Everything Is Still A Lie v2 [Canceled]
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Too funnyIn post 680, ceejayvinoya wrote: You can be the amazing voice of reason-
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In post 729, Iconeum wrote:
go to a GIF websiteIn post 679, VaultDweller wrote:Looks like I signed up for the wrong game. I'm bad at shitposting.
start commenting on posts using gifs only
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I'll wait until the signal-to-noise ratio reaches an acceptable levelIn post 727, TrueSoulHustler wrote:o-
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I was quoting thisIn post 727, TrueSoulHustler wrote:
or you canIn post 679, VaultDweller wrote:Looks like I signed up for the wrong game. I'm bad at shitposting.
yknow
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Was this directed at me? And do you want a read on Mena specifically or the whole slot?In post 953, ObviousScum wrote:where are you on mena?-
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It's too early to say. The way they had a strong opinion on the Ico/Ins interaction could be opportunistic scum, especially if it is TvT like I suspect. If I'm wrong and it's TvS it could still be scum trying to either save their partner or gaining towncred by pushing their partner.In post 956, ObviousScum wrote:
yeah. whole slotIn post 955, VaultDweller wrote:
Was this directed at me? And do you want a read on Mena specifically or the whole slot?In post 953, ObviousScum wrote:where are you on mena?
All that being said, I find nothing inherently scummy in the way they are pushing Insomnia as well as their reads on him, so it is more likely that they are just town trying to actually solve. A quick skim of their ISO also shows a relatively high number of posts trying to solve, unlike most other players in the game.-
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Glad you asked. Going through his ISO properly it doesn't seem so townie as I remember.
In post 584, a Gun and a Rose wrote:What's wrong with Icon's progression there, Insom?
This is the first time (and only before the next quote) he mentions Insomnia
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This is a strange post. Of the entire wall Insomnia is the only player he mentions.
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This is basically a summary of his reasoning. Which all in all isn't that strong a read IMO, unlike the tone of the previous posts which seemed to indicate he was quite convinced Insomnia is scum. I personally also find it an ironic read, since G&R's push is also based on something which isn't scum indicative but look bad.In post 942, a Gun and a Rose wrote:
My vote isn't on you purely because "I disagree with you". I think that Icon is being pushed for things that appear bad but are actually NAI.In post 861, insomnia wrote:What is your vote achieving if it's placed on someone that you disagree with? Like are you gonna lynch me for not having the same opinion as you?
I would like some examples where scum have pushed Iconeum based on meta before, when you wake up, please.
And I never said that. I said he'd be pushed for things that aren't scum indicative but look bad.
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Oops, quotes got mangled. Here is a proper version
Glad you asked. Going through his ISO properly it doesn't seem so townie as I remember.
This is the first time (and only before the next quote) he mentions Insomnia
This is a strange post. Of the entire wall Insomnia is the only player he mentions.In post 690, a Gun and a Rose wrote:660 is a nice wall, though I don't get why the quoted posts or the fact Insom commented on our avi make them towny?
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This is basically a summary of his reasoning. Which all in all isn't that strong a read IMO, unlike the tone of the previous posts which seemed to indicate he was quite convinced Insomnia is scum. I personally also find it an ironic read, since G&R's push is also based on something which isn't scum indicative but look bad.In post 942, a Gun and a Rose wrote:
My vote isn't on you purely because "I disagree with you". I think that Icon is being pushed for things that appear bad but are actually NAI.In post 861, insomnia wrote:What is your vote achieving if it's placed on someone that you disagree with? Like are you gonna lynch me for not having the same opinion as you?
I would like some examples where scum have pushed Iconeum based on meta before, when you wake up, please.
And I never said that. I said he'd be pushed for things that aren't scum indicative but look bad.
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Pushing a highly mislynchable player doesn't make you scum. I'm a highly mislynchable player and the players pushing me usually turn out to be town.In post 971, a Gun and a Rose wrote: the fact that he is a *highly* mislynchable player-
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A gut feel I guess. The way they are both convinced the other is scum feels like TvT from past experience. Admittedly this isn't a strong read, but the strongest I've got atm.In post 971, a Gun and a Rose wrote: Why do you read icon v insom as TvT?-
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Give me a proper read on Insomnia then. Because FMPOV you are pushing them because they did something that looks scummy instead of trying to read them more deeply.In post 982, a Gun and a Rose wrote:
Pushing mislynchable players bc they did something that looks scummy instead of trying to read them more deeply is definitely +scum and the inability of towns to go beyond the surface level of mislynch bait is one of the main reasons they loseIn post 979, VaultDweller wrote:
Pushing a highly mislynchable player doesn't make you scum. I'm a highly mislynchable player and the players pushing me usually turn out to be town.In post 971, a Gun and a Rose wrote: the fact that he is a *highly* mislynchable player
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I disagree that the push was in bad faith. I think Insomnia genuinely sees Ico's behaviour as scummy and is pushing him for that. From what you're telling me it's normal Ico behaviour which makes him mislynchable, but Isomnia seems to disagree with that. That in itself doesn't make Insomnia scum. If you can give me more than that I might reconsider, but that's where I'm at.In post 986, a Gun and a Rose wrote:Idrk what you want beyond what I’m giving you?
I think there’s a meaningful distinction between “X is scummy for lolvoting, let’s lynch them”
And “X is making a really bad faith push due to something that’s NAI, let’s lynch them”
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DittoIn post 1205, ObviousScum wrote:I'm not sure I townread rose for that tantrum.-
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Very interesting claim, given what I learned last nightIn post 2006, Chemist1422 wrote:Hardclaim Town Complex Strongman Vengeful tbh
If I’m lynched I can strongman kill a player, but it fails if they’re vanilla tbh
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What are the odds it got redirected to Chemist given his claim?In post 2215, Frozen Angel wrote:
If my roleblock vig on them was redirceted it means your ability was also redirectedIn post 2213, VaultDweller wrote:I'm as surprised as you are. Actually, I got their entire role PM quoted to me, with only two parts redacted: The name part, which implies it could have been someone else's PM, and the whole part under a heading "Personal PT".-
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Probably this.In post 2266, Rautherdir wrote:
It was a GIM role. Which probably could have that ability.In post 2264, 50 Judge Powers wrote:
Also, a Role Cop only learns about the ROLE of the target, but not their Modifiers/number of shots.In post 2210, VaultDweller wrote:Caught up.
I received Role Cop as my invention last night. I RC'ed agaar. I received "Complex Strongman Vengeful 1-Shot Bulletproof 3-Shot Unversal Miller Jester" back for him. Make of that what you will
Also, a different effect that was supposed to hit AGAAR hit Chemist instead last night, so that probably happened for the role cop as well.
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Not sure how to defend against this.In post 2363, Rautherdir wrote:Oh wait...
VOTE: VaultDweller
Day 1 when PeaHen pushed me for voting VaultDweller I wondered if PeaHen was scum defending an 'inno' partner. That's a lot more likely now that I know PeaHen was Mafia. (To be fair, it could also just be PeaHen trying to push an easy mislynch on me for voting an IC.)
I'm probably not a bad lynch though since I don't have any active powers.-
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W.r.t. the questions, we should probably try asking questions with binary answers (e.g. yes or no questions). That way, if we can figure out which answer is the truth we automatically know the answers to the other questions. Some suggestions:
- Are there any other factions still alive except for Town, Mafia and Cult?
- Is there a player alive who is still able to actively recruit members to the cult faction?-
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Not that I know of. I'd prefer not to be lynched, but if we're gonna mislynch someone it might as well be me.In post 2400, polypies73 wrote:@vault
did anything happen to you last night?
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It's definitely not 1 or 2.In post 2408, DreamingLich wrote:There's four areas of possibility here:
VaultDweller is town, and has a balanced Venge type role (if it were OP VaultDweller would want to be lynched)
VaultDweller is town, and has a slam dunk Last Will active
VaultDweller is a cult or traitor, lynching there would mean not lynching a high value target'
VaultDweller doesn't actually want to be (mis)lynched if he has to be
If it's 3 or 4, you probably don't want to lynch me.
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VOTE: DreamingLichIn post 2487, 50 Judge Powers wrote:I think I'm willing to die for this:
VOTE: dreaminglich
ObvScum tried to recruit them to the Jury last night. I went for someone else with good reasoning and the other Jusrists (bar Korina) went my way. With ObvScum being conf!Scum I now have the evidence that dreaminglich is indeed a Mafioso, which is something I suspected was true but didn't have proof of.
P.S. Yes. Dead Jurists will still retain their place (and vote) in the Jury PT. Not even death can prevent you from serving your jury duty.
Partly because I actually believe this but mostly for self-pres.-
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Then don'tIn post 2572, polypies73 wrote:idk i feel like we're all abstaining and it's kind of bad-
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