BooneyToonz XIII: To Boon or Not To Boon - [END]

Amrun · Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:51 am

In post 5421, davesaz wrote:Hmm technically Boon replied to weak. I'd be quite surprised if the desperate reply would be anything different.

Amrun did you see the unofficial vc before that vote? The only way nips can be scum is if 50 is scum too, and I've hard TR 50 right from the beginning.
My discussions there that included possible scum!50 have always been about what could be happening, not about what I actually think is happening.
For me that's a massive difference. I put a big gap between mod confirmed and obvious, and another big gap between obvious and likely.

A miller that doesn’t claim in the same game with a miller that actually fake claimed and an actual miller that flipped?

This is some wonky fucking shit.

A50 or L&L is likely to be scum. Why does town need 2 hiders. Shit. Hate this game.

Amrun · Tue Jan 21, 2020 11:02 am

In post 5436, Bambi Jay wrote:Amrun, Hider was Almost's first fake claim. He's a visitor with the desperate and Weak modifiers.

Fuck, I forgot. Why does town constantly fakeclaim nowadays? It sucks.

Amrun · Tue Jan 21, 2020 11:03 am

VOTE: drew

Sorry drew. I need this day to end.

Amrun · Tue Jan 21, 2020 11:21 am

In post 5458, Venus and Mars wrote:
In post 5419, Amrun wrote:VOTE: nips

This needs to go.
Stop making bad votes. A50 claimed miller in setup and no one else has since chk unclaimed that.

We already had a miller flip. JFC.

I could not hate this game more.

Amrun · Tue Jan 21, 2020 11:23 am

In post 5442, Titus wrote:Nancy, which shitty lynch am I doing so I can implode myself and not watch this trainwreck anymore?

In post 5443, Amrun wrote:VOTE: drew

Sorry drew. I need this day to end.

In post 5445, Titus wrote:
In post 5443, Amrun wrote:VOTE: drew

Sorry drew. I need this day to end.
I'd do Amrun too.

The hypocrisy is strong, but idc anymore. Lynch me, see if I give a fuck, at this point.

Amrun · Tue Jan 21, 2020 12:25 pm

In post 5544, Venus and Mars wrote:
In post 5535, The Fonz wrote:I would prefer CHK on Titus. Really don't want her redirected or blocked or whatever.
Problem is Joan may not protect Chemist and we can count a lot more on chk to do that. If Titus dies on town, then we powerlynch Joan.

Why? Joan wouldn’t prevent Titus dying on town.

Amrun · Tue Jan 21, 2020 1:13 pm

In post 5557, davesaz wrote:
In post 5548, Amrun wrote:
In post 5544, Venus and Mars wrote:
In post 5535, The Fonz wrote:I would prefer CHK on Titus. Really don't want her redirected or blocked or whatever.
Problem is Joan may not protect Chemist and we can count a lot more on chk to do that. If Titus dies on town, then we powerlynch Joan.
Why? Joan wouldn’t prevent Titus dying on town.
Titus's role fails on town, it succeeds and she dies on scum.

Joan docs Titus
Titus neighborizes someone
Titus dies

We don't know why Titus died until we know her target's alignment. If her target was scum then that's our answer. But if her target was town then she was killed which means Joan didn't actually doc her.

I guess, yeah. But that requires Titus to claim targets and for scum not to be able to redirect.

Not that Joan isn’t scummy anyway.

Amrun · Tue Jan 21, 2020 6:19 pm

In post 5639, Doctor Drew wrote:Also, and before I forget.

I wanted to mention Amrun as well, I thought her comment to me when she voted me wasn't genuine. Something about it just rubbed me the wrong way.

I could see a world where she is scum.

What is this now

I quit this game

Ugh

Amrun · Tue Jan 21, 2020 6:35 pm

I wish I was scum this game. It’s easy to take advantage of this town. I am just sadly lumped with them.

I apologized to you, Drew, because I legitimately think you’ll flip green but no one will shut up about it until you flip green. And if I’m wrong then welp lol fuck me

Amrun · Fri Jan 24, 2020 2:46 pm

In post 5742, Bambi Jay wrote:The neighborhood seems more likely a counter balance so he couldnt just use it willy nilly? But he joined the neighborhood on purpose for... Some reason.

It seems his action use was compulsory and had to target two different players - or am I reading that wrong?

Oh dear happy day, a fucking scum flip, and on someone I goddamn suspected. Love it.

I’m catching up now.

Amrun · Fri Jan 24, 2020 2:58 pm

@Titus:

Did you receive an item night 1?

Amrun · Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:05 pm

Adorable, did you get any role modifiers?

Amrun · Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:07 pm

In post 6015, Bambi Jay wrote:
In post 6012, Amrun wrote:Adorable, did you get any role modifiers?
She claimed to have been visited, if that helps.

It doesn’t. I want to know if she got any modifiers.

Amrun · Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:11 pm

In post 6018, chkflip wrote:Amrun are you Lorenzo Llamas?

That is not my role name.

Amrun · Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:47 am

I am not caught up but it seems my pushing has caused some confusion so I’ll say this now:

I give out the dead fish. I am petruchio. I am just a fruit vendor (I thought, and do now again).

I gave it to Titus N1 bc she was my strongest TR.

Then she didn’t claim fish, but did claim to be desperate and I got scared I caused that and my fish did something I was unaware of.

So on N2, I targeted adorable since it was a scum read so I wouldn’t mind them becoming desperate.

It seems, though, that I didn’t cause the desperate after all and basically made my role super obvious for no reason. Oh well.

Amrun · Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:52 am

And to clarify, I only send dead fish, period. Not laundry. I never targeted Nancy for any reason.

Amrun · Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:56 am

I am not loyal or any other modifier. Just a dead fish vendor.

I argued against renegade for the desperate all yesterday because I assumed I caused it.

Amrun · Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:57 am

I’m oh shit I am so sorry, I am prospero. I just remembered the P.

I’ll probably be lynched for that misremembrance so, sorry town.

Amrun · Sat Jan 25, 2020 10:46 am

In post 6280, Adorable wrote:
In post 6204, Amrun wrote:I am not caught up but it seems my pushing has caused some confusion so I’ll say this now:

I give out the dead fish. I am petruchio. I am just a fruit vendor (I thought, and do now again).

I gave it to Titus N1 bc she was my strongest TR.

Then she didn’t claim fish, but did claim to be desperate and I got scared I caused that and my fish did something I was unaware of.

So on N2, I targeted adorable since it was a scum read so I wouldn’t mind them becoming desperate.

It seems, though, that I didn’t cause the desperate after all and basically made my role super obvious for no reason. Oh well.
So Amrun is a Fruit Vendor who also gives out desperate modifiers? What does desperate do again? I wonder if scum have the ability to give out desperate modifiers to players. I still have my Amrun case I said I would make on day 3.

How can that be what you got out of that? Please read a little closer.

I don’t give out desperate modifiers because you’re not desperate.

Amrun · Sat Jan 25, 2020 10:48 am

In post 6296, Adorable wrote:VOTE: Amrun

Amrun says she gives out dead fishes and when she saw Titus claim desperate she said she got scared her fish caused that. Next Amrun says she gave a dead fish to me and wouldn't mind I become desperate and now I think Amrun is scum who gives out desperate modifiers to players and she even asked me if I got a modifier which makes me think she planned on giving me a desperate modifier. I also got my Amrun case I will make and it will take a while for me to find the posts and I will vote Amrun in case I forget to vote.

Yo you kidding?

There’s no way someone reads my day 2 ISO and thinks this.

Whatever.

I did forget to do this so VOTE: Adorable

Amrun · Sat Jan 25, 2020 4:35 pm

Oh no, Adorable’s case on me is super bad but I’m worried it’s new town now.

Amrun · Sat Jan 25, 2020 4:36 pm

Two town JOATS seems improbable also and I believe Creature over RCE.

And is chemist still in the game? What’s happening with Chemist?

Amrun · Sat Jan 25, 2020 4:38 pm

I’m not liking chkflp’s interactions with my slot lately. He said something yesterday that made me think he was suspecting me but today it’s more like bop paranoia. It’s not consistent.

Amrun · Sat Jan 25, 2020 4:55 pm

Adorable, RCE, Fonz, maybe chemist, maybe chkflp.

Idk, I feel like he will flip town so it’s not really changing my mind game much.

Amrun · Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:05 pm

In post 6466, Bambi Jay wrote:Yeah Chemist being odd night and still doing Jack n1 is scummy. He kept avoiding explaining what happened too. But it's still likely he couldve just fucked up.

I think they probably legit no actioned on N1, regardless.

I think gamma site flaked and it made chemist mad so he replaced out of the hydra, then he felt bad and took the slot back over. I think that’s true regardless.

However, I’m wondering why it made him so mad that gamma was flaking to begin with. Why didn’t he want to play the game on his own? Was it because he rolled scum?

If he had good in game interactions and stuff I wouldn’t consider it but he’s been a total non presence.

Amrun · Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:21 am

In post 6537, Venus and Mars wrote: @Amrun, why did you think renegade didn’t exist, considering you were so afraid that your dead fish could make the recipient desperate?

Because I thought it was me making people desperate, not renegade.

And it was part of the reason I suspected RCE, since it’s a very convenient claim for scum to make. I just didn’t share that in thread for obvious reasons.

Still not sure why titus is saying he can’t be the renegade - we don’t actually know he’s ascetic.

Amrun · Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:28 am

HURT: Adorable, RCEnigma, chemist, Fonz

Most of them have been previously stated, but I don’t think Gonz’ scumhunting efforts seemed genuine to me.

Amrun · Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:28 am

In post 6632, Titus wrote:
In post 6626, Amrun wrote:Still not sure why titus is saying he can’t be the renegade - we don’t actually know he’s ascetic.
It's not the claim that people tend to make without it being true. Could he have been ascetic since the start and lied? Yes. But you and BEF could target him at any point and disprove it? Seems dumb to lie about.

True but I’m saying if he was, it wouldn’t make him not-renegade.

Amrun · Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:33 am

In post 6646, chkflip wrote:
In post 6634, Amrun wrote:HURT: Adorable, RCEnigma, chemist, Fonz

Most of them have been previously stated, but I don’t think Gonz’ scumhunting efforts seemed genuine to me.
What happened to me bb I'm offended.

Idk I keep flip flopping on you. You are being inconsistent but I strongly felt you were town d1.

Amrun · Sun Jan 26, 2020 5:02 am

In post 6655, chkflip wrote:Amrun, I'm not your biggest fan rn either. Talk to me. Let us discuss like Vulcans and come to understand one another so we can choke each other out tomorrow after Nancy shoots town today.

Unrelated, Joan and Titus syncing hard rn.

Why are you so insistent on Fonz town?

Amrun · Sun Jan 26, 2020 6:38 am

In post 6701, chkflip wrote:Nancy, Tybalt (the town vig flavor) is the only knife welder to have flipped thus far. It behooves me to think that, of the cop claims I find most credible, the one with knife flavor is most credible. It may be that the only slots that davesaz would obtain guilties on are of flavored characters that use knives. It would then mean that Haggle's flavor isn't one that uses a knife. It may be Haggle's partner that uses a knife while Haggle uses, say, a sword or something. Knifesmith is oddly specific and I'm willing to bet there's a reason for it.

Bambi, I 100% agree. Which is why I haven't based my read of you on that game alone.

Fish, that's fair; however, why Joan over Haggle?

Amrun, he's acting in the same vein as you regarding claiming. I was town reading him for that minimally, yes, but I also had firm belief that Frank (his predecessor) was very town as well. His replacing into the game, the way he entered and interacted with it, and his insistence on reading absolutely everything are indicative of town to me.

Pedit: Nancy, no disrespect intended, but I don't feel like you're going to hit scum here. I'm sorry?

These reasons on Fonz I don’t find to be compelling, especially TR Frank, who did nothing.

Amrun · Sun Jan 26, 2020 6:44 am

I did just catch up though and I have never seen Fonz get this upset and it does feel kinda Townie to me.

P-edit: yeah I think I retract Fonz being on my list

Amrun · Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:08 am

In post 6815, chkflip wrote:Fucking shoot Adorable. Holy shit.

Amrun · Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:11 am

FWIW, Adorable and RCE are the only people on my list I’m actually interested in flipping today.

Amrun · Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:18 am

In post 6830, Venus and Mars wrote:
In post 6826, Amrun wrote:FWIW, Adorable and RCE are the only people on my list I’m actually interested in flipping today.
I really don’t want to shoot RCE, I think he’s town.

That’s cool, I really want adorable and have for quite some time anyway.

Amrun · Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:20 am

If adorable flips scum I’ll be so happy and it will help me re-invest in this game.

Amrun · Sun Jan 26, 2020 9:19 am

If RCE is town, not sure I trust the BEF clear because of the ascetize. Could have been toleblocked. But still don’t want either of these today.

Adorable lynch ho!

Amrun · Sun Jan 26, 2020 9:21 am

In post 7018, Bambi Jay wrote:So my point is even better magnified that Amrun could be a scum fruit Vendor, but that's an argument for another day.

I think going by claims I might have this stance as well. So I can’t really blame it. I am still town. One of the reasons I’m hesitant to clearBEF.

RCE, why did you use this action on BEF N1 when you TR him?

Amrun · Sun Jan 26, 2020 9:22 am

In post 7025, Titus wrote:
In post 7021, Amrun wrote:If RCE is town, not sure I trust the BEF clear because of the ascetize. Could have been toleblocked. But still don’t want either of these today.

Adorable lynch ho!
Smh no. Ascetic occurs first most likely. Happened with my action too, not that it mattered in my case.

If it was the same action causing both though? But I see your point.

@Nancy: it is definitely optimal to lynch today rather than bomb but I don’t have control over that

Amrun · Sun Jan 26, 2020 9:23 am

In post 7028, Bambi Jay wrote:
In post 7026, Amrun wrote:
In post 7018, Bambi Jay wrote:So my point is even better magnified that Amrun could be a scum fruit Vendor, but that's an argument for another day.
I think going by claims I might have this stance as well. So I can’t really blame it. I am still town. One of the reasons I’m hesitant to clearBEF.

RCE, why did you use this action on BEF N1 when you TR him?
... He used a Disloyal Vigi shot. That's kinda the opposite of a townread. That's a "I scumread you and hope you die" shot.

Yeah, that’s my point - but by day play he strongly TR BEF, so that’s why I’m asking why he shot there at all.

Amrun · Sun Jan 26, 2020 9:24 am

In post 7031, RCEnigma wrote:
In post 7026, Amrun wrote:
In post 7018, Bambi Jay wrote:So my point is even better magnified that Amrun could be a scum fruit Vendor, but that's an argument for another day.
I think going by claims I might have this stance as well. So I can’t really blame it. I am still town. One of the reasons I’m hesitant to clearBEF.

RCE, why did you use this action on BEF N1 when you TR him?
Ahh that requires some bef + rce meta knowledge. I give bef a townread day 1 every game we play together. But I don't actually have reliable tells to gauge his alignment. But a disloyal vig is a damn good indicator.

Then why bother giving him such a strong TR anyway? That is not at all how your exchanges read to me D1.

Amrun · Sun Jan 26, 2020 9:26 am

I hear you. Do what you are going to do. Doesn’t change optimal mechanics.

Amrun · Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:05 am

@Titus: Absolutely you’re correct that several of the people we are ignoring literally have to be scum. I have basically accepted my eventual mislynch, but I’m town. So yeah.

My strongest TR is Bambi.

Amrun · Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:09 am

I’ll eat my shoe if you’re scum, Bambi. That’s all I got. Sorry.

Amrun · Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:09 am

I think Joan still being alive is a huge issue as well.

Amrun · Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:17 am

In post 7075, Titus wrote:
In post 7073, Amrun wrote:I think Joan still being alive is a huge issue as well.
But scum didn't target any PR. That's probably because I was enchanted. If they couldn't enchant Joan, then they risk her healing someone outed. Instead, they'd rather mislynch Joan. So they killed Chara instead.

Could be true, but just as easily isn’t true.

I don’t think a non consecutive doc fits this set up.

Amrun · Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:20 am

In post 7081, Bambi Jay wrote:
In post 7076, Titus wrote:
Titus is frustrated wrote:Scum can make the factional kill alongside their ability, but they are not inherently Multitasking.
This stops track the renegade and makes me want to scream. We likely have at least one multitasking scum.
The one multitasking one seems to have already flipped though? I dont think Boon makes them all multitasking to just fuck with us.

I kind of assumed they’d all be multitasking since AF was?

Amrun · Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:22 am

I just kinda assumed they’d be multitasking anyway given the role madness nature of the game.

Amrun · Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:36 am

In post 7094, Chemist1422 wrote:
In post 7092, davesaz wrote:I was mistaken about there being a 2nd laundry claim.

Modifier claims:
N1: Titus (desperate), BEF (Ascetic)
N2: Me (didn't say and outing it isn't helpful to town), can't remember (can't remember)

It would be much harder to find the 2nd modifier claim for N2, as it's not easily ctrl-f. If anyone knows please post.

Remember we have to assume renegade is motivated in order for there to be two modifiers given. This could mean that one modifier is fake.
I was given Loyal night 1 as well

The actual fuck

Amrun · Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:41 am

Can we lynch chemist now? And if town is responsible for this they need to claim.

This doesn’t make sense as a scum motivated play and it means one of these three modifier claims are lying.

Amrun · Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:46 am

In post 7107, Bambi Jay wrote:
In post 7100, Bambi Jay wrote:Chemist wouldn't have gotten Loyal if he actually left his house.

No Sane Scum gives a claimed Hider a modifier though?

Right so like

Chemist is scum, or one of the other modifiers is lying and scum is stupid. Which one is more likely

Amrun · Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:50 am

In post 7110, Titus wrote:
In post 7108, Amrun wrote:
In post 7107, Bambi Jay wrote:
In post 7100, Bambi Jay wrote:Chemist wouldn't have gotten Loyal if he actually left his house.

No Sane Scum gives a claimed Hider a modifier though?
Right so like

Chemist is scum, or one of the other modifiers is lying and scum is stupid. Which one is more likely
Door number 3, all scum have a one shot renegade.

No one seems to be lying here. Chemist's revelation feels tbtaw though.

What is tbtaw?

Amrun · Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:50 am

Also if all scum have a modifier to give out, someone is still lying. There are one too many.

Amrun · Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:51 am

Because AF clearly did not.

Amrun · Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:52 am

Also for most players here that would mean they had their modifier to give + their in thread claimed role + factional kill.

Amrun · Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:52 am

In post 7114, RCEnigma wrote:Me, Titus, Dave, chemist?, ???

I have heard repeatedly that two people claimed new modifiers today but I don’t know who the other one is.

Amrun · Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:53 am

In post 7116, RCEnigma wrote:I dunno how much I buy each scum role giving a modifier fwiw.

Yeah it’s almost definitely not the case.

It makes no sense that there were given out N1.

Amrun · Sun Jan 26, 2020 11:11 am

In post 7125, Bambi Jay wrote:
In post 7124, davesaz wrote:
In post 7121, Bambi Jay wrote:Another Boon Tactic? Boon doing weird Flavor things to roles and only letting them know about their modifiers later?
PM in this case means the PM telling me that the modifier was added. Not role PM.
That's what I meant.

Boon could be just added these later on his own accord as a mutation.

This would be bastard. And annoying.

Amrun · Sun Jan 26, 2020 11:15 am

@Adorable: you’re effectively dead and also the things you are saying are just not that interesting? Sorry. There’s a lot of 1v1 roles. Likely several pairs at least are tvt. Calling chk scum for his role stopper claim is kinda hilarious when you’re a role cop.

Amrun · Sun Jan 26, 2020 11:16 am

In post 7130, Chemist1422 wrote:
In post 5856, Chemist1422 wrote:oh yeah it's probably relevant to mention that I was made loyal night 1 (and was not told about it until after EoD2 so that's fun)

Missed this

Amrun · Sun Jan 26, 2020 11:18 am

Could this possibly be the other n2 modifier we all only nebulously remember? But it was in fact N1?

Amrun · Sun Jan 26, 2020 11:37 am

In post 7141, Bambi Jay wrote:
In post 7127, Amrun wrote:
In post 7125, Bambi Jay wrote:
In post 7124, davesaz wrote:
In post 7121, Bambi Jay wrote:Another Boon Tactic? Boon doing weird Flavor things to roles and only letting them know about their modifiers later?
PM in this case means the PM telling me that the modifier was added. Not role PM.
That's what I meant.

Boon could be just added these later on his own accord as a mutation.
This would be bastard. And annoying.
It would make more sense to me you all gained extra modifiers from the Mod then suddenly a player handing out 4 extra modifiers in 2 nights.

I mean, fair, but both options make little sense.

Amrun · Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:56 am

In post 7204, Haggle wrote:You have a explosive-proof vest? Those are usually scum-indicative in this decade's meta, y'know. We could probably get a mod confirmation on that actually.

Hey, Amrun, you sometimes mod games, right? Confirm this, if you could for us please.

-Hectic

I do sometimes mod games but I haven’t designed a game since like 2012. Not sure I’m reliable on relevant meta.

But I would say it’s kinda scum indicative.

Idc though, Bambi is town.

Amrun · Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:57 am

I read that as explosion specific.

If it’s just plain old BPV, then no, it’s NIA.

Last game I designed had one that could be invented and given out by a town inventor, as a matter of fact.

Amrun · Mon Jan 27, 2020 12:38 pm

Excuse me but a Bambi scum flip would not make me “guilty.” I am not, in fact, guilty of anything. I think Bambi is town though so.

Why is one of Hectic/Bambi scum?

Amrun · Mon Jan 27, 2020 1:52 pm

In post 7243, Venus and Mars wrote:
In post 7243, Amrun wrote:Excuse me but a Bambi scum flip would not make me “guilty.” I am not, in fact, guilty of anything. I think Bambi is town though so.

Why is one of Hectic/Bambi scum?
I don’t know if you are or not but Bambi scumflip/Adorable townflip wouldn’t look great for you, since you also visited Titus on the night she got desperate and BEF is confitown.

That’s quite different than a guilty.

I’m not destined for endgame as it is and I understand that but I’ll still flip orange.

Amrun · Mon Jan 27, 2020 1:53 pm

In post 7248, The Fonz wrote:
In post 7247, Venus and Mars wrote:How does chk’s ability on A50 go through but fails on Bambi? Is this making sense to anyone?
CHK actually being an enchantress after all would explain it, as it happens.

I hope he flips this just because it’s really funny.

Amrun · Mon Jan 27, 2020 1:55 pm

Amrun · Mon Jan 27, 2020 1:55 pm

Wow... autocorrect.

Was supposed to say “nou”

Joke RUINED

Amrun · Mon Jan 27, 2020 2:14 pm

How much is Adorable scum?

Let me count the ways.

Amrun · Tue Jan 28, 2020 7:02 am

Just to clarify, I’m targeting my choice tonight?

Amrun · Tue Jan 28, 2020 8:29 am

In post 7420, davesaz wrote:I'm starting to warm up to the idea of just dropping back to basic mafia.
Lynch the scummiest player. Use claims more as information and less as proof.
With 4 scum to find, 2 or more of the claims are either false or true but misleading.

So fine with this.

VOTE: Adorable VOTE: Adorable VOTE: Adorable VOTE: Adorable VOTE: Adorable VOTE: Adorable VOTE: Adorable VOTE: Adorable VOTE: Adorable

Amrun · Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:05 pm

Just get the lynching me over with. I sent my fish to Fonz, goddamnit.

I’m going to flip orange though.

Someone, or several someones, in the townreads are really wrong.

I’m thinking it might be Titus idk I’m having the tinfoil. Her theories have been especially out in left field this game.

I still think Krazy is scum though. VOTE: Weiss

Amrun · Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:41 pm

50 Judge Powers - Seems town for mechanical reasons
Creature - early was a townread bc of his claim but he could be one of the ones that are wrong. He hasn’t had a presence lately.
Haggle - scum by play but cleared by Dave, whom I trust.
Joan of Arc - scum but no one will let me lynch her
Chemist1442 - kinda scummy by play I feel but the claim seems pretty town
BrightEyedFish - has been a townread all game but now is probably scum bc vendor blah blah but has a clear from RCE
Bambi Jay - strongest town read
RCEnigma - oddly, town by play but I severely mistrust his claim especially the ascetic bit
Emperor flippyNips - obviously scummy by play but has whatever clear thing from A50
Weiss Schnee - scum explained many times over. Slot 4x replaced now
Titus - I retract my tinfoil. Titus has to be town here. Probably. Blegh
davesaz - have felt he is town all game

Amrun · Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:43 pm

@schnee: RCE is fine as a lynch. But I very much disagree Adorable’s play was town. She town cases herself and only put Clemency posts.

But why say “why give my slot a fish.” Like, that’s my fucking role. That’s all I can do.

Amrun · Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:44 pm

In post 7750, Weiss Schnee wrote:are t he haggle and flips clears hard or soft?

Flips got targeted by A50, whose shot was not refunded, but A50 didn’t die. So they have to be aligned. I think I got it right.

Haggle was targeted by a dagger smith. He’d have to be scum doc.

Amrun · Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:45 pm

It’s my toddlers bed time routine posting is hard rn

Amrun · Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:49 pm

In post 7756, Weiss Schnee wrote:yeah but there was a choice involved. why did you select my slot? rng? liked adorable's avi? was hoping to catch ascetic? don't remember?

I guess you haven’t read the game.

I was worried I made Titus desperate so I wanted to target my top scumread just in case. But not bastard after all... just fish.

In post 7757, Weiss Schnee wrote:is it implied that haggle is another protective then? what does dagger smith do?

I don’t think it is implied that, no. Dagger smith is gunsmith but with Shakespeare appropriate phrasing. So he can only be scum if scum doc.

Amrun · Fri Jan 31, 2020 6:07 pm

In post 7904, Weiss Schnee wrote:Yeah but I'm also like transparently town

You're dead-set on me because
a) Clemency, who is unreadable, said something that doesn't make sense
b) you misread adorable's playstyle as being scum-indicative

the wagon has traction because clemency flakes on every game and adorable afk'd from a VT slot in a role madness game

Beyond that, you keep trying to bring in how I dealt with Nancy when she was going off the deep end and she'd been like, incredibly weaksauce to me upon replacing into a 300 page game

and even then I still did the right thing and told her to fucking kill me so the slot would not be mislynched going into today and to get her out of the game which was clearly necessary for the game to be readable

chk was transparently town and that you egged her on for that was wildly anti-town, and you're now pushing me because I tried to make her *not* nuke chk, even though he was fucking trying to lynch me

in a world where you're town, which I can't discount, you need to re-evaluate me and if you can't do that you need to play better not just through wim but through analysis

If you’re so sure Bambi is scum, then she wouldn’t have been “misreading Adorable’s play as scum-indicative,” she’s scum. You act like it’s only an outside chance Bambi is town, but this whole post was written assuming a town perspective for Bambi. It feels really off.

How many times do I have to vote this slot for it to stick?

Amrun · Fri Jan 31, 2020 6:09 pm

In post 7911, davesaz wrote:Can we get claims of actions for N3?
Hopefully Boon has remembered to send all the stuff. If there is stuff.
Did Fonz messages get revealed? I don't remember much if anything about that. I'm mystified about the super secret not gonna claim thing.

I have all the same questions.

Amrun · Fri Jan 31, 2020 6:22 pm

In post 7914, Weiss Schnee wrote:Yeah that was a terrible post, Amrun still looks like scum

I’m going to enjoy flipping town this game.

Amrun · Fri Jan 31, 2020 6:37 pm

In post 7918, BrightEyedFish wrote:Who got the dirty laundry?

Shouldn’t you know?

Amrun · Fri Jan 31, 2020 6:39 pm

In post 7917, Weiss Schnee wrote:Vote rce then

If RCE seems viable, sure.

But I had your lynch/bombing right in reach yesterday, so it’s annoying to give it up when you came in and riled things up and managed to turn it to a different, terrible outcome. I left and everything was on track, came back from work or whatever and fucking chkflip, the obvtown of all obvtowns, was dead.

Amrun · Sat Feb 01, 2020 2:14 am

In post 7990, Joan of Arc wrote:Joan of Arc
CLAIM: Loyal Doc
N1: Titus
N2: Chemist
N3: Titus

I thought you were a non consecutive doc?

Amrun · Sat Feb 01, 2020 2:15 am

Amrun
CLAIM: dead fish vendor
N1: fish to Titus
N2: fish to Adorable/Weiss
N3: fish to Fonz

Amrun · Sat Feb 01, 2020 2:20 am

VOTE: Joan

Amrun · Sat Feb 01, 2020 1:22 pm

In post 8168, davesaz wrote:
In post 7941, RCEnigma wrote:
In post 7935, Weiss Schnee wrote:
In post 4261, RCEnigma wrote:Because we've claimed modifiers we didn't start with. If there is no renegade then we're both lying or this game is bastard.
Who all has been targeted by modifiers other than titus again?
N1-

RCE - Ascetic
Titus - desperate
Chemist - loyal

N2-

Dave - ??

N3-

Titus - Ascetic
I'm reasonably certain Chemist actually got his N2. He was told at end of N2 and the other people who received modifiers said it took effect the beginning of the night they received it.

I'm not going to be saying what my modifier was unless town plans to do something that would conflict with it.

Tinfoil only one of the modifiers per night are true and the second claimer for that night is actually scum trying to make use of an extra claimed modifier to explain away "bad" results.

No he was told at the end day DAY 2 and told it took effect night 1. Which makes sense since gamma had the slot over night so the original PM probably went there.

Amrun · Sat Feb 01, 2020 1:29 pm

In post 5855, Chemist1422 wrote:oh yeah it's probably relevant to mention that I was made loyal night 1 (and was not told about it until after EoD2 so that's fun)

In post 7134, Chemist1422 wrote:
In post 7133, davesaz wrote:When did it take effect? Not when did it happen.
For me?

Presumably at the end of night 1 but it doesn’t matter because my slot didn’t submit an action

Amrun · Sat Feb 01, 2020 1:31 pm

I mean presuming the original PM was sent to gamma, and chemist got an “oh shit I forgot this” PM, it makes sense, and it’s a really irrevocably stupid thing to claim as scum. I fully believe this regardless of if chemist is scum.

Amrun · Sat Feb 01, 2020 5:30 pm

What’s the relevance of the haggle/chemist thing?

Amrun · Sat Feb 01, 2020 5:30 pm

I’ve wanted to lynch Joan since day 1 so choo fucking choo

Amrun · Sat Feb 01, 2020 5:42 pm

In post 8230, Weiss Schnee wrote:
In post 8228, Amrun wrote:What’s the relevance of the haggle/chemist thing?
it creates a 4-man party train so that's fun

If they’re neighbors together it’s a bad target and one or more is scum but like, if they’re not even paired?

Idk it’s weird.

Amrun · Sun Feb 02, 2020 7:45 am

It’s worth noting that early game, I very strongly get that Joan wasn’t scum with RCE. I think they’re in different pairs, or just one is scum.

Amrun · Sun Feb 02, 2020 9:32 am

No n0 that I’m aware of.

Amrun · Sun Feb 02, 2020 6:10 pm

Why would a scum hider ever exist?

Amrun · Mon Feb 03, 2020 12:01 pm

If Joan flips red I’ll be happy but also super pissed bc I’ve wanted to lynch her since day 1.

Amrun · Tue Feb 04, 2020 2:31 am

In post 8424, Weiss Schnee wrote:Yeah this was actually more about confirming whether RCE has ascetic or not but actually it's probably overkill to double down on it, assuming the result pm can be clear enough between "no visit" vs "no result", I don't have a problem with you doing haggle

I have not gotten a single result PM for my vending. Why would I?

Amrun · Fri Feb 07, 2020 10:39 am

In post 8457, RCEnigma wrote:Err more specifically that Amrun would vend me because bef can't be scum independently. It would have to be with me. So bef claiming interactions with me doesn't do anything.

I didn’t do this because I kind of forgot about it and also it’s stupid. If you’re town, you’re ascetic.

If you’re scum, you’re pretending to be ascetic.

I’ll let my actual target claim fish.

Amrun · Fri Feb 07, 2020 10:40 am

In post 8461, Amrun wrote:
In post 8457, RCEnigma wrote:Err more specifically that Amrun would vend me because bef can't be scum independently. It would have to be with me. So bef claiming interactions with me doesn't do anything.
I didn’t do this because I kind of forgot about it and also it’s stupid. If you’re town, you’re ascetic.

If you’re scum, you’re pretending to be ascetic.

I’ll let my actual target claim fish.

Also with a Joan flip I don’t think RCE is scum anymore so.... shrug

Amrun · Fri Feb 07, 2020 10:52 am

In post 1346, Haggle wrote:My understanding is that Joan has crumbed traitor through Shakespeare quotes before, and made a joke of writing the poem earlier. NAI.
Is the lurking/inactivity AI? I like that she townreads Drew but there's really nothing else to go off of.

-Hectic

In post 1349, chkflip wrote:Reminding myself to come back to this page if we achieve a Joan!scum lynch.

Honestly most of Joan’s early early pushers have already flipped town, except for me.

But this post looks bad in hindsight.

Amrun · Fri Feb 07, 2020 10:56 am

In post 1367, Amrun wrote:
In post 1093, Venus and Mars wrote:
In post 924, RCEnigma wrote: If Joan flakes it's safe to put a bullet there.
In case this ever becomes relevant, I don’t see RCE and Joan being linked here; so if either one flips scum, the other one is probably clear.
Agree with this post.

Just a reminder - I’ll go into it later but I still see it very unlikely that Joan/RCE are SvS

In post 1369, Bambi Jay wrote:Rly? Seems like RC just agreeing to kill an afk slot.

In post 1372, Venus and Mars wrote:
In post 1369, Bambi Jay wrote:Rly? Seems like RC just agreeing to kill an afk slot.
Would scum!RCE not prefer a replacement to losing his buddy?

Looks bad for Bambi

In post 1355, 50 Judge Powers wrote:
In post 1315, Joan of Arc wrote:That was a joke. I am baffled that you would recognize several players' posts for the joke that they are, but take mine seriously.
Yeah?! Point out the last time you made a joke like that in any game. Wait! Point out where you ever joke at all. let alone in your opening post.

VOTE: Joan

The justification in far worse than the original post, I'd say. Not buying it.

There are many reasons, including this one, that A50 is also not scum with Joan.

Amrun · Fri Feb 07, 2020 10:59 am

In post 1395, Bambi Jay wrote:
Venus and Mars wrote:
In post 1388, Venus and Mars wrote: Omigod, I think I just figured it out. She referenced it as Macbeth because he was a traitor and the
”i “
in Act 1, refers to the one ring - one traitor and the
”iii”
is the number of scum other than Joan left in the game. Joan totally did crumb traitor and that she has 3 teammates.
VOTE: Joan

If that's the case, then she made this game way easier, lol.

But also fuck her and sorry to the scum team who got such a shitty teammate.

This post seems lean town though

Amrun · Fri Feb 07, 2020 11:04 am

In post 1445, Haggle wrote:VOTE: Espressojet
his first game related post was 1433. Could you explain the weak read on Romiet, Espresso?

-Hectic

This is the second counterwagon Haggle has tried since the Joan wagon cropped up.

I was reading them as buddies then and it does still read that way despite the clear.

But of course Haggle is probably not scum doc since Joan was.

And I definitely don’t think Dave and Haggle are scum buddies.

Amrun · Fri Feb 07, 2020 11:05 am

In post 8466, 50 Judge Powers wrote:
@Mod: Check yourself, man

This is from Joan's Role PM: "You have the Desperate modifier, meaning your action will only work if you target someone who’s alignment comes off as an Evil Magical a Disguise Lord of the Boonski’i."

However, Joan herself was an Evil Magical a Disguise Lord of the Boonski’i. Did you just copy paste and forget to replace the scum team's name with Bard’s Battalion?

@Titus: No bloody comment. RIP

It means she can only protect scum, right?

Amrun · Fri Feb 07, 2020 11:07 am

Yet Dave is “all caught up” and doesn’t comment on Joan at all

Amrun · Fri Feb 07, 2020 11:09 am

In post 1532, chkflip wrote:
Act 1, Scene 3Joan of Arc [7]: chkflip, Amrun, 50 Judge Powers, RCEnigma, Venus and Mars, Bambi Jay, AaronFrost
RCEnigma [3]: Frank, BrightEyedFish, Emperor flippyNips
Amrun [2]: Titus, Doctor Drew
Espressojet [1]: Haggle
Romeo and Juliet [1]: Chara
Haggle [1]: Romeo and Juliet

Not Voting [8]: LoserdudeOG, Joan of Arc, Latias and Latios, Espressojet, Karnage, davesaz

ALL YOU BASE ARE BELONG TO US

edited into an official vc

Noteworthy VC

Amrun · Fri Feb 07, 2020 12:27 pm

Why would anyone ever lynch BEF without lynch RCE first? I don’t get it.

Amrun · Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:22 pm

In post 8507, Weiss Schnee wrote:
In post 180, RCEnigma wrote:Bef is town. This is a serious read.

In post 254, RCEnigma wrote:
In post 234, 50 Judge Powers wrote:and we all know Joan is untouchable on D1.
Best hottake btw.

In post 924, RCEnigma wrote:
In post 912, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 903, Latias and Latios wrote:dd, who would you consider lynching/not lynching today?

-latias
Can't you a solid answer on who to lynch at this moment tbh.

I think I made it clear who I don't want to lynch though.

I will, and I promise, grill Joan/replacement for Joan in the hood though..... and probably here as well.

I will say, something that I can't put a finger on irks me about Nancy(totally not because of the hydra thing I swear).
If Joan flakes it's safe to put a bullet there.

In post 1390, RCEnigma wrote:VOTE: Joan

I think R&J looks pretty damn good on a scum!Joan flip for diving into the quote

In post 2317, RCEnigma wrote:PS I'm totally fine flipping Joan over any of these wagons.
kinda looks not same-pt as joan tbh

but for day 1 when scum weren't unified I don't know if I can tell from joan's role pm whether the two scum groups knew each other at start?

I was going to make a not scum with Joan case for RCE.

Joan knew there were 3 other scum. Her crumb said so. Unless they know there’s a traitor, they’re not in the same PT, because why else would she even make the crumb? And would she make the crumb just for a traitor? I bet they can join up some way too.

But if that’s the case, why would RCE even attack the crumb in the way he did? What’s the scum motivation, even if he’s in the other PT?

I’m not seeing it.

Amrun · Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:23 pm

FWIW, I also think that thinking I’m scum with Joan is laughable at best.

Amrun · Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:50 pm

Me? I mean associations with Joan don’t look good, but I think the way he went about claiming day 2 is not faked

Amrun · Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:51 pm

I think Dave is town which makes Haggle almost certainly town. Without those clears existing we’d be having another conversation.

Amrun · Sat Feb 08, 2020 1:42 am

In post 1485, Amrun wrote:
In post 1454, Haggle wrote:
In post 1448, Amrun wrote:I can buy Haggle as scum, especially with Joan.

Also dave is still aggressively not producing content.

P-edit: yes
Why are you scumreading our slot? I didn't see you provide reasons in your earlier list.

-Hectic
Honestly, I really don’t like your play around the Dave slot. Feels like you’re setting up a mislynch there.

In post 1891, Amrun wrote:I don’t hate that AF vote, actually. I didn’t like the mention of dave slot after mine when AF did it.

If Dave is scum, it is NOT with scum AF knew about. He basically came in and parroted what I had said about Dave without referencing me.

Amrun · Sat Feb 08, 2020 4:14 pm

In post 2677, davesaz wrote:NAR only matters for actions which depend on each other.
If I were investigating the killed player it would be no result. But apparently the side-effects of the death happen
after night is over
. In previous Boon games, changes to modifiers etc. affected the next night.

I think Creature's results should be interpreted without the effect of the JD flip.
I have not actually read whatever Creature claimed. Somewhere between 10 and 30 posts popped up in all the pedits and I was on a mission to get submit pressed.

In post 2681, Titus wrote:@Dave that's incorrect. The JD dying impacts all cop and cop like roles. To not have it resolve first would break NAR.

In post 2682, Titus wrote:Which leaves us in the situation of how you got a result and a nerf.

In post 2683, davesaz wrote:Well, I'm not lying about my results so it's either a mod error or a mod kill.

In post 2685, davesaz wrote:Or I'm right, since it's identical to the mechanics in Last Night Tomorrow where the modifiers granted by night games were only effective the next night.

In post 2687, davesaz wrote:You have my word for it. I don't know whether to believe Creature or if it's a gamit to get conf.

I got distracted while trying to look for why Dave is town, like, 10 hours ago... a bunch of shit has probably been posted since and I’m not caught up. But Dave is absolutely town for this series of posts and being the ONLY one who fully understood how the cop like roles got disabled and the sequence in NAR for how it happened... because he is clearly a cop like role who got disabled.

Amrun · Sun Feb 09, 2020 2:28 am

In post 8573, Weiss Schnee wrote:yeah split means one of the two vendors is functionally guilty

if either action fails and they tried to vend to a rolestopped target (i.e. titus) then their other vend (renegade action) would also fail which explains why no renegade actions seem so inconsistent that night, and why it 'just so happens' both ended up happening to target a dead person with one of their vends

I kinda agree with A50, we should play around a split renegade/vendor and lynch inside amrun/bef

This doesn’t make sense. Titus was rolestopped N1 and received both Desperate and a fish, the latter from me.

Amrun · Sun Feb 09, 2020 2:36 am

In post 8646, Weiss Schnee wrote:
In post 8643, 50 Judge Powers wrote:I am kinda undecided on RCE. I dunno what to make of this confusion, but I guess I'll town lean him now for mechanical reasons (or rather setup spec reasons). I mean, I thought he was scum before I reread that Boon post and deduce scum have a split modifier.
sell me on town Amrun? I feel strongly she isn't same-PT as Joan but feel like she kinda has the best renegade chances atm?

I honestly think this is crazy after my open paranoia about possibly having given Titus desperate by accident. There’s absolutely no reason I would behave this way as scum renegade.

Amrun · Sun Feb 09, 2020 2:40 am

In post 8674, Weiss Schnee wrote:
In post 8672, 50 Judge Powers wrote:In fact, THAT is who I'm guessing is the Renegade, and he wanted to see if anyone had seen him do it.
BEF red flip as renegade confirms both Creature and Dave as scum though, so do you think it is a BEF-Creature-Dave scumteam?

How does it make Dave scum?

I personally think Creature is probably scum due to PoE and poor progression on Joan,
Plus I have a pet theory that PT cop was to help scum find the other PT.

Amrun · Sun Feb 09, 2020 2:42 am

In post 8685, Weiss Schnee wrote:
In post 8681, Emperor flippyNips wrote:
In post 8674, Weiss Schnee wrote:
In post 8672, 50 Judge Powers wrote:In fact, THAT is who I'm guessing is the Renegade, and he wanted to see if anyone had seen him do it.
BEF red flip as renegade confirms both Creature and Dave as scum though, so do you think it is a BEF-Creature-Dave scumteam?

how does that confirm them as scum?
Creature claims a track result on BEF that has him only going to Chara, so BEF Renegade flip would mean Dave lied about receiving modifier night 2 and also that Creature lied about track result

...which is why Creature probably didn't lie about his track result, one way or the other

But if it’s “split” wouldn’t different members of the scumteam have renegade on different nights? Am I understanding this right?

Amrun · Sun Feb 09, 2020 2:47 am

Ok, even though I just said that, I think it’s weird that BEF is voting creature.

I feel like, mechanically, BEF should suspect me. But an eventual Amrun townflip looks bad for BEF.

And why suspect CREATURE as BEF, who theoretically should be aligned? Pushing Creature is a big brain scum play here I’m not 100% sure BEF is capable of but I think mechanically BEF has a decent shot at being scum, and I’d love to resolve this once and for all.

VOTE: BEF

L-1

Amrun · Sun Feb 09, 2020 2:58 am

In post 8715, BrightEyedFish wrote:
In post 8712, Amrun wrote:
And why suspect CREATURE as BEF, who theoretically should be aligned? Pushing Creature is a big brain scum play here I’m not 100% sure BEF is capable of but I think mechanically BEF has a decent shot at being scum, and I’d love to resolve this once and for all.
Here is the progress in this last sentence:

Scum!BEF makes a big scum play, BEF isn't capable of a big scum play, but BEF is probably scum.

Wow.

I’m not totally convinced you are scum, that’s all. I’m always honest about my reads.

I still think resolving your slot is helpful. If you’re town, I’ll be a lot less paranoid about Creature, for example.

I may get mislynched but that’s probably happening either way because I don’t have a mechanical clear.

If you’re scum, I can hopefully prevent that mislynch from happening!

Why does scum Creature track you on that night From your POV?

Amrun · Sun Feb 09, 2020 2:58 am

In post 8716, BrightEyedFish wrote:
In post 8712, Amrun wrote:
And why suspect CREATURE as BEF, who theoretically should be aligned?

Then why did Creature start the wagon on me if we are aligned?

Idk I doubt he’s reading tbh

Amrun · Sun Feb 09, 2020 2:59 am

That doesn’t make you not a good lynch though. Sorry.

Amrun · Sun Feb 09, 2020 3:28 am

In post 8722, BrightEyedFish wrote:
In post 8717, Amrun wrote:
Why does scum Creature track you on that night From your POV?
Scum!Creature would probably be fishing for a PR or one of the other scum partners by tracking me, I would assume.

Can you explain this post to me?

Amrun · Sun Feb 09, 2020 3:29 am

In post 8723, BrightEyedFish wrote:Why would Town!Creature be so nonchalant with announcing that he tracked me on Chara right after Chara was NKd?

Fair point.

Amrun · Sun Feb 09, 2020 3:34 am

In post 8726, BrightEyedFish wrote:
In post 8724, Amrun wrote:
In post 8722, BrightEyedFish wrote:
In post 8717, Amrun wrote:
Why does scum Creature track you on that night From your POV?
Scum!Creature would probably be fishing for a PR or one of the other scum partners by tracking me, I would assume.
Can you explain this post to me?

That would be the purpose of any scum!tracker in any game. To snuff out TPRs.

But you were already known to be a dirty laundry vendor at that point.

Amrun · Sun Feb 09, 2020 12:04 pm

In post 8729, BrightEyedFish wrote:
In post 8728, Amrun wrote: But you were already known to be a dirty laundry vendor at that point.
False. It was known there was a dirty vendor but I had not claimed until, after the Chara NK iirc.

Huh. I guess i misremembered that then.

VOTE: Creature

I’m going down the rabbit hole.

Amrun · Sun Feb 09, 2020 12:08 pm

In post 8755, Weiss Schnee wrote:@amrun I don't get why bef green flip makes you less paranoid of creature

I was thinking because of the track results but I kinda changed my mind on that obviously.

In post 8764, Weiss Schnee wrote:Like it's weird that she's only wrong on like 3 reads so far?

Why is that weird?

Especially after you just finished the open game in team mafia with me? I usually have pretty good reads, especially early game.

In fact, the entire time I was floundering In this game it’s because I was being forced to treat Aaron and Joan as town when I didn’t believe them to be.

Amrun · Sun Feb 09, 2020 12:09 pm

In post 8768, Bambi Jay wrote:I still wanna see how it evolved. Has the Dave read evolved? That one is sticking out to me.

I mean I literally made a Dave town case like one page ago...? What are you talking about?

Amrun · Sun Feb 09, 2020 12:19 pm

I find Weiss to be tonally town at this point but realistically all the reasons I thought that slot was scum still exist and we need to be aware. Scum rolecop still makes sense here.

Amrun · Sun Feb 09, 2020 2:45 pm

Yes 50jp is not scum with Joan. Just no.

Amrun · Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:50 am

I just ISOed RCE again and honestly, the Joan interactions aren’t as exclusive as I thought they were day 1 and in hindsight I can see them being from buddy and it’s really hard to build a scum team without RCE in it.

VOTE: RCE

This feels better to me than Creature atm.

Amrun · Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:55 am

In post 8854, Emperor flippyNips wrote:@amrun– how do you feel about BEF?

Mechanics say higher than rand scum. My heart says town.

Amrun · Tue Feb 11, 2020 2:02 pm

In post 8884, RCEnigma wrote:Titus want flips dead she had as close to a clear as we're gonna get via A50.

The only hard evidence of a rolestopper was the interaction between A50/creature/Titus and it was resolved via Chk's flip. I'm not basing my check on hypotheticals. If a scum rolestop/roleblock/jailkeeper flips then I'll reconsider bef but not before.

Maybe not jailkeeper since I was affected n1 and Bef had a verifiable action. But the point still stands.

There is no resistance to me being lynched today which should set some flags off already. Which was the trend with romeo and drew. Chk being the exception since Nancy took the kill into her hands.

I fought drew lynch really hard and no one gave a shit, so I don’t think that’s accurate.

And R&J wouldn’t even produce a read so they kinda gave up.

Amrun · Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:10 am

Intent to hammer I guess.

I TR the slot but this day is stagnating and I do think the slot by necessity has to be in PoE.

Amrun · Thu Feb 13, 2020 12:17 pm

In post 8945, BrightEyedFish wrote:I will vote Bambi, RCE, 5ßJP or Amrun today. Also, probably anyone else too if they get a wagon at this point.

Why JP?

Amrun · Fri Feb 14, 2020 2:54 am

No. Fuck no.

Anyone smoking fucking crack that I’m scum with Joan is probably just scum.

VOTE: Weiss Schnee

Amrun · Fri Feb 14, 2020 6:05 am

1. I think RCE has to be in PoE though I tonally TR him. Same for Bambi, and BEF. I do not trust Creature. And you obviously. I think the remaining scumteam is likely in this group.

2. Idk really. I think the idea that the scum doctor didn’t know who scum was, besides traitor, is pretty meh.

Amrun · Fri Feb 14, 2020 6:39 am

OMGUS? I’ve been gunning for your slot long before you inhabited it. I have a temporary stay due to townish tone making me doubt. But nothing mechanically precludes you from being scum and all the reasons I suspected your predecessors still exist. Framing that as OMGUS sucks.

Amrun · Fri Feb 14, 2020 6:40 am

I am completely fine with lynching RCE if you care to consolidate.

Amrun · Fri Feb 14, 2020 6:46 am

I think you probably are tbh.

Idk I get bogged down in all the mechanics stuff. I’m not renegade though so.

Amrun · Fri Feb 14, 2020 6:47 am

Truthfully I think one of RCE/chemist had to be scum bc there are too many night 1 modifiers.

Chemist’s claim is so convoluted idk why scum would choose to do that so it’s probably RCE

Amrun · Fri Feb 14, 2020 7:02 am

I more meant the way that chemist went about physically claiming that he got a modifier, but yes.

Amrun · Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:19 am

There are 3 people claiming modifiers N1.

Titus came out of the gate with her “made desperate” claim and there was heavy speculation. If Titus is scum, she’s totally snowed me, and it stems from this part of the game mostly. It is not a scum approach to this.

RCE casually mentions “I believe it, I was made ascetic.” I have always been skeptical of the way he claimed this. He did not sell it with believability (IMO).

On day 3, chemist claims he was made loyal on N1 but wasn’t told about it until EoD2. At the time this went unnoticed but was expanded upon later. I’ll go into it more in a bit.

Dave also claims to have gotten a modifier on N2. There are discrepancies between Dave’s PM and chemist. Dave thinks chemist is mixed up and got his modifier on n2. I don’t.

Amrun · Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:23 am

In post 4063, Amrun wrote:
In post 3996, Bambi Jay wrote:Little miffed nobody here answered me if it makes sense for town to get both a Cop-like enabler and a Doctor enabler on the same side. That's almost Beloved Princess levels of swing without actually breaking the Boon Rules.

Hence why AF is still in my scum pool.

Found this by coincidence.

This still doesn’t read like scum for Bambi. She would have known Joan was a real (scum) doc.

Amrun · Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:26 am

In post 5081, Amrun wrote:
In post 5024, Adorable wrote:I don't know if some of the players are misunderstanding me or not and I'm here to clear things up.

I'm scum hunting and I was not role fishing. I was guessing that maybe some of the scum were the unclaimed and most of the players who claimed I assumed they were town and I was leaning town on some of them and I remember someone asked if we all should claim. I had to read the whole thread so that I can figure out who is scum and it took me around 4-5 days to catch up so that I can give my thoughts. I have been scum reading Amrun after my catch up and I think she is scum and I've explained earlier. On her new post she said the only players who she voted that could reasonably be town is R&J and she said Haggle is not cleared but Davesaz said Haggle is cleared. If what she says about Haggle not being cleared then wouldn't that mean Davesaz is also not cleared?

Joan claimed Doctor and from the looks of it Amrun is saying Joan is also not cleared but normally a Doctor is always town. From my experience scum always, always say that a certain town player's read looks made up and this is what she did to my read and I have even had 2 scum players go after me saying that my reads look fake or they would vote me after I give my reads and this happened on 2 of my completed games here on this site. I don't know when I'll be back and I'm guessing somewhere in around 11-14 hours.
A) Yes, I consider davesaz to be town. I have never voted davesaz, so that’s irrelevant.

B) Joan claimed doctor. That doesn’t mean she IS doctor, nor that she is town, even if she is doctor, especially in a role madness game. Claiming a role doesn’t make it accurate, nor does it make one town.

C) The fact that you’re taking all the claims at face value and think they’re all town is why I think you’re much higher than rand to be scum, along with the fact that your read on me is internally inconsistent and the stated reasons are inaccurate. For example, I’ve also voted RCE, whom you state you are scum reading, but you scumread me for “voting all town.”

D) I could still turn out to have factually voted all town. There are a lot more town than scum. That doesn’t make me scum.

Your scum hunting is faked, or just awful. I’m betting on faked.

@chkflp: forgive me if you have stated this already, but just to confirm, your rolestop ability did not stop A50 from attempting to hide?

Bad Joan associatives from Adorable slot

Amrun · Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:33 am

In post 6467, Amrun wrote:
In post 6466, Bambi Jay wrote:Yeah Chemist being odd night and still doing Jack n1 is scummy. He kept avoiding explaining what happened too. But it's still likely he couldve just fucked up.

I think they probably legit no actioned on N1, regardless.

I think gamma site flaked and it made chemist mad so he replaced out of the hydra, then he felt bad and took the slot back over. I think that’s true regardless.

However, I’m wondering why it made him so mad that gamma was flaking to begin with. Why didn’t he want to play the game on his own? Was it because he rolled scum?

If he had good in game interactions and stuff I wouldn’t consider it but he’s been a total non presence.

In post 6457, Amrun wrote:Two town JOATS seems improbable also and I believe Creature over RCE.

And is chemist still in the game? What’s happening with Chemist?

In post 7100, Amrun wrote:
In post 7094, Chemist1422 wrote:
In post 7092, davesaz wrote:I was mistaken about there being a 2nd laundry claim.

Modifier claims:
N1: Titus (desperate), BEF (Ascetic)
N2: Me (didn't say and outing it isn't helpful to town), can't remember (can't remember)

It would be much harder to find the 2nd modifier claim for N2, as it's not easily ctrl-f. If anyone knows please post.

Remember we have to assume renegade is motivated in order for there to be two modifiers given. This could mean that one modifier is fake.
I was given Loyal night 1 as well
The actual fuck

In post 8169, Amrun wrote:
In post 8168, davesaz wrote:
In post 7941, RCEnigma wrote:
In post 7935, Weiss Schnee wrote:
In post 4261, RCEnigma wrote:Because we've claimed modifiers we didn't start with. If there is no renegade then we're both lying or this game is bastard.
Who all has been targeted by modifiers other than titus again?
N1-

RCE - Ascetic
Titus - desperate
Chemist - loyal

N2-

Dave - ??

N3-

Titus - Ascetic
I'm reasonably certain Chemist actually got his N2. He was told at end of N2 and the other people who received modifiers said it took effect the beginning of the night they received it.

I'm not going to be saying what my modifier was unless town plans to do something that would conflict with it.

Tinfoil only one of the modifiers per night are true and the second claimer for that night is actually scum trying to make use of an extra claimed modifier to explain away "bad" results.
No he was told at the end day DAY 2 and told it took effect night 1. Which makes sense since gamma had the slot over night so the original PM probably went there.

In post 8171, Amrun wrote:
In post 5855, Chemist1422 wrote:oh yeah it's probably relevant to mention that I was made loyal night 1 (and was not told about it until after EoD2 so that's fun)

In post 7134, Chemist1422 wrote:
In post 7133, davesaz wrote:When did it take effect? Not when did it happen.
For me?

Presumably at the end of night 1 but it doesn’t matter because my slot didn’t submit an action

In post 8173, Amrun wrote:I mean presuming the original PM was sent to gamma, and chemist got an “oh shit I forgot this” PM, it makes sense, and it’s a really irrevocably stupid thing to claim as scum. I fully believe this regardless of if chemist is scum.

Amrun · Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:34 am

Let me know if you need clarification, Weiss

Amrun · Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:43 am

Doesn’t feel right in my soul

Amrun · Fri Feb 14, 2020 1:15 pm

I think it makes sense specifically because of how it went down - original PM probably went to gamma and this was an “oh shit” PM.

Who makes up an oh shit forgotten modifier? You could just NOT claim this, as scum. You could just ... NOOOOOT

Amrun · Sat Feb 15, 2020 2:35 am

Before Joan flip I would have understood but now if I’m lynched I’ll be really pissed.

Amrun · Sat Feb 15, 2020 7:09 am

In post 9029, Chemist1422 wrote:I’ll bother to prodge when the mod bothers to prod me

Sup

Chemist hasn’t tried at all this game and it bothers me.

Amrun · Sat Feb 15, 2020 1:38 pm

Ok, whatever man. No point dragging this out.

VOTE: Bambi Jay

Here’s to hoping for red flip

Amrun · Sat Feb 15, 2020 2:56 pm

Oh that’s sad, lol, I TR Bambi all game

But yay for scum lynch

Amrun · Tue Feb 18, 2020 9:41 am

Chemist needs to claim their neighbor now.

Amrun · Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:19 am

Dave is town. Y’all stop this foolishness.

Amrun · Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:28 am

Yeah I guess. But haggle’s flip and the confirmation that Dave was neighbor which I already suspected was enough for me.

Like I said earlier, the way he quibbled about the wording/timing etc of the PM about being vanillized just came off so genuine to me that I’ll never vote Dave.

Amrun · Tue Feb 18, 2020 1:25 pm

I’m not renegade though.

How do you explain chemist/creature in that solve even?

Amrun · Tue Feb 18, 2020 1:29 pm

In post 9116, Weiss Schnee wrote:Well, here's what bambi did

Bambi followed Chemist. That part was real.
His result: chemist did not do shit
Conclusion: "CHEMIST YOU VISITED SOMEONE! HOW EXCITING!"
obvious play

Bambi didn't know who chemist had tried to visit but it didn't matter, he had to claim a success knowing it was a fail

So chemist tries to visit creature, has a soft guilty, bambi sells it as an inno

Meanwhile creature just *is* scum and gets to be ignored for bullshit mech reasons

This is really confusing to me though I feel like it shouldn’t be.

Regardless, I wanted to lynch creature yesterday.

VOTE: Creature

Amrun · Tue Feb 18, 2020 2:10 pm

I can claim my target? I was waiting but idk what’s best.

Amrun · Tue Feb 18, 2020 2:12 pm

Amrun · Tue Feb 18, 2020 5:24 pm

Amrun · Wed Feb 19, 2020 12:26 am

I sent fish to RCE but like, blah blah.

I still don’t think we can let nips endgame.

Amrun · Wed Feb 19, 2020 2:13 am

Is that a question to me? If so, I don’t understand it, sorry.

Amrun · Wed Feb 19, 2020 3:10 am

Oh shit I forgot that. I think n4 claim makes TSE scum?

Amrun · Wed Feb 19, 2020 3:10 am

And yet if so, opposite Bambi scum? And they by necessity didn’t know one another?

Wow. Headfuckery.

Amrun · Wed Feb 19, 2020 4:33 am

In post 9215, 50 Judge Powers wrote:
In post 9208, Amrun wrote:I still don’t think we can let nips endgame.
Why not? I mean, seriously.. we lynched SCUM over the past 2 days, so why the fixation on lynching -an admittedly useless- slot that is mechanically cleared?

I have doubts about the clear - not about you, but about Miller being the only thing that allows you to live.

Amrun · Wed Feb 19, 2020 4:48 am

I regret my target I am sorry

I just remembered I was supposed to target RCE the night before and didn’t.

Amrun · Wed Feb 19, 2020 9:10 am

In post 9221, 50 Judge Powers wrote:
In post 9216, Amrun wrote:
In post 9215, 50 Judge Powers wrote:
In post 9208, Amrun wrote:I still don’t think we can let nips endgame.
Why not? I mean, seriously.. we lynched SCUM over the past 2 days, so why the fixation on lynching -an admittedly useless- slot that is mechanically cleared?
I have doubts about the clear - not about you, but about Miller being the only thing that allows you to live.
Then you find another explanation. "I have doubts" isn't good enough if you don't provide a valid alternative.

I don’t have another explanation. I think there is an explanation we aren’t accounting for that makes it possible for nips to be scum.

A) VCA is damning for nips

B) we had a miller fakeclaim day 1, nips didn’t say shit

C) we had a miller FLIP on N1, nips still didn’t say shit!!!

D) in how many other games do we find out someone is a miller by night action in a game with a flipped miller and let them live until end game? Seriously?

In post 9223, davesaz wrote:Claiming ascetic targets with "forgot about ascetic" or "remembered that was the plan previous night" would be the (almost) perfect cover for being out of shots for a split n-shot fish vendor renegade.
Forgetting that was a possibility earlier in this game is somewhat facepalm for me. I don't even remember the result of the previous game that had the split n-shot, would have to look it up again.

I didn’t forget he was ascetic. But someone was salty I didn’t target RCE yesterday for reasons I didn’t understand then, so I figured I might as well target him tonight.

I regret that now since RCE blocked me, but it’s still who I targeted so whatever.

Amrun · Wed Feb 19, 2020 9:22 am

awwww are you trying to coast through a game putting no fucking effort at all?

In a perfect world we wouldn’t have let scum quick hammer the OBV TOWN vig so the vig could have shot you.

Amrun · Wed Feb 19, 2020 7:30 pm

Didn’t you want to kill Creature yesterday?

Why go for RCE today?

Amrun · Sun Feb 23, 2020 3:22 am

VOTE: BEF

Sent him fish, he didn’t claim it

Amrun · Sun Feb 23, 2020 3:30 am

Oooh.

Haha.

Ok, barring that, day 5 or something made me think BEF wasn’t scum with creature.

VOTE: RCE

This has got to go. Although we can go back to Weiss honestly... I’m obviously not scum at this point so pushing it still is annoying at best.

Amrun · Sun Feb 23, 2020 4:09 am

In post 9256, BrightEyedFish wrote:
In post 9255, Amrun wrote:Oooh.

Haha.

Ok, barring that, day 5 or something made me think BEF wasn’t scum with creature.

VOTE: RCE

This has got to go. Although we can go back to Weiss honestly... I’m obviously not scum at this point so pushing it still is annoying at best.
Not that I SR you but how are you obvtown?

I think thinking I’m scum with Joan is literally like, a laughing matter.

Thinking I’m scum with Bambi, I mean I could maybe see how someone else might see that, but I think it’s a bit silly too to think that’s s/s interaction.

I also tried to kill creature on day 5 when it was like ????? kind of a weird move.

It is what it is though. I guess.

Amrun · Sun Feb 23, 2020 4:12 am

The thing that makes me think Weiss isn’t scum is how they pushed through Bambi.

The only one left with no compelling reasons they could be town is RCE.

BEF’s are less compelling, but some exist, so I’d prefer to lynch RCE over BEF.

Pretending I’m doing “anything that sticks” is also disingenuous when that’s pretty demonstrably not true.

Amrun · Sun Feb 23, 2020 9:44 am

With WHAT reasoning?

Realistically it’s not the end of the world but I don’t want to be mislynched even so. I don’t think I’ve been mislynched since returning tbh.

Amrun · Sun Feb 23, 2020 9:46 am

50jp gets a pass, anyone else voting me are meanypants.

Amrun · Sun Feb 23, 2020 9:48 am

Also plz don’t smoke crack and think 50jp is deep wolf thanks

Amrun · Mon Feb 24, 2020 12:40 am

In post 9267, BrightEyedFish wrote:VOTE: Amrun

Not a fan of his defense right now, feels like we got this. I believe that's L-1.

BEF, no, don’t lose the plot now!

Amrun · Mon Feb 24, 2020 10:53 am

I was town.

Please don’t let nips coast - something is wrong there.

Lynch RCE next.

Amrun · Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:35 pm

That was a nail biter in the dead thread. lol

I think Bambi and RCE played very well!

Amrun · Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:36 pm

Also huge shout out to Weiss for that clutch replace in!!!

Amrun · Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:46 pm

Oh I think AF played well too!!

Amrun · Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:08 pm

In post 9640, davesaz wrote:I wanted to go RCE first but caved on Amrun too easily. Pretty much the only regret this game.
Weiss came in and saved a slot that was so doomed it wasn't funny.
That's the definition of the White Knight scummy IIRC.

Agree - plan to nom this! I encourage everyone else to do so too.