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[Dunnstral]

Rvs vote

VOTE: votato

L-1, please claim

[Dunnstral]

UNVOTE: Votato

Not really feeling this lynch. Also I think 830 is a post town makes more than scum do.

I like Cālvin and Hobbes

[Dunnstral]

^That vote is weirding me out

[Dunnstral]

[Dunnstral]

Or by typing the name right in the first place

[Dunnstral]

Why would town have janitor abilities?

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Blatant Scum

[Dunnstral]

then 1028 contradicts his unvote.

I meant actual janitors, not "janitor watcher" or whatever you are

[Dunnstral]

Dunnstral, Dr Easy Bake, Chemist, or Creature probably has scum in it.

Based on what?

[Dunnstral]

UNVOTE: Blatant Scum

I think voting in Birds and the Boys and Chem is a good call. I don't think either slot is that towny. Plus, do you think it's likely for the whole interaction to be Town vs Town? At the moment I lean no. We have 3 days though so we should probably group up at one point. I dislike both the main wagons in question.

What about the interaction makes it unlikely to be town vs town? Why do you not think either slot is towny?

[Dunnstral]

Why is a role that asks everyone else to make a list of dinosaurs mod confirmed town?

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: mastina

[Dunnstral]

No

[Dunnstral]

I feel like Mastina’s not a Day 1 lynch, especially if she is scum.

Well you're wrong

[Dunnstral]

1735 doesn't seem like a convincing case to me

[Dunnstral]

Didnt we play together a lonnnnnng time ago in a newbie?

Yeah, we did

Why are you voting Mastina right now?

1694 was some scum posting.

What of the things said about Farside on this page do you not agree with?

I don't see a case. Saying that farside is scum trying to lynch votato is not a case... there's no explanation as to how that makes farside scum, versus town - it's just saying that she's pushing votato

Saying that farside moved their vote off of me is not a case - how does that make farside scum?

Are you aware that deadline is 5 and a half hours away?

I'm here, aren't I? If there's anyone you should be concerned about, it's the numerous previously active players who entered prod range to avoid posting at deadline:



Just saying it how I see it. Isn't that a 4 person hydra too? I guess all four of them are just too busy to post.

[Dunnstral]

I realize Alyssa is a mod, I should have cropped that out

[Dunnstral]

Votecount 1.24

farside22(3)

~ jjh927(91), April Ludgate(184), votato(99)

Birds and the Boys(3)

~ Creature(139), Conspire(80), Blatant Scum(138)

votato(2)

~ mastina(35), farside22(83)

Blatant Scum(2)

~ Dr Easy Bake(33), PenguinPower(216)

mastina(1)

~ Calvin and Hobbes(79)

HoldenGolden(1)

~ Birds and the Boys(137)

Dunnstral(1)

~ Bingle(75)

Dr Easy Bake(1)

~ Clover Ebi(32)


Not Voting (3): chemist1422(24), HoldenGolden(169), Dunnstral(10)

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2020-05-11 11:45:03)

MOD REMINDERS

jjh927 needs a prod. The last post was at: 5/7/2020 10:07:00 AM which was 2 days 2 hours 54 minutes 46 seconds ago.
Creature needs a prod. The last post was at: 5/7/2020 12:33:00 PM which was 2 days 0 hours 28 minutes 46 seconds ago.

FLAVOR

Clover Evi and Bird and Boys are voting 1 person wagons
Conspire is on Birds and Boys, which is decent
Penguin is scumreading an unusually large amount of people, though his vote is on BS - not certain why, does that add up?

I think I convinced myself:

VOTE: Birds and Boys

[Dunnstral]

Dunnstral, please review BnB's activity up till their last post. Gobbles was scum in our WF game, I think his activity is much smoother here?

-Calvin

He's in prod range though

I'm looking at Bitmap's posts and I don't like them

[Dunnstral]

Turducken's actual content is decent when we talk about their larger posts, except they're strangely obsessed with lynching me in smaller posts. I can buy Gobble seeing me doing more as town as a reason for me to be suspect though. Except he then moved off of me and onto HoldenGolden by himself, which is a headscratcher.

[Dunnstral]

We have 3 days though so we should probably group up at one point. I dislike both the main wagons in question.

When are we going to group up, on day 2?

[Dunnstral]

On the other hand, a professed mechanical conflict

What is the mechanical conflict?

[Dunnstral]

Upon further review I'd prefer to lynch Votato over Mastina

[Dunnstral]

The only thing I disliked from Mastina was the last post that I pointed out, but I disliked it a lot.

Case for Votato, Dunn?

-Calvin

I don't like his push on me, farside, blatant scum

[Dunnstral]

farside22
mastina
chemist1422
votato
Clover Ebi
Dunnstral
Dr Easy Bake
Creature

Are you human or miller? Claim now or you will get lynched later.

I'm neither

[Dunnstral]

April Ludgate - has janitor ability

If I wasn't voting votato this is where I'd probably vote tho.

Mastina added to scum list.

For what? Not believing a claim that's obviously bullshit?

It's not bullshit. How and why does anyone come up with this as a claim if they didn't get it as their role PM?

Because it's a Krazy game. That's how and why.

Krazy's safeclaims are woefully inadequate for a scumteam and encourage bullshit and this reeks of being precisely that sort of bullshit, the bullshit of someone who doesn't have a real safeclaim so improvised one from scratch.

Creature scum
-Calvin

Nope! Creature's town, transparently so.

@Bingle, we could ask miller claims to post certain letters of the role who can investigate humans. What do you think?

Doesn't it make sense that scum would prob. have a safeclaim pm of a miller according to what is posted in the set up?

Krazy's safeclaims for scum tend to let scum hang out to dry a little bit. They do prevent a D1 massclaim from outing the scumteam, true enough, but beyond that they don't give the scum that level of safety, so. Scum probably don't have that information unless it's an actual part of their real role.

fine. I'm a town night 1-3 combined janitor-doctor watcher.

uh not exactly sure. From what I gather on the wiki, the janitor would be a scum role. From that plus my role PM I guess my role has something to do with being anti-janitor? I'm not exactly sure how it would work. sorry. i think the watcher ability only activates if im successful, if that helps.

i think being useless is probably correlated with being scum. You all seem to know BS much better than I, and if hes a really good player, then theres probably a method somewhere in the apparent madness. I guess this sort of confusion is why I want to wait before jumping to any conclusions about anyone. ironically, this uncertainty makes me a bit useless, so i guess im confirmed scum.

Yeah I don't see what you do in this claim. I'm pretty sure it's bullshit given my own role, so.
VOTE: Votato

I think these posts look better

[Dunnstral]

Spoiler: Me

maybe calvin and hobbes? if they want the massclaim, they can lead it right?

dunnstral also seems bloodthirsty and wanting claims. I said earlier that i didn't like the way that vote came off.

but its still too early for me to take a firm stand on anyone. im getting a feel for things.

i've repeatedly said i think its a bit early to have solid reads on people. But that said, I don't think the people asking for my reads really care about the reads, and are using them to test me. Here are some thoughts anyway.

PP: posting has been a bit strange. Some of the reactions seem forced, and he seems too eager to put pressure on me/lynch me.
conspire: i think this is where the wagon came from, and while I definitely dont townread conspire the vote wasnt opportunistic, so even if scum, this isnt the scum I'm looking for.
farside: townread her. she seems a bit fence-sitty on the wagon, both defending and attacking me, but i think its her trying to keep an open mind and remain objective. Because of our history, i townread her for that, although i suppose it could just as easily be that she is pretending to keep an open mind as scum.
april: similar to farside, but without any personal history. She gets townpoints for taking the time to read and understand my posts rather than just assume everything questionable is scummy.
dunnstral: this is probably the scummiest. first post in thread: puts someone at L-1. Second post in thread: unvotes, because he isnt "feeling this lynch". I'd say this is a good option for a wagon.
BS: we've been over this previously. the lack of contribution yet wanting to push for claims seems not town-aligned, but other people who know him better seem not to think much of it.
mastina: null
holden: seems the most opportunistic. was a late-comer to the wagon, and suddenly became very aggressive. Not sure how to interpret that alignment-wise.
im sure im missing some people here, but i went back through quite a lot of pages looking for votes.

Am I the only one who doesnt think much of Dr. Easy Bake's catch-up?

[the extent of dunnstral's remotely content posts]

Rvs vote

VOTE: votato

L-1, please claim

UNVOTE: Votato

Not really feeling this lynch. Also I think 830 is a post town makes more than scum do.

I like Cālvin and Hobbes

VOTE: Blatant Scum

^That vote is weirding me out

Why would town have janitor abilities?

no one else thinks that this ISO is worth wagoning? an "RVS vote" trying to get a claim, an unvote immediately following the claim because he suddenly "isnt feeling the lynch," then another vote without reason. 838 is a legit question i guess. then 1028 contradicts his unvote.

[the extent of dunnstral's remotely content posts]

Rvs vote

VOTE: votato

L-1, please claim

UNVOTE: Votato

Not really feeling this lynch. Also I think 830 is a post town makes more than scum do.

I like Cālvin and Hobbes

VOTE: Blatant Scum

^That vote is weirding me out

Why would town have janitor abilities?

no one else thinks that this ISO is worth wagoning? an "RVS vote" trying to get a claim, an unvote immediately following the claim because he suddenly "isnt feeling the lynch," then another vote without reason. 838 is a legit question i guess. then 1028 contradicts his unvote.

I'll ask you again, what changed from your interpretation of Dunns unvote in your reads list since the BS vote came after that read list?

Why are you presenting Dunn as this hidden gem nobody has noticed when people like Farside has brought up them before?

the null read was based on me being not confident and looking at the posts in the context of the thread on that page. the scum read was me going back and looking over dunn's iso. maybe we should be listening to farside. no one is.

am i missing something? why is chemist scum?

His reason for scumreading me keeps changing. I'm too bloodythirsty, but then I'm scum for not wanting the lynch, but then I'm scum because I haven't posted a lot, but then I'm scum because we should be listening to farside, until it's time to vote farside

Spoiler: Farside

why farside? i feel like theres actually content there, and i see it coming from a pro-town mindset. most of the reads i disagree with i just feel like there isnt much content, but that one stands out.

I have some stronger town reads. My top scum reads are PP (waiting for confirmation), dunn, and BS. Still a whole lot of people I'm having trouble figuring out. jjh and birds are my strongest townreads.

Oh yeah
UNVOTE: VOTE: Votato

You aren't allowed to not take me up on my offer to explain the PP read awhile ago just to pick it back up pages later and assimilate my reasoning on the slot as your own.

wait what? do you see the several posts i made explaining the PP read? you dont see very early in my iso the back and forth between myself and PP? i feel like this is pretty silly misrep.

*pats unicorn*
Its okay. I feel pretty sure your scum based on a lot of your wishy washy responses.

You are very lucky I'm not feeling doing my best not to tunnel you. But if that vote count turns to you, I will be there so fast.

Votato is this banter from Farside normal given your playing experience with them?

its limited experience, but yeah sure.

i dont see how anyone could be townreading BS. I also dont see how half this game can be this inactive. Apparently there is no way to get momentum for a dunnstral wagon though, so VOTE: farside. This game has too many pages to be this stagnant in terms of wagons. im confused.

It feels to me like you've been wagon hopping to whoever is attracting general thread attention at the moment (BS, then Dunnstral, then farside). Do you agree with that assessment? Which of the three do you think is most likely to flip scum?

-Hobbes

to some extent youre right. I'm OK with pretty much anything that gets us some game progression. Nothing has happened in this game in what - 30 pages? I do think BS is probably more likely to flip scum, but farside is a new wagon, so maybe theres potential for something to happen there.

C&H why do you think these wagons keep stalling? Why is the game so dead?

He doesn't even appear to be scumreading Farside - the opposite in fact, this vote is opportunistic, along with the rest of his content

I get the feeling he's against BS because BS is speaking against Votato's reads.

[Dunnstral]

Personally, I think we should lynch in this list tomorrow. And put focus there. I think scum disappearing at deadline when town can't get a lynch otherwise so they won't be pressured into voting is a very real thing.

What can we lynch today? I'm not going to be here at the very end of the deadline, I'd like to put my vote somewhere other people will vote - And I don't plan on voting myself

[Dunnstral]

I don't see how we are going to achieve a lynch in 3 hours.

[Dunnstral]

Bingle's read on me is pretty gross.

He's fine voting me because I'm in his poe pool. There's no explanation for why I'm in his poe pool. Page 60+ there's nothing better to do than vote me, apparently.

[Dunnstral]

Let's discuss who I vig tonight. ;)

-Calvin

Conspire is active on site. They're just choosing not to post in this game. Food for thought.

[Dunnstral]

Actually though: Bingle, Clover Ebi, Conspire, Dr Easy Bake, Birds and Boys, April Ludgate, Penguinpower, Votato.

That's my list, there's bound to be a lot of town in it.

[Dunnstral]

I don't want to lynch her. Not a fan of April Ludgate or Votato, not seeing the case - probably because it's based on me being scum, and I'm not.

Unrelated, but also practical thinking: She's active right now, and we'd be hard pressed to secure a lynch even with her voting with us. We need jjh and farside to be vote the same person if we want to lynch today... that's just the practical reality that I'm seeing today. Ideally, It will need to be on somebody with votes already on them. How sure are you that Birds and Boys is town?

[Dunnstral]

Mastina can be our target for the night. I don’t like that it happened right after the Farside-Dunn stuff, but i do feel Mastina has a decent chance of being scum as well.

VOTE: Dunnstral

I think the timing of his Mastina vote makes it enough for me to think he’s trying to get momentum off of him and Farside.

I think the farside/Dunnstral wagons should come together.

Upon further review, Farside only has 2 votes on her, because April abandoned the wagon - the latest votecount is not 100% up to date

[Dunnstral]

Dunnstral(3) Bingle, votato, April Ludgate
Birds and the Boys(3) Conspire, Blatant Scum, Dunnstral
farside22(2) jjh927, Creature
votato(2) mastina, farside22
Blatant Scum(2) Dr Easy Bake, PenguinPower
mastina(1) Calvin and Hobbes
HoldenGolden(1) Birds and the Boys

Dr Easy Bake(1) Clover Ebi


Not Voting (2): chemist1422, HoldenGolden

[Dunnstral]

chemist/Holden not voting is kind of awkward - I don't scumread them based on gut (and it looks like Holden meant to be back posting by now but got caught up in things)

I don't want to lynch Blatant Scum, because I think they're town

If it's not Birds and the boys, I can only really go for votato, or maybe mastina (probably not over votato though), or maybe Dr Easy Bake (but that's whatever)

VOTE: votato

[Dunnstral]

Creature, are you around?

[Dunnstral]

I mean, I'm still here and am gonna continue to still be here

If I flipped town right now, who would you suspect more?

[Dunnstral]

Credit where credit is due: PP showed up at deadline

[Dunnstral]

despite thinking we are probably town

I don't think that's the impression I gave off.

[Dunnstral]

I reconsidered you after C&H said something, sure. But that happened after.

Credit again: You showed up at deadline

[Dunnstral]

I reconsidered you after C&H said something, sure. But that happened after.

That's me reconsidering you, not my initial read.

[Dunnstral]

Do you not think I should be suspicious of you for not being here at deadline, when it means you go into prod range?

Is my thinking flawed, or are you just taking offense because I pointed the finger at you?

The mod thing was a cropping error: I knew alyssa was a mod.

Personally, I think it was Mother's Day weekend and people may have been busy,

IDK. Conspire is still posting on site, but maybe they're just too busy for this game in particular?

Don't be so quick to dismiss everything I say.

[Dunnstral]

I mean, I'm still here and am gonna continue to still be here

If I flipped town right now, who would you suspect more?

Farside still

The entirety of your case is that she's scum because of associations with me. You need to explain yourself: why is farside scum if I'm town?

[Dunnstral]

I think you should be concerned with the two people not voting tbh - and I was more talking for me specifically; not completely discounting what you're saying.

Holdens last post is that he is busy moving stuff, I'm assuming he is busier longer than expected - it sucks that we don't have his vote, but I'm putting benefit of doubt there. Chemist.... IDK, it wouldn't surprise me if he didn't know the deadline was coming up. No offense meant.

i don't think we should lynch votato fwiw

Alternatives?

[Dunnstral]

If every one of us moved to Dr Easy Bake, I think we have similar odds of lynching there as we do Votato.

Assuming jjh doesn't vote Votato, but does settle on Dr easy Bake.

His vote is notably absent here as well.

Thoughts?

[Dunnstral]

I'm going to make the call:

VOTE: Doctor Easy Bake

I think it's telling that I'm getting pushed for activity reasons and DEB isn't being talked about. *shrug*.

[Dunnstral]

Alternatively, jjh, explain why this is a bad idea. I don't understand your stated read on DEB:

Why am I scum for having little content, but DEB is town?

[Dunnstral]

Creature, are you around?

(he is)

[Dunnstral]

DEB actually having any real d1 content at all is somewhat unusual, but I have seen him do it before on an alt

This is good stuff

If he wanted to fake his town meta he would have to literally do nothing

I'll take this as reasoning for your read - I don't think meta is going to play a big part in reading his current content. I think he has a slight chance of being scum due to the way he is going under the radar. I'm going to guess that not everyone is using your meta experiences, so what is the explanations for their reads?

[Dunnstral]

We don't have time for intent anyway

[Dunnstral]

If DEB is an ostridge or a duck or something with the role supersaint wouldn't we have killed two birds with one stone?

[Dunnstral]

April you lied.

[Dunnstral]

Hey Clover, where did you go at the end of day 1?

[Dunnstral]

Bingle was 2 shot bulletproof, though, so it would take 3 kills to kill him - I doubt that's what happened, it seems more like mafia had a factional or ability strongman and used it there, or somehow disabled his passives

[Dunnstral]

Hey Clover, where did you go at the end of day 1?

What do you mean?

Why weren't you voting at deadline? You were in prod range

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: jjh927

Made it impossible to lynch Votato on day 1

after the wagon shifted he then implied that he'd vote anyone at deadline when previously he made it pretty clear he wouldn't be voting votato at all:

I'm not voting votato

I mean sure I'll hammer someone if it's actually right by deadline and we won't get a lynch otherwise, whether it's votato or someone else

(The wagon went from votato to dr easy bake between these two posts)

He clammed up hard at deadline when I started talking, offering very little

And generally scummy pushes on me and farside

[Dunnstral]

Dunnstral, why I understand that push, and I’ll even help you analyze it more in a bit, I need some help.

Please see why it is confirmed that the kill flavor’s were already changed based on Jingle’s death flavor.

I have conf info.

I essentially have another version of Blatant Scum’s role.



Also, guess who Bingle was scum reading and he happened to be the one that got janitored.

Mastina is scum.

Somebody else would have had to have made the shot strongman, somebody else could have changed the flavor of the kill, too.

I'm not seeing why Mastina is scum

[Dunnstral]

Votecount 1.12

votato(7)

~ Conspire, Calvin and Hobbes, Birds and the Boys, April Ludgate, PenguinPower, mastina, HoldenGolden

PenguinPower(1)

~ jjh927

Bingle(1)

~ votato

Blatant Scum(1)

~ Clover Ebi

Clover Ebi(1)

~ farside22


Not Voting (6): Bingle, Blatant Scum, chemist1422, Creature, Dr Easy Bake, Dunnstral

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2020-05-11 11:45:20)

Joint Mod ISO

Mastina is voting here

[Dunnstral]

It’s literally a senseless move for me to have pushed Votato like that right there. I could have just as easily given a clear,

OK

so this whole thing is Mastina’s doing, and you can tell by the way she’s been playing.

I don't know why you're scumreading Mastina in the first place

I think I wanna vote in Dunnstral/Bird/Chem today. Unless all my townreads go on Mastina than I'd join.

Scummy

[Dunnstral]

Wow Krazy mod confirming my claim there cool stuff

Pretty much yeah. Sloppy modding on his part to be honest but hey! Free conftown, I'll take it!

If jjh dies tonight then you can pretty much insta-lynch any protective PR claim because there's zero reason not to protect him. :doc:

Didn't you have almost the exact same type of role in another game and you were scum?

[Dunnstral]

Because Farside/Dunnstral contains 1-2 scum and Votato/Mastina contains 0 scum

[Dunnstral]

Dunnstral and Farside are still scum though

Just, Dunnstral more clearly than Farside now.

VOTE: Mastina

[Dunnstral]

Who NKs Blatant Scum

Somebody who wants to lynch me

[Dunnstral]

Wait why the fuck is Dunnstral one of your top 2 townreads

He isn't obvtown?

[Dunnstral]

Guess what, Calvin and Hobb was also townreading me

[Dunnstral]

It wouldn't have been possible to lynch votato: two of the flexible votes were you and votato.

[Dunnstral]

And I wouldn't have lynched DEB either lmao

That's not what you said when we were lynching DEB:

I mean sure I'll hammer someone if it's actually right by deadline and we won't get a lynch otherwise, whether it's votato or someone else

[Dunnstral]

Votecount 1.25

Dr Easy Bake(9)

~ Clover Ebi(32), Dunnstral(52), Calvin and Hobbes(111), Birds and the Boys(145), votato(111), chemist1422(29), farside22(88), Blatant Scum(155), PenguinPower(233)

-- HAMMER

farside22(2)

~ Creature(142), jjh927(118)

Dunnstral(2)

~ Bingle(82), April Ludgate(192)

votato(1)

~ mastina(37)

Blatant Scum(1)

~ Dr Easy Bake(33)

Birds and the Boys(1)

~ Conspire(80)


Not Voting (2): HoldenGolden(175), Dr Easy Bake(0)

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2020-05-11 11:45:10)

MOD REMINDERS

Conspire needs a prod. The last post was at: 5/8/2020 6:40:00 PM which was 2 days 15 hours 5 minutes 0 seconds ago.
Clover Ebi needs a prod. The last post was at: 5/8/2020 6:10:00 PM which was 2 days 15 hours 35 minutes 0 seconds ago.

Prods will be sent out; night may be extended if no response to prods.

Here's the day end votecount

Can you rearrange it so that Votato is lynched?

[Dunnstral]

Now that I think about it myself, HoldenGolden showed up right at the end too so it would have been possible - oh well. I'm pretty sure when I started shifting the wagon he wasn't around

[Dunnstral]

viewtopic.php?p=11732544#p11732544

This role compared to what jjh is claiming - it feels weird for you to be calling jjh town for it

[Dunnstral]

And I wasn't scum that game, not really--I was explicitly playing to a third party win condition, and the role was entirely revolving around said third party wincon. Not a lick of scum in that. Purely 3p there.

That's still not town

[Dunnstral]

The important part is that you've seen a similar role as not town recently, not how you played it in another game, yet you called it for sure town here without putting much thought into it

[Dunnstral]

I can still convince myself Mastina is scum here based on circumstantial game stuff, but I still feel like her posting is town.

I mean it's pretty damn obvious I'm not the one calling the shots on the scumteam.

[Dunnstral]

Votato Gore seems to be for his vig ability.

No... his vig ability should count as getting shot

His factional kill is the one with the flavor for gored

[Dunnstral]

This day feels really weird for me. I just don't see myself agreeing with a lot of things said.

Well that's because you're wrong

[Dunnstral]

Dunnstral, I am confused about your comparison of Mastina's masturbation role in Ginngie's game to JJH's role in this game. I don't see in JJH's iso where he claims that the dinosaur lists are something that trigger a win?

VOTE: JJH

- turducken

The roles aren't an exact match but I think it's similar enough to where saying jjh's role is always town and he needs protection is... bad

And I wasn't scum that game, not really--I was explicitly playing to a third party win condition, and the role was entirely revolving around said third party wincon. Not a lick of scum in that. Purely 3p there.

That's still not town

You're moving goalposts here.

Your initial point: "You as scum had a role similar to what jjh's role is, therefore you should know that role does not make him town".
I pointed out that the role in question was in fact, third party and heavily designed to be third party.
Third party roles are not scum roles.
Third party roles are, in design, much closer to town roles than they are scum roles.

Third party is not town.

[Dunnstral]

Also you literally had a factional kill that game, and there was somebody else on your team, and your team started out as the same size as the mafia team

You weren't a third party, regardless of how you played your role. And how YOU played your role doesn't matter for what YOU think jjh's dino list role here is. Calling it town because you rolled a similar role as scum but actually you played it as a third party still doesn't make sense, you're arguing things that don't matter

Why don't you show me where and why I'm wrong then?

You're going to need to be more specific than "I just don't see myself agreeing with a lot of things said."

[Dunnstral]

+scumpoints for turning it into an attack

[Dunnstral]

Hey Clover, where did you go at the end of day 1?

What do you mean?

Why weren't you voting at deadline? You were in prod range

I never got my prod. When I came to check the thread a lynch had already gone through.

Why is not getting a prod an excuse for going

into prod range

?

People normally try to avoid going into prod range in the first place. You pulled this stunt at deadline, limiting our lynch options.

I'll take that as a yes.

I'm not entertaining this

[Dunnstral]

By the way, now that I'm reminded:

Why didn't you post at deadline, Conspire?

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You're going to need to be more specific than "I just don't see myself agreeing with a lot of things said."

This implies you don't know what I'm talking about when we're talking about my reads. So you saying 'your wrong' when you have no idea what I'm talking about

is

an attack. You could also say it's you simply trying to discredit me by giving me scumpoints.

I assume you're talking about jjh being scummy, since you're voting mastina

. You pulled this stunt at deadline, limiting our lynch options.

This is a baseless assumption that you have no proof on. I wasn't here, it's simple as that.

Alright. Were you not aware that the deadline was coming up?

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What doors does Mastina open?

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*Urge to lynch Holden rises.*

I mean, how many times does scum target the same townie with their night kills in one night?

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fyi I'm pretty sure a vote for misty won't count as a vote for chemist

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Oh @Chemist

I want some from of a Readlist. Your posts for this day phase has been 4 with only two directed to the vote. The only explanation you have given for it is doubting the claim. So go further, why do you think April's claim is fake as well as giving me the read list.

okay hold on

it’s like midnight for me and I’ve barely processed any of the thread but here

{Chemist}
{PP, mastina, Dunnstral}
{Conspire, farside22, Holden}
{jjh, Birds, Clover}
{April}

this feels...pretty alright?
ask me if you want any specifics I’ll probably respond in the morning

I’m obnoxious and beautiful, but I’m not scum. And Mastina’s lack of any other reads besides strong town on JJH and Scum pushing me is a scum positioning tool.

I mean I admit other than you I am lacking in the department of scumreads but I am quite content with the number of townreads I have given the number of players in the game.

jjh, Dunnstral, farside, Conspire, and PenguinPower are definitely town, with Clover and Holden as possible town.

Given those townreads on 5(+me)+2/11 players, leaving only three players in the poe pool? Don't really need scumreads, do I? The poe pool is itself scumreads enough.

(I believe the three remaining are {April, Chemist, Bird}, right?)

I have PP, farside22, Holden, April as town right now

Clover Ebi is probably town as well

Mastina and Chemist and Bird IDK

Conspire kind of scummy

Jjh scummy

[Dunnstral]

I figured n1 was best given April and Votato were trying to confirm something and I didn't want either of them to claim blocked.

Wait, did you make all night actions unable to be blocked, or just night kills?

The role strongman only refers to killing actions

[Dunnstral]

Do you have any reason to scumread JJH that isn't about his deadline stuff?

I think the deadline stuff is a pretty significant portion of the game.

[Dunnstral]

The people who I am scumreading seem to be gravitating towards lynching Chemist, and I'm not convinced that it's not just because he's the easiest vote

[Dunnstral]

On this site, Strongman always refers to the role that alters kills to be unable to be blocked by any means.

The role that prevents other abilities from being redirected/roleblocked is known as Strong-Willed.

Strong-Willed is not to be confused with Strongman. <---- that's what it says on the wiki

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Hey look me and Dunnstral have the same townreads! Can you try and get me your read on Chemist and Bird? I'm pretty sure they have scum in them.

IDK though, chemist isn't giving much to work with but I see people I don't like voting there

[Dunnstral]

How do you guys feel about claiming animal flavor? We know that somebody is drowning people

[Dunnstral]

Communication, Compromise, Commitment, and Chemist lynch

[Dunnstral]

It would be foolish to lynch Chemist, IMO

[Dunnstral]

Because he has a cop action tonight, and I believe his claim in the setup

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I mean, you guys argued against lynching Votato because he claimed janitor watcher and you wanted to see night actions. Are we really going to lynch "cop"?

I think his role fits in with the power of the setup - you're the only real confirmable town role so far, right?

[Dunnstral]

Chemists claimed targets are a little weird, to be fair. Why target me if you townread me anyway?

[Dunnstral]

choice paralysis

That's something I say

[Dunnstral]

You shouldn't act so high and mighty when the reason you're being voted is your own bad play

[Dunnstral]

That's not the reason I'm being voted

Unfortunately, you do not get to decide the reason that you are being voted

[Dunnstral]

Who do you think is mafia?

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Votecount 3.4

jjh927(3)

~ Dunnstral(46), farside22(35), Clover Ebi(42)

Chemist1422(2)

~ Conspire(17), April Ludgate(57)

Conspire(1)

~ Birds and the Boys(27)

April Ludgate(1)

~ mastina(21)


Not Voting (2): jjh927(63), Chemist1422(24)

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Day 3 deadline is in (expired on 2020-05-23 18:18:39)

Penguin and Holden are also alive and in the not voting area

[Dunnstral]

between bird, you, mastina and conspire

Exact same list I'm working with right now

[Dunnstral]

I'll be here

[Dunnstral]

Do you think he's town penguin?

[Dunnstral]

Chemist were you roleblocked or do you have a result?

[Dunnstral]

I agree with mass claim

[Dunnstral]

So you're claiming that you automatically die at the end of this day phase?

[Dunnstral]

What night did you follow Birds?

[Dunnstral]

I made everyone ninja last night you can relax. Was just waiting for your claim just to make sure April.

Your night actions have been really anti town this game

[Dunnstral]

I want Mastina to claim their roles & actions

[Dunnstral]

What was your oracle, again?

[Dunnstral]

Strongman N1
Oracle N2
Ninja N3

What kind of an animal is this..?

[Dunnstral]

I'm not sure what "last game" is referring to

[Dunnstral]

Hmm, does a Birds/Mastina/Clover team make sense?

If you assume that Clover is scum, the reason for townreading Holden is gone as well

[Dunnstral]

“Flips may include kill flavor. While this may suggest the role behind the kill, some killing roles may be able to obscure or change their flavor. “

This actually might confirm Holden as scum because there’s been no occurrence of this?

@Holden - can you change your flavor?

Uh, remember when you tracked votato to someone who got drowned?

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I’m aware. But why is Holden “shot”

Because Votato's role for the kill was vigilante, and we can assume the kill flavor for vigilante is 'shot'

And holden who claims to be vigilante also has that flavor claimed, i believe

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Yeah ok, I'll just go ahead and claim then:

I'm a natural neighborizor - I can neighborize people who are natural animals

Night 1 I neighborized penguin and that's what he was talking about here:

I only know that you targeted me because you said so. I only know this other person did because of their role.

Night 2 I neighborized birds and the boys, and both of those actions were successful

Night 3 I tried to neighborize Chemist but my action failed. Which is... really weird, since they're the one claiming roleblocked, and we know that the mafia don't have an alien type role because April saw farside getting roleblocked before

So... I'm thinking they might be scum, either lying about their animal or lying about being roleblocked. Or something unexplained messed with me

[Dunnstral]

I don't really think farside needs to claim their role today in any case; I'd like to know who mastina targeted night 3

[Dunnstral]

Don't pile on votes yet

[Dunnstral]

I have figured out that mastina is an alignment. Just haven't narrowed down which one yet.

Is this role information?

You should out this information

[Dunnstral]

Setting aside Birds for a moment, do you think Chemist is scum due to my role action, or no?

[Dunnstral]

Notably, there's never a situation where I'm mafia but Chemist is town here

I just want to make sure my result means something or if there are alternate explanations

[Dunnstral]

@Dunn - target Clover tonight.

Alright

[Dunnstral]

Do it, I'll use the nightly fractional kill on you than since its allowed to be used on scum.

Mafia fractional kp:

Never seen anyone else consistently misspeak factional as "fractional" except for Clover Ebi. Does this mean you've been influenced by them in a scum pt?

No seriously, this is kind of sketching me out. I don't think this is a common error to make.

[Dunnstral]

Mastina can be a roleblocker

Chemist can be a role that changes flavor to drowning and sends aquatic messages to players

Or maybe I'm wrong on chemist and there's another reason my action failed - but what? Because he know mafia don't have an alien, again, because of april seeing the roleblock on farside

[Dunnstral]

I think this game ends if we mislynch today. I just have a feeling.

I don't think mafia has any additional kp after the vigilante + town lovers

[Dunnstral]

@Dunnstral - Blatant Scum had a Commuter Cop. I think Clover used a commute action last night which is why Chemist didn’t get a result.

But my ability failed on Chemist.

[Dunnstral]

Chemist is the commuter, isn't he? He's a dolphin that sends out aquatic messages, changes role flavor to drowning, and dips into the water to commute

Like a mafia joat

[Dunnstral]

Why would scum rolestop chemist, though

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I don’t believe the Ninja claim.

Well let's think about it:

One mafia is making the kills appear as "drowned"
We can assume the same mafia is performing the kills

We assume a separate mafia is roleblocking people

So for Bird to be scum in your "ninja is fake" scenario he'd have to be the 1 mafia doing nothing - not even commuting, to my knowledge, since that gives you a different message. You're claiming you did get a result, and that it's that they went nowhere, right? Not 'no result'?

[Dunnstral]

At worse there is 2 missing KP.

highly doubt it

[Dunnstral]

It's not necessary right now April

[Dunnstral]

Communication, Compromise, Commitment, and Chemist lynch

Who do you think is mafia, again?

[Dunnstral]

Do you guys think Birds role + Chemists role is too much investigative power in the setup together, or no?

[Dunnstral]

I think it's either Chemist/Mastina or Birds for scum

[Dunnstral]

It was only today that I realized we should have targeted a miller to "prime" our night 1 shot and see if people shared an alignment with a miller.

You could have done the same thing with PenguinPower.

[Dunnstral]

I don't think Bird and Chemist' claimed roles can both exist for town

[Dunnstral]

Everyone is in the same pt

The first post of my pt is a list of all players in the pt, and it gets updated when people are added, so there's no "hiding" in the pt either

[Dunnstral]

So you did Penguin, then bird and tried to do chemist correct?

Correct

[Dunnstral]

I am uncertain. I'm leaning towards chemist, because of my action failing

[Dunnstral]

But Mastina and my role can not exist as town together I'm sure of that considering my last action. It would also make lynching Birds stupid. So I think I vote Mastina here and sit confused on who the last scum could be.

How confident are you on this

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We've literally thought Chemist was scum the entire day. And you can't exactly push the cop under the guise of also being a cop without drawing some major question marks.
I have a hard time understanding why your thinking about our play is so shallow, Farside.

i lost interest in this game long ago. Barely read a thing.

I just came in here to say mastina is town.

thats all

~fire

:thinkingemoji:

[Dunnstral]

Who do you think the scum are then?

[Dunnstral]

Based on your own night actions it shouldn't be possible for it to be me and miss lynch. Also, there are 3 scum remaining

[Dunnstral]

So you've been thinking that chemist + mastina are town, and miss lynch is scum?

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Bitmap/Oka/Firebringer think Chemist and Mastina are scum.
I think Miss Lynch is scum.

We are at an impasse.

What was this then? Gobbles was lying?

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okay i haven't read this game at all yet but as the protagonist I need to make an entrance in act 1 so we can do cool things in act 2 and 3 without seeming like a deus ex machina

-oka #1

anyways I have a pretty sick way to catch scum on d1 if you guys need my help

algorithm says its chemist1422

alright cya in 2 weeks

-oka #2

now i haven;t really been paying attention to this game but everyone seems to be chill and happy so ill let you be

-okapoka

Are these Okapoka's only posts?

How can he think anything about Mastina/Chemist, let alone think that they're both scum? What is he basing his read off of?

[Dunnstral]

Holden/Dunnstral/Chemist

Also not an option since Birds says Chemist and Mastina are the same alignment

[Dunnstral]

I doubt that Birds and Chemist are both scum.

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Mastina

This makes the most sense to me

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Well, they suspected Clover Ebi for 3rd scum in the pt

This confirms Chemist as mafia, and Miss Lynch as town

I targeted Clover Ebi last night; they were not added to my pt

Clover Ebi, what was your night 4 action?

[Dunnstral]

You are amphibious, and can be affected by actions that would target both land-based and water-based animals

Have we seen this modifier before?

[Dunnstral]

*actually, Clover Ebi WAS added to my pt.

[Dunnstral]

Does mastina being a doctor point towards Holden being town?

[Dunnstral]

Chemist is the commuter, isn't he? He's a dolphin that sends out aquatic messages, changes role flavor to drowning, and dips into the water to commute

Like a mafia joat

Considering Chemist claimed to be an Owl I feel if Chemist does flip as a dolphin this is extremely bad for Dunnstral.

It was a guess

[Dunnstral]

What do you think of my poe?

I don't agree with it

[Dunnstral]

Because it's not me and I don't think it's April

[Dunnstral]

Not necessary, I'd like to hear if Miss Lynch is a roleblocker and see Chemist's role first

[Dunnstral]

Clover Ebi, what was your night 4 action?

Don't have one. I was thinking the mafia might roleblock or target me over birds. I saw no downside in trying to be a little cheeky :giggle:

[Dunnstral]

My flavor is soft confirmed from the name of my pt (I'm an Elephant)

If Chemist is the one drowning people it will be interesting to see what the kill flavor is after.

[Dunnstral]

I've come to the conclusion that I'm townreading April + Farside the most, and Holden's role makes a lot of sense as town here, which makes me think Clover is the last mafia

[Dunnstral]

Miss Lynch being a roleblocker would be significant due to being able to potentially stop the mafia kill, or at the very least show us who didn't perform the kill

[Dunnstral]

Ninja doesn't get through roleblock; Strongman would

[Dunnstral]

Is there a way we can use the bus driver role to our advantage in that case as well?

To make it harder to hit Miss Lynch

[Dunnstral]

For what it's worth, I voted Votato to l-1 on day 1 and he ended up being a mafia vigilante janitor. And I had a push on him going at the end of the day too, before I switched to dr easy bake

[Dunnstral]

Hmm, clover didn't really have a reason to announce their Ninja or Strongman roles though, and that could have caused a lot of confusion

[Dunnstral]

My flavor is soft confirmed from the name of my pt (I'm an Elephant)

If Chemist is the one drowning people it will be interesting to see what the kill flavor is after.

[Dunnstral]

To be fair, your oracle information was pretty worthless

[Dunnstral]

And multiple players could confirm Penguin as friendly neighbor, so that part isn't important. And your role doesn't counter the janitor, either

[Dunnstral]

What is story tell reads?

[Dunnstral]

Why did you tell me to target Clover? Which I did

[Dunnstral]

So I was for real roleblocked night 4

[Dunnstral]

April Ludgate, I am an Elephant

[Dunnstral]

I'm not scum because I wasn't awake when farside was shot and I wouldn't have shot farside

I'd argue you would have; they were probably bus driving you and someone else

[Dunnstral]

I can still convince myself Mastina is scum here based on circumstantial game stuff, but I still feel like her posting is town.

I mean it's pretty damn obvious I'm not the one calling the shots on the scumteam.

Dunn, you look so scummy on a read through of Day 2.

Also come on

[Dunnstral]

Elephants don't drown people

[Dunnstral]

So you guys think my role is:

Neighborize someone every night
Change someone elses kill flavor to drowning
Roleblock farside on night 2

[Dunnstral]

Yeah, i think scum is confirmed in your hood, which just means we don’t have to worry about Miss godfather being an issue. Farside stated Birds was one of the two people she bus drove, which means Birds was roleblocked, then it got directed back at Dunnstral, which is why Chemist didn’t get put in your neighborhood.

This means Possible ScumDunn roleblocked himself, hilarious.

But the kill flavor was drowned. If you believe that that is an active ability, it would have dropped off there if it is as you say

[Dunnstral]

So you guys think my role is:

Neighborize someone every night
Change someone elses kill flavor to drowning
Roleblock farside on night 2

And on top of this I'd have to be able to fake my neighborhood flavor as well

[Dunnstral]

Scum!dunn would of also been able to recite a fake result list if he wanted as well, but choose to let the info go to the town.

Wouldn't this have outed someone in the neighborhood as scum? What day did Birds claim that?

It wasn't possible for me to do that; what happened was birds claimed it the same day they claimed the day 4 suicidal thing in thread, but they claimed it to me ahead of time

[Dunnstral]

I've only been defending myself today though, just saying

[Dunnstral]

I’m gonna be mislynched in 3p anyways, Clover, if you aren’t scum

Nobody thinks you are scum

[Dunnstral]

*Except clover, apparently

[Dunnstral]

I think there would be too much going on with Clover's role for them to be scum, actually

[Dunnstral]

As mentioned, I don't think Clover makes sense as scum because their role would have too many things going on.

The strongman, oracle, and ninja are all confirmed

On top of that, they turned their partners kill flavor to 'drowned' every night

And they roleblocked farside n2, and me night 4

With that in mind...

VOTE: HoldenGolden

[Dunnstral]

How do we know that Birds and I were bus driven with each other?

[Dunnstral]

Why do we think birds was targeted with a roleblock instead of me?

[Dunnstral]

Why do we think birds was targeted with a roleblock instead of me?

are you not reading? because he claimed in your neighborhood...that's literally why ive been saying I dont believe miss is a godfather

The only people in the neighborhood at the time were penguinpower, them, and me

[Dunnstral]

What is hard to fake?

[Dunnstral]

Boy you sure sound confident in me being scum

[Dunnstral]

Boy you sure sound confident in me being scum

:) Seems like I was correct.

no

[Dunnstral]

Because Farside/Dunnstral contains 1-2 scum and Votato/Mastina contains 0 scum