BooneyToonz XIII: To Boon or Not To Boon - [END]

[AaronFrost]

Sup dudes

VOTE: Haggle

[AaronFrost]

Great minds think alike Drew

[AaronFrost]

I think you were the last one to /in

[AaronFrost]

I’m taking a play from my back up Mod’s playbook, and doing a fake points system, where the winner at the end of the game will be awarded a Golden Boonie. These don’t matter, and will only be awarded to posts I find humorous

So it's basically Whose Line is it Anyway?

[AaronFrost]

I’m a huge Shakespeare fan.

I like Shakespeare too honestly. Senior year of high school my english teacher took us to Stratford Ontario to see a live showing of Macbeth and it was hands down one of the best plays I've seen live.

[AaronFrost]

Officially locktowning A50 until further notice.

JJD on the other hand is probably scum.

Not sure about that AP guy.

[AaronFrost]

Over 20% of all posts in this game are from A50.

Save me.

[AaronFrost]

Thanks I try.

I'll get into this soon enough.

[AaronFrost]

Well I said I'd get into this soon enough so here we go... (up to page 5)

Gut wants to say that chk's miller claim is townie but I'm taking it with a grain of salt until proven otherwise.

Lots of hydras in this game. I think I've played with Hectic and BP enough that I'll be able to get a good read on Haggle, but other than that getting reads on the hydras is gonna be tough.

I'm gonna assume that all the nonsense A50 posted from pg 4 onwards is NAI and not look into it any further.

[AaronFrost]

For everyone to follow along at home: RCE is talking about this which VnM acknowledges in their first post (49). What truly frustrates me the most is that he's nonchalantly acting like wording it in that way is okay. That making the callback in that fashion is somehow as acceptable as simply saying "remember when" except it's

edgy

.

nah fam fuck that eat rope

Okay but can you explain exactly why this is scummy? Like why are you continuing to push this when after he explained the callback.

[AaronFrost]

On page 10.

Titus tonally reads as frustrated town. I'm tempted to think that Titus vs V&M is tvt but I have no strong basis for that due to having no strong read on V&M.

Don't understand the RCE wagon. Thought it was weird to chk to go after the wording of the post rather than the content of the post which feels nitpicky.

[AaronFrost]

Over 20% of all posts in this game are from A50.

Save me.

Also to clarify on this comment.

This was more of a 'this game's gonna be hard to read, especially on D1 when people are shitposting' rather than an indication of what I believe A50's alignment to be (which is still null for me btw).

[AaronFrost]

Over 20% of all posts in this game are from A50.

Save me.

Also to clarify on this comment.

This was more of a 'this game's gonna be hard to read, especially on D1 when people are shitposting' rather than an indication of what I believe A50's alignment to be (which is still null for me btw).

This was my greater point.

Excessive shit posting makes it harder to get a grasp for people who check in from time to time.....like myself.

Yeah when you wake up to like 20 additional pages and most of it is shitposting it's pretty frustrating to read through.

[AaronFrost]

Over 20% of all posts in this game are from A50.

Save me.

Also to clarify on this comment.

This was more of a 'this game's gonna be hard to read, especially on D1 when people are shitposting' rather than an indication of what I believe A50's alignment to be (which is still null for me btw).

Why does scum!A50 confirm Chk’s miller claim?

How is that question at all relevant to my post?

[AaronFrost]

Over 20% of all posts in this game are from A50.

Save me.

Also to clarify on this comment.

This was more of a 'this game's gonna be hard to read, especially on D1 when people are shitposting' rather than an indication of what I believe A50's alignment to be (which is still null for me btw).

Why does scum!A50 confirm Chk’s miller claim?

How is that question at all relevant to my post?

You said you were nullreading him.

And that has to do with scum!A50's motivations how? I already said I was taking the miller claim with a grain of salt until proven otherwise and that's something that'll work itself out with time.

If it ends up being true then it's +town points for him.

[AaronFrost]

STOP trying to outgame the system. STOP.

Why can't you guys just play the game

Instead of relying on stupid gambits to prop up a lack of ability to read this game just PLAY

Up to page 15 now but hard agreeing with this ^^^

I'm tring A50 for the hider claim, regardless of how much I disagree with him doing it (and claiming on D1 in general), which means I can believe chk's miller claim.

[AaronFrost]

VOTE: Chara

The very post you quoted isn't fluff any more than Chenn bitching is.

@Chenn, if we go strictly optimal random votes are better.

This post from Titus felt odd. I won a scum game with her not too long ago but this could be an attempt to pocket me if she's scum.

[AaronFrost]

No. Stating A50 has too many posts and doesn't read so he's detrimental to town is not fluff.

I don't care if you vote AF or not. I don't have an independent read there but saying AF is fluffing is dishonest.

I mean I even acknowledged that I was fluff posting and promised that I'd start playing soon. And look, I kept my promise

[AaronFrost]

I'm up to page 30 now. Can I just say how much I dislike mech talk on Day 1? I think it only serves to help scum coordinate their actions better.

I think A50, Titus, RCE, V&M and L&L are all town. Having a little bit of a hard time getting actual scumreads right now but that might be because half the playerlist is lurking atm.

[AaronFrost]

Happy New Year!

[AaronFrost]

Alright I plan on catching up fully with this game tonight

[AaronFrost]

VOTE: Espressojet
his first game related post was 1433. Could you explain the weak read on Romiet, Espresso?

-Hectic

Honestly, as I was catching up here, I'm surprised this guy doesn't have more votes on him. Like he pops in every once in a while, says something irrelevant and then dips out.

I kinda like the reasons for the Joan wagon, even if I'm not 100% confident that it's actually going to flip scum, it's a good place to look into with some decent associations (Haggle and Drew).

I kinda hate Haggle's push on davesaz and the slot just feels off in a way that I'm not sure how to describe, but will revisit at some point.

VOTE: Joan

[AaronFrost]

There were some parts I skimmed so if I missed anything directed at me please let me know

[AaronFrost]

And I didn't like Amrun's read on Bambi......and I said I would sheep Titus.

I did also say I would sheep Amrun, but imo Titus hasn't done anything scummy and will sheep her until A) she does something scummy B) someone else prob scums.

Has Amrun done anything scummy then or do you just disagree with her read on Bambi?

[AaronFrost]

That is literally a game that FL won as scum. Large Normal 223.

BP

Thanks for reminding me how underpowered we were in that game

[AaronFrost]

I'm catching onto and remembering some lingo and terms being used, but a lot of the metagaming is going straight over my head, especially everything about people's personal meta

Honestly I can relate to this. I haven't played with most players here so when people bring up meta I just have no idea what they're talking about. I'm trying not to use meta to form reads since I think that's a pretty disingenuous way to read people regardless.

[AaronFrost]

I kinda hate Haggle's push on davesaz and the slot just feels off in a way that I'm not sure how to describe, but will revisit at some point.

Is this because you have a different read on Dave or you think it's some attempted wagon redirection?

I am TRing dave although it's a pretty weak read. It felt like an attempt to redirect the wagon onto someone else and shade the entire Joan wagon.

[AaronFrost]

Frost: what changed your Titus read to a TR?

I was never scumreading her?

[AaronFrost]

I think I believe Joan's claim, at least enough to not lynch her today. I'm taking 'Conditional' to mean that there's some sort of modifier with it and it's probably best not to out that info yet.

I'm getting a sense of agenda pushing in Haggle's posting, especially with the dave push.

VOTE: Haggle

[AaronFrost]

Frost: what changed your Titus read to a TR?

I was never scumreading her?

i see, i misread 864.

Yeah that was more of 'if Titus is scum this is what she's doing' but overall I'm still TRing her.

[AaronFrost]

@davesaz, Stop picking fights and talk to me about Haggle.

Do you have experience with the heads, or together in this hydra?
They seem to be very much themselves, meta wise.

With Hectic, yes. BP on the other hand, not really.

[AaronFrost]

Why are we suddenly talking about Creature?

[AaronFrost]

With Hectic, yes. BP on the other hand, not really.

Was this a reply to the experience with part, or a comment on the very much themselves part?

The very much not themselves part

[AaronFrost]

I dont think I'm particularly good because my reads are usually trash and I kinda coat around looking at things that I think may be AI, but get called surface level. I've been told that I do a decent job of coming off townie, but recently I've been mislynch fodder that only dodged once because i was a mason.

I've played quite a few games with you but I've never recalled you being mislynch fodder or having trash reads.

[AaronFrost]

I think I believe Joan's claim, at least enough to not lynch her today. I'm taking 'Conditional' to mean that there's some sort of modifier with it and it's probably best not to out that info yet.

I'm getting a sense of agenda pushing in Haggle's posting, especially with the dave push.

VOTE: Haggle

@Aaron - what agenda am I pushing?

BP

It's the weird push on dave which you did while the Joan wagon was still ongoing (and before she had claimed). The reasons for pushing him were pretty weak too.

I can't remember if it was you or Hectic that pushed him though.

[AaronFrost]

@Aaron - in case it got lost in the shuffle, how am I being different from my meta?

BP

Not quite sure how to put it but you seem a bit less sure of yourself than I remember you being in games we've played together. Like I don't think that's a reason to scumread you on its own, but that combined with the dave push is raising my eyebrows a little bit.

[AaronFrost]

@Creature are you scum in this?

When he spams non-content posts, it could possibly be scum indicative for him.

Based of my experience with Creature it's NAI

Haven't played with scum Creature though

[AaronFrost]

Yeah, I kinda think you're full of it at the moment though. If Joan is scum I see how this is an agenda. Do you think Joan is scum? And if she's not scum how is this an agenda?

Because you're using other people's reasons and I think you're being sneaky about what was a sheepy hop on to a pretty big wagon.

BP

I have no idea if Joan is scum or not but part of how I sort people is looking at interactions and who was defending/pushing who. I'm still leaning scum a little bit on Joan but there's also no way I'm lynching her today with her doc claim.

Is it bad for me to sheep people that I townread? Like I have a pretty strong townread on Titus rn and if our reads happen to agree with each other, then I'm going to place my vote there.

[AaronFrost]

Also, you had said that you thought Hectic sounded within his meta. We have the exact same alignment, so given that you thought I made a weak push on Dave (which is exactly what I did on Luca when I got vigged btw) and you think I'm a bit less sure of myself, how does that justify hopping on a pretty serious wagon when my other head is acting normal to you?

Normal as in they're doing the kinds of things I'd expect them to do as either alignment, therefore NAI. And if I'm scumreading the other head of the hydra, then it's overall a net scumread.

Shit I think I just figured out how to read hydras.

[AaronFrost]

Would that count as townslip?

Not even remotely.

[AaronFrost]

It's the weird push on dave which you did while the Joan wagon was still ongoing (and before she had claimed). The reasons for pushing him were pretty weak too.

I can't remember if it was you or Hectic that pushed him though.

what's the significance that this happened while Joan's wagon was happening, or that it was before her claim?

If either of them flips scum then it's likely an attempt to direct the wagon elsewhere.

[AaronFrost]

Almost: who's the player in this game you're paying the most attention to right now? besides AP and Dredd. :>

You should've asked me this yesterday, or waited for tomorrow. Today I'm on cruise-control, so to speak

Still not paying attention to a single slot in particular, but I sure am NOT paying attention to:

Emperor flippyNips
LoserdudeOG
Espressojet

AaronFrost

Karnage
Joan of Arc

Because it's bloody hard to pay attention to someone who isn't talking!

Kind of confused why I'm on this list when I've been contributing but alright

[AaronFrost]

Aaron, that's why I hate anonymous hydras especially. I joke about hating then, but in actuality if I am familiar with at least one head then I am fine with it.

Well what I meant was that if I'm scumreading one head and townreading the other read then it averages out as a null read. If one is null and the other is scum, then it's a net scumread.

Basically I'm gonna try to read each head separately then average out the two reads.

[AaronFrost]

We've had enough wagons today. No more kthx.

Why not? Wagons produce content. Wagons on inactive players (possibly/hopefully) get them to talk more, even if I don't necessarily want to lynch flippynips at the moment.

[AaronFrost]

I could also vote Flippy, but I feel like theres probably at least one scum on my wagon if it got up that high. So I'm gonna try and poke in different places.

BP

flips wagon got pretty high just now (7 votes I think). You think scum found an easy wagon to hop onto there?

[AaronFrost]

R & J is looking a lot better than Haggle rn but I still think we should stay on Flips.

How many times are you gonna hydra slip

[AaronFrost]

Aaron is apparently on the list because I can't remember anything he said without having to ISO him. If that's contribution, fine. I still am not paying attention to him (which would be my bad)

Well you probably should be dude

I think I've produced enough content for you and other players to get a decent read on me.

[AaronFrost]

Oh, and Haggle voting R and J and not Flippynips is interesting. Slap a vote on the next highest wagon hoping to keep the competing wagon to flippynips to not include him(Haggle).

Now scum can spread their votes across two competing mislynches vs having to chose whether to buss or not.

I know I am making a few assumptions here, given how these wagons have formulated I feel like I am on to something here though.

Am I the only one who feels like this post is a bit tmi?

[AaronFrost]

I could also vote Flippy, but I feel like theres probably at least one scum on my wagon if it got up that high. So I'm gonna try and poke in different places.

BP

flips wagon got pretty high just now (7 votes I think). You think scum found an easy wagon to hop onto there?

I am not sure if you are saying what I am thinking, but I think the flippynips wagon was designed to take pressure off of Haggle. Since, as stated the case on Flippynips is pretty much his lack of activity which is of course NAI for him.

Ergo, in case I wasn't obvious enough, scum is actively pushing a counter wagon to take pressure/votes off of Haggle.

Theres a hell of alot of pre-flip associatives which is making it hard for me to scum hunt because everyone is assuming my slot is scum when it's not. So I'm legitimately lost in this game at the moment.

BP

Yeah I'm not a fan of Drew making pre flip associations either.

I'm gonna wager that if Drew!scum then Haggle and flip nips probably town.

[AaronFrost]

On everyone? Yeah no

I don't think anyone expects you to have a solid read on everyone yet, but I feel like you should have at least a handful of townreads and maybe a couple scumreads, especially since you're one of the more active players.

[AaronFrost]

VOTE: Frank
This slot is just lurking, doesn't participate in the game. Unless he gets more active, we should lynch it.
-Romeo

Vanity vote much? This is an awful vote

[AaronFrost]

Oh, and Haggle voting R and J and not Flippynips is interesting. Slap a vote on the next highest wagon hoping to keep the competing wagon to flippynips to not include him(Haggle).

Now scum can spread their votes across two competing mislynches vs having to chose whether to buss or not.

I know I am making a few assumptions here, given how these wagons have formulated I feel like I am on to something here though.

Am I the only one who feels like this post is a bit tmi?

I do not tr Drew here. This is the only game I’ve played with him where he’s been weird like this. His play is usually clearly protown and him talking about who he thinks is scum on an unflipped wagon was also hella weird.

I was mostly talking about the 'two competing mislynches' part. Like he says it as if he knows they're going to be mislynches.

[AaronFrost]

Rushing my son to ER, heads up in case I disappear for a bit

Oh no hope he's okay

[AaronFrost]

Hi if anyone has anything they'd like me to answer lmk

I've been kind of busy these few days with TM and camp and whatnot

Chen

Yeah

Why do you want Frank lynched

[AaronFrost]

The timing of the Flippynips wagon, combined with Haggle voting R and J and not Flippynips, made me think that scum was protecting Haggle by pushing two other town wagons. One of which(flippy) has just been lurky and no one can really make a pro town argument for and the other (R and J) is the only other semi decently big wagon.

And as I said, this is making the assumption that Haggle is scum(and I do think Haggle is scum, hence why I am coming from it from that perspective).

And, from your perspective, if I know Flippynips and R and J would be mislynches.....wouldn't I also know that Haggle would be a mislynch?

I mean, my vote is on Haggle.

So why would Haggle vote R&J as opposed to joining the nipple flips wagon?

Sure you would know that Haggle is a mislynch unless A) You're scum with Haggle or B) You're scum pushing Haggle as a mislynch

You're making a lot of pre-flip associations here under the assumption that Haggle is going to flip scum.

[AaronFrost]

VOTE: Frank
This slot is just lurking, doesn't participate in the game. Unless he gets more active, we should lynch it.
-Romeo

Vanity vote much? This is an awful vote

I mean. He was asking for it.
-Romeo

How?

[AaronFrost]

VOTE: R&J

The more they post the less I'm liking them.

[AaronFrost]

VOTE: R&J

The more they post the less I'm liking them.

I see that you dont like them, so what's your read of me?

Still null scum but starting to crawl up into null territory.

[AaronFrost]

Officially locktowning BEF until further notice

[AaronFrost]

In all fairness I think most of us were ready for a flip, myself included

[AaronFrost]

Damn a lot has happened already

Let me get caught up real quick

[AaronFrost]

Is it too crazy to think about massclaiming?

It could also fuck us all to hell.

Pretty good reason why massclaim isn't a good idea atm

[AaronFrost]

Titus, did you put us in a neighborhood?

If you did, that's quite a coincidence, flavor-wise.

I had zero to do with your hood.

So wait does your role take two players and put them into a hood with each other or does it take someone and put them into an existing hood?

[AaronFrost]

That reminds me, where's that Aaron Fucking Frost guy? It may be Burden of Proficiency, but I would've expected him to solve the game by now if he's town. Him not being the night 1 kill is suspicion on its own.

-Hectic

I actually solved the game on page 0 I just haven't told anyone about it yet

Also maybe that's what scum wants you to think

[AaronFrost]

AF seems significantly less solvey than what I'm used to.

I think I've only played with you once and I was scum so I'm not sure when you've seen me as solvy?

[AaronFrost]

Can someone do me a favor and compile a list of all the actions that have been claimed today?

[AaronFrost]

As far as Titus' claim......I have reasons to doubt it.....don't want to play my full hand quite yet on said reasons.

Do you think Titus is lying about her role?

[AaronFrost]

Can someone do me a favor and compile a list of all the actions that have been claimed today?

Espresso died, made 2 and a half people useless, Titus and Creature targetted Almost and failed for some reason, Dace says Hectic? is clear, and Clementine checked my role and called it townie.

Okay so we determined that the cop enabler dying does not affect cop actions that happened on the night the enabler died right?

[AaronFrost]

Pre Edit: Aaron, again.....reasons lead me to believe that she may be lying about her role or about her night action.

It is possible but I'd like to know what exactly Titus's role does

[AaronFrost]

Okay so Haggle most likely town unless scum doc.

A50 didn't claim ascetic at any point did he? He's claimed so many things I don't even remember them all

[AaronFrost]

Okay so Haggle most likely town unless scum doc.

A50 didn't claim ascetic at any point did he? He's claimed so many things I don't even remember them all

So we have 2 doc claims now, one from Joan and the other from Haggle. No, not that I recall.

Where did Haggle claim? I don't remember them claiming anything

PEDIT: oh

[AaronFrost]

My role is neighborizer.

Each night, I pick someone and neighborize them. The first person gets a hood with me. Each subsequent night, I can add someone to the hood.

The desperate modifier means that my actions will fail on town and succeed on scum/millers.

To this end, my role effectively becomes a (semi)cop if the doctor parks on me. I am sure a method exists to avoid follow the cop. Town results are arguable (roleblock etc.) but scum results would be confirmed.

Now, how about those reads Aaron?

Okay I think you're telling the truth.

Reads as follows

Townreads: Titus, RCE, chk, davesaz, Haggle (because of the clear)

Scumreads: Drew, Joan, maybe 50JP depending on whether he clarifies why actions against him failed

Everyone else is in nullish territory right now

[AaronFrost]

That was Shiro (Venus btw). He forgot to sign. Rn, I way more concerned about Drew and a possible scum Neighbourizer because I hard townread Titus.

I'm fairly certain that either there is a scum neighborizer or Drew is BSing us here.

If someone was added to their hood then either Drew or Joan is a scum neighborizer.

VOTE: Drew

[AaronFrost]

What in the actual fuck guys

I have no time to respond proper but just if I got lol lynched just now I'm gonna be pissed

[AaronFrost]

Cool

Great

Love being mislynched for no fucking reason

[AaronFrost]

Guess I should tell you that Drew is probably a scum neighborizer. I was put into his hood last night.

[AaronFrost]

Cool

Great

Love being mislynched for no fucking reason

Last reads?

Already gave them

Thanks for shit pushing me btw

If you're town I'm incredibly disappointed

[AaronFrost]

I've tried to tell them Drew is scum Nancy

[AaronFrost]

And not a single fucking one of you could give any good reason against me other than vague statements like 'he has some scum equity' or 'he's off on his meta'

I'm pretty sure I was neighborized

[AaronFrost]

I'm a doc enabler btw.

Was that actually a hammer bc if not yall better fucking unvote right now

[AaronFrost]

AF lurked.

I'm sorry what

[AaronFrost]

Crying about being SpEeDlYnChEd over the course of almost 30 pages, while contributing nothing, while the moderator was too busy to post a vote count, is nobody's fault but yours if you got lynched, Aaron.

Fuck off dude I've been busy irl

Half the player list isnt contributing

[AaronFrost]

so to be clear, Drew neighbourized you last night, and it's the hood with Joan?

why did both agree to keep you secret, and can you paraphrase the contents of the hood?

@Frost

I planned on outing it once I realized drew was a scum neighborizer. Dont feed into the bs hes spewing at you

[AaronFrost]

That's fair, but I'm not wrong am I?

And if half the playerlist truly isn't contributing then surely you weren't lynched, no?

Apparently I wasn't but when I log on during my work break and this is the first post I see

Drew just hammered??? This better flip scum.

-Hectic

I'm understandably not going to be happy especially when no one gave a solid reason why they think I'm scum

[AaronFrost]

so to be clear, Drew neighbourized you last night, and it's the hood with Joan?

why did both agree to keep you secret, and can you paraphrase the contents of the hood?

@Frost

Why didn’t you claim? That he neighbourized you? I knew there was something fucking not right with his bs Titus shade on that. Now it all makes sense. Drew is the freaking scum neighbourizer, duh! That’s why he was pushing Titus but we all just thought he was seriously being this dense and not scum, well town!Drew is never that dense, not in any game I’ve ever played with him.

At first I wasn't sure that he neighborized me. I thought after hearing Titus's neighborizer claim that it could've been her who put me in there which is why I questioned her about it.

However I believe/townread Titus and don't trust Drew so I think Drew put me in his hood.

[AaronFrost]

I planned on outing it once I realized drew was a scum neighborizer. Dont feed into the bs hes spewing at you

please don't misunderstand, i'm asking for clarification from you so we have as much info as possible from a source that isn't Drew, who i don't trust.

why did those two agree to keep you hidden, did they talk about anything in the hood, etc, is there anything specifically in there that made you realize.

Joan has said next to nothing in the hood. Drew was the one who wanted me to keep quiet about it and was trying to push the theory that Titus was the one who put me in there.

I think Titus is telling the truth about having nothing to do with our hood and Joan claimed doc hence it clicked that it must have been Drew.

[AaronFrost]

I'm a doc enabler btw.

Was that actually a hammer bc if not yall better fucking unvote right now

Why'd you claim this while still being unsure if that was a hammer? Don't you kinda want to not tell scum this?

-Hectic

I thought it was a hammer

[AaronFrost]

VOTE: drew at this rate we might as well massclaim. Or we just do 2-3 fake hammers a day.

Or we could vote Nips.

Convince me on nipple flips scum.

Because I think Drew flipping scum points to nipple flips being town

[AaronFrost]

Spoiler:

I could also vote Flippy, but I feel like theres probably at least one scum on my wagon if it got up that high. So I'm gonna try and poke in different places.

BP

flips wagon got pretty high just now (7 votes I think). You think scum found an easy wagon to hop onto there?

I am not sure if you are saying what I am thinking, but I think the flippynips wagon was designed to take pressure off of Haggle. Since, as stated the case on Flippynips is pretty much his lack of activity which is of course NAI for him.

Ergo, in case I wasn't obvious enough, scum is actively pushing a counter wagon to take pressure/votes off of Haggle.

@Drew, who do you think are the scum taking pressure off?

I liked Creature entrance, feeling town on him. V&M I don't love and mechanically speaking I feel like is a good spot to be on, not starting but early enough to really generate things.

I need to check who has voted since the last VC, brb.

VOTE: flippynips

okay that was a short iso

the wagon feels a bit lazy but i do like it better than haggle because flips hasn’t done anything towny

VOTE: flippy

I feel like scum wouldn't naked vote, they would at least say something, which leads us to L and L.

But have they done anything scummy?

Oh, and Haggle voting R and J and not Flippynips is interesting. Slap a vote on the next highest wagon hoping to keep the competing wagon to flippynips to not include him(Haggle).

Now scum can spread their votes across two competing mislynches vs having to chose whether to buss or not.

I know I am making a few assumptions here, given how these wagons have formulated I feel like I am on to something here though.

V&M I don't love and mechanically speaking I feel like is a good spot to be on,

What?

Sorry long day at work, brain isn't in full function.

I meant their spot on the Flippynips wagon.

And Chara, did I just word things confusingly? I meant because I believe Haggle is scum and the other scum are pushing a mislynch of Flippynips, most likely VandM and/or LandL, while Haggle tries to push the next highest wagon(RandJ).

And yes, this is making the assumption that Haggle is scum(which I do believe is the best lynch).

If we do lynch Haggle and he is in fact town(or Flippynips or RandJ are scum). Then a case of nothing to see.

I guess this is a D2 discussion though.

It was more analyzing the Flippynips wagon and then after thinking who is most likely scum my brain sort of starting making connections.

Partially posted as a note to myself for possibly come back to at a later date.

Oh and Drew, you have totally misinterpreted my intent re: Flips’ wagon. I just ideally want to vote for a slot I’m confidently sr. What’s wrong with that and why isolate me and Eon, when there are other votes on that wagon?

If Flips comes back here and actually starts doing something, I’ll gladly unvote him.

I have been weary if your play this game, and mechanically speaking being the second spot on the wagon seems ideal for scum to be on if a mislynch occurs. You can pass it off as a genuine scum read that you were sincere about, versus being a wagon jumper with a late vote. Last game I played, as third party, I had some town cred from a very similar D1 play.

And LandL's explanation for their vote just seemed weak, and as I said, was worded like they needed to have a reason to avoid putting down a naked vote.

Oh and Drew, you have totally misinterpreted my intent re: Flips’ wagon. I just ideally want to vote for a slot I’m confidently sr. What’s wrong with that and why isolate me and Eon, when there are other votes on that wagon?

If Flips comes back here and actually starts doing something, I’ll gladly unvote him.

I have been weary if your play this game, and mechanically speaking being the second spot on the wagon seems ideal for scum to be on if a mislynch occurs. You can pass it off as a genuine scum read that you were sincere about, versus being a wagon jumper with a late vote. Last game I played, as third party, I had some town cred from a very similar D1 play.

And LandL's explanation for their vote just seemed weak, and as I said, was worded like they needed to have a reason to avoid putting down a naked vote.

I really don’t think you can go by that. I’ve heard theories that it’s allegedly the 4th vote that is supposed to be suspicious but for the most part, it’s usually better to look at early vs late than specific numbers and in Correspondence, ours was the first vote on a town wagon, so that totally debunks that theory. Yes, I was scum in that.

You say to-may-to I say to-may-to.

I am just going by personal experience.

But you may be right, Haggle is the 4th vote on R and J! Weee.

Every single one of these posts scream Flips town if Drew scum.

Every single vote count screams Flip scum. Tonal reading early game is shit.

It's not tonal reading though, it's content reading.

"Oh, and Haggle voting R and J and not Flippynips is interesting. Slap a vote on the next highest wagon hoping to keep the competing wagon to flippynips to not include him(Haggle).

Now scum can spread their votes across two competing mislynches vs having to chose whether to buss or not.

I know I am making a few assumptions here, given how these wagons have formulated I feel like I am on to something here though."

Like there is so much tmi in here. It sounds like he knew R&J and nipples were going to be mislynches (R&J flipping town supports this btw)

You're getting tunneled here Titus

[AaronFrost]

The post he was claimed in, he also questioned whether it was really a hammer. Why claim if you're not 100% sure?

-Hectic

I thought it was a hammer based off of your 3141. I was on my work break and didn't have time to check the votes myself but there was a slim chance that it wasn't a hammer.

[AaronFrost]

Exactly. If I was a neighborizer then I'd bring them into a hood that I'm in, I wouldn't join their hood.

[AaronFrost]

That reminds me, where's that Aaron Fucking Frost guy? It may be Burden of Proficiency, but I would've expected him to solve the game by now if he's town. Him not being the night 1 kill is suspicion on its own.

-Hectic

I have never seen any play of AF that would suggest that he’s scum because he hadn’t solved by now? That’s odd even if Glork was here or {insert some more modern player that’s BoPable that you youngins know}.

I'm pretty sure Hectic was just memeing with the BoP thing. I've never solved a game on Day 1 nor have I claimed to have solved a game on Day 1.

[AaronFrost]

Right the read will take a couple days but someone want to start by telling me how we ended up lynching the most confirmable of roles day one?

They were lolhammered before they claimed.

Almost happened today too with me.

[AaronFrost]

What blows my mind is that people are giving Bambi shit for quickhammering R & J but no one is giving Drew shit for thinking he hammered you.

His scumbuddies gotta find some way to protect him ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[AaronFrost]

I hard disagree with Titus’ solve because I still think that BEF is town and AF is blatantly obvtown now and it was partially me both having a slight tl on Flips plus Drew sounding like he had a town TMI on him, that made me jump off that wagon, so I think Flips 60-70% chance of flipping town here.

I disagree with her solve because it assumes nipple flips is scum when fmpov Drew is obvscum who was perspective slipping hard yesterday which makes flips near conf town if Drew is scum.

I also don't like using VCA when we haven't had a scumflip yet but that's just my opinion.

[AaronFrost]

Yeah, that’s kind of what I’m wondering, if Bambi push could possibly be a counter derail on Drew, because no one had even the slightest interest in voting her before Drew became a viable wagon.

So, I would be sus on anyone who was voting both you and Bambi rn. BEF doesn’t count since he jumped off immediately and switched to Drew.

I could definitely see that being the case.

I think BEF wasn't fully caught up when he voted for me and I was the leading wagon at the time.

Once Drew flips scum we can look back and see who was pushing Bambi

[AaronFrost]

Oh

, I see what you're doing here, Aaron.

*cough* I mean... AaronFFrost? Never even heard of him. Well, I've heard of him, technically played a few games with him actually, but he's nothing special. Pretty terrible actually. Yeah. He once got mislynched pregame soooo

Did I ever tell you about the game I got mislynched in before it even entered signups? I think it was in the Newbie Queue

[AaronFrost]

Drew's alignment has no reflection on Flips alignment.

The TMI thing is garbage.

The VCA thing is the only valid criticism of my Flipcase. This is the first time I have done it.

VCA is garbage when we don't have a scumflip yet.

Do you really not think Drew was perspective slipping in the posts Nancy linked?

[AaronFrost]

1- What if chkflip is actually Scum who fakeclaimed Miller and I fell for it? Like, I knew a Miller was likely alright, but then someone did flip a Miller and it wasn't chkflip.

This I could see.

I lowkey forgot chk claimed miller

[AaronFrost]

He’s willing to vote whomever his tr want, so don’t really see any agenda there. Joan’s votes are a helluva a lot more suspicious imo.

What do you find suspicious about her votes?

[AaronFrost]

He’s willing to vote whomever his tr want, so don’t really see any agenda there. Joan’s votes are a helluva a lot more suspicious imo.

What do you find suspicious about her votes?

Because she isn’t reading. My point was more I don’t find BEF’s posts scummy and Joan’s are worse. I can also possibly buy her as a bored town lurker as well.

Like, I still think Drew’s scum here and I honestly don’t know what Amrun’s smoking.

Do you think there's a chance Drew and Joan might be scum together? It seems really unlikely tbh

Joan is most likely getting replaced anyways

[AaronFrost]

With his low activity level, I’m worried he may get mislynched without getting the chance to claim.

I’m just legit shocked that Amrun would be onboard for this.

I'm still baffled on why people want flips lynched today.

A50 got a clear on him. Period. We aren't lynching that today.

[AaronFrost]

@Nancy: I don’t think nips is cleared and I think there’s a lot of reason to think a lot of actions could have effected A50’s result.

He was just feeling really good and spicy to me at the time, but meh, I can acknowledge he’s not the best lynch mechanically until we have more info.

This 100%

Like I'm not trying to say that flips is town necessarily, but if A50's results were messed with somehow then it'll resolve itself over time. I can't fathom why anyone would want to lynch him today given the result.

[AaronFrost]

That's... pretty bad actually. Why didn't you tell me you rolled scum earlier, Drew? Wanna try explaining your thought process through those votes?

-Hectic

This post read like Drew didn't really mind the fact that he hammered

[AaronFrost]

You seemed pretty okay with it after the fact despite not knowing. I thought it was a hammer because of Haggle's comment.

Do you even have a solid case for why I'm scum? Or are you going to join everyone else and not give any reasons why I'm scummy.

[AaronFrost]

You seemed pretty okay with it after the fact despite not knowing. I thought it was a hammer because of Haggle's comment.

Do you even have a solid case for why I'm scum? Or are you going to join everyone else and not give any reasons why I'm scummy.

Well since you are ignoring the hood and the question I asked.

Why do you think one of me or Joan is scum neighborizer.....and why do you believe it is most likely me?

There's not much point in talking in the hood now that it's public information.

Either one of you or Joan has to be a neighborizer, period. Joan has already claimed doc so unless she's lying (which she hasn't been here to confirm or deny) then it's you.

Either that or there's someone out there who can put other people into other hoods somehow but that feels extremely unlikely.

I've already explained why I'm scumreading you in general and want to lynch you and I don't feel like repeating myself again.

[AaronFrost]

I was at work when I checked the thread and saw Haggle's post asking if you had hammered, so I wasn't completely able to catch up and interact in real time.

Yeah I was pissed, as I'm sure most people would be when they get lol lynched as town for no good reason. I fully intended on claiming but I wanted to get it out there first that I was the one put in the hood with you since you had been alluding to it already.

What you do when you get quicklynched as town != what I would do when i get quicklynched as town. I wanted to get all my thoughts out there before I bit the dust.

[AaronFrost]

So did anyone else claim to target A50 and have their action fail or was it just Creature?

[AaronFrost]

So did anyone else claim to target A50 and have their action fail or was it just Creature?

I targeted A50 and failed. Mine fails if blocked OR A50 is town.

VOTE: nips

So what is lynching nips actually going to confirm then?

Because if I have this right, then this is what happened

• A50 targetted flipple nips and lived which would normally point to a clear EXCEPT
  
• Both you and Creature targetted A50 and your actions failed

Atm I believe A50 to be town which would be the most likely explanation for your action failing. However there are a number of different scenarios that could've caused Creature's action to fail.

• Your theory is right and there is an enchantress that targetted A50
  
• Creature could've been roleblocked
  
• A50 could've been rolestopped OR could be an ascetic (which he has denied and I think town A50 would tell the truth about that I'm going to say him being ascetic is unlikely)

So if nipple flips is scum then it would point to there being an enchantress. However if he's town then we basically confirm nothing because any of those scenarios could still hold true.

Is there something I'm missing here? Bc right now I don't think flipples has a >random chance of flipping scum.

What is your VCA case against him?

[AaronFrost]

To paraphrase Titus's VCA, there were 3 wagons all at 5 or so, and two of those have flipped or been mech cleared as town. This implies the 3rd wagon was on scum.

Correct. Wagon participation also is a factor too. The higher the wagon participation the more likely one of the people is scum.

If you disagree, then scum should be heavily off wagons.

Another thing I remember you saying (I'll try to find that post in a minute) is that you thought me and BEF were driving the wagon onto R&J. What made you think this?

[AaronFrost]

Found it

Counterwagon to two wagons

And who lead the shift away from his wagon

Frost and BEF...

Ebwop lead the shift to R and J away from FlipNips

[AaronFrost]

To paraphrase Titus's VCA, there were 3 wagons all at 5 or so, and two of those have flipped or been mech cleared as town. This implies the 3rd wagon was on scum.

Correct. Wagon participation also is a factor too. The higher the wagon participation the more likely one of the people is scum.

If you disagree, then scum should be heavily off wagons.

This is true, I think it's considerably likely that scum was on it as well regardless of nips's alignment seeing that he was (still is) lurking. It was an easy wagon they could hop onto without their hands getting dirty.

I'm still not convinced nips is the best lynch today but I do think he should go before we hit lylo.

[AaronFrost]

To paraphrase Titus's VCA, there were 3 wagons all at 5 or so, and two of those have flipped or been mech cleared as town. This implies the 3rd wagon was on scum.

Correct. Wagon participation also is a factor too. The higher the wagon participation the more likely one of the people is scum.

If you disagree, then scum should be heavily off wagons.

Another thing I remember you saying (I'll try to find that post in a minute) is that you thought me and BEF were driving the wagon onto R&J. What made you think this?

I looked at the wagons between the 10 R and J vote and the 5 5 5 split

What does this have to do with me/BEF leading the wagon away from flips? I don't think I was ever on the flips wagon either.

[AaronFrost]

I kinda feel like this entire day has just been a lot of back and forth between the same few people explaining the same things over and over again. I think we need another flip.

PEDIT: Honestly I'd rather do Drew than flipple nips today because I think he has a higher chance of flipping scum.

[AaronFrost]

I kinda feel like this entire day has just been a lot of back and forth between the same few people explaining the same things over and over again. I think we need another flip.

PEDIT: Honestly I'd rather do Drew than flipple nips today because I think he has a higher chance of flipping scum.

[AaronFrost]

Oops didn't mean to post that twice

[AaronFrost]

To paraphrase Titus's VCA, there were 3 wagons all at 5 or so, and two of those have flipped or been mech cleared as town. This implies the 3rd wagon was on scum.

Correct. Wagon participation also is a factor too. The higher the wagon participation the more likely one of the people is scum.

If you disagree, then scum should be heavily off wagons.

This is true, I think it's considerably likely that scum was on it as well regardless of nips's alignment seeing that he was (still is) lurking. It was an easy wagon they could hop onto without their hands getting dirty.

I'm still not convinced nips is the best lynch today but I do think he should go before we hit lylo.

Who’s your alternative then? I think considering that one of Creature/A50 had to have been roleblocked /rolestopped and only A50 claimed anything on D1, Nips wagon makes the most sense because if he’s scum, it could be based on him playing rl mafia with jet but there does seem to be a huge resistance to it and then there’s the dumb Joan push as well.

Whichever one was roleblocked depends on whether or not we have an enchantress. Creature def could've been roleblocked (possibly by town as well) or A50 rolestopped. I made a whole post explaining this and it got ignored

You do have a point about him knowing jet irl though. Is flippy nips the kind of player who would tend to kill those that know him?

[AaronFrost]

To paraphrase Titus's VCA, there were 3 wagons all at 5 or so, and two of those have flipped or been mech cleared as town. This implies the 3rd wagon was on scum.

Correct. Wagon participation also is a factor too. The higher the wagon participation the more likely one of the people is scum.

If you disagree, then scum should be heavily off wagons.

This is true, I think it's considerably likely that scum was on it as well regardless of nips's alignment seeing that he was (still is) lurking. It was an easy wagon they could hop onto without their hands getting dirty.

I'm still not convinced nips is the best lynch today but I do think he should go before we hit lylo.

This doesnt make any sense. . . You're claiming to agree with Titus, but your analysis is completely different from hers and basically amounts to scum would just push low activity slots. Aside from Drew who else is scum?

BP

Scum aren't necessarily the ones doing the push, they're more likely to hop onto the bandwagon and later claim they were on him to get content out of him.

Drew is my strongest sr atm which is why I want to do him today

[AaronFrost]

NIP FLIP

How many nipples could flippynips flip if flippynips could flip nipples?

[AaronFrost]

WHAT DOES A NIP FLIP CLEAR UP?

What scum valued d1. The game becomes much easier to read.

So what does him flipping town tell us? This is a really vague answer.

[AaronFrost]

I have no idea what's even going on anymore.

I'm V/LA today so I'll be back tomorrow.

[AaronFrost]

Very veeery tempted to just lurk the rest of this day phase out. A bit frustrated with this game tbh.

I probably won't but I also don't feel like putting effort into this atm. I also need sleep.

[AaronFrost]

Very veeery tempted to just lurk the rest of this day phase out. A bit frustrated with this game tbh.

I probably won't but I also don't feel like putting effort into this atm. I also need sleep.

Yeah I'm lurking the rest of this day phase out.

See you guys Day 3!

Probably won't wanna move my vote away from Drew anyways

[AaronFrost]

That last quote is still from you though? Um.... I'm shutting up for now.

My parents are dead and I’m appalled that anyone would use someone’s dead parents to hurt them with. Isn’t the fact that they’re dead, enough for you? @A50?

Spoiler:

There isn’t a day that goes by that I don’t think about them and miss them terribly, especially my dad, who was the most amazing father anyone could ever ask for. I watched both of them die horrible deaths in the hospital after suffering from devastating illnesses, so I’m legit disgusted by that.

[AaronFrost]

I read up to page 60 so far and there is so much fluff going on. I'm currently leaning town on Venus and Mars, Latios and Latias, 50 Judge Powers, chkflip, and Amrun.

I'm at 75 or so and similar, though I have Amrun as a candidate for the player that sounds protown and reasonable but is scum at the moment.

Current top scum read is Haggle, but I'm right at where that wagon took off and need to see why it died. (I did note that I started scum reading Haggle at almost the exact moment Titus did, which makes me confident in her).

Not trying to rush your catchup or anything but Haggle is essentially pseudo-clear because of dave's ability.

[AaronFrost]

I believe it's some equivalent of a gunsmith

[AaronFrost]

I was a "daggersmith" which is just a flavored version of a gunsmith.
I checked Haggle, who does not have a dagger (gun). That means not mafia unless doctor.

[AaronFrost]

Et tu, Titus?

Bambi is a traitor confirmed

Things seem to have calmed down here so I'm come out of lurking. Think I only have like 10 pages to read anyways.

[AaronFrost]

I read up to page 60 so far and there is so much fluff going on. I'm currently leaning town on Venus and Mars, Latios and Latias, 50 Judge Powers, chkflip, and Amrun.

I'm at 75 or so and similar, though I have Amrun as a candidate for the player that sounds protown and reasonable but is scum at the moment.

Current top scum read is Haggle, but I'm right at where that wagon took off and need to see why it died. (I did note that I started scum reading Haggle at almost the exact moment Titus did, which makes me confident in her).

Not trying to rush your catchup or anything but Haggle is essentially pseudo-clear because of dave's ability.

Uhh. . . psuedo clear? What?

Oops I used that phrase wrong. My bad

Basically what I meant is that you're clear except for the instance of scum!doc which seems unlikely anyways

[AaronFrost]

I’m trying but I fucking hate this game so

Mood. This is probably one of the most frustrating games I've played on this site. Day 2 as a whole has been bleh and I'm sorta ready to end it honestly but no one can agree on a lynch

[AaronFrost]

Hnmmm. UB is an any alignment role.

Indeed it is, but would seem a bit swingy in a role madness game for scum to have it...... especially when town has a vig.

I think UBs only take over for the first PR of their alignment that dies. So if Drew was a scum UB then he wouldn't have inherited R&J's role, instead he'd inherit the first scum PR that dies.

[AaronFrost]

I'm actually surprised you put me in the Kinda Trying tier since I've barely read the last 20 pages or so

[AaronFrost]

I don't think nipples flips is gonna flip scum, but Drew probably isn't viable anymore with his recent claim.

VOTE: flippynips

[AaronFrost]

Pretty sure uni backup is forced to take the first PR of its faction that dies. Unless it's different here.

[AaronFrost]

I was recently a uni backup in this game. I had a one shot override which I never used but I inherited the first PR that died.

[AaronFrost]

VOTE: Drew

[AaronFrost]

I'll have limited access for the next couple days. Should still be around mostly.

[AaronFrost]

Hi I'm around and haven't been paying attention to this because this day feels like it's been dragging on for an eternity.

AMA

[AaronFrost]

Has Drew been lynched yet?

[AaronFrost]

Reads to me like chk doesn't know how UB works

[AaronFrost]

I think he has a pretty good understanding of mafia mechanics for reasons I can't really talk about.

I also don't think scum!chk seriously uses that to justify a vote on you when there's plenty of other reasons to vote for you.

[AaronFrost]

I thought A50 did get recharged?

[AaronFrost]

Agreed.

I just want this day to end. There's so much fucking confusion.

[AaronFrost]

Nothing is adding up here and that's kind of the fucking problem

[AaronFrost]

Spoiler: Unofficial VC

Doctor Drew [8] [L-2]:

Emperor flippyNips, Joan of Arc, chkflip, BrightEyedFish, Venus and Mars, AaronFrost, 50 Judge Powers, Bambi Jay

Bambi Jay [3]:

Haggle, davesaz, Doctor Drew

Adorable [2]:

RCEnigma, Titus

50 Judge Powers [1]:

Amrun

chkflip [1]:

Creature

Not Voting [4]:

Adorable, Chemist1442, Chara, The Fonz

[AaronFrost]

Man I got one of the most fun roles ever and I died night 2

I think if I had stayed alive longer scum would've been better off. Learning that Joan wanted to protect me but then didn't in the dead PT was frustrating. My plan was to try and establish a connection between the two scum PTs, which is why I joined the hood with Joan and tried to turn it around onto Drew (I knew about Joan and RCE, didn't know about the other two).

gg all

[AaronFrost]

Man I got one of the most fun roles ever and I died night 2

I think if I had stayed alive longer scum would've been better off. Learning that Joan wanted to protect me but then didn't in the dead PT was frustrating. My plan was to try and establish a connection between the two scum PTs, which is why I joined the hood with Joan and tried to turn it around onto Drew (I knew about Joan and RCE, didn't know about the other two).

gg all

Yeah so we were told that you had an additional method to joining our team. So traitor hunting wasn't the biggest concern. I figured the traitor would work towards that condition regardless of what scum did.

Yeah that was essentially my goal was to find the scum PTs. I had to kinda scumhunt too, but for different reasons which is a really interesting twist for a traitor role.

Also I was ecstatic when Drew outed his hood with Joan.

[AaronFrost]

Man I got one of the most fun roles ever and I died night 2

I think if I had stayed alive longer scum would've been better off. Learning that Joan wanted to protect me but then didn't in the dead PT was frustrating. My plan was to try and establish a connection between the two scum PTs, which is why I joined the hood with Joan and tried to turn it around onto Drew (I knew about Joan and RCE, didn't know about the other two).

gg all

Also I was super worried this would backfire hard on me but I think Drew was set up pretty well to be mislynched

[AaronFrost]

Shoutout to Boon for modding this! The flavor was incredible and the setup was very well designed.