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[Muerrto]

You also showed up pretty quickly after being called out...

[Muerrto]

I'm not arguing that Mneme is innocent. I'm arguing that the likelihood that he is scum is significantly less likely than others. Why are you so certain he is scum? Why would you prefer a Mneme lynch over a Kison lynch? Please answer me that.

I'd prefer you both because you lurked then showed up when called out. You're defending someone but not claiming so you can't be held responsible if you're wrong, and you won't explain why he's less likely to be scum.

[Muerrto]

Coincidence. If you do a quick trace of my posts you'll realize my posting has been lower than usual the past day or so. Answer the question, por favor. Why Mneme over Kison?

Hehe takes time to post man, it's been answered.

[Muerrto]

Here's a question, though. We know Adel was a cop. Let's theoretically say for a moment that Adel investigated Mneme. Two possibilities : guilty, innocent. If Adel got an innocent, do you think she would have placed her vote on Mneme like she did?

Is this why you don't want to vote mneme? Or do you have something else?

Good catch but not a good reason.

I'll still okay with Nmeme dying, we need a couple more votes.

[Muerrto]

Ok...that was quite detailed. And now I wanna know...

JUST WHO IS IN THE DAMN CULTS!?

I'd say your claim put Mneme in the same camp as Farisde and Ergo then, possibly cult but not fire/ice(for ergo and farside, the other for mneme of course)

That still leads me back to DGB. Can anyone tell me why she's still alive and everyone keeps defending her? I've never played with her but her last vote was JEDI!!! And he was an SK, a danger to the cults.

Unvote, Vote: DGB

Also, unfamiliar with Watcher, do you also do what a tracker does and see if they go somewhere or only if someone goes to them?

[Muerrto]

Hmm...I'm still in the camp Adel's vote was too quick and too quickly discarded. There are 4 recruiters. Killing 1 day 1 would have been phenomonal.

Also, in this game, if Adel had claimed cop, we'd kill Nmeme and get a recruiter. We DON'T go to night immediately like other games, the cops are unrecruitable, and the cults would have to give up a recruit to kill her.

In short, there is absolutely no downside to come forward as a cop on day 1 if she got a guilty night 0. Period. There's only 2 people in the whole game that she can investigate successfully(that matter). Killing one day 1 would have been MUCH greater than not claiming. Period.

I'm quite disturbed people are saying it could be a guilty.

I'm placing that blame on Pooky atm and once again I'm very happy with his lynch. I'll have to re-read to see who actually started it tho. I'm not at all happy with a Nmeme lynch at this point.

Only thing I can figure is that since Adel knew Nmeme wasn't 1 of 2 cults, she was prodding to see if he was 1 of the other 2.

Now, if Adel's specific play is against cop claims like it sounds like people are saying, then she simply played wrong this game with regards to her role if she did get a guilty. I put more stock in the innocent result.

[Muerrto]

Unvote, Vote: Nmeme

I don't like it but stalling the lynches sucks...

There is no downside to immediately claiming day 1 as a cop with a guilty in this game.

HOWEVER, Cave's quote he found definitely says that Adel thought she had time, she didn't expect to get killed by a Vig. It also hints that she had a guilty result.

I guess Adel didn't claim for that reason, perhaps she had planned to.

I hope we're right...

[Muerrto]

That's 7 btw

[Muerrto]

*crosses fingers*

[Muerrto]

Mod: With a really strict deadline restricting our voting times is kind of bad. That's why last time someone died I immediately re-voted someone else.

With a multi lynch day, how is this twilight? What if BM doesn't post a lynch scene till monday?

[Muerrto]

Mod: Other alternative is not counting twilight in the deadline of the game. I know this game is a new idea so trying to give advice as to how to make it more balanced and fair to the players. Just constructive criticism.

[Muerrto]

Mod: With a really strict deadline restricting our voting times is kind of bad. That's why last time someone died I immediately re-voted someone else.

With a multi lynch day, how is this twilight? What if BM doesn't post a lynch scene till monday?

BM is usually pretty active, and should post a scene soon. It's not technically "twilight" (which is after the entire day ends), but it is confusing to count votes after a lynch has been made.

Agreed. Just makes the deadline worse tho is what I'm saying. We rushed lynches yesterday to make it and killed half the town. Would be nice to not have to do that. Might be a good idea in the future games.

[Muerrto]

Cavebear next, or DGB?

This should be determined now.

I need a result first.

[Muerrto]

Shrug, DGB then because she's useless to the town as a lurker who doesn't vote and she's likely to be a recruiter because of it.

[Muerrto]

Thank GOD!!!

Vote: DGB

So Adel did have a guilty and Kison IMO is confirmed.

Sorry, Kison.

[Muerrto]

The problem is we can't use Nmeme's posts to find out who's town etc like a normal game because he'd be voting for other cults too.

[Muerrto]

And you've come out of hiding now that Nmeme's dead and being called out after lurking the whole game...

[Muerrto]

Hm...doctor? Something to do with Ergo?

That's the only crumbs I see.

[Muerrto]

After DGB,

Kison - Do you still advocate killing Mizzy/Pooky? It seems you didn't like either of those players, voted both, and since you're confirmed I'm interested as to why you didn't like them?

[Muerrto]

And you've come out of hiding now that Nmeme's dead and being called out after lurking the whole game...

Yeah, amazingly, I keep confusing this game with cultafia, and I keep forgetting that I'm in both games. My usual scumtells don't apply in a cult game. I'm rather disengaged from this one so nothing is firing me up. I'm not terribly active in cultafia either.

Besides, I find it hugely amazing that after the big hint that I knew I'd been roleblocked, and the big in-your-face breadcrumb the size of Guinness Book worthy loaf, that people are voting for me. It defies imagination. Whatever happened the the game of mafia, I dunno.

Well we already have 2 cops, so I doubt you're that. We have a watcher and a tracker so we have those covered. We have several blockers and you mentioned 'doctor' but there'd be no way for you to confirm you've been blocked if you're a doctor unless you protected CKD or something which I'm not inclined to believe.

So claiming might help a tad. I'm not being lazy, I simply don't see your crumb, period.


As for Cave, it occured to me as I was listing the roles that they all seem kind of symetrical(2 cops, watcher, tracker) or plain(inventor, vig). It also occured to me you might've scanned the Wiki for a claim that sounded weird enough for people to have no clue if it was legit or not. Also, it didn't have to be in the 9 minutes. You could've planned a claim from day 1, that's what I do when I'm scum in a game with multiple roles.

You've been blocked according to Elvis so at the moment your cult is weak if you're a recruiter and DGB's play has bothered me since day 1 so I'm not switching my vote, just speculating.

[Muerrto]

Ok so you claimed while I was posting. And you voted yourself.

Well, color me disbelieved but if you're telling the truth when you die, Xtomx will be the next recruiter dead.

Vote stands.

[Muerrto]

You also pursued Armlx pretty hardcore day 1 even though you knew he wasn't in either of 2 of the cults?? No way.

[Muerrto]

Ok, DGB's crumb changes everything, that was quite good, quite hard to pick out, and quite confirming.

There's no point for us to vote anyone but either DGB or Xtomx at this time. One of them is a recruiter.

Unvote, Vote: Xtomx

Sorry to whichever of you is really the cop if we kill you lol

[Muerrto]

So why did Xtomx clear Ergo and Farside? Random?

[Muerrto]

Simul posting DGB, sorry.

[Muerrto]

When's the deadline? I'd still rather go for a sure thing.

I'm assuming DGB will be voting Xtomx too so it shouldn't take too long.

And if Xtomx is a cop DGB will die almost instantaneously.

So we'll have 1 lynch left for Cavebear and 2 recruiters down.

Or 2 lynches left for Cavebear and Farside or Ergo and we'll still have DGB as cop.

I'm hoping it's the second but there's no point not to kill 1 of them now.

[Muerrto]

DGB- Can you vote Xtomx please?

Unless you think there's 2 temp cops.

That'll make 5 votes, we need 2 more.

[Muerrto]

Was thinking Xtomx is the recruiter and Farside and Ergo are his night 0 and night 1 recruits actually. But yeah, the recruiters are more important.

[Muerrto]

I doubt DGB is lying because if he is all he's done is kill a cop and kill himself.

[Muerrto]

Now that I disagree with. It's only the second night so the cult sacc'ing their recruit to kill a cop that can find them OR their rivals out of a large town is just bad play. The chances he'd score an investigation are zilch and if they skip their recruit they have either 1 or 2 people instead of possibly 3.

[Muerrto]

That said I still side more w/DGB if for nothing else but his crumb.

[Muerrto]

Sadly I still side more w/DGB but the good news is if she's lying we have another recruit down after we kill you both

Not a whole lot of comfort but I did apologise in advance above for killing the cop if we do it.

[Muerrto]

EBWOP: recruiter...

I think that was an obvious typo. I was saying if you're lying then you're a recruiter. If you're not then Xtomx is.

[Muerrto]

Either way we have 1 more CR down in 1 or 2 more lynches. One left for Cavebear or 2 left for Cavebear and Ergo/Farside.

Unless someone else has a clue on who the other 2 recruiters are.

[Muerrto]

To add to my own post I still like Pooky next. Maybe DR.

[Muerrto]

No, they are meant to live as long as possible and they want to.

QFT

If the recruiter dies the cult is gone. As of right now the cult has a MAX of 3 people. If the recruiter dies the cult wins if its 2 or less people outnumber the town? Not bloody likely.

Any cult that loses it's recruiter this early is shafted, period.

DGB's gambit is insane if she's a CR.

And DGB's cult has a MAX of 2 people because she was blocked. If she dies her cult has 1 person...

[Muerrto]

Cult isn't gone, its just weak as hell as it can't kill or recruit.

Cult is gone till the other recruiters are dead, then we can kill the recruits.

[Muerrto]

13 pages on a weekend? I hate you all.

LMAO I had to hit mute at work when I read this and I still almost didn't make it.

[Muerrto]

At work on the phone, tech support

[Muerrto]

Where's Mac when you need him? He's been pretty vocal.

VOTE!

[Muerrto]

You guys realise we've still got a week left lol

And we've already killed 3 people.

Much better than yesterday, especially what with killing a CR and all

[Muerrto]

Armlx is right, if it's near a coinflip, voting DGB is anti-town at this time no matter what her role is because it's delaying the lynch. One of them is cult, period. If one dies and we're wrong, the other dies. Delaying is delaying BOTH and is therefore anti-town.

FoS: Ergo

If Xtomx dies as a recruiter I'll assume both you and Farside are his lackeys.

[Muerrto]

Cavebear's acquiesence to vote either one is noted as well...

[Muerrto]

EBWOP: To follow up, the post where Cave voted Xtomx sounded pretty convinced on which one he wanted to vote at the time. Now it's up in the air? Hm...

[Muerrto]

Yeah, after Xtomx. Wish Ergo would finish it already =p But this isn't like normal mafia, I can see cultists desperately trying to save their recruiter because they know if he dies they effectively lose.

[Muerrto]

Actually it was after Elvis' claim, you're hurting your case.

[Muerrto]

Shrug DGB's getting a little heated about it which is hurting her case.

As for killing Ergo, even if Xtomx is cult Ergo's a recruit, I'm not voting him.

As for which cult I could care less, if Xtomx is cult he needs to die.

FoS: Ergo

for even bringing that up. Why would that possibly matter?

You're definitely not imspiring me with thoughts that you're town and since that hurts Xtomx I'm even more convinced.

Notice how DGB is still here and Xtomx camee in for a second, saw he was near dead, and dissappeared? That doesn't help his case either.

Too many knocks in his direction.

[Muerrto]

Finally. Yeah, Ergo and Farside need to die at some point tomorrow but till then they're just anti town. They can't kill or recruit, they can just um...die eventually. Or vote random people.... I spose they could spam the thread if they get bored *shrug*

[Muerrto]

Lol well we have to wait this time. It's either DGB or Cave though...

[Muerrto]

Shrug I'm all for Cave too I meant if Xtomx is the cop which I don't expect but is possible.

[Muerrto]

Ergo is a recruit, not a recruiter. He's minor scum, not the town's concern atm.

[Muerrto]

Ergo and Farside were 'cleared' by Xtomx so we're assuming they were recruited by him.

Cavebear's claim was quite...interesting. But his actions after the claim made me more and more convinced he's cult, maybe not a recruiter but a good chance.

Pooky and DR are my next choices.

[Muerrto]

Well Pooky was Mizzy and neither played like town. Mizzy questioned being town as good and Pooky has lurked consistently all game.

DR was Roland who lurked but popped in twice.

But mainly because everyone else has some type of claim or semi-claim or town feel that they're all that's left. See the list a few pages back of the planned lynches for today.

If Xtomx is cult, you're confirmed, Mac's confirmed, Kison is already confirmed, we're shrinking the possible cult left.

Andy's somewhat confirmed, Everyone who's not cult has been quite sure me and Armlx are town etc. and your investigation of Armlx at least half helps that since you're confirmed etc.

[Muerrto]

In fact, now that I think of it, DR, Pooky, and Cave are really the only ones left that

could

be recruiters unless we disbelieve Elvis, Andy etc.

[Muerrto]

It was, I just hadn't realised we've got 2 recruiters left(assuming Xtomx is one) and 3 candidates. We've actually done quite well today.

Also, DGB has decided to rejoin us so I was recapping. If he's confirmed town I'd like him to be informed lol

[Muerrto]

her*

[Muerrto]

Well once we killed half the town, finding the cults were easy. It's like Iraq...only funny because it's not real.

[Muerrto]

Um...Kison set up the kill of Nmeme by saying he saw Adel go to his house night 0. He bussed his recruiter?? Not likely. And since Adel DID go to Nmeme and that was confirmed because of his death, I'd say that pretty much confirms his role about as much as it can be confirmed.

Is he recruitable? Not sure, we'll kill him tomorrow if need be.

As for Ergo/Farside? Why'd Xtomx pick them? Why'd they both defend him? Not likely again. I'd say it's pretty clear they're his lackeys.

I understand playing devil's advocate but these are pretty cut and dry.

Also, Ergo dissappeared since Xtomx's death...

[Muerrto]

I think you guys are feeding into paranoia and 'what if' too much. Since Xtomx's death, Ergo's been AWOL whereas before it he was posting alot. He saw his chance to win the game die and gave up. Period. If he actually thought Xtomx was a cop he would've stayed and discussed ramifications etc.

[Muerrto]

If Xtomx dies as cult DGB is quite confirmed. Directing Andy would be pointless.

Again, paranoia, over thinking etc.

[Muerrto]

Seeing Ergo cut off short when Xtomx died that was pretty convincing to me.

At this point we can pretty much assume Andy, Elvis, me, you, Armlx, DGB, and Kison are cleared as recruiters.

Ergo/Farside are recruits.

DR, Pooky, and Cave are up in the air.


If our other 2 recruiters aren't in those last three, THEN we can start digging into the ones above. But it's pointless to speculate before hand.

[Muerrto]

Now that said, Andy, DGB, Elvis, you, and Kison should definitely still be using their abilites to find the other cultists. But directing them tips off the cults.

[Muerrto]

Shrug yours and Farsides alignment are irrelevant at this point. At worst you're recruits in which case we don't care till the recruiters are dead. If we win and you're alive then I'll assume you're town. Till then I'll assume you're a recruit and continue to look for recruiters.

[Muerrto]

Hehe my alignment is town. That's been said by quite a few people already. And when it comes time that I have to claim, I'll do so and I'll be fully confirmed easily thanks to the rest of the game. Until then, I'm not claiming.

Questioning my alignment definitely won't put you in a better light with the town...

[Muerrto]

Um...not to question the mod...but the PM's pretty clearly state it's the recruiters ability, not the cult.

So you're saying we now have 4 scum kills per night? Does anyone else see that as extremely excessive?

Anyway, I'd like to kill Pooky or Cave, prefer Pooky.

Ignoring Ergo and Pooky's 'he's not town' shouts. If I was aligned with Nmeme, why the hell did I vote him? Ergo never ended up placing a vote on Xtomx, neither did Farside. Your logic falls short.

Vote: Pooky

[Muerrto]

Mac, I'm dissappointed in the bounds your paranoia reaches to, that's all I've got to say about that...

Pooky's obv scum and is trying to build a horrible case on me.

Don't make me claim, I'll be fully confirmed but it will help the cults enormously.

[Muerrto]

How exactly am I the best bet if I've already been confirmed by Andy and his results?

Suspecting me is one thing, saying I'm the best bet is ridiculous.

[Muerrto]

Lol Pooky, you lurked all game then came back w/a passion when I started calling you out. Now you're trying to bring a case on me when I've been scum hunting all game?

Ugh, if others actually start to vote me I'll claim but it'll be bad.

Until then, I prefer to lynch Pooky but I'll settle for Cave/Ergo/Farside.

Not seeing a huge case on DR above the others listed.

[Muerrto]

I also didn't try to make recruits sound less dangerous, I said IMO recruits having the killing ability is overpowered and unbalanced and not what the PM's read.

I wasn't saying the mod's wrong, I was questioning the mod's ruling. Not good form granted but nothing to do with the game.

Also, if I was recruit...why the hell would I want the recruits to be useless lumps??

[Muerrto]

True that, I guess my case is more OMGUS. I think I've been obv town and I can't see a townie thinking otherwise. You're just paranoid and speculating. Pooky's actually hard core pressing for my lynch. To me that means he's scum. Disbelieving my alignment is just insane to me if you read back on my game so far.

[Muerrto]

Oh, and this is my 'defense' and 'distancing' of Nmeme. I only pushed when he was already swinging? Lol. Pooky, you're not even trying.

Doesn't matter if we go Cave then Mneme or vice versa is what he's saying.

I'd rather hit Kison than Nmeme but splitting our forces will slow the lynches.

Unvote, Vote: Nmeme

So lets lynch 3 more people and come back to Cave?

He's vanilla now if he's telling the truth so it doesn't matter but his unvote wasn't necessary and sounded sincere so I'm convinced for now.

We need your vote as there are very few vocal players atm.

@Cave: Didn't you suspect Nmeme? Where's your vote at?

I'm also not sure I remember saying that killing recruiters would be bad in any way...

Your sincerity has waned...

Unvote, Vote: Cavebear

I'm more inclined to believe Nmeme's town claim than Cave's.

Still rather hit Cave first then Nmeme just in case.

And if Nmeme's vanilla?

Sigh I guess deadline > vanilla

Unvote, Vote: Nmeme

I know it's saturday but can we get some more participation here people?

I'm starting to think we need to lynch everyone not participating because it's obviously in the cults favor to NOT lynch so many people.

DGB has posted in a ton of games over the past week and only once here, 1 line asking how many votes, no vote added etc.

Farside, same thing.

Kison, same thing.

Pooky, same thing.

Elvis, same thing.

Ergo's not quite so bad and he's modding a few games so I'm not quite so suspect of him.

Plus Farside and Ergo have been found to not be fire/ice so I'd say hit them last.

Elvis has a claim currently so *shrug*

The other 5 have no excuse whatsoever, especially with the fast pace of this game, to lurk and post once a week or so, usually with no content.

Actually Mneme claimed 'townie', wouldn't say whether he was recruitable or not, said someone would assume he is/isn't, etc.

I'd assume vanilla's would have to be recruitable so I don't like him saying he's townie(referring to Cave's claim) and saying he won't claim recruitable or not. Seems obvious if he's vanilla.

And Kison backing him up that strongly? Hm...not if he's vanilla. BUT if they're Mason's Kison could've grabbed Mneme and that'd make him vanilla but not. And on second thought, Masons in a cult game would make sense, so the town can team up too against the 4 cults.

Hm...

Anyone else's opinions?

I think we might need a full claim.

Ok...if Kison's not certain, just saying it anyway, then um...I'm confused.

In a game with 4 cults and all 4 still alive, how the hell would you feel comfortable defending someone if you're not certain?

I find it hard to believe you guys would be culted together and try this gambit but I can't think of another reason to defend someone in a FOUR cult game if you're not sure...

Can you try and explain a little better?

I'm not arguing that Mneme is innocent. I'm arguing that the likelihood that he is scum is significantly less likely than others. Why are you so certain he is scum? Why would you prefer a Mneme lynch over a Kison lynch? Please answer me that.

I'd prefer you both because you lurked then showed up when called out. You're defending someone but not claiming so you can't be held responsible if you're wrong, and you won't explain why he's less likely to be scum.

Here's a question, though. We know Adel was a cop. Let's theoretically say for a moment that Adel investigated Mneme. Two possibilities : guilty, innocent. If Adel got an innocent, do you think she would have placed her vote on Mneme like she did?

Is this why you don't want to vote mneme? Or do you have something else?

Good catch but not a good reason.

I'll still okay with Nmeme dying, we need a couple more votes.

Ok...that was quite detailed. And now I wanna know...

JUST WHO IS IN THE DAMN CULTS!?

I'd say your claim put Mneme in the same camp as Farisde and Ergo then, possibly cult but not fire/ice(for ergo and farside, the other for mneme of course)

Hmm...I'm still in the camp Adel's vote was too quick and too quickly discarded. There are 4 recruiters. Killing 1 day 1 would have been phenomonal.

Also, in this game, if Adel had claimed cop, we'd kill Nmeme and get a recruiter. We DON'T go to night immediately like other games, the cops are unrecruitable, and the cults would have to give up a recruit to kill her.

In short, there is absolutely no downside to come forward as a cop on day 1 if she got a guilty night 0. Period. There's only 2 people in the whole game that she can investigate successfully(that matter). Killing one day 1 would have been MUCH greater than not claiming. Period.

I'm quite disturbed people are saying it could be a guilty.

I'm placing that blame on Pooky atm and once again I'm very happy with his lynch. I'll have to re-read to see who actually started it tho. I'm not at all happy with a Nmeme lynch at this point.

Only thing I can figure is that since Adel knew Nmeme wasn't 1 of 2 cults, she was prodding to see if he was 1 of the other 2.

Now, if Adel's specific play is against cop claims like it sounds like people are saying, then she simply played wrong this game with regards to her role if she did get a guilty. I put more stock in the innocent result.

Unvote, Vote: Nmeme

I don't like it but stalling the lynches sucks...

There is no downside to immediately claiming day 1 as a cop with a guilty in this game.

HOWEVER, Cave's quote he found definitely says that Adel thought she had time, she didn't expect to get killed by a Vig. It also hints that she had a guilty result.

I guess Adel didn't claim for that reason, perhaps she had planned to.

I hope we're right...

So um...can you try again Pooky?

[Muerrto]

Mod: Um..Farside voted Pooky right above the vount count lol

-fixed

[Muerrto]

Also, to Mac, Armlx etc that have actually been actively playing, I'll vote for Cave if that's what everyone wants but Pooky's ridiculous case on me after lurking the entire game is definitely bothering me. I find it surprising it's not bothering anyone else unless you're all just choosing to ignore him.

[Muerrto]

Shrug I'm for Pooky/Cave/DR but I'll shift to suit the town's needs. We've only got 3 for Cave right now.

[Muerrto]

Lol yes, and half the town hasn't checked in and voiced their opinion in 1 direction or another yet.

Shrug

Unvote, Vote: Cave

Now it's 4. Still need 3 more. The problem we've been having is alot of the town isn't participating regularly so it's gonna get harder and harder to get the votes we need.

But we do have 6 days for 2 lynches so we should be ok.

[Muerrto]

Shrug his vehemence against me all of a sudden was surprising.

'die scum die' 'lynch him plz'

Granted these are standard Pooky responses but how does that help?

[Muerrto]

Shrug if you guys make me claim I'm gonna be pissed and you're gonna be sorry. I'm not sure how I've been 'town' all game and now all of a sudden because Pooky decided to show up and play and bring weird points on me I'm suspect?

Did you even read the whole long post I put up of quotes showing I was quite content with killing Nmeme I just wasn't content with the order?

Pooky's case is I didn't join till it was sure Nmeme was going to swing, but the quotes definitely prove otherwise.

I'm floored people are even considering it =p

Shrug. I'll help the town as long as I can until the town decides I've somehow been a cult the whole time lol

[Muerrto]

Lol your calm, middle of the road, 1 liner posts infuriate me Armlx, I hope you know that

[Muerrto]

Lol nice try Ergo. Angling for recruitment? Boy you guys just want me dead something fierce. Just do it tonight geez.

[Muerrto]

Yep. I'm suicidal. That works.

[Muerrto]

Can we get the last vote on Cave and move on to someone else?

[Muerrto]

Me too, but it'll make sense eventually. I promise my 'claim early' playstyle is a thing of the past. There's method to my madness.

[Muerrto]

It's not all the lurking but we kind of narrowed down who had claims and who didn't. If it makes you feel better Armlx and Mac don't share my desire to lynch you before Cave and DR so you should be safe until tomorrow at least.

[Muerrto]

Hooray!

I guess DR is next?

[Muerrto]

Shrug I'll go with the flow. If Armlx ends up being one of the recruiters knocking out the other cults I'm gonna be piiiiissed.

[Muerrto]

Vote: DR

And I plan on fully claiming tomorrow because I'll still be here. I'll always be here.

[Muerrto]

That's twilight people. Let's hope the ice cult is gone period so we'll have 3 kills/recruits instead of 4. Good luck and until tomorrow.

Now I can finally catch up on my 5 other games =p

[Muerrto]

TWO?! Ack. Um...Farside or Pooky?

[Muerrto]

Lol forgot all the roles. Lesse, Kison watches, DGB cop, Mac jailer, Elvis blocker, that all that's left?

What'd you guys get?

I'll claim if needed but with only 2 kills today would still benefit the town for me not to.

[Muerrto]

Don't know that one. Usually play newbie games hehe. Liking these large games with weird roles though. Might try some more.

We always used to use weird roles in real life games.

What's the <=7 rule and why?

[Muerrto]

Ouch DGB. Ouch...

[Muerrto]

That was um...cryptic lol

It made my head hurt so it better be worth it.

[Muerrto]

And your new avatar is freaking me out!

[Muerrto]

Shrug I'll claim but I'm quite sure I'm the reason only 1 person died last night.

[Muerrto]

Ok I'm gonna have to agree with the extension since there's been hardly any posts all day. I don't expect the weekend to pick up any.

[Muerrto]

Wait, I missed why Farside can't be one of the other 2 recruiters?

[Muerrto]

Shrug ok. I'm the invincible vanilla...well I thought it was a good name...

I'm Inpregnable townie(did I spell that right?)

I'm immune to all night actions which is why:

A. I went off about Andy's results. He should've gotten none. But again, I understand BM not being able to correct that mid-game.

B. I said I'd always be here.

C. I said I'm the most important town role.

D. I said claiming before night last night or even maybe tonight would help the cult and hurt the town.

E. I think there was only 1 kill last night because the cult would've tried to silence me and failed.


I told you my claim would fully confirm me. I also told you not to push for it because you've helped the cults quite a bit.

I'm quite happy with off'ing Farside or Pooky unless Pooky can claim something to make me think otherwise. But with Kison's results I'd be more inclined to kill Farside.

[Muerrto]

Lol if it was obvious then Pooky's obv scum for voting/doubting me. So is Ergo to a lesser extent. But Pooky voted me.

Vote: Farside

[Muerrto]

No clue. Can't be anything that targets me or whatever cause it would've failed.

Some kind of protection?

[Muerrto]

Um...Kison watched Adel check Nmeme.

Could be a set up but sounds legit.

Soo...Farside was RB'ed

supposedly

by Elvis. Farside

supposedly

targetted DGB last night. If Farside was killing and wasn't RB'ed, DGB would be dead unless someone else protected him, in which case Kison would've seen that person too. If Farside was recruiting...um, I'm gonna have to assume he didn't try and recruit an unrecruitable.

IF Farside was RB'ed by Elvis then what Mac is saying is that Farside never should've made it to DGB. Kison should've seen nothing.

I think at this point we need to figure out two things:

A full claim from Farside. He can't simply be vanilla.

Is this another small mod mistake? Andy's was and he's confirmed now.

[Muerrto]

EBWOP: To elaborate. Andy should've gotten no result. Not that I stayed at home.

Pooky is still my #1 suspect followed closely by Farside since he was already a suspect and then visited DGB

supposedly

last night.

Pooky is obv scum for voting me and hard core pushing for my lynch yesterday when my towniness was obvious.

Unvote, Vote: Pooky

So we can wait for a Farside claim.

[Muerrto]

I still say it's a mod mistake. But I wanna kill Pooky then Farside unless his claim is stellar.

[Muerrto]

Bah I said Mason a while back. I wondered why you kept protecting Ergo and why, even though Ergo didn't like me running the town, he had no problem with you doing it.

Now granted you could be the last cult but your actions have been extremely pro-town so I doubt it.

I'd say Pooky/Farside is right which means Elvis DID block Farside, Kison DID see Farside go to DGB, and the difference is a mod mistake in results.

It already happened with Andy once.

It's definitely the most plausible explanation.

[Muerrto]

And this proves you're not Wind/Earth together because...?

Side note: Mnene was earth recruiter so unless BOTH Ergo and Armlx are earth, this is not the case. And they can't both be earth because Armlx has been defending Ergo since day 1.

So they COULD both be wind, but that gives them a 25% chance so I'm looking at Pooky and Farside first.

[Muerrto]

Agreed. It all depends on hitting the last 2 recruiters. And I think Pooky and Farside have the best chance of being those judging by their play, their posts, and others results.

[Muerrto]

We need one more to kill Pooky please. Ergo?

[Muerrto]

Results before unvote. You've not proven yourself for otherwise.

[Muerrto]

That claim....is soooo wild.

so why exactly were you pushing my lynch yesterday?

Your crumb earlier of being the most important though...

Unvote

I didn't buy the Masons either but we need to find the other recruiters.

I'd vote Armlx at this point.

[Muerrto]

I doubt we're facing a 4 cult. We have 2 cults minimum left. And only 6 people?

Hm..you kind of hurt your case there...

Not sure.

I take back the voting Armlx comment.

[Muerrto]

Um..6?

You just claimed that everyone's cult except you, me and DGB.

I'm starting to disbelieve strongly...

DGB can't be because he countered Xtomx's cop claim and we don't have another claimed cop.

I know I'm not.

I assume you're saying you're not.

So everyone's cult?

Vote: Pooky

I am far too gullible. And no, I still don't buy the Masons thing but I buy yours less.

[Muerrto]

Lol and I fake claimed a role I'd never heard of before? With multiple crumbs?

Plus Pooky's saying it's me, him, and DGB.

So if you believe his claim, he's saying YOU'RE cult Mac.

If you don't believe his claim...why the unvote?

Either you're paranoid...again.

Or you're cult.

[Muerrto]

I'm stuggling with the fact that Pooky's claim is astoundingly risky if false, that the amazingly low number of successful recruits if it's false is kinda ludicrous, and also that if it's not false and we lynch him, town is very, very hosed.

Not really. We only have 2 lynches today. If we lynch someone else and they're cult(which is a good possibility), do we then believe him? If we do and he's a recruiter he's now lived to the next day and possibly the game.

If we lynch someone else and actually find town, we kill him. But the odds are in his favor. And if he's a recruiter and has a large cult, he's fine. If he's a recruit, his cult is still fine.

Saying the whole town is cult is a bit far fetched, and if I buy your claim which I do, I'm forced to disbelieve it since that makes 4 confirmed if we believe him.

[Muerrto]

It all comes down to whether you buy his claim or mine basically. Same for me and yours.

I buy yours so he's lying.

If you buy mine more then he's still lying.

If you can really disbelieve my claim that's the only way his claim can be legit.

Same for anyone else. DGB and Pooky(according to him) are town so if you disbelieve all other claims(because obviously you're town) then you disbelieve him.

He really should've put more thought into it and claimed 5.

[Muerrto]

I'm thinking the play might be to test our masons right now. Consider. If the masons really are masons, this tells us that our setup assumptions are largely correct - Pooky is indeed a recruiter, and there can't be many other cult left out there, since we'd have 3 confirmed town (me, DGB, other mason) and one near-confirmed (Muerrto) remaining under that setup. We could get a guaranteed recruiter with our other lynch today, and have enough blocking power to pretty much shut down the remaining cults' night actions. OTOH, if the "masons" are lying cult, it's good that we know that now, and we also have a guaranteed cult hit with our second lynch of the day.

I'm not really seeing any drawbacks to this plan. We get guaranteed cult for our second lynch today no matter which way the first "mason" flips, and if they do flip town, we know we have the lynch to waste on them now.

Any counter opinions?

Um...yes. We have 2 lynches today. Killing 1 recruiter only isn't a good idea.

To elaborate on what I said:

For Mac - For Pooky to be telling the truth, Kison, Me, Ergo, Armlx, Elvis, and Farside are all lying.

For Kison - For Pooky to be telling the truth, Mac, Me, Ergo, Armlx, Elvis, and Farside are all lying.

Etc...

So unless you disbelieve all those claims...Pooky is lying.

[Muerrto]

Also as a note for Muerrto's post cutting in between me again, the "test masons" plan is IMO good whether Pooky is lying or not.

Only if we had 6 lynches today...

[Muerrto]

Muerrto, how quickly can you fetch me breadcrumbs of yours from Day One?

Um...the Andy thing, nuff said.

[Muerrto]

Mac, you're insane dude lol

[Muerrto]

Pooky, didn't you say earlier you were sold on me? So you thought it was me, you, and DGB? Now it's Mac, you and DGB?

How is anyone even coming close to buying this?

[Muerrto]

Not if Farside and Pooky, the most logical candidates for recruiters, are the recruiters and we lynch them like we had planned all along...

And Pooky is obv scum because first he was like 'Muerrto my buddy, the whole town is cult' Now he's like 'Mac, my buddy, the whole town is cult'.

It's not even a good attempt, why would you fall for it?

And why did Farside visit DGB?

Farside/Pooky, period. But Pooky 100%.

[Muerrto]

Pooky, didn't you say earlier you were sold on me? So you thought it was me, you, and DGB? Now it's Mac, you and DGB?

How is anyone even coming close to buying this?

He was sold on your being Earth.

Reading is tech

cuz i thought u were earth from the way you defended mneme duh.

now im sold on you because of the lack of recruiting/NKing.

[Muerrto]

But as soon as you vote someone else...Pooky's all about the Mac and votes right along with you. I'm a recruit all of a sudden again. Now assuming he's telling the truth and he buys my claim, you're cult. Why would he follow you?

Even if he doesn't buy my claim, you still have a chance of being one of the SIX cult, why would he follow you?

[Muerrto]

Except Armlx has been pro-town all game long. Testing him or Ergo before Pooky and Farside, ESPECIALLY after Farside targetted DGB last night, is ludicrous.

Period.

[Muerrto]

And knowing Pooky's claim is bogus and voting someone else is ALSO ridiculous.

And if YOU'VE been blocked before tonight then Pooky might have more recruits.

[Muerrto]

So, Pooky's telling the truth and you're cult with them? K.

There is no drawback to this plan unless you are cult with them. Town will still win if they are telling the truth, period.

If a recruiter lives tonight? And we have 2-3 night kills available to the cults? You're joking.

I said it before, I'll say it again, you're paranoid.

[Muerrto]

If you kill a mason and we lose, this game is on your head.

[Muerrto]

Where is Armlx when you need a voice of reason? lol

@Mac: If the Andy thing didn't confirm me to you, nothing will.

@Kison:P Was that a large enough crumb for you?

[Muerrto]

Getting crumbs now, slow your role lol, there's 10 million of them.

Oh and Lowell, forgot about him. Remember how he's confirmed and protected me? Remember how I said 'I can't confirm or reject that, but don't do it tomorrow night?' Yeah that's cause it didn't work on me and I don't need protection.

Crumb crumb crumb, good stuff, long post coming.

[Muerrto]

You're kidding...

Like I said, I can elaborate here but I don't think itt's in the town's interest.

PS. If the town wants details about the validity of the claim I'll fill you in tomorrow. Still bad for the town but better than lynching a tracker.

Hm...I can honestly say there's no way I can confirm that but if you're telling the truth, don't tomorrow night.

Unvote

for now.

This in regards to Lowell saying he protected me. The CONFIRMED Lowell. I couldn't confirm it because it didn't work. Nothing works on me.

It's the same reason why Andy should've gotten no result, nothing works on me.

Next:

Not in this case...I can't elaborate further...

This to someone asking me if I can confirm Lowell.

But no, I can't verify whether he did or did not target me last night.

Don't make me claim. It sounded as if people were starting to suspect me. Move elsewhere. Period.

Just because he protected me does not make him more likely to have been recruited.

Because Lowell didn't protect me, it failed. So if people tried to recruit me, it still failed and didn't hit Lowell.

Awww I thought I was the most important one =(

Actually, I still think I am *shrug*

This in response to Pooky being the most important town role.

Hehe my alignment is town. That's been said by quite a few people already. And when it comes time that I have to claim, I'll do so and I'll be fully confirmed easily thanks to the rest of the game. Until then, I'm not claiming.

Questioning my alignment definitely won't put you in a better light with the town...

Don't make me claim, I'll be fully confirmed but it will help the cults enormously.

Shrug if you guys make me claim I'm gonna be pissed and you're gonna be sorry. I'm not sure how I've been 'town' all game and now all of a sudden because Pooky decided to show up and play and bring weird points on me I'm suspect?

Shrug. I'll help the town as long as I can until the town decides I've somehow been a cult the whole time lol

Because I can't die at night, I'll always be here. Hey, I actually say that later:

Lol nice try Ergo. Angling for recruitment? Boy you guys just want me dead something fierce. Just do it tonight geez.

Yep. I'm suicidal. That works.

This is egging on Ergo who I thought was cult at the time.

Me too, but it'll make sense eventually. I promise my 'claim early' playstyle is a thing of the past. There's method to my madness.

And I plan on fully claiming tomorrow because I'll still be here. I'll always be here.

Cause I can't die...

So yeah, I crumbed a tad. Armlx figured it out way back at Andy.

[Muerrto]

Good catches while I was posting Kison. I'm assuming this will sufficiently convince you.

[Muerrto]

It was definitely a nice claim. If he's legit I hate you all because you're all cult.

If he'd said 5 I'd have been hard pressed to not listen.

As for having that many cult, I doubt it. Not only do we have alot of blockers and unrecruitables, but if 2 cults both recruit Andy for instance, either both fail or 1 fails and the other gets him. With a limited number of recruitables, since we kind of killed off most of the town, I'd say only having a few cult left makes sense.

I do worry that if Armlx is recruitable that he's somehow not been recruited even though he's been one of the most vocal all game though.

[Muerrto]

Except that Kison and Mac both are calling out Farside. Which means neither is in her cult. Because they would lose if they do that.

Elvis possibly, but why give his results last night that he blocked Farside proving that Farside is the recruiter?

My thoughts, Farside is the last cult period. Otherwise her whole cult just bussed her.

Vote: Farside

[Muerrto]

Wait, was Pooky blocked again? No time to read back.

[Muerrto]

Well, if Kison's lying and he didn't see Farside, then Kison killed Andy and Farside is still

most likely

a recruiter.

This is our worst case scenario

and it's not that bad.

If Elvis is lying and he didn't block Farside then DGB would be dead unless Farside messed up in which case Elvis is a recruit and Farside is still the recruiter because Kison isn't.

If Mac is lying then Pooky killed Andy and Farside is still the recruiter because Kison isn't.

If 2 of those three are lying it opens a whole can of how did they just happen to have coinciding results. I doubt we have 2 recruits left.


Oh, and more confirming of Armlx/Ergo. Xtomx's results. I talked about Ergo and Farside being recruits and Armlx went on non-stop about there's no way Xtomx called out both his recruits, probably one's cult and the other's not etc.

[Muerrto]

Hm...I've always been told to ignore the mod's flavor text.

[Muerrto]

Ahh...I told you I need to play more non-newbie games.

So Elvis, Mac, then Kison?

Sounds right according to their role claims and results.

[Muerrto]

I just noticed that's 5. Farside is dead and it's night, right?

[Muerrto]

No. Just hadn't noticed we're done. I know I'll still be here tomorrow so good luck to the rest of you lol

[Muerrto]

If Mac's a recruit DGB will be blocked, same for Elvis.

Target Kison. If he's clean we kill 1 of the blockers. If he's not he dies.

If Elvis and Mac are clean neither will block DGB.

[Muerrto]

Mac and Elvis should use their ability on whichever of the other 2(Mac or Kison) they think are cult and Kison should watch DGB.

[Muerrto]

EBWOP: lol Mac, Elvis, or Kison

[Muerrto]

I think Farside's fire and Elvis is earth because he's been not really here and that's everyone.

[Muerrto]

Mac and Kison both seem legit and both can't be under Farside thanks to their voting and I doubt either of you were under Nmeme either.

[Muerrto]

True. I just noticed that if Elvis is the last one that we've had only TWO recruits all game. But maybe 4 cults was too much competition?

[Muerrto]

And Kison watches DGB. Works for me.

[Muerrto]

Can't wait for the night actions to be revealed.

[Muerrto]

And I sit back and hope it doesn't come down to 2 cult and me lol. When I read the role I was like cool, I can't die. Then I was like um...that's like being immortal and watching everyone around you die off lol

[Muerrto]

I do honestly. Being guaranteed to be there on the last day unless I screw up and get myself lynched is pretty cool.

[Muerrto]

Do all the blocks stop kills? Elvis? Mac?

[Muerrto]

And we won't be able to talk once we find out so we need to plan for both now.

[Muerrto]

Unless Farside is the recruiter and then we know we're at least done with recruiting and we just have to find the last recruits. You'll most likely die then.

[Muerrto]

DGB will die if blocks don't stop kills most likely. Elvis? Mac? Can we get a confirmation?

Also, why is Kison lying? I still think it's mod error. Giving Kison his results before remembering that Farside was blocked etc. He blocked Farside's action but not his movement. It's exactly what happened between me and Andy.

[Muerrto]

I agree on the not blocking Mac but what Armlx is saying is that while you would be blocked, the chain tells us exactly who the cult is since the chain breaks.

I'd say atm since DGB is confirming you, you're not cult.

Elvis claimed unrecruitable way too early and it was strange, very.

[Muerrto]

Woops, switched you and Elvis and I definitely believe your claim so nm

[Muerrto]

No deaths. So someone was blocked. Nice.

Results?

[Muerrto]

So Mac is confirmed if Kison is telling the truth. And so is Kison for that matter. Unless he gambited on being successfully blocked.

Because Kison couldn't kill if jailed and if there were no kills and Elvis didn't block then someone tried to kill Kison. Or tried to kill me and wasn't paying attention *shrug* A possibility I suppose but not likely.

FoS: Elvis

Vote pending.

[Muerrto]

And you guys were really masons? Wow. Common role mixed in a game with funky ones. Makes sense the way you two acted towards each other tho.

[Muerrto]

And you guys were really masons? Wow. Common role mixed in a game with funky ones. Makes sense the way you two acted towards each other tho.

Watcher, Jailkeep, RB, Tracker, Cop, and SK are all pretty common, as is Survior.

True, all the fake claims were weird and um...fake. I'm gonna shut up now and wait for Mac.

[Muerrto]

If Kison was blocked by Mac, then Mac isn't cult unless he chose not to kill since he wasn't blocked by you.

If Kison was blocked by Mac then either someone tried to kill Kison or Kison is the last cult.

Oh, and either way there's only 1 cult left unless they happened to pick the exact same target.

[Muerrto]

I think he meant they can't recruit. Nothing in the rules says they lose their abilities. I always assumed they didn't.

[Muerrto]

Naw, Elvis. But we'll wait for Mac and DGB.

Still, we kill 1 then the other, still win.

No chance for town loss atm.

[Muerrto]

(sorry to triple post) Which is just insane after how day 1 went.

[Muerrto]

But Farside tried to recruit DGB we said, right? I thought you said you can't block kills Elvis?

[Muerrto]

I'd like an answer from Elvis first.

[Muerrto]

I can only block cult recruiters from recruiting.

That's specifically what I want addressed.

[Muerrto]

I agree with Kison. Elvis needs to die. But I wanna hear from Mac and DGB and Elvis first.

[Muerrto]

How can you believe Elvis, Armlyx, when he posts this:

I can only block cult recruiters from recruiting.

Then this:

If I didn't block Farside the other night, why isn't DGB dead?

???

Sorry. Die Elvis scum.

[Muerrto]

No he got a didn't move and I disputed it.

Also my myriad of crumbs I posted a couple pages back.

Also, no one blocked me so why didn't I kill?

[Muerrto]

Ah agreed Ergo about Elvis, was just bad wording then.

[Muerrto]

Wish Mac and DGB would show up lol

[Muerrto]

Still want DGB's result just in case but yeah, I guess Kison lying makes sense except why lie about seeing Farside go after DGB? That makes total sense and may have actually happened except Farside was blocked. Weird coincidence.

Anyway, with me, Armlx, DGB, and Ergo all confirmed town we can't lose anyway so whatever. Let's kill Kison after DGB checks in.

[Muerrto]

And there she is. So Kison then?

Vote: Kison

[Muerrto]

There's only 1 cult and I'd say since Kison was jailed he's the best guess.

[Muerrto]

Ask yourself this, Mac : why would I make up that result on Farside? I would have had to have known she was scum. Why would I guess that?

But Elvis said he blocked Farside. How would you have known the mod would rule that if you're blocked you wouldn't be seen by a watcher?

[Muerrto]

Mac asked though is what I'm saying, not Kison. Mac asked BM what a watcher would see if the person coming at his target got blocked. BM said he'd see nothing. Kison said he saw Farside go after DGB AFTER Elvis said he blocked Farside so Kison knew it was safe at that point to claim that result. Mac called him on it saying you couldn't see Farside because of BM's ruling that Kison didn't know about.

Good job Mac btw on asking a rules ruling like that after the Andy thing.

[Muerrto]

And Mac already said just that while I was typing lol.

In my defense I'm at work.

[Muerrto]

Town still wins, it's all good.

[Muerrto]

Unvote, Vote: Elvis

to end this back and forth.

Good luck to everyone if the game's still on.

[Muerrto]

Hehe I'd have killed Mac. No way Kison would try to watch me after my claim but Mac can block my kill.

[Muerrto]

Definitely /in for next if you'll have me.

I'm glad I was finally able to convince the town of my innocence so I could STAB YOU ALL IN THE BACK FOR THE TROPHY!!! Muhahahaha!

Anyway, absolutely awesome game BM. I don't think it was unfair to the cults at all. Some of their recruitment choices were poor based on the posts that had occured and our role blockers were quite good at targetting the right people.

Maybe make more power roles recruitable but I think the only reason the cults didn't get more recruits is because the town killed off all the recruitables lol

<3 at Mizzy for the recruit attempt.

@Kison: Sig'd

Awesome game people. And thanks a ton to the mod team that had to put up with us complaining about deadlines and voting and what not.

[Muerrto]

I gotta disagree with the cultists. The game seemed very balanced to me, and until lurking became the play of choice for the recruiters, the town was headed for destruction. Some unlucky and some bad night choices by the cults as well as all the recruiters lurking and being nailed pretty much in 1 day was really the downfall.

Why did the recruiters all feel like lurking would help them? If I was a recruiter I would've done the same thing I did as town, run the town, push the lynches faster, make people rush and make bad decisions. It worked quite well for the cults day 1.

Oh, and a HUGE 'that sucks!' to CKD for being killed night 0!!! As a JESTER?!?!?

[Muerrto]

You were lynched at that point anyway Pooky. But yeah, drunken posts sometimes turn out bad. Been there, done that.

Loved your claim, it was just the 6 elements that made the claim fake. If you'd said 5 elements I'd have been torn on believing you.

With 5 instead of 6 elements I think you could've got me lynched perhaps.

[Muerrto]

Awww fake? I thought you were really drunk. Was some good drunk posting.

That's why no one ever believes my drunk posts =( People fake em.

[Muerrto]

Ahahahahahaha! That's great!

[Muerrto]

Really? I mean, day 1 we lynched a bunch of people and they were ALL town except the SK and survivor.

Let's do math.

25 people. SK kills 1 night 0 and cults recruit 2(I'd say 2 out of 4 recruit attempts are normal, cult had some bad luck this game)

So now it's 1 SK, 6 cult, and 17 town. Town kills 3 people and we'll give them a HUGE bump in odds and say they killed 1 cult and 2 town(with the current numbers they have a much higher chance of hitting 3 town).

Night 1 we've got 1 SK, 5 cult, and 15 town. SK kills 1, cult recruit 2 again(again good odds with these numbers)

Day 2 we've got 1 SK, 7 cult?? , and 13 town. This just gets worse as we go along.

3 lynches per day is definitely not enough.

Day 3 the cults already almost outnumber the town. The cults simply had bad luck this game with their choices. Some were bad, some were unlucky.

[Muerrto]

No chance after claiming 6 elements. But yeah, the lynches per day should be set and decrease. The increment was fine, the seeming randomness was a bit concerning.