot purposely.

Why did you wait so long to investigate MNOWAX if you thought he was a cult recruitor from just after your reread? The entire day of CKD's lynch, you never tried to detract from it, you asked why there was a wagon on him, and that is all, while stating that you saw MNOWAX as a potential CL as very high.

Yet you didn't investigate him. That's odd, don't you think?

Once I figured out you weren't a newb, there was never any question in my mind that you were going to be my first investigation. Once I got the cult results on you, your scummy/newb-like play made perfect sense.