Everything Is Still A Lie v2 [Canceled]

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[ObviousScum]

Everyone whisper me your true alignment so I can negotiate on behalf of my team

[ObviousScum]

Noted for the future tbh

too bad I randed jester here tbh

Whisper me to confirm that you're the jester and I can help you win day 1

[ObviousScum]

Anyone who wants jester win day 1 whisper me and I will make it happen

Trust in the scum guys

[ObviousScum]

I'm still trying to figure out a way to kill Hectic without dying myself. It's my wincon.
If anyone has an ability that lends itself to my goal then please post it without hesitation.

- Norwee

Since you have said you're against whispering, confirm that lynching Hectic will fulfill your wincon here and I will help you make it happen

[ObviousScum]

VOTE: Hectic Head of Minstral

But ONLY that head

want to know if this resolves on VC

[ObviousScum]

damn

would my vote in 154 have resolved as only a vote on hectic head?

[ObviousScum]

Honestly, Minstrel getting put on trial was rather funny, but like, was there any real reason for it? Does anyone know?
Also, I’d like this to get inno’d. It’s not even a full IRL day into the game, and if Minstrel is found guilty, that ends the day.

didn't you just confirm that you're at the head of the jury?

[ObviousScum]

Isn't the Jury confirmed to be filled with town?

didn't korina just confirm that korina is in the jury and also confirm that korina is cult?

[ObviousScum]

with the presumable leader of the group looking an awful lot like Korina.

what does this mean lol

[ObviousScum]

Minstrel do your heads wanna give us a reads list or something?

[ObviousScum]

following "true" with "truce" tsk tsk

[ObviousScum]

whisper me your wincon bae

[ObviousScum]

mmm korina I wanna know all about your wincon too

but I actually was talkin to minstrelbae there

[ObviousScum]

we managed to get minstrel to claim third party and they can be lynched immediately so all you gotta do is PM a guilty to the jury

[ObviousScum]

Our wincon is a meme.

[ObviousScum]

so you're claiming survivor in a cult game

[ObviousScum]

or you don't need to be alive when the poems are out? so you can just spam day 1 or what does "across the course of the game" mean?

[ObviousScum]

So are you denying your claim now?

[ObviousScum]

0.o

[ObviousScum]

If we have at least 100 poems spanning the game

"spanning the game" implies that they can't do all 100 poems day 1, but it doesn't matter because apparently that entire claim was a lie

[ObviousScum]

But presumably people can still roleclaim via whisper so long as they don't quote?

[ObviousScum]

the player.

dear god everyone in this game is secretly just a korina alt

[ObviousScum]

We also probably want to not guilty Minstrel since scum will likely guilty to force the lynch. And the stated reason for this trial is based on what is apparently a joke-claim.

He also hasn't claimed any significant town powers. If the slot is just a VT, then mislynching a VT and going into night before the town power structure is revealed with bad pushes can be very pro-town. Conversely, he's already retracted a joke wincon which both heads wrote a poem to sell so I don't really see this slot as town tbh

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Counterpoint 2: THE GAME JUST STARTED. JOKE CLAIMS ARE TO BE EXPECTED. Unless the claim is miller. Or that other claim as soon as possible role that I can't remember off the top of my head.

he claimed the poetry wincon after he was trialed

[ObviousScum]

We're also on page 12, so when exactly does the "it just started nothing matters" phase end guys?

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Counterpoint 3: He claimed the joke-wincon after he was trialed.

sure

but why then are you operating under the assumption that, if he was trialed simply because korina (cult) wanted him to be trialed, that he is therefore town?

[ObviousScum]

Our account was made before we got our role PM, Obum. Our theme is writing poems... come on, I was just messing around.

sure but maybe bear in mind that people will pay attention to the first claim you make after you're randomly trialed? we have to make some sort of judgment about your alignment and so far you've gone out of your way to make that harder

[ObviousScum]

I wonder if this game could be a blue print for this current game. That would be mega interesting.

- Turkey

I think we should use this game as a blueprint for this game

[ObviousScum]

didnt they literally also claim nightvig

no they said they "might" have a dayvig

[ObviousScum]

Why do you believe long day 1s are pro-town?

[ObviousScum]

It could be. But you're acting like you should, as policy, innocent Minstrel, which seems like a good way to not take a position on his alignment or take the time to sort him. Why would you prefer a continued RVS in a bastard cult game rather than evaluating the slot that you functionally have to evaluate right now?

[ObviousScum]

again, are you implying we'll get out of rvs tbh

this

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I mean, we either randomly vote to guilty or Not Guilty

why would it be random? make a choice and explain it, or ask the hydra a question

[ObviousScum]

From what I can tell, the trial required a vote to start. Meaning more then one player voted to trial Minstrel. At this point in the game I'm fairly certain there aren't any town reasons to do a trial on a player.

My point is more that we shouldn't end the day this early. If we could abstain I'd go for that but the risk of scum forcing our lynch is too high. I'm not saying Minstrel is town. I'm just saying we can't risk ending the day this early and going into day 2 when not everyone has even posted (I think. I might be wrong there.)

you do realize town wins faster games right? dicking around and making the game unreadable with a bloated RVS with a million people is wildly anti-town. you don't think minstrel is scum, fair enough, explain why, but arguing that you should waste the next day and a half arguing he should be inno'd off policy is weaksauce

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Since when is ending a day less then 24 irl hours in good for town? Please tell me that. I have a light-town read on minstrel because why in the world would multiple people have a scum read on a slot less then 24 hours after the game began.

I can point to plenty of examples of towns having day 1s that drag on that ultimately lead to scum sweeps because town gets lethargic due to the thread becoming totally unmanageable

Additionally, it's a cult bastard game, so fully solving or getting a strong poe is literally impossible. So I think arguing that we'd be better off going back to a prolonged 10+ page RVS is scummy

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Ending Day 1 within 48 hours of it starting is not a good idea, ObviousScum. The game has moved out of RVS so the Trial has served its purpose, but please stop trying to convince anyone that a 48 hour Day 1 is good for the overall health of the town.

I'm not saying we *must* end the day, I'm saying people should bother to sort the slot rather than taking innoing as a categorical necessity. Why are you indifferent to him backpedaling on a claim, joke or not? He basically joked about being a survivor/quasi-VT and now you and rauth seem to be saying to policy-inno him without really trying to sort him

Seems like we've moved out of RVS so why are you giving people permission to stall off policy?

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I stated that my reason for light-town-reading Minstrel was because I assumed scum had orchestrated the Trial.

yeah, except it's multiball, so all this trial tells us is that the slot is probably not cult. That doesn't make the slot town.

[ObviousScum]

if you’re all going to say you’re gonna inno him, this trial is a waste. Pressure him, the point of a trial is wasted if we just absolve people for being voted day one.

I agree that the trial was a waste.

if that's agreement I wonder what a disagreement would look like

[ObviousScum]

Trying to drag the gamestate into an abstract discussion of day 1 pacing policy I take as a scumclaim

Too easy to make provocative points about philosophy that have no actual bearing to the alignment of the player under consideration or anyone else

[ObviousScum]

The jury consisting of the dead cult bastard moderator/player made a bad decision?

[ObviousScum]

Saying you should give the person on trial a trial is "suicidal"?

If you act as though the trial itself is moot then the votes tell us nothing and we waste an opportunity to evaluate votes cast in stealth

[ObviousScum]

The blue text is only used when I'm acting as the game's moderator.

Are you obligated to tell the truth when acting as the game moderator?

[ObviousScum]

The jury consisting of the dead cult bastard moderator/player made a bad decision?

And probably four other players. Including the dead cult moderator, who said they didn't vote for Minstrel.

so like half the game is in the jury then?

[ObviousScum]

Saying you should give the person on trial a trial is "suicidal"?

If you act as though the trial itself is moot then the votes tell us nothing and we waste an opportunity to evaluate votes cast in stealth

dont put words in my mouth

ending day at lightspeed is the suicidal thing here
-mm

Okay and when did I say to end the day at lightspeed? While we're busy putting words into people's mouths

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I've been saying people should vote guilty if they think the slot is guilty

And that if they aren't sure they should get content from the slot that will make it readable

I think I said to vote guilty immediately after he retracted the "jokeclaim" because that backpedal was bad after they just did two posts to sell it but tbh I didn't realize simple majority would end day, I thought we were locked into 36 hours for some reason. I don't really care if people guilty him or not I just think arguing he should be inno'd off policy is dumb af

You wanna argue the philosophy of it, whatever, but I think acting like a certain amount of time must pass before the day can end makes every vote uninformative until that amount of time has passed

[ObviousScum]

If you wanna argue we should speed hammer an inno to spite korina, sure, but at that point there's no way to tell serious evaluation from virtue signalling

[ObviousScum]

The jury consisting of the dead cult bastard moderator/player made a bad decision?

And probably four other players. Including the dead cult moderator, who said they didn't vote for Minstrel.

so like half the game is in the jury then?

5 / 23 = 21.7%

Which is a lot less then half. (23 because I'm counting both Korina and chkflip as players. Although I'm not sure if chkflip is a player, so it might just be 22)

Oh I see so a jury needs 100% agreement to trial someone?

[ObviousScum]

it was an obvious joooooooooke
ur such a squareeeeeee

youd have my vote if it werent for this bloody trial
-mm

Rich that the guy arguing to policy inno someone on trial is saying I'm the square

Like you realize you're arguing to play this bastard game in the most boring manner possible right?

[ObviousScum]

yeah probably I just don't know why we decided to scream it so we don't get any townreads out of the vote

[ObviousScum]

that last line was 6 not 5

smh

[ObviousScum]

Yeah because if you loudly announce that they should be inno'd on policy then we learn literally nothing from the vote

You're acting like I was dead set on the guy getting lynched when the main thing I have said is that people should bother thinking about it before making him unlynchable

I kinda don't think korina gambits by putting his recruiter on trial in the first 24 hours just to make him unlynchable but given this was an opportunity to see who would actually vote guilty we could have gotten some actual content out of the vote, now it will probably be uninformative

[ObviousScum]

I think I'm gonna change my inno back to guilty lol

He's not even reading his top fos

[ObviousScum]

I see nothing saying we can't. Jury hasn't pm'd me back saying my last vote was invalid.

[ObviousScum]

Why not?

[ObviousScum]

Obum's a weird one. I've reread him and he's very strongly opinionated about not policy Innocenting this, which is fair enough I guess, since that defeats the entire purpose of gaining info from it. Norwee and I are obviously biased though, and we can't help but feel scum are gonna be strongly incentived to guilty this, which will tip the favour in the voting.
I think the correct play is to vote Not Guilty if you're not sure about us, or townread us, and vote Guilty if you think we're scum, but reasons would be nice.
Obum and insominia: Why are you scumreading us?

-Hectic

At the moment primarily the fact that Norwee is being overly defensive in responding to my points and misrepresented my position in a way that I don't particularly see coming from town

Your tone is a lot better "tbh"

[ObviousScum]

am I being made fun of tbh

more I feel like I can't write "tbh" without thinking of you and it feels awkward now

[ObviousScum]

Chemist feels pretty town despite the restriction. insomnia town. MM probably town after 440

I'm not sure on Rauth town but he definitely doesn't feel like CL to me. (The way he speculated about the jury makes him seem uninformed by Korina, although I'm still not sure on what all korina can or can not share with the CL.) Probably not a good day 1 even if his white knighting kinda annoyed me last night, but I can see a world where town white knights like that too I guess

I'm also slightly townleaning DEB, ceejay, and 50 judge mostly based on some minor stuff but that's a bit shakier since there's not much to work with yet. Call it gut I guess

I'm guessing scum is mostly in the people that I currently don't remember being in the game

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PeaHen has your second head started playing yet?

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Bad post

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good wall

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my role is theoretically better

Legendary?

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VOTE: insomnia

can you register this vote correctly this time

-gun

VOTE: gun

[ObviousScum]

I should have gone back to guilty

maybe min can get vigged tho, idk

[ObviousScum]

Probably changed my vote maybe 4 times total and then got a bit fed up with it

[ObviousScum]

my brain is too puny to understand insom v ico

VOTE: Obvious scum

the name says it all

this is town

[ObviousScum]

StOp pOckEtInG mE

never!

[ObviousScum]

Spoiler:

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rip

[ObviousScum]

where are you on mena?

[ObviousScum]

where are you on mena?

Was this directed at me? And do you want a read on Mena specifically or the whole slot?

yeah. whole slot

[ObviousScum]

Can you be more specific on which posts look like town-indicative solving?

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Yeah sorry I'm actually a strealth quadruple voter

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VOTE: The Fonz

Ok, think I figured out large games on D1.

I am not gonna do shit and someone just point me to who is scum.

Then the real game starts D2.

I'm not sure I townread rose for that tantrum. I don't really know why anyone would get that upset in a bastard cult game. But anyway

VOTE: doctor drew

I think this is actually the slot I'd most like to see go today

[ObviousScum]

Feel like I have a lot of town. This is a good feeling. Today's a good day.

[ObviousScum]

I'm not sure I townread rose for that tantrum. I don't really know why anyone would get that upset in a bastard cult game.

Seems like someone didn't realize what they signed up for.
Either that or it's manufactured drama.

- Norwee

Yeah it does feel a bit excessive. But ... Idk. Maybe it's working?

[ObviousScum]

0.o

Not even a pm from the mod?

[ObviousScum]

Curious...

[ObviousScum]

anyone got spicy drew meta?

[ObviousScum]

So your normal meta isn't being wildly charismatic?

Really though, maybe if you feel like he'd think you're playing off meta, that may make sense, but I have a hard time seeing someone look at this thread and going "oh yeah The Fonz is the guy I'm gonna vote rn" unless you two have some like deep history. And it's not like I think his vote on you is making you at all more readable off pressure so...

[ObviousScum]

That's fair. But why would he reach the conclusion that you're scum because you're off meta? Wouldn't you expect people to be like a ~little~ different d1 in a bastard cult game? I mean I feel like you're still visibly solving, even if you're doing so in a casual and jokey manner

Do you think wagoning ceejay will make him more readable?

[ObviousScum]

Feel like I kinda explained but I didn't much like his Fonz vote. I actually kinda liked his last few posts tho

[ObviousScum]

suggests maf + vig + sk?

[ObviousScum]

VOTE: gun

[ObviousScum]

Gose might be too subtle on who you mean

[ObviousScum]

Korina how can you dayvig while dead

Are you a zombie?

[ObviousScum]

I don't find any of those involved in the earlier argument particularly scummy, and think we ought to be lurkerhunting. I think there's probably an abnormally large concentration of scum in the "Low hanging fruit."

time for a zeebu lulz party train?

[ObviousScum]

Lulz party trains are great. Why that specific lurker?

He's been so absent that tbh I forgot he was still in the game until the prod

then again maybe he'll just be replaced at this rate

[ObviousScum]

are we allowed to talk about things the mod says in replacement thread?

[ObviousScum]

mod mentions that insomnia still needed a replacement even though he was dead for 'reasons'

strongly implies graveyard/death interactions, possibly for the same reasons that korina himself can still do his dog cult nonsense?

[ObviousScum]

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Me!

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If there's one way to revitalize a dead game, it's a lurker wagon!

VOTE: zeebu

[ObviousScum]

So FA has to include a lie in every post

[ObviousScum]

That sounds like a fun PR

Bob is scum and also trees are purple

[ObviousScum]

It's so not.

Also, your vote on gun and stance seems weird too. I take back the early tr completely. maybe another time.

I feel like I'm soulreading poly as town

And yeah my G/R stance was weird because it didn't really make sense. After the somni dayvig I was kinda like, "ehh maybe somni had a point" but I still didn't really feel good about it.

I like it when you walk back your tr on me though :3 Maybe we should get some hot and spicy scumreading action!

[ObviousScum]

lol I just realized the backup mod also gets a vote

[ObviousScum]

Let's put a smiiile on that face!

[ObviousScum]

omgus
VOTE: obvscum

id feel better about my wagon had anyone brought up that post as a reason. it was a pretty baity post

Gut scum or town, everyone on your wagon please

ranked:

ceejay
fonz
gun n rose
icon
obvscum
vault
50 judge
jackson

?

[ObviousScum]

i'll move it when im good and ready

idgaf if you move it I kinda just don't know what you're doing with it

[ObviousScum]

Hmm @korina do you often give unfun post restrictions?

[ObviousScum]

Can't talk about reads sounds unfun for everyone involved

Like significantly limit ability to discuss the game rather than just adding gimmicks

[ObviousScum]

Like can you host one or two post restrictions you came up with from previous games so I don't have to dig through every game you've hosted?

[ObviousScum]

Korina, this is outstanding trolling.

[ObviousScum]

Tinfoil: FA is the Cult Leader and she wants to make sure her early targets are successfully recruited. I urge my SCUM brothers to post "I am Town"

I am Town

[ObviousScum]

I tried to whisper korina, chkflip, and the jury and the mod straight up said no lolol

[ObviousScum]

I was told I cannot whisper to a dead player, which apparently includes the mod even though he has a vote and can dayvig people

I feel like I might be too sober right now to appreciate the mech in this game LOL

[ObviousScum]

Since when do I have a vote?

I'd say I was wrong, but actually I'm pretty sure the mod listed korina as not voting in a VC and then just edited it right now to gaslight me

[ObviousScum]

Either l-3 or l-4, 12 to lynch and I don't think korina's vote counted

[ObviousScum]

The gun and the rose hydra gives me townie vibes.

any specific posts?

[ObviousScum]

is your other head still on the site?

[ObviousScum]

I agree. I think the vote on me was better even since it seemed like a placeholder, but 50 judge on this page alone seems pretty town and voting him in response to those posts is. . .?

[ObviousScum]

*last page

[ObviousScum]

I can't believe I did that to myself lol

[ObviousScum]

there is an extradimensional dog in the house... I need to go iron the freezer

[ObviousScum]

Don't worry, cult will never figure out that I'm rolestopping you tonight, 50 Judge Powers.

Wait you didn't want to be culted right?

[ObviousScum]

VOTE: agar

[ObviousScum]

What????

[ObviousScum]

Groupscum faction was me, PeaHen, and Jake. Me and Peahen died n1 to lul veteran (ftr fonz I did not remember anything about your claim) and jake then spent most the rest of the game trying to kill korina

Anyone from the cult want to say who all was recruited by the end?

[ObviousScum]

So when the cult leader dies, Korina can continue recruiting? LMAO

This game was extra silly

Thank you for trying to recruit me though <3

[ObviousScum]

Spoiler: ObviousScum

3-Shot Strongman Strongwilled Reflexive Mafia Blackmailer Jurist

Everything Is Still A Lie v2

Welcome, ObviousScum! You are a

3-Shot Strongman Strongwilled Reflexive Mafia Blackmailer Jurist

, and aligned with

The Mafia

.

Abilities:
~ Thrice per game, you may make any kill you take impossible to prevent or to protect against.
~ Each night, you may blackmail a player, preventing them from whispering the following day.
~ Each night, you may also spy on another player, receiving all whispers sent to/from that player the following day.

Modifiers:
~ Any action you take cannot be redirected nor prevented.
~ You will passively blackmail and spy on any player who targets you.

Factional Abilities:
~ You secretly know that your partners are

PeaHen

and

Jake The Wolfy

.
~ You may find the Mafia PT here, where you may talk to your partners at any time.
~ Each night phase, you may send a member of your group to target another player in the game, attempting to kill them.

Jury Abilities:
~ You secretly know that

ceejayvinoya

,

Doctor Easy Bake

,

50 Judge Powers

and

Korina

are also Jurists.
~ All five of you know The Jury's full, truthful role PM and may collectively use the listed abilities.
~ You may find the Jurist PT here, where you may talk to the other Jurists at any time.

Game Thread:
~ The game thread may be located here.

Victory Condition:
~ You, and the

Mafia

win once

all threats to the

Mafia

are eliminated, and at least one

Mafioso

is still alive.

Please confirm you have read your role-card by

posting in the Mafia PT.