Peace will arise
And tear us apart
And make us meaningless again
omg hi
In post 22, Something_Smart wrote:In post 20, Menalque wrote:Wow I wasn’t expecting to have already been betrayed twice 14 fucking posts into the gameYou've taught me to lie without a trace
And to kill with no remorse
On the outside I'm the greatest guy...
Now I'm DEAD INSIDE.
Hi Aaron
How do you know I didn't?In post 32, Creature wrote:You should've used random.org to choose between gun and rose, not try to do the opposite of what was done the previous game
Based on the scum game I just played with you, I know scum you likes to spew a lot of bullshitIn post 48, Pretentious wrote:It really isn’t, but I was just explaining why I chose what I did.In post 46, Something_Smart wrote:Claiming rose is not nearly as spicy when there are nine roses as it was when there was one...
Specifically so I could say N3 Rose.
If you think that’s what I am, so be it.
Proof that even Flavor himself doesn't know what he's talking about half the timeIn post 50, Pretentious wrote:I don’t even think I get it.
Up until this post all I had done was say hi to Datisi and quote Muse songs so I'm curious to hear more about this.In post 88, Salamence20 wrote:I have a feeling AF is scum and I have no way to explain it at this time, just the feeling i get reading his posts.
I mean town can easily look at the OP and see how many scum there are.In post 106, GuiltyLion wrote:I thought it was presented in a joking manner (and Salamence has since said it was RVS/joke) but personally I viewed it as something that's worth a non-RVS vote and I was kinda hoping Salamence felt the same. I think if you genuinely forgot when posting that there were 3 scum then that's a townslip and Datisi pointing it out yet without any thought to your alignment feels like something scum might do.
Or she acts obvtown so that she can deepwolf but ends up being scum in the end.In post 115, Menalque wrote:Datisi is always scum tho, apart from when she’s obvtown
You said that it was worth a serious vote which implied that you read it as serious.In post 135, GuiltyLion wrote:I didn't read the banter as serious - what makes you say that I did? You can be joking and still mess up how many scum there are. If anything part of the reason I was pinged by Datisi isbecauseshe wasn't more serious.
How exactly is that a townslip from Menal?In post 151, Iconeum wrote:I feel like it was a townslip from menal, but datisi is known forknowingstuff.
In post 168, Creature wrote:Can we wagon someone?
This entire sequence of posts is gross and inconsistent.In post 189, Creature wrote:I had a somewhat legit scumread on AF and probably still haveIn post 187, DogWatch wrote:Creature, what was this? Did you have a legit scumread on AF (which I don't see how) or were you just trying to get a wagon going?
Ah thank you that clears things up.In post 179, Salamence20 wrote:Scumposting. I get it now.In post 131, AaronFrost wrote:Up until this post all I had done was say hi to Datisi and quoteIn post 88, Salamence20 wrote:I have a feeling AF is scum and I have no way to explain it at this time, just the feeling i get reading his posts.Musesongs so I'm curious to hear more about this.
Exactly my thoughts. I really don't like Icon's attempt to give you towncred based off of that.In post 204, Menalque wrote:I don’t think dats’ thing about there being 3 scum was AI any more than I think me listing 2 scum is AI for me
I only have one vote. I don't necessarily think either one is scummier than the other, but those are the two players that stuck out as scummy to me so I picked one.In post 236, Menalque wrote:Like you just called a whole series of creatures posts “gross and inconsistent” then voted a player who is often mislynched as town
Why is icon giving me towncred there worse than what you object to about creature’s posts?
Townlean, but not because of the 'slip.' I think his posts show a general townie mindset. 200 and 204 especially felt very townie to me.In post 260, GuiltyLion wrote:what's your read on Menalque then?In post 233, AaronFrost wrote:Even if Icon is considered 'mislynchable' I'm still going to push actions I find scummy and right now I'm not a fan of it giving Mena towncred for something he shouldn't get towncred for.
Explain Salamence, Dogwatch and Creature for me.In post 261, GuiltyLion wrote:I'm townreading Sala, Menalque, Dogwatch, Creature, S_S, Ico. I don't think the Ico wagon is very good and would like to make another attempt to kickstart the AF one
That's... not at all my problem with Icon. My issue is the reason he's townreading Menalque, because of a 'townslip' that isn't actually a townslip.In post 264, GuiltyLion wrote:the case is he's making scummy posts, especially with how he reacted to and exaggerated Creature's posts around him and the way he's shading Ico for townreading Menalque
Except I didn't? I made it pretty clear that I was scumreading both Creature and Icon.In post 281, Amrun wrote:He calls out creature for something and then commits the exact same offense very quickly by voting Iconeum, who is, IMO, lower hanging fruit than Creature.
But is it a townie mistake? Is it going to be a mislynch? I don't know, which I why I poked at it, and hopefully their responses will tell me more. I'm concerned that you're so quick to write if off as a town mistake because you say that like you know his alignment.In post 285, Amrun wrote:In other words, I can very easily see AF’s posting as scum motivated; attempt to capitalize on obvious town mistakes, but place vote on most likely mislynch. Obviously that’s untrue if Ico ends up flipping scum. I’m null on him currently.
In that game I did make a pretty stupid mistake of voting the town watcher immediately after he claimed. I haven't done anything too stupid yet this game but give it time and it'll probably happenIn post 286, Pretentious wrote:I personally haven’t found him scummy or see him as forced, but I did just play a scum game with him where people said something similar, and then I bailed him out of it, as his scum partner.
Not entirely sure what you mean by my relationship with Creature. Like are you talking about in the context of this game or do you want to know my past experience playing with him?In post 307, Salamence20 wrote:Aarons relationship with Creature will tell me more about his progression on creature.
Can you elaborate more on how my posts feel forced then? Talk about my progression on Creature as well. How are you reading him atm?In post 339, Amrun wrote:As for AF, he might be scum, might not. I’m not familiar with him enough to sort playstyle from alignment indicative actions right away. So I’ll pressure him as I please, thank you.
It's not so much that I think he faked it as scum, just that the statement itself was NAI.In post 343, Iconeum wrote:I think it was a pretty Obvious townslip. We can discuss how likely it is that he faked this as scum, but it's definitely there.In post 233, AaronFrost wrote:VOTE: Iconeum
Even if Icon is considered 'mislynchable' I'm still going to push actions I find scummy and right now I'm not a fan of it giving Mena towncred for something he shouldn't get towncred for.
This made me chuckle.In post 352, Iconeum wrote:This post is very forced. This progression on AF also sucks.In post 275, Amrun wrote:VOTE: AaronFrost
His posts read very forced. His progression on creature also sucks.
In post 275, Amrun wrote:VOTE: AaronFrost
His posts read very forced. His progression on creature also sucks.
In post 281, Amrun wrote:He calls out creature for something and then commits the exact same offense very quickly by voting Iconeum, who is, IMO, lower hanging fruit than Creature.
In post 284, Amrun wrote:I do, I just think scum would be more worried about how they appear and that Creature will sort himself as the game goes on. In other words, Creature seems like he doesn’t gaf and was posting whatever popped into his mind and probably forgot about AF in that moment.
AF, on the other hand, seems to me like he cares how he comes off - a lot.
Your progression here is bad as well. You don't actually elaborate on what feels forced about them.In post 285, Amrun wrote:In other words, I can very easily see AF’s posting as scum motivated; attempt to capitalize on obvious town mistakes, but place vote on most likely mislynch. Obviously that’s untrue if Ico ends up flipping scum. I’m null on him currently.
One game with him in the newbie queue.In post 383, Salamence20 wrote:Past expierence Obviously.In post 314, AaronFrost wrote:Not entirely sure what you mean by my relationship with Creature. Like are you talking about in the context of this game or do you want to know my past experience playing with him?In post 307, Salamence20 wrote:Aarons relationship with Creature will tell me more about his progression on creature.
Yes
The main goal was to see how Icon would respond.In post 410, Amrun wrote:Who were you hoping to get a reaction from?
*its position. Sorry.In post 413, AaronFrost wrote:Pretty townie response fmpov. Not panicking, but reiterating and explaining his position.
Well considering he hasn't answered me or elaborated on his reads, nothing's changed there.In post 415, Amrun wrote:AF: what did you think of creature now?
Yikes... not sure how to feel about this reaction.In post 423, Salamence20 wrote:God youre so fucking boring. "Look at me being all safe and cautious with my vote" UGH. Wheres the excitement. The Action? THE DRAMA.Something_Smart wrote:And to compound that, I don't focus on finding scum in the early days; I focus on finding town. Who I end up voting on D1 is usually someone outside of my townreads who is being wagoned. Though this obviously varies from game to game.
Id put a bullet in you right now not because youre scum, because shit like the above is one day going to fuck me over when you do flip scum, whether it be this game or another.
I hate you so much. UGHGHGHSG
They aren't AI, but just like I said about alim's push on SS, I think it's a playstyle clash. The outburst just seemed unwarranted to me.In post 452, Salamence20 wrote:Also AF and DDL should tell the class why my exaggerated complaints about SS are AI
WhaaaaaaatIn post 460, Datisi wrote:I'm me
Do you think that aggressive behavior is more likely to come from scum? I honestly don't see Amrun's posting as super aggressive and have actually been liking her posting a little more on this page.In post 469, Datisi wrote:And I feel like your tone is being unnecessarily aggressive with me? I don't think I'm pushing you/threatening you that hard, I wasn't asking you to /change/ your behaviour, I wasn't saying you need to explain ALL your thought processes?
No comment on Salamence's problems with SS?In post 486, GuiltyLion wrote:so I'm just kinda skimming along to get a sense of major events before I do any deep-diving but this post really stands out as disconnected from the flow of the game, AF/Amrun is the hot topic and almidia just drops this outta nowhere?
I only asked because most of your townreads in that post I either didn't have a read on or were slightly scumreading so I was trying to figure out what you saw that was towny in them. You can explain if you want but it's not necessary.In post 489, GuiltyLion wrote:AF - do you still want me to explain my townreads from half the game ago? I can do that but frankly I don't really want to unless this will genuinely help you sort me
Hey that was a fun gameIn post 491, Pretentious wrote:You don’t get to have these 10 scum victories in a calendar year without getting burnt out. I flex it because I set out at like 5 scum victories saying I wanted to hit 10 this year, and I did this goal. I think more players should create goals for themselves.
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Why is texcat town?
You really think me and Amrun are a team?In post 512, Creature wrote:It's prob Aaron + Amrun + someone fucking around
Why exactly did he join the wagon anyways? He makes it clear that his read on alimdia is much stronger but then joins the wagon after saying scum is on it because... why? How is he reading Amrun? He never says.In post 489, GuiltyLion wrote:I'm updating my townreads to include AF and Datisi.Amrun is a spicy wagon that I think has p good odds of scum and I'm gonna join it, but right now I feel I got a stronger read on alimdia. I think the S_S tunnel is a distraction and disingenuous, and has given alimdia cover not to comment on anything else actually relevant going on.
VOTE: Amrun
I took it to mean that he thinks there's good odds of scum on the wagon (which I agree with) but if we could get clarification from him that'd be cool.In post 594, DogWatch wrote:I took it to mean that he thinks the wagon has good odds of flipping scum (amrun), not necessarily that scum is on the wagon itself. So I’m not sure he’s really being contradictory here.In post 584, AaronFrost wrote:Why exactly did he join the wagon anyways? He makes it clear that his read on alimdia is much stronger but then joins the wagon after saying scum is on it because... why? How is he reading Amrun? He never says.In post 489, GuiltyLion wrote:I'm updating my townreads to include AF and Datisi.Amrun is a spicy wagon that I think has p good odds of scum and I'm gonna join it, but right now I feel I got a stronger read on alimdia. I think the S_S tunnel is a distraction and disingenuous, and has given alimdia cover not to comment on anything else actually relevant going on.
VOTE: Amrun
Earlier he also stated he townreads Icon, Mena, Dogwatch and Creature. Then before he hops on he includes me and Datisi in his townreads. That's literally the entire wagon right there.
Can confirm that this is SS's playstyle, which is why I don't like alim's push.In post 606, Something_Smart wrote:I mean I can sum it up. Alim is narrow-minded and has decided that since he doesn't like how I play, I must be scummy, even though he can't give any reason why I'm more likely to play this way as scum than as town (and indeed doesn't even understand what I'm asking when I ask for this), and literally everyone who's played with me before can confirm that the way I am playing is indicative only of my personality.In post 605, DogWatch wrote:Tbh I haven’t explored the alim/SS stuff as closely as I should have so I’m going to be ISOing you both today.
Well this guy has a pretty fitting username...
Who were you scumreading at the time then? If you didn't like the Amrun wagon then there's no reason to hop onto it and you could've attempted to lead us elsewhere if that's how you really felt. It feels like you took the safer option here.In post 636, DogWatch wrote:There’s nothing odd about it. I didn’t love my amrun vote (as I vocalized) and left that wagon. AFTER that, GL became one of my better scum reads and I felt much better about that vote. I don’t see why this concerns you.
Kind of agree with this, but not necessarily bored town and maybe just bored in general.In post 658, DogWatch wrote:I guess I see DDL as less opportunistic and more just bored town? I dunno
When did I ever assume Amrun is town? True, she's not my top scumread anymore but the wagon speed/composition has nothing to do with it, it was mostly her response to the wagon that made me less confident in her being scum. And yes I fully acknowledge that she could still be scum and have not indicated otherwise. However, I like my vote on you more right now.In post 695, GuiltyLion wrote:first off - I see this happen a lot in mafia games. Someone acts scummy (regardless of their alignment), someone relatively town leader-esque presents a case, and a whole bunch of people town or scum jump on because the slot looks scummy.
That doesn't mean the suspicious slot is suddenly town now. You all are just assuming Amrun is town because a wagon sprung up. Good wagons can go fast especially if townies are mind-melding. I strongly disagree that wagon speed is ever indicative of alignment and if anything I think scum are often afraid to sheep onto fast mislynch wagons because they know it's a mislynch.
Then, you say, "there is no counter wagon!". What just happened on the last 4 pages should make it pretty clear thatI am now the counterwagon.
Finally, I don't just hop on that wagon as scum. Like, let's make a similar argument S_S was making earlier in the game. If I, as town, always have novel and detailed and well-founded reasons to vote someone, why would I not make an effort to recreate those as scum? Do you really think scum!me is so blasé and arguablystupidto talk about how I think alimdia odds of scum are >> than Amrun odds of scum yet still vote the leading clear wagon?
I already explained that I was townreading the people on the Amrun wagon and that it's far more useful to join game-advancing wagons than to vanity vote in a game with a large number of players. I'm not townreading Amrun and so I feel comfortable voting for her. I'm not gonna pretend like I've got some cool new insightful scumtell that provides me with An Original Reason To Vote This Wagon when I don't have one, I just liked the case Menalque was making, didn't scumread anybody on the wagon, and felt it would be a good vote.
Okay I misread that part then so that's my bad.In post 696, GuiltyLion wrote:there's two or three days left in this game and I know I don't have the pull right now to convince 7 other people to vote alimdia with me.In post 586, AaronFrost wrote:If he's townreading everyone on the wagon, then how is there good odds of scum on it from his point of view?
PEDIT: Really seems like he cares how he looks in that post. Like I feel like as town no matter what you should go for your strongest scumreads.
Also, I said it was good odds Amrun is scum, not that there are good odds of scum on it.
I don't think players like DDL or texcat are good Day 1 lynches. I don't think lynching them would give us a good idea of where other players stand whereas lynching someone else would give us a good idea where they stand.In post 722, Menalque wrote:it is also pinging me in a bad way that amrun wagon jumped up to like 5 votes within like 5 minutes of me starting it whereas I've been suggesting ddl is scum for like a day and yet there's no play on that wagon whatsoever, despite multiple people saying that they'd compromise there or expressing doubts around his slot
Eh her hop on me was bad yes but I liked her response to the wagon. I'm not like townreading her or anything now but I don't feel as confident in my original scumread.In post 729, Iconeum wrote:Have you seen Amrun's voting? And you don't think it's at least equally gross?In post 579, AaronFrost wrote:UNVOTE:
Don't really want to do Amrun anymore. I think this is a better vote for today.
VOTE: Guilty Lion
His hop on the Amrun wagon was gross and I agree lack of a counterwagon is unsettling.