SIR Disease Mafia - Game Over!

[Auro]

Mutate: EspeciallyTheLies

[Auro]

VOTE: Auro

For not mutating _ME_

Let's just infect each other :3

[Auro]

I think Elements may be scum but I'm not so sure I should be voting there.. ?? what do you guys think

[Auro]

Or, you know, we can just be coronabuddies

Wouldn't infecting each other mean we are then coronabuddies

What if ETL/Miss Lynch is just TvT and scum Vecna is sitting back and just trying to encourage it? 34 was p odd.

Vecna/Nero Cain TvT and I encourage it!

[Auro]

ETL seems to be enjoying it

Yes actually.

I like EspeciallyTheLies

[Auro]

VOTE: No łynch

[Auro]

Where the fuck did Auro go?

Id fully expect town-him to be here and be jolly and happy alongside me. Instead he just went poof.

scumread. SCUMREAD

I was watching an episode of Never Have I Ever with a friend.
I like it, I recommend

I've been on some serial binge of serials for a few days apart from work. Westworld, The Expanse, Never Have I Ever, new Rick and Morty eps, new Billions season... lots to watch.

[Auro]

auro - seems scummy b/c contentless posts. FIVE contentless posts.

Make it 8 now!

@Miss Lynch: I watched Community years ago, it's one of my FAVORITE shows! Sadly it's not on Netflix in India right now for another rewatch.

[Auro]

Wait, what, you're actually a player in this game??? I wasn't trying to vote you. I am a pacifist.

Seems like no one pays attention to mod rules. I guess No łynch and Nero aren't buddies either.

[Auro]

Tchill out, dude.

[Auro]

Townreads on farside, EspeciallyTheLies, Miss Lynch, Vecna.

Alchemist you wanna try and explain what feels off in Vecna's tone? I find certain elements almost exactly matching his play in the last game I've seen him town in, like somewhat exaggerated reasoning to townread someone early.

This wasn't the approach I thought I would see people would take in the game though, considering it's basically a bastard cult game.

[Auro]

Oh my god, you suck. I retract my townread on EspeciallyALiar

[Auro]

Because I'm actually binging on a bunch of TV shows, don't want to expend much mental energy right now?

Sure: I've played with Miss Lynch before, skimmed her scum meta, and I believe this level of early conviction and emotion in a push is town indicative.
EspeciallyALiar for involvement, progressing the game, and pushing me when I was "buddying up" to the slot.
Vecna because he's my mason buddy.
farside for involvement, progressing the game, and familiar meta from a recent game.

[Auro]

I’m not really sure how to explain it better. It just comes off as awkward and he was a little pockety towards Nero. I’m not confident on the read but I think it’s a better vote than anyone else so far.

Oh well I wasn't reading properly anyway, sorry
I see. The pockety feelz is something he's done as town. For example,

Holy fuck.

How can ANYONE be fucking scumreading this slot?

Pearl after pearl of brilliant, solid town logic, genuine analysis.

Reeaaally got paranoid a bit of pocketing there, but yeah

[Auro]

@farside: that was sort of a contentless joke; when Nero accused Vecna of being scum sitting back and encourage it, I joked that he and Vecna are TvT and I'm explicitly sitting back encouraging it.

[Auro]

Well, that's the goal

Join me on No łynch?

[Auro]

Different heads of a mod hydra?

[Auro]

I think Elements may be scum but I'm not so sure I should be voting there.. ?? what do you guys think

Why?

This was a reaction test. Someone said they found someone else scummy but weren't sure of voting, and Miss Lynch pushed them over it. So I mimicked that behaviour to see if ML would consistently react to it, which she did.

[Auro]

Busy today, walls tomorrow!

[Auro]

Auro, if youre scum here you better infect and convert me N1 so we can continue what we started last game

I thought we had an unspoken mutual understanding of this anyway, that's what I meant when I said we infect each other if we get to

Quick question; is this a game everyone is treating dead seriously or is it a game people are kinda going to meme about and not take too seriously? Asking because it makes a difference in how much effort I put in. I kinda assumed this game was the latter and am going in with that expectation, but if it's the former I'll need to shape up and put some more work in.

oh yes, here go

one of the three

VOTE: mastina

I'm going to be treating the game similarly (i.e. not too much effort), why is this problematic?

Mastina why am I not locktown

[Auro]

Hey Saudade you were giving math exams in our last game, how did they go

[Auro]

taking* ?

[Auro]

Aww.

VOTE: Mastina

Sheeping Saudade

[Auro]

Does that apply to bastard games the same way, though?

[Auro]

The specific bastard mechanic here is non-random change in win-con. Knowledge that you may not remain with the same win-con can inform and affect your play, and it is fine for players to play as such IMO.

[Auro]

Does that apply to bastard games the same way, though?

why did u feel like this was an important question?

why did you feel THAT was an important question, mon ami?

[Auro]

I think "chat room posts" could be sortable in quite a few cases.

[Auro]

Sure, Dave, but you were implying people shouldn't treat the game as one. I think it's generally fine.

[Auro]

b/c I think scum like to debate about things that have nothing to do with the game. so the look busy while adding nothing and I sorta feel like that's what you were doing.

Also not a fan of you answering my q with another q.

Well, you were the one ranting about people not taking a cult game seriously

[Auro]

Flavor Leaf locktown.

[Auro]

Mastina, I find your ETL read problematic too.

ETL implied they love the rhetoric and argumentation in Mafia: so isn't the "manufactured tone" likely to be a product of playstyle rather than alignment? I get these attacks *all* the time regardless of alignment. How would you evaluate their progressions ans trajectories apart from that? I just can't understand why you have them as scum with that degree of confidence.

[Auro]

My excitement was shot down as “not optimal town play”

If I implied this I didn't mean to. I think the excitement is great.

[Auro]

I skimmed the first 5 pages.

ETL looks pretty townie? High post count and is ACTUALLY excited. But now they are serious.

Okay, that is my first read. GLHF.

I agree that those are generally town indicative, but to the extent where you vote someone for pushing them - Some players are excited and hyperpost as scum, no? Did you have other reasons to townread them?

the latter

Okay, thanks.

VOTE: Element

Also where was the lie in this?

[Auro]

Apologies ETL but I do indeed see merit in pushing players who react differently when pushed as town/scum, even if it's irritating.

Mastina, have you been pushing them just to observe reactions?

[Auro]

I mean, they're a player in this game (one letter is spelt differently) and it just seems like Elements interpreted "construct" that way, no?

[Auro]

Like even then, what makes it *scummy*?

[Auro]

ETL had like 25% of the posts at that point, which is VERY high for someone like them.

So you have experience with ETL that informs you?

[Auro]

If you don't catch up, you will miss my hardclaim!

A quote from the player "No łynch".

[Auro]

Okay then. Disregard 668, I misunderstood you.

[Auro]

This game just gets weirder and weirder. You have player that read as utter nonsense. Like 5g, hotoc, auro, nl.

I have been stating reads as well, why are they nonsense?
I've been responding to most questions thrown at me seriously: so why bucket me into the "nonsense" tier instead of attempting to engage?

[Auro]

I mean, feel free to try and teach me how to scumhunt be my guest

I will teach you, Saudade. Don't worry. ^_^

[Auro]

Strong townreads are: {Mastina, ETL, Miss Lynch, Nero Cain}
Nero is sheep read of Mastina.

[Auro]

VOTE: Elements

[Auro]

:3 anyone else you think I should be strongly townreading?

[Auro]

Please infect Dave

[Auro]

Yoohoo, I'm back for a while!

@Nero's question: Difference being it's Mastina, and I now have experience that informs me.

[Auro]

I'm seeing a lot of nonsense that I can't relate anything too.

You seem to be ignoring me, farside. You sure all of my posts were nonsense?

[Auro]

Please infect, Dave

Are you aware you're both implying you know I'm (currently) town?

Whoops, typo, corrected now.

[Auro]

I don't really remember your scumgame at all, it was the two towngames. I recall keeping you at "meh, fine, town" in Doubles, no?
Because I judge the reliability of this kind of Mastina meta read pretty high?

[Auro]

Kind of an arrogance

Truth be told, I find it extremely entertaining.

[Auro]

A50 seems pretty scummy.

[Auro]

Your play is a textbook playstyle that town mastina will scumread. Especially after the things you did this game.

Wait, how so? What exactly are you talking about?

[Auro]

I was voting there for the lulz

[Auro]

Sounds like you weren't reading my posts then, Nero, or failed to understand my play. I was waiting for NSG to provide content. I already had a PoE in your game and was supportive of an N_M lynch.
Waiting for NSG to give content is almost always a +town move.

[Auro]

"I'm waiting for NSG to solve to blindly sheep her!"
"I'm waiting for Yshtola to solve to blindly sheep her!"

@Nero, these were mostly jokes. If I disagreed, I'd discuss to get on the same page. If I agreed, then great. I independently townread both of them, which would make me less wary in approaching their reasoning.

Do you understand the context behind that now?

still, sheeping Mastina kinda worries me for the same reason that I was worried about you and gobble willing to sheep NSG.

How can it? Here Mastina has already offered the read and the reasoning, and it is after reading that that I am sheeping.
This is widely different from blindly promising to sheep a player onto anything.

I suppose I've seen this kinda weird reasoning from you as town so it's not outside your towngame :3

[Auro]

VOTE: Alchemist21

Waited for Vecna so I could sheep

[Auro]

Was this post a joke A50?

I take away nothing from A50's posts, and whatever humor I see there feels forced.

[Auro]

If I was scum id already be submitting my order for the coming night phase.

[Auro]

next time I roll scum im going to do nothing but sheep since scum never do that

It's called working with town. A very important quality for a town player actually, even if you have generally good reads, Nero.

[Auro]

OK there how is Elements solidly town?

[Auro]

I wonder what would happen if I threaten to tank my play if I'm infected.

[Auro]

Element is solidly town here

@Dave: 2 posts above that

[Auro]

^Voted's just faking salt at Vecna calling his posts unfunny.

[Auro]

Gosh, can someone just summarize what happened in the last few hours?

[Auro]

enough ppl have openly TR'd auro for me to be fine with that slot. I lean town there to begin with and it just seems like a general consensus atm.

After some thought I'm beginning to think it's good not to state stronger townreads? It just primes them for infection.

[Auro]

Hoctac is still memeing, Tchill

[Auro]

Pushing top scum threats isn't gonna be a priority in a cult game.

[Auro]

Pretty likely scum is in the lurkers. We should be wagoning there.

[Auro]

"traps" and "reaction tests" are kinda low tier plays

O rly?

Day infect: Nero

[Auro]

Can you summarize why Mastina is scummy, again?

[Auro]

I don't disagree about Saudade being a lurker, but I think he's a better lynch at a later day rather than today for ~reasons~.

[Auro]

Don't joke like that unless you can pull it off. Don't know if you can or not.

I like annoying Nero.

[Auro]

Bah. What will we get from it though? That’s the problem. If we’re gonna lynch a lurky person t should be one that has had other people discussing it. Otherwise we really get nothing.

Sure. Hence we wagon them to generate discussion, probably cycle through a few, and then proceed to lynch.

[Auro]

I don't think ML is a lurker, seems like they've been off site for nearly a day. They seemed pretty active to me while they were here.

[Auro]

thats hard to pull of in the right manner when the intent is already known.

Oh, there's always a chance of just "going through" with the lynch instead of cycling depending on the reactions gained.

[Auro]

Day infect: Nero

Nero Cain uses cough attack

whatcha gonna do while we both infected?

Reach parity with town

[Auro]

I don't think we're really generating any threatening wagons, though.

[Auro]

I like annoying Nero.

I'm not very annoyed. try harder.

If i remember correctly i can teach you how auro lmao.

I would love to learn. xD

VOTE: Hoctac

[Auro]

Saud actually adds value to the game and all these other players don't

wat

Some players don't project town at all, but have generally good reads. Saudade hard-projects scum as either alignment but his reads are often correct.

[Auro]

Mafia is pretty complex. People have their own playstyles and solving processes. No one has a perfect technique.
Fair as long as everyone's playing in good faith

[Auro]

If town doesn't have an infection blocker or reviver, there's a very interesting gamebreaking strategy. Noting this here so I don't forget, remind me post-game.

[Auro]

Oh, I thought I had responded the first time. I wasn't scumreading you then, I wasn't obv-town reading you either.

I engage with my strong townreads in a pushy manner sometimes too.

[Auro]

A lot of her takes are forced and over the top, and she expresses unnatural overconfidence at times.

Explain with examples, pl0x.

[Auro]

Town Auro would bank on own interpretations and not ask someone else to do the work to convince him.

And my interpretations are that ETL is town, and the allegations are fake and made up.

Thus, my asking to explain.

[Auro]

Also brushed off suspicion on another one of my scumreads Hoctac as "just meme'ing".

Oooh kay dude Hectic's big post about only being able to form a read on D4 and that's with a cop guilty, and suddenly solving on D7 is very obviously a meme.

And considering I was wagoning Hectic... Someone's not paying attention

I stated at the end of Doubles I wouldn't be sticking to that playstyle, no? Were you expecting me to tryhard this game as well? Especially considering this is a cult game?

If you're pushing a scumread on me so I don't get infected, then carry on

[Auro]

1: Solve the game Day 1 so we dont end up getting stuck in the "OMG LOOK HOW DIFF THIS SLOT IS NOW BEHAVING", which will result in way too many mislynches

2: Lynch the initial 3 scum members, hopefully strongly reducing their ability to spread the shit

3: Use whatever mechanical gimmick is available to make 50% of us immune

So? My point was that strong townreads shouldn't be stated, and how does that detract from this strat exactly?

[Auro]

Loosely, I didn't read some stuff closely, what's up

[Auro]

@Vecna: Also, as scum the whole "be nice and rational" strategy doesn't really work here because being widely townread makes it harder to justify not being infected. Mimicking my Doubles play - where I'm pushed hardly instead of hardly pushed, with a few slots like yours that defend me - that is the ideal spot to maintain as scum.

Do you doubt my scum capabilities to faking tryhardness?

[Auro]

Also, Vecna, did you assume I would follow the tryhard playstyle even as a PR?

Given I have a constraint of only appearing for a while sporadically in games (and you can see this in my sitewide activity), how do you think my play would map?

(On a side note, you could say I'm masterminding this defense expecting people to call me scummy for being defensive, thus fulfilling my scum goal. Heh)

[Auro]

Ugh Vecna is never online when I'm online

[Auro]

I'm not implying anything. I'm just surprised that Vecna has bucketed my style in such a straightforward way.

@Saudade: A50 slot, what do you think?

[Auro]

Wanna just vote there I mean?

[Auro]

is there some IC in here that I could sheep and afk all game

Yeah me

[Auro]

Just wondering if you could reply to relevant things. You might not think some things are relevant that other people do, however.

Point them out and I'll reply. I replied to the stuff in your quote wall.

I saw the term but never clarified it's meaning, what's warlocking?

[Auro]

I wonder how a jester role would be flavored in a Coronavirus game.

[Auro]

Just wondering if you could reply to relevant things. You might not think some things are relevant that other people do, however.

Point them out and I'll reply. I replied to the stuff in your quote wall.

I saw the term but never clarified it's meaning, what's warlocking?

@Quick: Still interested in this?

[Auro]

Strong townreads are: {Mastina, ETL, Miss Lynch, Nero Cain}
Nero is sheep read of Mastina.

I like your ISO quite a bit.

Obviously.

:3 anyone else you think I should be strongly townreading?

Well I'm not really sure why you were putting pressure on me when I am obvtown, but beyond that I don't really have any problems with your reads.

Answered.

:3 anyone else you think I should be strongly townreading?

Well I'm not really sure why you were putting pressure on me when I am obvtown, but beyond that I don't really have any problems with your reads.

I am just asking here but is this spicy or not that they never answered this?

Answered.

:3 anyone else you think I should be strongly townreading?

Well I'm not really sure why you were putting pressure on me when I am obvtown, but beyond that I don't really have any problems with your reads.

I am just asking here but is this spicy or not that they never answered this?

Answered.

I wonder what would happen if I threaten to tank my play if I'm infected.

Because winning doesn't matter

You required a response to this?

Bah. What will we get from it though? That’s the problem. If we’re gonna lynch a lurky person t should be one that has had other people discussing it. Otherwise we really get nothing.

Sure. Hence we wagon them to generate discussion, probably cycle through a few, and then proceed to lynch.

Well yeah but you don’t generally say that’s what you’re doing or it defeats the purpose if they know they aren’t actually getting lynched. This kinda stuff happens naturally anyway for the most part, especially on day one.

That's why we lynch worthless slots.

THUS. HOCTAC.

5G is worse. And Wolfie doesn't even have a gimmick.

But Hectic had a wagon going.

I like annoying Nero.

I'm not very annoyed. try harder.

You really are not trying very hard Nero. Are you Scum? Honest answers only.

P-Edit. Yeah, because Saud actually adds value to the game and all these other players don't.

Yeah I said I don't wanna vote Saudade.

Did Creature seriously clear himself for having a casual conversation about writing novels?

maybe?

His meta isn't as black and white as it used to be but generally posting creature=town creature. And him being inactive early on made me think he was scum. The q is does he/his scum buddy see a mini wagon on him and yells @ him to come post?

I already

shaded

that. No one picked up on it except you.

Okay...?

:3 anyone else you think I should be strongly townreading?

Well I'm not really sure why you were putting pressure on me when I am obvtown, but beyond that I don't really have any problems with your reads.

I am just asking here but is this spicy or not that they never answered this?

Okay, nvm, maybe it is just normal.

Correct.

Bah. What will we get from it though? That’s the problem. If we’re gonna lynch a lurky person t should be one that has had other people discussing it. Otherwise we really get nothing.

Sure. Hence we wagon them to generate discussion, probably cycle through a few, and then proceed to lynch.

Well yeah but you don’t generally say that’s what you’re doing or it defeats the purpose if they know they aren’t actually getting lynched. This kinda stuff happens naturally anyway for the most part, especially on day one.

That's why we lynch worthless slots.

THUS. HOCTAC.

Also brushed off suspicion on another one of my scumreads Hoctac as "just meme'ing".

Auro, noooo

I don't see Auro getting lynched at this point in the game...

Good?

VOTE: Auro

Bad?

ETL do you think ML as scum would be willing to grab the spot light and tunnel you on a semi absurd reason? do you consider that good scum play this early?

No. She's probably town.

auro - seems scummy b/c contentless posts. FIVE contentless posts.

Make it 8 now!

@Miss Lynch: I watched Community years ago, it's one of my FAVORITE shows! Sadly it's not on Netflix in India right now for another rewatch.

VOTE: Auro

Okay..?

that didnt last long.

I find it odd you immediately vote the guy I was shading then back off after a pretty quick resolution when you've already showed you can play with some real conviction.

pretty easy to come out from your suspicion it seems ETL.

I was interested in Auro because he had said absolutely nothing of an import. I wanted to get more from him. I did.

I don't want to play with conviction anymore. It doesn't do any good.

I just found it odd that i vote you, i shade someone, you vote said shade then you move on relatively quick.

Its a little weird that nobody really pushed you after the fiasco but it seems like your handling of auro will suffice for now.

UNVOTE:

Okay..?

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This was honestly a waste of time and effort dealing with multiquotes on mobile. What's your point here, Quick?

Do not quote stuff randomly and ask me why I didn't comment on them. Pen down specific questions and write them down in a numbered list!

[Auro]

Oh, I thought I had responded the first time. I wasn't scumreading you then, I wasn't obv-town reading you either.

I engage with my strong townreads in a pushy manner sometimes too.

[Auro]

I'mma need to leave in a bit for a long while, so make it QUICK!

[Auro]

What about my play seemed like I was a guy you needed to hit up?

"Ooh, this guy looks like someone I wanna hit up, let me go push him and see" no

"Oh they said something interesting I want to talk about, let me ask" yes

[Auro]

And yet you voted for me?

[Auro]

In hindsight yes, but was there a reason you laid that condition to vote?

[Auro]

Did you ever play with me on an alt? Hm

[Auro]

Ok gotta go, toodles, I'll be back D2

[Auro]

Ooh Vecna is here!
Yeah buddy I'm not going to put in a lot of effort like in that game, I have neither the time nor the inclination

[Auro]

Also, part of my play in Boon game (apart from people townreading me easily anyway) was informed by my "masonry" with Conspire. I had to have them believe I can't possibly be groupscum, and presented my intentional lurking as proof of that. :3

[Auro]

@Quick: why aren't you bothered about me "pushing" you now?

[Auro]

:3 anyone else you think I should be strongly townreading?

Well I'm not really sure why you were putting pressure on me when I am obvtown, but beyond that I don't really have any problems with your reads.

You were around when I pushed you at that point as well.
What's the difference?

[Auro]

Why does that not apply to my pushing you now?

[Auro]

It's interesting how you categorize my questions at you as "push" or "not push".

Who's voting me? Too lazy to check

[Auro]

I'm at L-1? Shit I'll claim

NK Immune Miller vig

[Auro]

Way less bothered about farside voting for that reason than Vecna pushing me over it.

[Auro]

I honestly think people pushing me is what gets me into the "pazash" mode lol.

Your reasoning. It's pointed and feels dishonest.

[Auro]

Way less bothered about farside voting for that reason than Vecna pushing me over it.

@Vecna: do you mean to say I don't feel disappointed at you pushing me? I'm surprised you don't find my saying I'm bothered by it, or very heavily questioning you in turn, as a version of disappointment.

[Auro]

I wonder how a jester role would be flavored in a Coronavirus game.

The answer is pretty obvious, right?

Homeopath?

[Auro]

What does gucchi even mean in this context, lool

[Auro]

I'll be around for a little bit more. Anything else you wanna discuss?

[Auro]

A50

[Auro]

I've been calling him scum for a while and with reasoning lol

[Auro]

Quick, lynch A50!

(Subliminal messaging ftw)

[Auro]

What content from A50 is decent?

[Auro]

What posts of his from this game qualify as decent?

[Auro]

Yes, what posts of A50 from this game qualify as decent?

[Auro]

A50....

That is a lurker with decent content and I hate that because those people are very hard to read.

Instead I would rather vote for Auro and then make up BS reasons for my vote there.

Yes, what posts of A50 from this game qualify as decent?

They are an alt right? Who was that again? Was it the one that is saying crazy things? I feel like that was the slot...

So were they decent, or crazy? Wut?

[Auro]

Yeah but is he scummy for this is what I'm wondering

[Auro]

Yeah, exactly, you'd expect scum to think a little more before answering.

[Auro]

auro, Quick doesn't know what he's doing

@ETL

[Auro]

auro, Quick doesn't know what he's doing

@ETL

That's not a fair thing to say about anyone. It looks to me like he's trying at least. Knowing what to do and how to do it are two different things. I don't expect everyone to be amazing, I only expect them to try.

I don't really feel like he's putting in any thought.

[Auro]

He's saying that instead of asking "are you going to post when you're named in thread, Creature" or something to that effect, you could/should have just said "Creature is scum" directly, I think.

[Auro]

Why? And what does that mean for you?

Low-confidence lean town.

[Auro]

His progressions in the last few pages have been bizarre

[Auro]

@Vecna: Also, as scum the whole "be nice and rational" strategy doesn't really work here because being widely townread makes it harder to justify not being infected.

If infected don't know each other or the mafia then that blows this whole idea out of the water.

Why so? Being infected will always be an independent argument, in that "you're a universal townread and therefore likely infected" can hold regardless of infected/mafia knowledge.

[Auro]

That's odd. You didn't townread me in the mini normal game we played recently, yeah?

[Auro]

The biggest wagon we have is 2 votes

[Auro]

VOTE: Almost50

oh shit

Mod, I think Vecna also voted there.

[Auro]

Sheep the brilliant player (i.e. me).

[Auro]

[Auro]

On top of that I explicitly scumread them for it

For the approach? Don't you think it was decided pregame, at least in 5G's case?

[Auro]

My contention is that 5G probably entered the game with the intent of purely memeing, from the specific gimmick and how it relates to the game theme.

How do you identify instances of "non scumhunting gimmicks" being scum?

[Auro]

Ah, so you believe it's that we have reached the point where gimmicks would also contribute, and hence they're scum for it? Hm

[Auro]

It's interesting that you feel mid D1 is that point though. I feel like it's too early to expect most gimmick/meme alts to shed it and start playing.

[Auro]

Ari: that's all you have to say? Also whatsup

[Auro]

That's a bad argument, it's very person dependent. A lot of people do OMGUS, but quite a few are nuanced enough to recognize a legitimate argument.

[Auro]

*Insert lecture about Frequentist vs Bayesian statistics*

[Auro]

Sure. Fair to ask Tchill to bring up instances of it as town.

[Auro]

Twice per game, mafia may kill any player that they choose. Aside from those two instances, mafia possess the ability to factionally infect a player and to kill an infected player each night

[Auro]

Would be kinda weird to have a double alignment change.

[Auro]

if youd like to do that be my guest but id rather not have to link you something. I totally understand the motivation its just something ive never done.

I don't see why that you've never done it should mean you don't do it now. This should be significantly easier for you to recall and retrieve than someone else.

Otherwise he'll say that since he's seen town frequently OMGUS and scum frequently avoid that, you're more likely scum for it: thoughts?

[Auro]

inb4 someone accuses Nero of "fake townslipping"

[Auro]

And no way growth can be exponential anyway.

[Auro]

You wouldn't eat a ban if you were duped by town into claiming infected, i.e. playing against your win-con but unintentionally.

[Auro]

The kills should be for the doc, I believe

[Auro]

What's your take on Mastina?

[Auro]

Why would a Mafioso EVER say what I'm saying in public??

The WIFOM, of course! To ask this exact question!

[Auro]

Why would Mafioso!Quick say what he said in public?

[Auro]

He's making up some bullshit hoping that somehow town will buy all of it?

[Auro]

He's making up some bullshit hoping that somehow town will buy all of it?

Didn't you already infect Nero?

What does that tell you about me?

[Auro]

My infecting Nero says more about Nero than it does about me..?

[Auro]

Note to self: Ask Mastina about ETL and Saudade reads further, and ETL about their reads progression on me when I wake up

[Auro]

Well, no one has ever seen Calvin and Spaceman Spiff in the same room.

[Auro]

Dave, can you recount what the obvtown tells from ETL were?
After skimming the last few pages I get the feel that their posting was planned.

[Auro]

I'm not really sure why but I am not really enjoying this game.

Because I was sleeping and not here, I get it. I'm back now ^_^

[Auro]

you cant convince me she's throwing as scum to set 2, 3 ppl up thats hard defending her?

For that you'd need her to commit to getting lynched, no? What prevents them from backing out in case people do begin to wagon that slot?

This kind of AtE often works. It's anti-town and they know it.

[Auro]

Tchill townread. But, I disagree with his arguments.

Literally

every game I've played this year I've seen "too wolfy to be a wolf" scum, self-voting AtE scum, scum bussing unnecessarily.

[Auro]

auro, Quick doesn't know what he's doing

@ETL

That's not a fair thing to say about anyone. It looks to me like he's trying at least. Knowing what to do and how to do it are two different things. I don't expect everyone to be amazing, I only expect them to try.

Good for you Hoctac. You are a worse player than every other person on the list. They should make you a trophy

Fair as long as they're not pushing you?
Also Hoctac's question about why I go from "top town" to "???" goes unanswered.

[Auro]

Well, you are applying some sort of burden of proficiency for Mastina scumreading her, so I'd like to iron this out anyway!

[Auro]

Yup

[Auro]

My point of disagreement, Tchill, is that you're saying ETL would have to be incompetent as scum to have played this way; and I'm arguing that she doesn't need to be. I don't think this put herself under any actual threat and I believe she would've changed her tune had consensus tried to lynch her.

[Auro]

Auro, you don't explain your mastina town read anywhere in your iso from what I've seen. Why are you townreading her?
What changed across the line?

Tone, energy, approach to the game (especially this), mindset match on a lot of things.

Nothing really changed across the line, I find one read problematic ≠ I scumread them.

[Auro]

I was voting there for the lulz

@Miss Lynch

[Auro]

What can I say? I'm a strange player.

[Auro]

You didn't pick up that I hadn't voted for A50 while calling him scum and for people to push him

[Auro]

A 100% read rate? You scumread me throughout that game, and it was such a bad scumread that I lynched you for it in LyLo lol

[Auro]

So you take one instance of me doing something for the lulz, when I've done a lot of lulz stuff this game, assign me the label of "strange" for it, claim I wasn't as town in one game earlier, and incorrectly claim that you read me correctly there; therefore you're comfortable calling me scum?

Good scumhunting, good scumhunting.

[Auro]

And why is that my problem? What would you think town!Auro would say in regards to Mastina vs ETL?

[Auro]

I'm sorry, bring up one game where I've incorrectly read you.

Masons v Mafia.

[Auro]

The other game I recall having experience with you in where you "caught" me was BoP mafia where there's like a 2/5 chance of being right anyway also, my partner didn't follow the final piece of strategy I laid out, which enabled you to catch us by association.

[Auro]

You can't provide anything substantial for defending a relatively decent scum read of mine

What? Seriously? I gave my case for a strong townread, you said "Sure" - if you don't think it's substantial, why not ask me to go into more detail?

Like saying "sure" and attacking me for not substantiating is

Yes, I made a major mistake in LyLo because you scumread me. I was hypertown then. You claimed I was following a strategy that's gamethrowing for scum!me, because I wanted to win with style or something.

[Auro]

And why is that my problem? What would you think town!Auro would say in regards to Mastina vs ETL?

Town!Auro doesn't say or do nothing and try to avoid responsibility, which is what you're doing.

What makes you believe I'm not taking responsibility for my Mastina defense and ETL attack?

[Auro]

yes she may find this strategy viable. Its something i personally see as a bad strat and I feel that it is overall a bad strat. Thats where the disagreement is and while I acknowledge its a possibility I'm not willing to change my mind about it.

Convince me on why it's a bad strat. She was under no threat of lynch when she played the AtE card, sitting at 4 votes.

[Auro]

1. I asked her Q's, she was off for a day and responded a few hours ago while I was asleep
2. No one asked me to explain the townread on her

Like I'm not going to explain every read of mine when I make it - I'll state my reads, and if you're interested in one of them, feel free to ask lol.

[Auro]

I think your read on her is awkward and convenient given circumstances.

Sure but I've always been townreading her.

Would you not be levying the same accusation if I had scumread Mastina and townread ETL? That definitely feels like the more convenient place to be in.

[Auro]

grabbing the spotlight d1 early for no reason on a play to AtE when its not needed makes sense how?

I see your point, but a few power players began to push her hard, no? The wagon was starting to form with Nero, Mastina, Hoctac's first serious read, etc.

[Auro]

No, I wouldn't be levying the same accusation if you town read ETL and scum read mastina.

If you town read ETL and scum read mastina, I would vote ETL no contest.

Are you saying you'd intentionally just vote whoever I'm townreading then? In which case this engagement is entirely in bad faith anyway.

Or do you mean you'd vote Mastina no contest? In which case this is arguably the more convenient position to be in

[Auro]

If it's the former than don't bother trying to engage with me, if your play here is to just oppose my reads no matter what.

[Auro]

It's like every game people keep pushing Mastina for whatever reason while she posts transparently and responds to everything. I got a lot of flak defending her in Doubles, and I probably will to some extent this game too.

This is not a convenient position lol

[Auro]

("I know nothing of people giving mastina flak")
Then your assessment of what's a convenient spot to be in is purely informed by your personal experience which is over a year old, which is not reflective of reality.

("I don't think you believe your stance on mastina")

If your argument is that I didn't call her town before, that's inaccurate - I have stated townreading her and continue doing so. Plus, I don't even need to have called her town before to call her town now; I could purely be basing my read off the Mastina v ETL content which you admit you're unable to solve.
If your argument is that I haven't "talked to her" that's inaccurate, and I've explained why.
If your argument is that I didn't

substantiate

my townread when no one ever asked me to, and you never bothered to yourself till now, then you do you; I will call it bad scumhunting technique

[Auro]

Then your assessment of what's a convenient spot to be in is purely informed by your personal experience which is over a year old, which is not reflective of reality.

Apologies, this is a bit harsh. But, I believe that in the current game context also it's less convenient to be defending Mastina considering not anyone else really seems to be.

[Auro]

It's based on the simple premise that I am in a minority defending Mastina, and being in a vocal minority is objectively less convenient than in a passive majority.

Yea I don't believe it either, so we'll be on our own ways now

[Auro]

^Doubles had scum bussing unnecessarily

[Auro]

Also, her statements that she always makes that her scum game is oh so bad is not always actually the case.

I don't at all think her scumgame is bad, but I think it's about the level of interest and energy she would put in at this stage

[Auro]

Everyone has a +

[Auro]

I would bluntly shoot down your suspicion by denying I'm doing that

I can see why you get that feeling, and you're partly correct - but my tone should be expected to differ when I'm pushing back suspicion from slots I'm strongly townreading, versus when I feel disingenuity and use the push as a springboard to scumhunt the slot pushing me (where the Socratic method is very useful). The sample size here is 2: Vecna and ML. In Vecna's case, I *did* ask him a bunch of question aimed at re-evaluation; but I assign a higher degree of criticality (and information from experience) to his reading me, and townread him. In ML's case, I both strongly townread her, and had much lesser patience to start with, thus leading to a very direct "shooting down" style of defense.

[Auro]

15. EspeciallyTheLies+

No

The * is for his scumbuddies, he forgot to remove it before posting

[Auro]

Alch, can you explain the Creature scumread?

[Auro]

So why not give him more time?

[Auro]

P(A and B) is small doesn't mean P(A|B) is zero

[Auro]

P(A and B) is small doesn't mean P(A|B) is zero

Ah, I see you are also one of them poor people that is assigned the task of lecturing bachelor statistics

No, but maybe in the distant future.

You're a lecturer? That's hella cool!

[Auro]

So why not give him more time?

@Alch

[Auro]

VOTE: Creature

Choo choo!

(Or should I say, Achoo Achoo?)