Guns & Roses III [Game over]

[Datisi]

There are 9 Town Roses remaining.

sons i am disappoint

Hi VOTE: Aaron Fucking Frost

[Datisi]

I was trying to find some variation of "he said what we were all thinking" or "he's brave for telling the truth" in gif form but i didn't find anything good in the 3 minutes i was searching

[Datisi]

Your puns are stale and I'm a big fucking bulli

[Datisi]

Calling it now the scum team is literally datisi, SS

There's 3 scum tho

[Datisi]

@GL do you think 35 was genuine?

I thought it was presented in a joking manner (and Salamence has since said it was RVS/joke) but personally I viewed it as something that's worth a non-RVS vote and I was kinda hoping Salamence felt the same. I think if you genuinely forgot when posting that there were 3 scum then that's a townslip and Datisi pointing it out yet without any thought to your alignment feels like something scum might do.

I didn't point it out as a "Townslip" becuase I genuinely don't believe it to be so. (1) I'm p sure (which he later confirmed) that even town!Mena would know how many scum there are, and (2) I thought it was obviously a joke of "call whoever called my puns bad the scumteam [despite knowing it's not the correct number]", "that's not the correct number"

And I think you misunderstand, even if you knew already there were 3 scum you may not have been explicitly thinking about that when joking that the scumteam is 2 people. Which would still be a townslip bc I don't think scum would forget that so easily

I think this is a good reason Mena is town but not a good reason that

whatsit

is scum.

Is this supposed to be me?
Also, is it really a good reason to consider him Town when he said that both scum! and town!him would've known the correct number?

I just said Mena is null for the whole argument. Part of me could townread him for not trying to use it to get himself more towncred,

but then Datisi is in the game so....

And what does that have to do with anything?

do you see/agree with what I'm saying about how her comment is kinda awkward in that she's making a joke about something that might be a townslip yet not addressing that it might be a townslip

this is the main item that makes me doubt here

It was a pretty Obvious townslip and dats ignored that part

why do you see it as an obvious townslip and not as a joke?

I feel like it was a townslip from menal, but datisi is known for

knowing

stuff.

Again, what do these two have to do with each other? Why couldn't it have been both? And what exactly do you mean by me ~*knowing*~ stuff?

Datisi is always scum tho, apart from when she’s obvtown

Or she acts obvtown so that she can deepwolf but ends up being scum in the end.

*

cue flashbacks to Newbie 1949

*

love you too AFF

[Datisi]

I guess I would then clarify that it's jokingly correcting Mena but then not doing anything else that I find scummy, not the act of correcting itself

Err, what else was I supposed to do? Or are you referring to me being absent from the thread in general?

[Datisi]

Also mathematically speaking Icon's scum here 60% of the time

and his recent posts make me think it's >60% so
VOTE: Icon

[Datisi]

Ah ok, I didn't realize what exactly that second part was referring to. Thank.

[Datisi]

do you see/agree with what I'm saying about how her comment is kinda awkward in that she's making a joke about something that might be a townslip yet not addressing that it might be a townslip

this is the main item that makes me doubt here

It was a pretty Obvious townslip and dats ignored that part

why do you see it as an obvious townslip and not as a joke?

I feel like it was a townslip from menal, but datisi is known for

knowing

stuff.

Again, what do these two have to do with each other? Why couldn't it have been both? And what exactly do you mean by me ~*knowing*~ stuff?

Can you answer me these two then please? And the "dats ignored that part" makes me feel like you're trying to throw shade.

[Datisi]

I've just woken up and am still catching up on the thread. What's up?

[Datisi]

Assuming that anyone didn't know there were 3 scum in this game seems... uninformed? idk.

What do you mean by uninformed? In what way? And I know this was said wrt alimdia, but I then assume your original vote wasn't serious?

Is the Icon vote real? The explanation seemed a bit jokey.
Btw it's not a gambler's fallacy.

Pedit: i don't think I'll be very spam-posty this game

Lemme look again if icon said anything else after I'd gone

[Datisi]

Why not a joke? I don't know. I didn't read it as a joke. I think if ur scum, and fully aware of 3p scumteam, you don't post it like that. It felt too fluent.

I still don't think it was a Townslip. And am I then NAI for that interaction or not?

[Datisi]

Re: Mena, Icon did ping me wrt talking about my comment there, but I do like 170 (and agree w it a lot, am feeling a bit stuck rn myself)

So eh
I'm fine keeping my vote there for a bit longer

[Datisi]

I guess I would then clarify that it's jokingly correcting Mena but then not doing anything else that I find scummy, not the act of correcting itself

Err, what else was I supposed to do? Or are you referring to me being absent from the thread in general?

I think it's fundamentally just that I disagree with you that Menalque is likely to be thinking "3 is the correct number but I'm going to joke that it's only 2 people are scum". I thought it was town-indicative if not a straight townslip and I felt some kinda recognition that it was +town-indicative was missing from how you replied to him.

What's your read on Menalque now?

Hm. I guess it's agree to disagree since I think that (1) town!Mena would definitely know how many scum there are and (2) scum!Mena's got enough of a brain to fake a ~townslip~ like that.

He's a Townlean. Other than general ~tone~, 116 and 117 make me think that was because (1) I think I'd be someone scum!him would try to pocket so idk if he'd post 116, and if he was using it as basis for puching me later then I doubt he'd be BoP-ing himself wth 117 (since it is true).

[Datisi]

What's the case against Aaron, GL?

[Datisi]

I think its a good place to put my vote for now. His 149 bugs me and he hasn't done anything to make me think hes town yet.

Why does 149 bug you though?

If Icon is usually (60%) scum, then he is scum in this game is gamblers fallacy.

That's not what I was thinking about when I got that number.

[Datisi]

Does Pret always act like this?

[Datisi]

i dont really get scum vibes from ico this game.

Have you played with Icon before?

[Datisi]

So what's your read on AFF?

[Datisi]

Hmmm
I thought Aaron was Towny too, and Icon should be solvable in later days
yeah sure

VOTE: Amrun

What's your read on me?

[Datisi]

I mean, I'm not having hysterics, true
The game is still kinda hard for me to get into for some reason, and I think I'm waiting on replies from a couple of players, plus a p busy week
I'll go a bit more into tryhard mode in a day or two

[Datisi]

Why not a joke? I don't know. I didn't read it as a joke.

I think if ur scum, and fully aware of 3p scumteam, you don't post it like that. It felt too fluent.

I still don't think it was a Townslip. And am I then NAI for that interaction or not?

Your reaction is NAI.

Him joking about the scumteam is probably NAI. I saw something. I called it out. Make of it what you will.
Some of you are acting like I hard-townread him for that slip, which isn't true.

so wait am I NAI for it or not then?

[Datisi]

@Menal: That case is far too boring to spend my time on tbh but I’ll touch on a few salient points.

Not answering a direct question is usually scummy, or at least belligerent, but it does depend on what the question was. In this case, it was me being a derp and missing the answer. The vote was still weird, though.
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I mean (1) the fact you went “eh still a weird vote” feels like you were looking for an excuse to vote him and idk why that’s natural? Also I disagree that not answering a direct question is scummy when the simplest explanation is that the person just missed it?
---

1) It depends on the question and the context. In this particular case, I was trying to reaction test alim but it didn’t work because I’m dumb. I kept my vote there because the vote was still the thing that pinged me the most up to that point.
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Eh, any reason why you didn't say so about the reaction test in 339 right away?

[Datisi]

I think its a good place to put my vote for now. His 149 bugs me and he hasn't done anything to make me think hes town yet.

Why does 149 bug you though?

I've already answered this.

Looking at your 149 again. I think it looks like took my 35 seriously, I don't understand how Menal "Townslipped."

Also I'm not sure what you are going on about in reference to Pretentious 41.

Oh, I missed that, my bad.

Idk, that's not the post that made me think Icon was scummy. Do you think him taking 35 seriously is scummy? You seemed to award Creature a TR for it in 87, and I don't think you called out GL over it either?

[Datisi]

Btw i just learned icon is not a guy. Neat.

yeah he's a dragon

[Datisi]

okay, so still waiting for answers from... GL and Creature?
Oh yeah I asked DDL about his history with Icon somewhere I think

Mena, alim, S_S, Aaron can be Town
Icon is Icon
I'm good with my current vote
Sala is weird idk what to make of him yet
Pret I've no bloody clue on
Dog kinda needs to post more they have a cute avi but idk
tex also
I'm me
cheers

[Datisi]

maybe partly that
I think someone also outlined (was it Mena? idk) that they appeared to be much more sure of their vote of Aaron at first and then did were like "might be scum might not lol"
i didn't exactly like their response to Mena's case either

the Dogwatch vote was (1) weird - they didn't show any signs of not SRing Aaron, and are kinda just asking hm questions but I don't think they're elaborating of their read there much?
and in 390 they said

You seem to be an odd duck that matches to your own drummer, so

I’m not sure yet that any of this is NAI.

However, it is still bad.

which kinda reads weird, like groundwork for justifying a vote there later?

(2) and the fact they were like "inb4 this vote scummy" is just meh imo
like
they knew someone was gonna say something
so better
joke about it first

[Datisi]

Not really, in my experience I've seen scum go balls hard on a "scumread", but once it doesn't exactly take off, they start backpedalling into "eh he was kinda scummy right guys riiiight??" until they jump onto another vote.

[Datisi]

@Menal: That case is far too boring to spend my time on tbh but I’ll touch on a few salient points.

Not answering a direct question is usually scummy, or at least belligerent, but it does depend on what the question was. In this case, it was me being a derp and missing the answer. The vote was still weird, though.
---

I mean (1) the fact you went “eh still a weird vote” feels like you were looking for an excuse to vote him and idk why that’s natural? Also I disagree that not answering a direct question is scummy when the simplest explanation is that the person just missed it?
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1) It depends on the question and the context. In this particular case, I was trying to reaction test alim but it didn’t work because I’m dumb. I kept my vote there because the vote was still the thing that pinged me the most up to that point.
---

Eh, any reason why you didn't say so about the reaction test in 339 right away?

Do you fundamentally understand joe reaction tests are intended to work? Basically everything I post is some sort of reaction test. That’s how the game is played.

I think I do? But if the whole reaction test was botched anyway because you missed their answer, why not out ~that part of the reaction test~ in 339, but rather after further being called out?

Can you actually provide any examples of scum acting like this?

If you mean "going hard against someone then backpedaling once the push isn't working as well as hoped", Newbie 1949 - Korina pushing for Mena's lynch at first because BS reasons then slowly backing down and letting another lynch through.

[Datisi]

I mean I disagree that it would've been a "waste of time" since you then got called out on stuff that was explained by you saying it was a reaction test. If you'd said so right away then surely that part wouldn't have happened?

And I feel like your tone is being unnecessarily aggressive with me? I don't think I'm pushing you/threatening you that hard, I wasn't asking you to /change/ your behaviour, I wasn't saying you need to explain ALL your thought processes?

[Datisi]

Do you fundamentally understand joe reaction tests are intended to work? Basically everything I post is some sort of reaction test. That’s how the game is played.

Can you actually provide any examples of scum acting like this?

I’m also not threatened in any capacity and have no reason to change my reads or behavior for any reason.

These parts gave me the overdefensive/aggressive vibe fwiwi.

What's your read on me?

[Datisi]

Maybe so. Maybe I'm reading too much into "can you provide examples" vs "can you actually provide any examples".

Hm. I was a bit weirded out by 470 because the last part read almost tmi-y wrt my alignment, because I don't think I've been extremely Towny this game, especially from your pov since I've just sheeped another player onto you with a very boring case.

[Datisi]

I'm me

Whaaaaaaat

And I feel like your tone is being unnecessarily aggressive with me? I don't think I'm pushing you/threatening you that hard, I wasn't asking you to /change/ your behaviour, I wasn't saying you need to explain ALL your thought processes?

Do you think that aggressive behavior is more likely to come from scum? I honestly don't see Amrun's posting as super aggressive and have actually been liking her posting a little more on this page.

I felt a need to include myself in the list, I don't know. I am me though.

And usually not, but I've noticed that I tend to Townread people who get (imo unnecessarily) aggressive with me, which recently cost me a game as well. That's the vibe I got from the posts I quoted.

[Datisi]

You saying that you had a Townlean on me when I asked you about your read is not tmi. As I said, I was referring to this as tmi-y:

I don’t think you understand my playstyle, which is ok.

It struck me was weird because I didn't exactly see much reason for you to see me as Town, and therefore kinda confidently assume I'm Town and misunderstanding your playstyle, rather than scum trying to BS push your lynch through.

[Datisi]

Datisi why are you not posting more

I'm having a hard time getting into this game for some reason

I mean to say Datisi and creature would look worse than the others on a townflip since they actually look to be decent players

lol

Hey Datisi, do you always do notetaking in your own pt?

Nope, I've done it in just one game

[Datisi]

Like when I pressed her about it she finally gave 462 which for the most part just described behaviors and didn't say why they were likely to come from scum.

Yeah, those were the behaviors that made me comfortable enough to be on the wagon/that I could see as scum-indicative

I thought my progression of "hey look this looks like a semi-decent case might as well throw my vote there" was self-explanatory

[Datisi]

Why did you vote gl just to change your vote a couple of posts later?

[Datisi]

Yeah that's fair, I'm kinda asking why?

[Datisi]

Texcat, how come you haven't posted anything in almost two days, but you posted about an hour after of someone calling you out? And just to defend yourself?

[Datisi]

You didn't post anything for almost 2 days, but almost as soon as someone mentioned that they'd like more info from you, you appear

[Datisi]

Is there really no other reasoning you've kept your vote on GL, @texcat? Nothing else from him you find AI one way or the other?

VOTE: Creature

I don't wanna flip GL. I'm still okay going back to Amrun if possible, but I'm definitely not impressed by Creature so far either.

[Datisi]

they were the first on Amawesome, they immediately went to creature.

this makes me scum because?

[Datisi]

> trying to get a lynch in on people they don't TR
> "positioning"

ok

[Datisi]

I'm annoyed I'm being scumread for the wrong reasons yes
because I'm not scum

[Datisi]

lemme guess, vote DDL?

[Datisi]

lemme guess, vote DDL?

I love it when u read my mind

tbh I think I'd rather flip Creature than DDL today
though DDL before GL so I

could

switch later but

[Datisi]

tbh that post was NAI to maaaaybe a tad Town indicative

[Datisi]

What is it

[Datisi]

ok
make a case or sth
i'll vote DDL in the morning if it convinces me he's worse than Creature

[Datisi]

Like I have a high confidence in getting to a correct read on datisi (ftr I’ve read here right every game we’ve had together since our first) and I don’t see scum her yet

Like maybe a little from the hesitance to be in thread but she’s still a tonal TL so I’m not willing to go there today

But I know ur worried about the fact that Datisi is

not quite

in her town meta as she usually is when town

Was there any point to posting this? Do you agree with it?

Amrun, now THAT was a good wagon

You still dislike their posting? If so, why not try to get people back?

[Datisi]

Deadline is sorta soon-ish though, are all of Creature/GL/DDL a hard null to you?

And sure, I know I'm not hard in my Town meta of spamposting and yelling at everyone. But I think it's a bit ~suspicious~ to post that (1) just after someone's expressed willingness to vote me, (2) sewing doubt aimed at someone who is expressing UNwillingness to vote me, and (3) knowing that the only time I "wasn't in my Town meta" and you lynched me for that I flipped Town.

[Datisi]

it's discussing your allignment

in a game of mafia

"yo mena, dats isn't quite in her

town meta

aren't you worried wink wink"

Deadline is sorta soon-ish though, are all of Creature/GL/DDL a hard null to you?

i'm completely caught up, i've not skipped a single page

and yet I have no real reason to vote on either wagon other then 'deadline soon'

yeah what about it?

Okay?
What constitutes as a reason to vote btw? Because your next post said you didn't like GL's interaction with you.

and about Amrun: it wasn't his posting, it was his voting that stood out to me btw

Which votes btw?

[Datisi]

I mean you have a very, ehm, forthcoming? way of playing town. It really stands out. And I'm not seeing that here, yet. That's exactly what I was trying to see how Menal feels about it (him having a ton of experience with you as well).

Yeah, in most cases I do. But it's tiring, and sometimes I do want to take a back seat for a bit.

And both the timing and the phrasing of the remark felt insincere to me. Plus, you've much more experience with town!me than he does, and you've seen me play this way as Town and get mislynched before.

[Datisi]

Mini Normal 2095. Hurr durr Datisi is so far out of her Town meta it's ridiculous. Oop, she flipped Green.

And yes, I am, since I had a feeling your comment might have not been made in the best faith.

[Datisi]

Imma be real with you chief
I didn't read that
I'll take a peek but i have some 2 hours of free time for a nap so don't expect any in depth analysis

[Datisi]

Ye I'm not sold in it either honestly

[Datisi]

Oh look 3 new pages while I was knocked out nice

[Datisi]

Iconeum’s weird half-shade on Datisi is bad

She even admitted as much as it being accurate. How is it bad?

I admitted that the "I'm not hard in my Town meta part" was accurate. I still think the shade itself was garbage thank you very much.

[Datisi]

Please don't compare dragon to TSE thank you

[Datisi]

He's at 5 votes rn

[Datisi]

Why the unvote?

[Datisi]

I don't know of how much help I'll be with regards to 1949, chief. I was scum that game, and Aaron was my winning mislynch. I spent exactly zero effort thinking about how I would've been reading him if I was Town, the only thing on my mind was how to set him up as the fall guy in f3 in case the 5p lylo 1v1 between the real Cop and my partner failed.

[Datisi]

Fuck it.

VOTE: DrDolittle

Creature and GL just look like such blatant mislynches to me.

If GL looks like a blatant mislynch to you, where were you when his wagon was building? The only post I could find was 880, and that isn't exactly too strong of a defense of someone you think is a "blatant" mislynch.

No, i prefer a lynch we can make happen over a mislynch.

So, your idea of "making a lynch happen" is parking your vote on the dude who's had one vote on him previously, whose main pusher was supposed to be making a case but is nowhere to be seen, with people expressing that they do not want to vote for him, with ~10h on the clock, and then doing nothing else about it.

[Datisi]

Sala, what changed from posts like these:

Also Datisi is living to D2 unless mafia has a gun or shes the NK.

Datish
Amrun
DrDolittle
AaronFrost

Pick one to lynch

Datisi, the wagon that started it all, the wagon Menal wants, and the wagon Menal diverted the amrun wagon with.

Fucking hate all of this

To this?

Right now I think Menal is town, SS is my super serious partner in crime until further notice, GL looks towny, Pretentious/DDL/Icon/Tex die before endgame. DW is slimy, Almidia idk, Datisi is questionable.

[Datisi]

"i'm not this crap as scum" is a great argument indeed

[Datisi]

Datisi idk why, my reads are all over the place because of the fact we havent hammered yet.

The resistance HAS to be scum driven.

I refuse to think town would wait this long to hammer.’

so if the resistance is scum driven, why am I getting lower on your list then?

[Datisi]

it's a yellow dot for Icon

[Datisi]

tbh wish he answered 1321 but ~alright~

pedit: i think he wouldn't show up at all if he turned off "appear online" in chat?

[Datisi]

Well, this post Exists, but I kinda doubt Pret was shot because of it

If theres a town N1 gun:

If Creature is town shoot pret for acting informed

[Datisi]

Oh, are we gonna get the DDL case today?

[Datisi]

Scum can pick Guns, Aaron

[Datisi]

Hah, it actually read to me as a fake ~townslip~

[Datisi]

Hmm, I was waiting for you to ask that. Not much.

[Datisi]

So probably only worth claiming if it outs a rose claim that’s a lie bc someone was shot on a night and didn’t die but is claiming rose for a different night

I'm not sure I agree with this when (1) scum has v low odds of picking rose in the first place and (2) town roses have a reason to fakeclaim their night

[Datisi]

Also scum is almost certainly going to claim rose?

yes, but the fact that someone was shot and didn't die means they ARE a rose
and scum is v unlikely to pick a rose
so the fact that they didn't die is mechanically town!indicative

[Datisi]

i mean he did

but that's fb

[Datisi]

VOTE: Aaron

[Datisi]

Hah, it actually read to me as a fake ~townslip~

What would I have to gain by faking a townslip? I wouldn't even consider that a townslip either.

The reaction in 1399. You'd have ez TR's to gain. And coming in the day wondering if the kill was made by scum or Town (when it's much more likely both were made by scum) sounds like a ~townslip~ to me.

Plus, that whole part about "figuring out if Pret's been shot by scum or Town" and listing 7 people he was suspecting feels a bit like both fake busywork and insincere, since one of Creature's last pushes was you.

[Datisi]

Finally, I think the town gun should claim if they are a Night 1 or Night 2 gun. It's basically a innocent child if nobody CC's

Also I don't think we should have the Town gun out, at least not yet?

[Datisi]

@mod, I'm voting Aaron

[Datisi]

Hah, it actually read to me as a fake ~townslip~

What would I have to gain by faking a townslip? I wouldn't even consider that a townslip either.

The reaction in 1399. You'd have ez TR's to gain. And coming in the day wondering if the kill was made by scum or Town (when it's much more likely both were made by scum) sounds like a ~townslip~ to me.

Plus, that whole part about "figuring out if Pret's been shot by scum or Town" and listing 7 people he was suspecting feels a bit like both fake busywork and insincere, since one of Creature's last pushes was you.

So because Creature was scumreading me that means everything I do is fake and insincere?

That logic might hold up if Creature was still in the game, but he's not. And even if he was, his read on me wouldn't effect how I play the game.

I never said that. What I was referring to (and which struck me as odd) is that you listed out all the names Pret gave out as possible scumbuddies of mine. I think Town would be more likely to just name Pret's strongest SR (me) then to list a bunch of names out. Why did you a bit after listing them conclude that both kills were probably made by scum?

And how would that logic be still holding up if Creature were alive?

[Datisi]

So that just leaves ddl but again, idk if scum!him leaves me alive after my D1 push

Pret was the only person besides yourself who actually ended up voting DDL, and he's dead. Any reason you don't mention it/take it into account?

Plus, not like your DDL push was that hard (or working). S'there a reason to think scum!DDL fear-kills you like that?

[Datisi]

Hmm, I was waiting for you to ask that. Not much.

I don’t love this answer btw datisi

The dude's done p much nothing other than toot his own horn, call me scum and hunt for my ~buddies~. I'm not devastated he's dead.

[Datisi]

I never said that. What I was referring to (and which struck me as odd) is that you listed out all the names Pret gave out as possible scumbuddies of mine. I think Town would be more likely to just name Pret's strongest SR (me) then to list a bunch of names out. Why did you a bit after listing them conclude that both kills were probably made by scum?

And how would that logic be still holding up if Creature were alive?

If it was a scum kill then at least one person in that list likely scum. Saying 'oh it must have been Datisi because that was Pret's strongest scum read' is very surface level.

And if Creature is still alive and scumreading me, then scum!me is going to do everything I can to look town. Since he was lynched, if I were scum I'd be breathing a huge sigh of relief right now.

Town!me isn't going to let another player's read on me effect how I play.

Do you think there's scum in that list? Who do you suspect?

And okay, but that logic could still only hold true if you were scum to begin with?

[Datisi]

So that just leaves ddl but again, idk if scum!him leaves me alive after my D1 push

Pret was the only person besides yourself who actually ended up voting DDL, and he's dead. Any reason you don't mention it/take it into account?

Plus, not like your DDL push was that hard (or working). S'there a reason to think scum!DDL fear-kills you like that?

I forgot about that, but I still think ddl would want to kill me over FL bc I think FL was more preoccupied with you than with him

Also I think ddl probably knows me enough to know that a push not gaining ground is something I’m likely to double down on pushing rather than forget about, and also bc he knows I can get pushes through

What’s your ddl read?

What do you think about my argument for why we should lynch off wagon?

You've played with DDL before?

Same as yesterday, disinterested nullish-Town.

I'm still thinking about it, I've never played a game that wasn't a Micro, I'm not yet familiar with VCA in this setting. Plus I'd like to revisit a couple of things from D1 properly, and I probably won't have time for that until Monday.

[Datisi]

Like there isn’t enough there for me to have a solid read yet

I have some paranoia around SS mostly bc I felt like he was resisting everything I was trying to do D1 and I think normally we’ve worked quite cooperatively together? But still think he’s prob town

So that just leaves ddl but again, idk if scum!him leaves me alive after my D1 push

Or that's what scum!him wants you to think. Don't drink the wine.

Do you think DDL is scum?

[Datisi]

Also, hmm

hmm?

[Datisi]

i am here ama

got any reads to share?

[Datisi]

Also I think there was at least one effort to create a counterwagon on ddl and I thought on someone else too?

Does getting one more vote about 10h before deadline really count as an effort for a counterwagon?

[Datisi]

yoink

Also, both of them are in my Town pile independently, but I have a 9000IQ tinfoil theory of the whole Mena/DDL push being SvS theatre

[Datisi]

Why no mention of Amrun/DDL?

Because Amrun/DDL didn't give me the ~slight SvS vibe~ that Mena/DDL did

Ye i didn't mention Amrun anymore since other things were happening and also my read on them is still kinda ???

And yes I get onto my buddy's wagon the instance Mena makes a case only to shade him later and I also let my partner's wagon grow to L-1 without attempting to defuse it or build a counterwagon you've cracked the case Sherlock

[Datisi]

You think DDL is scummy I guess, and you think he's potentially theatring with Menal of all players?

For the record, what gave me this impression was that
(1) Mena builds a case again Amrun
(2) Amrun wagon starts picking up
(3) Mena then starts callind DDL scummy while doing nothing to case him
(4) one person decides to jump on that wagon
(5) that one person ends up dead
(6) Mena then drops his DDL push on the basis of "scum!DDL would've killed me last night" even though literally 50% of the DDL wagon support was killed

Just because I'm TRing them both independently doesn't mean I won't call out things I find potentially suspicious

Whatever other concerns you have I'll have to address them in like an hour and a half to maybe two hours because I've got a test to fail in a bit here so I'll get to it later

[Datisi]

ackchyually this is gonna wait because after over 24 hours of awake time I am not functional

leave any burning questions you have and I will address them Tomorrow™

I'm gonna go pass out now

godspeed gentlemen

[Datisi]

I don't think that's @me tho

[Datisi]

How can you honestly be trying to sort DDL if ur not saying Amrun in the same sentence?

Okay not sure what these two have to with eachother?

[Datisi]

GL, are those two posts the only thing that dropped me from strong Town straight into your lynchpool?

Ftr, 1407 and 1408 felt really fake to me, that's why I was bringing them up. Aaron doesn't feel necessarily "scummy" to me either, but something just sorta feels ~off~. The problem is that there's a quite a bit of slots I'm not exactly TRing.

[Datisi]

I am with you on DW looking Not Good, and I quite like 1453, I've been waiting for their reply to that. But I'm overall not TRing Aaron either, and most of my lower reads are PoE rather than actual SR's.

Yeah, I am kinda sorta starting to suspect him, mostly due to that weird DDL push, I don't know what to make of it.

[Datisi]

TRs: {GL, Icon, S_S, alimdia}
TRs but what was that push: {Mena, DDL}
PoE: {Aaron, DW, Tex, Amrun}

This is where I am ftr

And I think I called you Town once, which was after the first wagon on you that I felt emerged for BS reasons.

[Datisi]

Not sure I get it but ok

[Datisi]

zzz half the day's gone and we've done jack shit
VOTE: Dogwatch
L-2

Icon, where's your mind at? Gonna slap a vote somewhere today?

[Datisi]

Oh fuck me, a man takes one measely 15 hour nap and all of the sudden there are 5 new pages and one replacement after 2 days of inactivity

Ok first thing I'm not sure what you mean about the PoE, Aaron? Yeah nobody is conftown but those are people that I was to some extent TRing so... ?

[Datisi]

alright I gotta run for now but I have been considering another go at the DDL wagon because I haven't liked his D2 play at all -

most recently the way he asked me about my comment on his reads while also claiming to townread me was kinda jank

GL what is exactly the issue here?

[Datisi]

I want to do dog watch. I think dog watch is scum if amrun is and is fairly likely scum if amrun is not

Why is DW all of a sudden a stronger (?) SR for you rather thsn Amrun?

[Datisi]

Also, I'm not comfortable with Menal pushing DDL. I didn't like the DDL wagon on D1, and I don't like the push on DDL now.

Ok so what happened from you calling Mena one of the Towniest slots in the game?

[Datisi]

I've kinda skimmed both MenavGL and S_SvAmrun will probably reread it more in depth later

Has the day finally come where we will get a DDL case?

[Datisi]

Fukin pagetop

[Datisi]

Doesn't PoE literally refer to the group of people you're not TRing?

I don't have any strong scumreads, that part is very correct

[Datisi]

hmmmm

Aaron why did it seem Townie to you that Amrun did an Ico meta check?

[Datisi]

I am genuinely getting annoyed at this game
We have less than 3 days
I don't feel like I have any strong SRs
And half my TRs have questionable moments

Aaron is again starting to remind me of myself in 1949
VOTE: Aaron

[Datisi]

GL, you've mentioned High Noon a couple of times wrt reading Amrun. Does my play from that game influence your read in any way?

[Datisi]

@mod, I'm voting Aaron

[Datisi]

I don't know, the way he's speaking sorta, the TR on Amrun was weird, the reasoning feels weird, and the way he kept talking about PoE just reminds me of stuff scum!me did in that game

That said... I would really like to hear your answer to 1453

[Datisi]

DW, how caught up are you? I was the first to spit out the DDL/Mena tinfoil theory before that

[Datisi]

Also, both of them are in my Town pile independently, but I have a 9000IQ tinfoil theory of the whole Mena/DDL push being SvS theatre

You think DDL is scummy I guess, and you think he's potentially theatring with Menal of all players?

For the record, what gave me this impression was that
(1) Mena builds a case again Amrun
(2) Amrun wagon starts picking up
(3) Mena then starts callind DDL scummy while doing nothing to case him
(4) one person decides to jump on that wagon
(5) that one person ends up dead
(6) Mena then drops his DDL push on the basis of "scum!DDL would've killed me last night" even though literally 50% of the DDL wagon support was killed

Just because I'm TRing them both independently doesn't mean I won't call out things I find potentially suspicious

Whatever other concerns you have I'll have to address them in like an hour and a half to maybe two hours because I've got a test to fail in a bit here so I'll get to it later

Obviously things have happened from here to now and Mena is voting DDL again but I'm not yet cleared this isn't the case

Also yikes I hope you get better soon :/

[Datisi]

Agh, not exactly. It's not a theory I have too much confidence in, since in a vaccuum I have at least a TL on both those slots. I was hoping things were gonna become a bit more clear as those two kept posting during D2, but DDL is kinda keeping at his SR of Amrun and Mena is kinda not engaging with me/this theory, so I don't know what to think right now.

[Datisi]

I want to do dog watch. I think dog watch is scum if amrun is and is fairly likely scum if amrun is not

Why is DW all of a sudden a stronger (?) SR for you rather thsn Amrun?

DDL can you answer/elaborate on this?

[Datisi]

GL, I'm having trouble reading that slot, mind elaborating on that?

[Datisi]

ok

i also quite like 1747
VOTE: DDL

[Datisi]

Well, considering the day is more than halfway through and we're just now getting a glimpse of a wagon, I don't think it can go by super fast

[Datisi]

Why the hell are you “disappoint”? That’s pretty baller imo.

Aight
Why do you think having so many roses is good?

[Datisi]

Because I'm not sure why you're TRing Mena? You could elaborate on that a bit, would be nice

[Datisi]

I rarely get mad. And menal is town motivated push anyhow

Ya know, when i said i was hoping you elaborate on your read, was thinking a bit more thorough than this

[Datisi]

Because it provides town plenty of insulation? Why do you think town having many guns is good?

I don't think having

many

guns is good, as evident by last run

But with one Town gun being dead before he got to shoot and with hell knowing what's the status of the other one, this game might be getting close to mountainous? And i don't like Town's chances there

[Datisi]

Also Gamma, I kinda think the problem of your catch-up is speed? You've only done 5 pages, and the game has over 70, with the Day ending in a bit over two days. Your slot has done jack shit this game, and unless we get p lucky with our roses, tomorrow is most likely LyLo/MyLo if we mislynch.

So would be good to have some substance to read your slot I guess? Rather than waiting for the long catch up that's half just fluff.

[Datisi]

Yeah? Why did you think it was L-1?

[Datisi]

so there's an L-2 with 4 votes that includes 2 slots that i'm having doubts about (menal/datisi)

Yes, and you have intent what you thought it was on L-1...?

[Datisi]

Aight fair
Tho idk how you're feeling uneasiness about both our slots
Are you thinking SvS?

[Datisi]

Him calling you out but not doing anything with it is unusual.

What callout are you talking about btw?

[Datisi]

Menal is playing a weird game. His position on D1 lynch is weird. Him calling you out but not doing anything with it is unusual.

I'm a bit conflicted on this
Because the D1 lynch stuff happened on D1 (duh), and the callout was at 1427, both of which happened before 1539, which is where you called Mena "one of the towniest slots in the game"

So, uh, could you exapnd a bit on what made you reconsider?

[Datisi]

I am sorta getting paranoid that Icon's "only now" looking back at DDL when there's a serious wagon on

but knowing my ability to read him that probably means he's Town
probably

[Datisi]

right, i think what you said in 1804 more or less stands, but that all happened before 1539
which is why i'm sorta asking why were you calling Mena one of the Towniest slots at that time?

[Datisi]

you mean it got 3 votes in the span of a couple of hours after like 8-12 days (i honestly don't even remember anymore) of Mena calling people to vote there?

[Datisi]

err, what are you reevaluating?

[Datisi]

no i dont rly thing menal is scum
i thought i made that ample clear

yes
I'm wondering WHY you're TRing him

[Datisi]

I just scrolled through his ISO in that game for like a minute and a half before realizing it's getting me absolutely nowhere

also wdym "when he's clearly wrong"?

[Datisi]

And you didn't particulatrly try to convince him that he's wrong?

[Datisi]

would love to hear your thought process

[Datisi]

Eh, someone asked for more time like 3 posts back?

[Datisi]

You called?

[Datisi]

gone for the VLA weekend

[Datisi]

Mena, I don't think you've ever answered, what made you think DDL was the scummiest slot in the game, and how is his disengagement here changing that?

[Datisi]

Any thought about DDL being bussed?

[Datisi]

yes, and no

[Datisi]

I've kinda skimmed both MenavGL and S_SvAmrun will probably reread it more in depth later

Has the day finally come where we will get a DDL case?

was this question to me

YES

also did you reread those two interactions in more depth yet?

NO

[Datisi]

TRs: {GL, Icon, S_S, alimdia}
TRs but what was that push: {Mena, DDL}
PoE: {Aaron, DW, Tex, Amrun}

This is where I am ftr

And I think I called you Town once, which was after the first wagon on you that I felt emerged for BS reasons.

wrt to readslist, I think this still more or less stands
though I'll have to relook S_S

[Datisi]

Posts like these from Aaron:

Spoiler:

TRs: {GL, Icon, S_S, alimdia}
TRs but what was that push: {Mena, DDL}
PoE: {Aaron, DW, Tex, Amrun}

This is where I am ftr

And I think I called you Town once, which was after the first wagon on you that I felt emerged for BS reasons.

Can't really PoE though when no one here is confirmed town. Why not just say you're scumreading them?

Ok first thing I'm not sure what you mean about the PoE, Aaron? Yeah nobody is conftown but those are people that I was to some extent TRing so... ?

I don't really like the use of the phrase because it doesn't really apply to the situation. Like when you use it it sort of implies that you don't have any strong scumreads, but like you've also made it clear you're not TRing anyone in that group. Why not just say you're scumreading them?

Doesn't PoE literally refer to the group of people you're not TRing?

Yeah I suppose, but I think the phrase is more applicable when you can rule out conftown players to find the remaining scum.

hmmmm

Aaron why did it seem Townie to you that Amrun did an Ico meta check?

I just seems like sort of a bizarre thing for scum to do or even bring up. Like you could argue that she's doing it for townpoints, but it didn't read that way to me and I don't think that's something scum!Amrun would do to try and get town points.

remind me a lot of myself in 1949. The discussion about what PoE means reminded me a lot of my shading of your Korina case because it was "spread across multiple pages and hard to read". The reason for giving Amrun Townpoints struck me as so weird and therefore kinda forced

Because I can kinda sorta maybe see what Creature was going at because Aaron doesn't ~feel Town~, but in the game like half the slots don't ~feel Town~ and I'm not sure what to make of it

[Datisi]

this is talking about my ddl push D1, correct?

yes, your D1 DDL """push""", and immediate dropping of said push for you being alive even tho 50% of the people voting DDL ended up dead

and also DDL barely mentioning you and having this sorta weird TR on you throughout the game that he handwaves as "townies are wrong"

and now you stopping his lynch again

[Datisi]

GL, you've mentioned High Noon a couple of times wrt reading Amrun. Does my play from that game influence your read in any way?

were you in the hydra btw? I had wondered about that

and yes, I was Logic
I thought it was obvious by my post-game comments to birb (and to anyone who knows what "datisi" means khm)

[Datisi]

Posts like these from Aaron:

Spoiler:

TRs: {GL, Icon, S_S, alimdia}
TRs but what was that push: {Mena, DDL}
PoE: {Aaron, DW, Tex, Amrun}

This is where I am ftr

And I think I called you Town once, which was after the first wagon on you that I felt emerged for BS reasons.

Can't really PoE though when no one here is confirmed town. Why not just say you're scumreading them?

Ok first thing I'm not sure what you mean about the PoE, Aaron? Yeah nobody is conftown but those are people that I was to some extent TRing so... ?

I don't really like the use of the phrase because it doesn't really apply to the situation. Like when you use it it sort of implies that you don't have any strong scumreads, but like you've also made it clear you're not TRing anyone in that group. Why not just say you're scumreading them?

Doesn't PoE literally refer to the group of people you're not TRing?

Yeah I suppose, but I think the phrase is more applicable when you can rule out conftown players to find the remaining scum.

hmmmm

Aaron why did it seem Townie to you that Amrun did an Ico meta check?

I just seems like sort of a bizarre thing for scum to do or even bring up. Like you could argue that she's doing it for townpoints, but it didn't read that way to me and I don't think that's something scum!Amrun would do to try and get town points.

remind me a lot of myself in 1949. The discussion about what PoE means reminded me a lot of my shading of your Korina case because it was "spread across multiple pages and hard to read". The reason for giving Amrun Townpoints struck me as so weird and therefore kinda forced

Because I can kinda sorta maybe see what Creature was going at because Aaron doesn't ~feel Town~, but in the game like half the slots don't ~feel Town~ and I'm not sure what to make of it

regarding 1918 I mean I think a big difference is that arguing about PoE is very different from arguing about presentation

like I don't agree with AFF that poe doesn't work without conf!town (although it is obviously less efficient) but I think that's still really different from "person is scummy because they presented what they were saying in an unclear way" so I don't get that similarity

who are the slots that don't ~*feel town*~?

I think they're similar in a way that they're taking something that the slot was trying to say (case against Korina/readslist) and instead of engaging the substance of it they decide to argue about something that's "connected" to it but ultimately makes absolutely no difference on what the original post was trying to say (the way the case was presented/me saying "PoE")

And, uhh... Aaron, Amrun is still not a TR for me, I've been tuning S_S out for a while now but I need to revisit him, I don't remember the last time Gamma or alimdia did anything, and you and DDL have that weird thing going on

[Datisi]

this is talking about my ddl push D1, correct?

yes, your D1 DDL """push""", and immediate dropping of said push for you being alive even tho 50% of the people voting DDL ended up dead

and also DDL barely mentioning you and having this sorta weird TR on you throughout the game that he handwaves as "townies are wrong"

and now you stopping his lynch again

well yeah exactly, I never really got the chance to push it D1 and when I did people stayed glued onto creature despite the reasons for SRing him being bad

also I don't think I dropped it today, I just said I wanted to reconsider? why is me saying I want to reconsider scum!indicative? esp when I was the strongest advocate for a ddl Lynch and the easiest way to control whether you're getting pushed or not is using the nk as scum to remove people who are likely to be problematic for you and ddl had plenty of reasons to believe I'd be problematic for him today (as in he didn't have good reasons to think I would consider my not being dead in this way)

I haven't got to that point yet but are you not also TRing me? so why is ddl TRing me weird? do you think he should be omgusing regardless of alignment?

also tbh if he is scum at this point then him continuing to TR me makes sense because somehow this "mena is bussing ddl" theory has gained traction

which also doesn't make sense because how are you reconciling my constant anti-bus position with me deciding to bus on D1?

and I'm pausing his lynch because I'd ideally like him to answer my questions without anyone being able to lolhammer, I'm only stopping it if his answers are enough to persuade me he's not scum

Where? You made an actual case on Amrun. All you did wrt to DDL was ask people to vote and make some arguements about inactivity or whatever. Like when you get the time I'd like you to kinda go a bit more in depth there and wrt your Creature TR

okay cool you wanted to reconsider but the only person who gave you any consideration for voting DDL ended up dead and you don't comment on that part at all, like if there was absolutely nobody listening to you except for that 1 person then removing that one person could do a very good job of stopping the wagon and I found it really weird you didn't even seem to consider that?

I'm TRing you yes, but it's shaky, and I'm very not sold on it yet. DDL TRing you wouldn't be as weird if he tried to actually engage with you about your SR on him and maybe try to get you to untunnel or anything? Like don't Townies getting pushed by someone they TR like try to interact with that slot? Instead he gives it p much zero thought and keeps TRing you regardless because "not in danger of getting lynched" or whatever

And I called it "theatre". In scum!Mena and scum!DDL world, that wasn't bussing. The way you "pushed" him, then dropped it gave a vibe of you not wanting to lynch him in the first place.

[Datisi]

Eh it’s still not mountainous because there are still Roses to stop kills, beyond that your point is somewhat fair regarding performance in mountainous, but what has happened that makes you doubt town’s abilities?

Yeah, but the odds of getting roses to stop kills are not something I'd bet on

Considering that most of the slots have v questionable moments, half the game is half-lurking, and I can say I'm confidently TRing maybe like 2 people, nothing's happened to *not* make me doubt Town's abilities.

[Datisi]

Gentlemen, the deadline is near. Is anyone around for a chat?

[Datisi]

Attaboy the squad's here! Mena, thoughts on 1929?

[Datisi]

GL, do you have any other games with DDL other than the one you linked earlier?

[Datisi]

so, I think I put in a fairly minimal amount of effort casing amrun, and also there was more there to case -- with ddl, the case is the lack of activity. I can do this, and will, same for my creature TR but if we're about to chat in real time then I'm prob gonna focus on being here and participating in that rather than posting something that's 5 pages behind the conversation

you actually make a v good point on the pret kill potentially being to rob ddl wagon of support while not being as much of a red finger pointed that way as killing me directly would be after calling for him to be lynched. however, still depends on whether scum!ddl believes I could get a wagon going on him bc if he does then I would still expect him to be somewhat worried about leaving me alive for D2 to push him

I mean if ddl is scum then him choosing to TR me without talking to me that much makes a lot of sense, especially since you started floating the idea of it being theatre, bc then it looks bad for me if he flips scum as opposed to what it should do which is make me borderline conf town bc again, I DON'T BUS unless it's strictly necessary and you know this is true because I hard fought you on whether we should bus even when it was becoming strictly necessary

you can also look in C9++ scum thread and see that I'm strongly against bussing throughout while it's not necessary

me being unsure isn't me saying I don't want to lynch him, it's saying there are things that are giving me pause and that I'd ideally like to give him a chance to respond to me before we lynch him

Yes sure but you did ~something~. I know the day is about to end and shit but if both of us are alive tomorrow I would very much appreciate that (or maybe even later on because I'm tired and drunk and dunno how long I'll be here)

Okay cool, in scum!DDL world it makes sense for him to continuously TR you, esp if people think it's SvS, fair. But does that add to your read on him? I remember you saying somewhere you get SR's when getting shitpushed, does getting shitTRed not do anything?

And you may be missing my point here. If you two are both scum, I'm saying it

wasn't

a bus - that you never intended for him to get lynched in the first place, but were instead planning on dropping the push after you "didn't die" because "scum!DDL would've killed you".

And like, he's barely responding, and I think I've seen him online. GL said something about this earlier, how does that factor in a read? Why is that strictly town!indicative?

pedit: oh god so many fucking posts wtf hi DDL

[Datisi]

Menalque let's say you're town and DDL is scum, any guesses as to who are his partners?

AFF is prob one of them

What's your read on AFF? Is this just based on a scum!DDL flip or...?

[Datisi]

otoh I think AFF is basically locktown if ddl!town,

there was a post he made that made me think very strongly that it's not SvT

even if it can be SvS

go on

[Datisi]

S_S, what's on your mind? Any reads?

[Datisi]

how did you arrive at that conclusion

menalque

[Datisi]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Datisi]

i read 1980 and 1987 like 5 times each and i still don't get them but it's okay i'll reread them later

and Mena when I was the initiator of the Mena/DDL theatre theory your scum PT jokes are odd

[Datisi]

Nvm that DogWatch bit I think 1719 is towny

wat what is *that* post towny?

and are yall just trolling me now smh

[Datisi]

I only remember you making those jokes in Secret Hitler actually

[Datisi]

i may be a bit behind yeah sorry

also thank you for explaining those posts I am Tired

[Datisi]

S_S, reasons for alimdia TR? I'm kinda forgetting that slot exists honestly, and I almost find it a bit weird you've got a TR on them while you don't remember anything I've done?

[Datisi]

ok I poured another glass of wine we can keep playing

[Datisi]

DDL, you still with us? Any ore thoughts to offer us?

[Datisi]

I want to hear your deepest darkest secrets DDL

[Datisi]

juicy

can i get something game related now

[Datisi]

Why is GL lower? He's one of my stronger TR's this game

[Datisi]

Okay not sure I get the Aaron kill but ok

Massclaim is ok with me, thought should we decide an order first?

Gamma have you read the game?

Alimdia have you caught up as well?

And I think i have a question for S_S that hasn't been answered yet.

Ok that's all I can think of on top of my head be back later

[Datisi]

Oh, were we in the 40% all this time?

[Datisi]

Err no we should not be claiming

Claiming literally just tells scum where they can shoot for a guaranteed kill

ehhh
if scum has two guns tonight, i think odds are kinda low that a kill gets stopped by a rose anyway
and having a conftown today would be good?

[Datisi]

No, I don't really, but the number of kills so far is making me paranoid that might be the case

and i'm saying if they DO have enough kills to finish us off tonight then they'll likely be able to shoot well enough, so outing the town gun might be worth it for the conftown

[Datisi]

okay, any thoughts?

Mena/DDL theory is obviously thrown in the trash. As for if Mena is more or less Town now... I don't actually know at this point. I'm inclined to say more, but the only thing I completely trust rn is my own role PM

[Datisi]

What concerns do you have about me @datisi

concerns that you're scum lmao
like you're in my top half don't get me wrong but at this point i've gotta start thinking about everybody

S_S, reasons for alimdia TR? I'm kinda forgetting that slot exists honestly, and I almost find it a bit weird you've got a TR on them while you don't remember anything I've done?

wasn't I in ur town list in post 1568? (and 1912)

hm......

yes you were
and then you dissapeared for a while

scum looking people to me = DW, (Datisi

OR

SS), Gamma Emerald (texcat's spot), maybe GL

why is that "OR" there?

[Datisi]

S_S, reasons for alimdia TR? I'm kinda forgetting that slot exists honestly, and I almost find it a bit weird you've got a TR on them while you don't remember anything I've done?

wasn't I in ur town list in post 1568? (and 1912)

hm......

yes you were
and then you dissapeared for a while

I never reappeared between 1568(or 1572) and 1912.....

VOTE: Datisi

ok? I don't see the problem in "I've been TRing this slot, and while I still do, the read is growing stale, I'm forgetting it exists, and I find it weird that S_S has a read on it while "forgetting anything I've done" when I've been plenty active"

@datisi well yes but do you have actual reasons or is this just ~*paranoia*~

right now it's just ~paranoia~
i haven't reread anything yet
will get back to ya if I find anything that truly pings me

[Datisi]

gun to head, pending rereads:
{GL, Icon, Mena}
{DW, alimdia}
{Amrun, S_S}
{GE}

[Datisi]

It's just that you and SS have the same read on me, but you ask him to explain yours while saying yours is stale.
Then a few posts later you make a new read list that has me as TR again.

I'm prob overreacting ig...
UNVOTE:

The point of that question wasn't "hey S_S, why do you TR alimdia?"

it was "hey S_S, how come you have a TR on a slot that hasn't been here for a long time while saying that you don't remember anything that

I

have done when I've been plenty active?"

[Datisi]

what song is that

because I'm trying to read that to the tune of Holding Out for a Hero and I don't think that's it

[Datisi]

[line][/line]

Gamma have you read the game?

@Gamma

[Datisi]

Can we slow down with the votes though? If we mislynch again and scum gets two shots off, it's game over.

[Datisi]

2 votes on, 3 scum, 5 to lynch, and since Gamma isn't really a TRed slot people might blindly follow. I'd rather not be risking some sorta qh.

[Datisi]

Maybe not all of them. But say there's 4 votes on a toTownie, might as well have someone qh that if they've stocked guns for the lategame. Sorry I'm trying to be careful.

[Datisi]

"we might be in mylo... Let's start voting less than 12 hours after the start of day on a slot that has produced next to zero content all game!"

[Datisi]

I mean, he's made that post yesterday. He's probably at page 15 now, alimdia.

[Datisi]

So what I'm saying is one of the big wagons on Day 1 has to be scum, otherwise Mena is likely scum.

Eh, can you walk me through this?

[Datisi]

Ugh
As much as I hate the Gamma slot from a gamestate pov I'd say it's Town? But that would mean my reads are pure garbage as usual

Amrun might be scum actually, and I am getting more and more paranoid of Mena but that team doesn't make sense to me rn

I'm still kinda confused why Aaron was killed?
And there's this one post of Sala that is really fucking Bugging me

[Datisi]

DW, did you give a pool for today?

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Also: Setup Spec needs to come into play tomorrow. Why does town have so many roses? Why should I believe aggressive players like Menal would not have a gun. Boon and Ico also would be people I expect to have a gun. Creature? I can only imagine like 4-5 players picking rose. Either town was fearful of not getting enough roses or scum is a bunch of meme players (icon/pret/DDL/texcat)

this
this post is just :thonk:

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Thank you
Why especially in relation to Amrun?

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I don't *think* Gamma is Town - but the fact that this day is passing on with most people being lukewarm with Gamma being set as a compromise lynch makes me think it's gonna be a mislynch

plus the fact that the more TRed players (Mena, Icon, GL, alimdia, maybe S_S to an extent) all survived and instead Aaron died is making me p paranoid

It's still relevant because it's a post about the setup/draft?

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Can we not bring people to L-1 with this little discussion in possible MyLo

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L-2*

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Yes even better reason not to vote hastly Iconeum

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Fuck if I know myself

S_S is still kinda there?? And Amrun is definitely among the lowers in my pool, and the reasons GL is using to TR her really don't sound that convincing

Which is then kinda making me second guess GL

I was hoping to see Amrun's answers to the questions here before proceeding

I still need to reread parts of this game tho

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hmmmmmm

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Tbh I thought that post made perfect sense
Because from a Townie's pov there's 8 people and 3 of them are scum
But ok

And yes, I wasn't arguing against setup spec
Someone asked how that post from Sala i quoted is relevant

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Well yes he was
But not reading anything then jumping on wagon like that

Agh i hate this game

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Uhhh, can you remember why?