Calendar Mafia - The End of Time (Game Over)

[Ankamius]

Hi

I am aware of the deadline so I'd like to hit the ground running

Can I have a synopsis of the game so far please?

[Ankamius]

Oh deadline

[Ankamius]

Sounds fun

Should I bother reading overnight then?

[Ankamius]

woop

something happened last night and I presume there was a reason something happened last night

[Ankamius]

Karnage what are your current reads atm?

even your reads from yesterday is fine

[Ankamius]

do we know what KidAmn's role does? I'm not seeing any other reason they would be killed last night

[Ankamius]

actually can someone just put out there what we know mechanically?

[Ankamius]

Is that a result or

[Ankamius]

Interesting

[Ankamius]

Is that all we knew about kidamn?

[Ankamius]

What's on your mind bit?

[Ankamius]

Creature I'd also like your reads when you're around again

[Ankamius]

Okay I'm guessing there's no way around having to read the entire game to have any chance of catching up to the game properly then

[Ankamius]

What's your full reads list now VD?

[Ankamius]

Ankamius
Karnage
Almost50
VaultDweller
Painting Trap
pisskop
TheWayItEnds
TheWizard
Blatant Scum
bitbringer
Creature
Chemist1422

none of these are very strong reads but that's roughly where I'm at from what's been posted today

pisskop/TWIE are my null line

[Ankamius]

TWIE is my highest priority sort atm since I think that being able to comfortably sort him in either direction will be enough for me to get a solid grasp on the game

[Ankamius]

It's a readslist

[Ankamius]

Should they not be?

[Ankamius]

There is little value in going further into my thoughts at the moment, but I am very interested in hearing what is so town about those three slots to warrant such a response

[Ankamius]

Ankamius
Karnage
Almost50
VaultDweller
Painting Trap
pisskop
TheWayItEnds
TheWizard
Blatant Scum
bitbringer
Creature
Chemist1422

none of these are very strong reads but that's roughly where I'm at from what's been posted today

pisskop/TWIE are my null line

Ank is scum :(

Calling it Blatant Scum + Ankamius + TheWayItEnds + maybe Painting Trap

Everyone else has town points for them

What even is this

[Ankamius]

I want to confscum creature for that but this is so bold a move that town has to be pretty much fucked already for him to be scum

[Ankamius]

lets chat ank.

i think you have scum in your town section.

Which slots are you thinking of here?

[Ankamius]

Ank I gave you fruit last night.

Also, I kind of haven't been really feeling engaged this game.

-bit

Why

Specifically to both

[Ankamius]

VOTE: Creature

Vaultdweller is also scum, but Creature is the optimal lynch today

[Ankamius]

I think scum are trying to swing momentum towards lynching me now that I'm starting to get more involved in the game. I've never seen him be this dodgy towards me as town when he is scumreading me, he's generally a lot more directly aggressive and willing to get into my face and force me to adapt to him, not this pussyfooting half-addressing manner

Also it's really funny how after I come out scumreading him, he links me with the two slots that I had the most interaction with this game

[Ankamius]

Vault suddenly hard-aligning his reads with Creature's is next level when there was virtually nothing supporting the list and no outside indication that he was scumreading that same list of players

Its s lot more likely that they're just both scum trying to recover from the game turning on them

[Ankamius]

I'll go into more later but I'm expecting Chemist to be a third based on how the game evolved today

The rest can be PoEd out

[Ankamius]

Townbin:
Karnage
Blatant Scum
Ankamius
TheWayItEnds
Painting Trap
Almost50

Rest:
Chemist1422
VaultDweller
bitbringer
Creature
pisskop
TheWizard

Bitbringer is probably town but I'm a lot less convinced on it

Its probably just Creature + Vaultdweller + Chemist1422 + Pisskop/TheWizard assuming a 4man scumteam

[Ankamius]

ok creature

Let me know when you find a proper justification beyond omgus when you pretty blatantly omgused originally

[Ankamius]

That's why you were promoted as my and BS' partner TWIE

It's how he's looking to realign the game towards a scum win

[Ankamius]

The answer to that is more complex than you think BS

I need to be at a desktop to answer it properly

[Ankamius]

The answer to that is more complex than you think BS

I need to be at a desktop to answer it properly

VOTE: Ankamius
Tick tock goes the clock,
4 days to express yourself.

Ok

It's a gamestate read.

Done.

[Ankamius]

Hint: my initial reads list had no strong reads

[Ankamius]

It's not hard to go back on a vote you didn't express any seriousness on

Its especially bad in the instance you expected me to retaliate considering you were only voting outside your scumlist between your two votes on me and for only very meh reasons

[Ankamius]

Your gamestate read is wrong

It's an inactive gamestate and it doesn't make sense scum!I would vote my partner here.

That's considering that whichever wagon is the biggest now is likely to get through (like The Lord and DEB).

And yet now three people have found themselves voting the same slot the IC is, one of which is yours, one of which is vaultdweller sheeping you for whatever reason, and the third for pressure apparently

[Ankamius]

I think scum are trying to swing momentum towards lynching me now that I'm starting to get more involved in the game. I've never seen him be this dodgy towards me as town when he is scumreading me, he's generally a lot more directly aggressive and willing to get into my face and force me to adapt to him, not this pussyfooting half-addressing manner

Also it's really funny how after I come out scumreading him, he links me with the two slots that I had the most interaction with this game

[Ankamius]

Vault suddenly hard-aligning his reads with Creature's is next level when there was virtually nothing supporting the list and no outside indication that he was scumreading that same list of players

Its s lot more likely that they're just both scum trying to recover from the game turning on them

[Ankamius]

I think scum are trying to swing momentum towards lynching me now that I'm starting to get more involved in the game. I've never seen him be this dodgy towards me as town when he is scumreading me, he's generally a lot more directly aggressive and willing to get into my face and force me to adapt to him, not this pussyfooting half-addressing manner

Also it's really funny how after I come out scumreading him, he links me with the two slots that I had the most interaction with this game

Yep, you said that after I pushed you.

You didn't push me until I scumread you.

[Ankamius]

Yeah, and?

[Ankamius]

You expressing that I'm somehow scum with the two people I have interacted with the most in the thread out of anybody is a bold move, especially after having just mentioned beforehand that you were reading into my associatives

It originally only made sense if you were certain of a win already but then VD hardsheeped and gave a reason for you to be scumreading TWIE as scum.

[Ankamius]

he's generally a lot more directly aggressive

I expected you to be a lot more aggressive

Instead the first post of yours that actually contains your own thoughts is 2048 (like your 15th post) and your top three scumreads are basically someone who forgot their night action (Chemist), a meh fruit vendor claim (bitbringer) and me.

Bitbringer was somewhat a gambit but you and Chemist fit what I was looking for as scum candidates since the start of the day

[Ankamius]

VOTE: Vaultbringer

I'm fine with BS too

[Ankamius]

Creature might be town, idk, in hindsight it makes sense that scum would look to sheep a town vote onto me with the general state of things being where it is

My only real worry with this is that they're scum not looking to endgame and more trying to set up for their actual endgame, but I can't think of anybody that fits that endgame worthy scum description so that's a weird stance to take for them

[Ankamius]

BS hopping on is especially weird since when you account for the fact that my shift on VD was explained, the read shift really isn't very drastic, definitely not drastic enough to warrant the way he tried to pressure it

[Ankamius]

idk why are you even aware about your own associatives

Why shouldn't I, exactly?

[Ankamius]

Saying you can't be scum with X because you interacted the most with them is ???

There's a pretty sizable difference between this and directly trying to link me with both of the people that I've had close to any interaction with at that time

I'm not somebody that goes out of their way to interact with their teammates as scum like this and it was evident in both FotM and that recent lovers micro that this was the case.

[Ankamius]

UNVOTE:

Ank said something about knowing what happened last night. it would be great to hear more about that

I got an egg

[Ankamius]

It's also possible that all the inactives are just scum and we're running around in circles, but that's not worth bothering with because if that's the case, town just doesn't deserve a win in the first place.

[Ankamius]

A post saying I was aware of it and planning to get to it later is a really weak reason to start pressure voting when you could have done it immediately in the first place if you wanted the pressure

The way you did it looks a lot more like finding an excuse to hop on with a justification than pressure.

[Ankamius]

Idk what you expect when you respond to a readslist that was specifically stated to not be strong reads with looking for justification on my scumreads since apparently I shouldn't be scumreading them, especially when I have no reason to want to justify anything to you when I'm both not town reading you and don't have enough confidence in those reads to be willing to fight for them at that stage

[Ankamius]

The way you did it looks a lot more like finding an excuse to hop on with a justification than pressure.

I have already hopped on almost every wagon without a justification.
Why would I need a justification to hop on your?

With how sketchy the rest of the wagon is, it sure helps

[Ankamius]

zzz

VOTE: Blatant Scum

[Ankamius]

good to know chemist is paying attention to what's going on

[Ankamius]

I'm here just in case

[Ankamius]

Oh they're tied

VOTE: VD

[Ankamius]

Lol Creature is still pushing that omgus bullshit and saying that I'm scum for "misplaying"

Ok

[Ankamius]

I don't know creature, why do people suddenly claim things out of nowhere that dispels an argument with zero prior hinting of that specific claim?

[Ankamius]

Creature + Chemist
or
TWIE + Blatant Scum

One of those two combos are scum, potentially both although I don't think they have the coordination to pull this multi-day play the way they have

Everybody else isn't town enough to be out of the pool annoyingly

[Ankamius]

Although actually I don't see bitbringer being scum with Creature/Chemist

[Ankamius]

I will not be the designated LyLo mislynch again

I refuse

Is there even any doubt left that all of creature/chemist/paintingtrap are scum anymore?

[Ankamius]

I didn't think I hit Q+ on any post but apparently I did

[Ankamius]

VOTE: Painting Trap

If you want to bus then I'll oblige

[Ankamius]

Let me know when it's time to care again ty

[Ankamius]

Lol

[Ankamius]

VOTE: Chemist

Zzz

[Ankamius]

Of course you don't, you're his buddy

[Ankamius]

VOTE: Almost50

[Ankamius]

Gg

I regret replacing in

[Ankamius]

Because I wasn't around until now

[Ankamius]

Tbf though voting and leaving it was viable anyways

Either he dies or he's proven a liar and therefore dies

[Ankamius]

well you can thank a50 for hard carrying you guys!

[Ankamius]

it's actually incredible

A50 was actually so hilariously off base that we were absolutely sure he was the traitor

and that fact alone literally fucked us

a50 basically singlehandedly saved the game for town by being bad

[Ankamius]

Rawr imacat :3

[Ankamius]

:3 :3 :3 :3 :3 :3 :3 :3 :3 :3 :3 :3 :3 :3 :3 :3 :3 :3

[Ankamius]

ROOOOOOOOOOAR

[Ankamius]

VOTE: Ankamius

Later suckers

Thank you for attending my mental breakdown

[Ankamius]

Lmao I don't give a shit about my town reputation

[Ankamius]

Lmao I don't give a shit about my town reputation

Good

Because it's the hardest reputation to keep and involves the usage of countless excuses for your play

Its nearly impossible to keep anyways because the site is becoming near unplayable by this point

[Ankamius]

Town winrates are high because people don't focus on scumplay at all and setups heavily favor town nowadays

The overall skill of the site has gone down significantly the past couple years

[Ankamius]

Somehow games with RC are more interesting even if he is an absolute pain to deal with

This doesn't stop it

Nobody on the site is strong enough to stop it.

[Ankamius]

Somehow games with RC are more interesting even if he is an absolute pain to deal with

This doesn't stop it

Nobody on the site is strong enough to stop it.

I'd rather keep trying until the day this site is closed which inevitably happens.

You're going to end up like me someday

[Ankamius]

The geriatric can disagree all they want, but mafia games aren't all about rational calmness. You gotta express your emotions all the time no matter how many posts it take.

I consistently get better results with that approach this year

[Ankamius]

Play ff14 if you can handle the price tag

[Ankamius]

I'll post my posts from the scum PT at least

Gimme a bit

[Ankamius]

Spoiler: Scum PT Posts p1

Hi

I was hoping for town btw

Shit

Oh well let's put this game away

I'm noticing

I'm going to bed now but boop me if I need to do anything specific

I think I can just get away with not having momentum at all if I don't need to be any real player in the game so

Also I haven't read like anything

I feel like reading the scum pt was a huge waste of time

I'm probably going to spew here tonight btw

I think its safest for me to try to emulate taking over the town unless the risk of me getting caught is too low

I think this plist catches me though

if Creature is the multidoc, he has a reasonably high chance of protecting me and therefore isn't much of a worry

if Creature is the multidoc, he has a reasonably high chance of protecting me and therefore isn't much of a worry

Nah I think I’d protect someone else.

You wouldn't

Creature would

I'd have to look at his posts to answer that truthfully

It's really sus to not extend deadline when a replacement comes in and everybody is immediately just looking for the day ending lynch

That would be what pings me about that claim

I was going to read and then ended up not doing it

Sigh

How do you want me to play tomorrow out chenn

What would you do if you were forced to prove your claim?

Oh I see it

Yeah that would still look sus

Like legit

I think I get caught if I don't press it

The parity vig can be theatred but I really don't think me letting a potential fix for my expressed annoyance slip will fly here

The path to a win is really simple

Adding complications to it really isn't the best idea, complications favor the disadvantaged side nearly always.

Oh dear lord

This game is something else

Its almost as much a train wreck as sky's normal was

I'm assuming this egg is something I want to claim

Anyways time to sleep wheeeeeeee

uh

VOTE: the lord.

If lord flipped Mafia, I would have questioned you next, for that late vote.

this post is a huge yikes

fuck me I might actually have to play to solo carry this game in case your slot sinks

TSE basically outs both of you to people who are paying attention holy shit

1982 is from a post of TSE indicating Karnage's reads are bad

and if A50 is the traitor then he's sinking too

aIOJAETIejl;tkaeiotjioasewykl/yh

FIRE IS GOING TO HARD SCUMREAD ME THIS GAME BECAUSE IT'S FIRE

maybe not actually, he did just hard scumread town!me so who knows

I think I'll be expected to townread them though, I don't think I can get away with not doing that

yes but I have to be a reasonably strong universal townread or I have to worry about the doc

I'm going to just wing it

I'm kinda gambiting but I also don't really have any options other than trying to dive into the kills

we should probably steer the game away from looking at those pretty shortly here

maybe not actually, he did just hard scumread town!me so who knows

I think I'll be expected to townread them though, I don't think I can get away with not doing that

also
Firebringer has not really cared about this game

ok the game is a lot less dire then

I think I can fool bitmap

is it worth throwing out that town's reads are probably bad

Ehhhh if town is this disengaged then I think this is still an easy win

The risk more comes from whether the risk of fixing that engagement problem is worth trying to rally everybody around me

Current thought process:

Only town has been lynched and only town has been killed until last night, scum have the upper hand
Karnage is apparently obvtown and hasn't died yet
That combined with TSEs ISO indicates he isn't a threat to scum and so his reads are probably bad
KidAmn is either a kill mechanically or to avoid giving too much away, might be indicative of a deep wolf depending on what the general read state of the game is
Additionally, KidAmn's tension with TWIE at the end of the day is interesting and can be used as a shield if TvT, makes him a high priority sort
VCs might be informative but only if I know what I'm looking for
Mechanics are probably important and kills can be analyzed better depending on what the information out there is and when it came out
Nobody is talking so scum probably weren't under any threat or apathied the game out, scum varies depending on which it is

Tldr high information potential but low motivation to solve for town, probably going to be an uphill battle regardless and will need a strong arm approach to fix more than likely

I'm mainly posting these so I don't lose track of it but feedback can help if I'm backing us into a corner without realizing

Btw does anyone know how hebi uses prs as town

I'm not going to be a presence for more than 12 hours so none of this needs to be hurried

Do your thing

Okay I will try to

I'll look into the DEB thing when I have a chance

Btw does anyone know how hebi uses prs as town

you shouldn't need to justify?

It helps finalize a fakeclaim

Only thing is that I'd play differently if I had PR shots available than if I didn't

But I can just claim to have both shots used n1 and n2 I suppose

Should I go back to altina

I kinda feel like this pic doesn't fit me the more I look at it lol

Spoiler:

This is the source image that I got it from

Spoiler: Scum PT Posts p2

Ok well apparently half my house has no electricity and its unlikely I'll be able to get anybody here to look at it until Tuesday

So that's probably going to affect my mood regarding this game

Zzz

And in case it wasn't clear, my desktop is in the part that has no power

So is the outlet that I plug my phone into

If I vanish for a bit then this is why

Creature's fluff ratio in his posts today are suspicious, his thought patterns look more concretely separated than I'm used to seeing from his catchups

Blatant Scum is fluffy but it doesn't look out of the ordinary from him, kinda leaning town on it depending on how it shifts over time

VaultDweller seems town for general tone while also not trying to dominate the game

Chemist is floating, scummy

Painting Trap seems like standard alisae

Bitbringer having zero impact in the game or really posting at all is suspicious

these are still my 'town' thoughts

I'm starting with a townread on Vault but that doesn't have to be set in stone

Current thought process:

Only town has been lynched and only town has been killed until last night, scum have the upper hand
Karnage is apparently obvtown and hasn't died yet
That combined with TSEs ISO indicates he isn't a threat to scum and so his reads are probably bad
KidAmn is either a kill mechanically or to avoid giving too much away, might be indicative of a deep wolf depending on what the general read state of the game is
Additionally, KidAmn's tension with TWIE at the end of the day is interesting and can be used as a shield if TvT, makes him a high priority sort
VCs might be informative but only if I know what I'm looking for
Mechanics are probably important and kills can be analyzed better depending on what the information out there is and when it came out
Nobody is talking so scum probably weren't under any threat or apathied the game out, scum varies depending on which it is

Tldr high information potential but low motivation to solve for town, probably going to be an uphill battle regardless and will need a strong arm approach to fix more than likely

Okay I will try to

I'll look into the DEB thing when I have a chance

Creature's fluff ratio in his posts today are suspicious, his thought patterns look more concretely separated than I'm used to seeing from his catchups

Blatant Scum is fluffy but it doesn't look out of the ordinary from him, kinda leaning town on it depending on how it shifts over time

VaultDweller seems town for general tone while also not trying to dominate the game

Chemist is floating, scummy

Painting Trap seems like standard alisae

Bitbringer having zero impact in the game or really posting at all is suspicious

I don't remember what the DEB thing was

lol

Okay well I'll probably prod people for a bit then get annoyed and dump things

I don't expect that people are going to get motivated beforehand so this should be enough of a jump to get people to rally around me

I'll probably be pushing on BS but I'm not entirely sure, I might go for Creature if I feel he's on to me

Sure

Probably yeah

I think people didn't read my post beyond my reads list but shrug

If there are no objections, I'm pushing Creature soon

I think I can link him and VD together

Creature is town spewing

Zzz

I think we just lose if we lose anybody if I'm the win condition

I'm going to burn out if I have to keep this up too long

Idk

This is a really weird game

Jfc it would be so much easier if I had any idea what even goes on in my head in half of my games

I'd forgotten how funny twie was

I'm probably going to not believe the claim

I can just begrudgingly decide not to fight it, that's probably easiest tbh

I really don't want to get BoPed

Actually it's probably best for me to be suspicious that it's a gambit to untunnel creature and me from each other and I didn't want to out it if that was the case

That is a thought process that I think I can use to fake deeper processes

And it makes sense with me suddenly dropping creature

Sigh

Nobody actually cares about this game

I'm sorry, I'm trying to fix it but it's too deep for a fix :(

Honestly this looks pretty much locked unless we start getting mass vigged

It just will take forever because this town is horrifically lethargic

I wish wizard wasn't like the most obvious vig shot in the world

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Fun game

Noap

I lost all my motivation by this point

I'm going to bed after I get home

Post here if we are in quickhammer range, I will post if I'm around

I generally check my ego posts a lot when I'm not doing anything but I can make sure to keep watch here until the game is over

I'm really hoping that this doesn't cause a momentum lynch

I'll unvote tonight if the day isn't over

Nvm creature took the bait

Hi I'm here for a bit

Hi I'm away for a bit

Bye

I'm here for a bit

Is wizard around?

Btw creature is around, be careful

K so I'm going to sleep very shortly

Wizard where are you

Should I just preemptively claim vig

Nahhhhh

Yay I'm expendible

Don't tempt fate my dear

Honestly if I didn't have BoP, I would actually troll a lynch on myself

But I actually expect that people would get wary if I push for it especially since i recently did it in another scumgame

Shrug

Or I could just claim vig!!!

wouldn't you claiming vig just lead to "well, isn't PT just outed scum and therefore we should just lynch that?"

which would then lead into you getting shot

You're basically confscum already so don't get too excited about that

A50 WAS TOWN AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

you get kill choice, but I think the traitor is TWIE now

it doesn't matter if we hit traitor or not though

I agree with locking those actions in

yes

my first thought is both kills failed???

if we have a strategy that literally can't lose the game then I don't see why we necessarily have to play it out

but sure, it won't take very long anyways

my first thought is both kills failed???

don't see what would stop them

my guess is karnage can use his ability while dead

I don't even care that we basically lost the game now

this game was actually awful to play and frankly town can't be proud of shit

technically we have a shot still if I'm the one lynched?

I'm on standby to selfhammer

people will think something's up if I vote before that

btw wizard if you're here

VOTE ME

I'm online, gogo

yeah but we are all essentially outed

we aren't getting a lynch on anybody but one of us, so we HAVE to bank on winning tonight or we just lose

the only way we ever win this game is if I'm lynched today

you basically are

creature is confirmed town via alisae confirming he's the vig
chemist is obvious town because of how hard we pushed him
firebringer is obvious town because of reads
twie is obvious town because we tried to flashlynch him

and then there's thewizard, who nobody thinks is town

dude

you've been linked to us by LITERAL CONFTOWN for two days straight

we divided the game in half because creature, despite having above average read strength in general, doesn't get sheeped and frankly isn't hard to beat

you've been pegged as our partner for entire day phases

and literally

if you post and DON'T vote me, you're confscumming yourself

I'm literally outed scum

I don't think that's actually possible but ok

I'm just going to ignore the game for a while then

yeah a50 wasn't the traitor

good shit

honestly I think the kill on chemist was stopped because chemist is bulletproof or something

not because there's some loldoc still running around

and idk what exactly we were supposed to do about not openwolfing considering a50 was like blatantly obviously the traitor just by how he was playing

how the fuck was he not the traitor?

he was jailed though???

I hope the dead thread is having a field day with this game

Is creature high?

He's better than this

Oh.

Never mind, we just lose now

We lost our only opportunity to win

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

I think I really should just stick to my words and go into retirement permanently

I've hit the point where I actually won't be able to take town role pms seriously anymore

Now that I think about it, didn't we have parity going into night?

The safest way was to just not kill anyone and have the traitor out, then nolynch

Btw ceph, idk if you experimented with astro after the 5.1 changes but it feels much better to play now

And it can actually heal pulls more than 3 mobs big!!!!!!!

Chemist saved it

Chemist saved our win chance I mean

How? If we avoid any BP he gives out we should still win.

The only way this is doable is by killing twie and firebringer, AND chemist protecting creature

Everything else loses

Honestly neither side deserves a win but what can you do

Wizard

Would you bet the game on him being a single shot bulletproof

[Ankamius]

Oh well looks like TSE will get himself permabanned again

Again?

[Ankamius]

Lmao nice