Mushroom Kingdom Mafia (Game over!)

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Hey I'm here. I'll just post what I think about the current page and then start from the beginning. In agreeance that No-lynch is a bad idea. I also don't like sidney's vote and justification, although I could see newb town making that post.

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Check again. He only has 100 posts. And his sig implies that he's a bad player. There is a possibility that it is all some master plan to make himself look like a newb while not actually being one. But it seems like a lot of work for a ploy that would only work for one game (and even then would still draw scrutiny) and that could be easily deflated by any meta-ing.

And if he isn't a newb then don't you think he'd know better than to make a post like that?

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I ignored much of Pg 1-6 but I do like SSF's and armlx's play.

@ everyone: Is there anything of significance in these pages that I've overlooked?

134: a post by sydeney. An early BW vote. Doesn't seem to be much thought behind it.

137: TSN - I actually don't find this suspicious seeing as how I've identified SSF as pro-town.

138: sydeney Jumps off a BW and makes his own on TSN. This post seems townish. We can see that Syd is loose with his vote (uses it for pressure) and that he is paying attention to the game rather than simply parking a vote.

147, 151: I completely agree that it is weird that TSN would make such assumptions.

149: Seems kind of townish in that TSN looks like he's trying to work out the setup.

158: farside seems townish for same reason.

205: Pheobus looks very townish for reasons I think are pretty obvious.

215: Don't like this post. For the opposite reasons of why I think many of the above are protown, I think this post screams "I don't really care what happens today and I'm going to put myself in a position where I can vote anyone."

237:

MAJOR FOS: iamausername

Do you not know why peach being kidnapped would suck? Can't believe no one pointed this out.

Surye's play certainly seems pro-town. But it could be scum trying to piggyback off of Gimbo's apparent townness. Surye's item-exchange posts are the first posts that he makes in 10 pages. He hasn't voted or scum-hunted but seems keen on looking like he's helping town. Kind of suspicious to me.

269: sideney again. I don't like this post. 131 posts between his last and this is all he has to say? Plus there's the fact that he refrained from voting which seems different from his M.O. Did he FoS simply because the people above him did? Is this simply sheep-town or something less innocent?

Pg 13-14: Inactive players making short posts. Sigh, I guess they can't all be scum.

Pg 15: mr. incrediball's posts make me happy.

Post 397: Heh Rogue seems to have forgotten where his vote was. From what I can see, RS voted for popular and then for TSN. He never voted for cream correct?

Post 544: sydeney again. Sounds like a big lie to me.

569: sydeney unvotes after realizing that no one is on the BW he created. Him sticking with his vote for so long may be a town-tell.

I'm labeling sydeney as a newb. More newb-town than newb-scum imo. I think a lot of his play can be described as newb-sheep but I like the fact that he made an original post against TSN and stuck with the vote for so long. He didn't develop a strong case but I'm thinking we shouldn't expect that from him.

I've ignored Gimbo's shenanigans seeing as how he's semi-confirmed.

Anyways I'm 99% certain I will be voting iamausername.

@ iamausername: Do you not know why peach being kidnapped would suck?

@ Rogue: Help me out, when did you vote for cream?

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Hmm I guess I'm alone on this. The entire debate about whether Peach was a game mechanic sounded odd to me. Now that I'm looking back it's Phoebus' post 234 that's setting off the bells. I'm reading the townie PM and I'm finding that post 234 doesn't sound like a post a player who read the town PM would make.

In 237 iamausername quite correctly points out rule 25, a rule which is prominent in the townie PM but is nestled away on the front page. The reason why I thought he was alarming at first was because he was involved in a debate which I thought had an obvious answer.

The theory I'm pushing is that Phoebus was not clear on the Peach situation because rule 25 was not featured prominently in his PM.

Only one way to check:

@ People with a townie PM: Did your PM ever suggest to you that Peach was anything but an actual player?

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Forget my posts regarding Phoebus. Post 205 shows that he was aware of rule 25.

As I see it...whatever mechanic might cause Peach to get kidnapped - most likely Bowser "looking for her" - ends the game in sudden death the next day if we don't know who kidnapped her.
This particular mechanic makes me a little skittish but for now, I'd trust Lawrence to know what he's doing...

OK so my most suspicious player is now popular with post 215. I'll dig up more stuff later. I'm not seeing the reasons behind cream's or FL's lynch. I'll have to look back for those two too - unless someone wants to sum up the cases against them.

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Lol no you weren't.

I think the Phoebus wagon is crap. Of the people on it I'd say I find killa seven the worst. Which parts of Phoebus' post are BS?

Give Phoebus a little more credit, he wouldn't bother trying to fish for Peach. I don't think anyone would.

ashmite sounds a little more earnest in his comments. I'm ignoring RBT for now.

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LOL wait. Riceballtail is so much more scummy than Rogue Shenanigans...

NL just for reactions? Please.

Unvote, Vote Riceballtail

Is exactly the scummy reaction I was looking for.

Part of me wants to vote for you too. If I was a little tougher on LAL I would. If I wasn't meta-ing you I would. TBH I don't know exactly what you were expecting from your "gambit" (I'm thinking you just wanted to sound cool after making such a lame post). It's pretty much always going to be "I disagree" or "You're scummy". If anyone ever said "I agree", congratulations, you just caught yourself a newbie.

@ RBT: Would it really be surprising to you if townies didn't like your "trap" and wanted to vote for you?

And Gimbo, you seriously play like a jester. Cream raises a good point I think, and I believe an RS wagon is way better than a Phoebus or RBT.

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Sounds like a lie:

For those who aren't aware, I was reaction fishing with my NL vote.

because:

I'm thinking you just wanted to sound cool after making such a lame post

But I can buy RBT making a fail trap.

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Hmm just looked at the wiki. You're right. I just heard the term and made up my own definition.

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K.

Unvote, Vote: Rogue

@ Rogue: Explain this post -

Like many here I don't see the case on cream. I bandwagoned purely to see reactions.

Unvote

To who or what is the second sentence referring to?

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Hey RS, try being pro-town and reply to post 729. While you're at it, an explanation of your vote history would be nice.

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Hey RS. You're not holding an item right now right?

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I can do an item confirm with RBT right now.

Give RBT poisonous mushroom

Now give it back.

My item is exactly what it sounds like. If anyone uses it they die. I can give it to someone by just calling it a "mushroom".

The problem is I cannot figure out a way to use this item. It clogs up my item slot and if I give it to someone who I think is scum as a "regular mushroom", people will say "Why would you give a scummy-looking player a mushroom? If I straight out call it a poisonous mushroom, no scum would use it.

So I've decided to use it to help un/confirm RBT.

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And now we wait for the Mod. If what you're saying is true then I shouldn't get anything back.

Mod: Can we get a vote count?

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Hey while you're here, can you explain why cream is scummy?

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While I'm waiting for that,

Unvote, Vote: Killa Seven

Of the people on the (bad) Phoebus wagon, I think his vote sounds the most disingenuous.

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Ok well I remember the Gimbo vote and frankly I would have done the same thing. I'm not entirely sure what the rest of your vote refers to. Can anyone refer me to a specific post? 30 page thread FTL.

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EBWOP: vote = post

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??? After reading all the above you decide to vote RBT?

Mod edit:
Visible votecount:
Riceballtail (5): skitzer, Gimbo, TheSweatpantsNinja, Alabaska J, somestrangeflea
Cream147 (4): sideney, Riceballtail, armlx, farside22
Rogue Shenanigans (2): iamausername, mr. incrediball
Phoebus (3): ashmite84, killa seven, Rogue Shenanigans
FaerieLord (1): Surye
Alabaska J (1): populartajo
killa seven (2): Phoebus, goborage

No lynch (1): malthusis

Not voting (5): andersonw, Cream147, FaerieLord, Celebloki, DragonsofSummer

With 24 alive it takes 13 real votes to lynch. Deadline: June 25th. At deadline, it takes 7 real votes to lynch.

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Holy crap, I never noticed that before. Thanks, I won't vote for you today Alabaska J.

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The biggest point against cream is his vote on Gimbo, which I would have done myself. People are calling him out on making an L-15? vote for a scummy looking guy. I wouldn't call that opportunistic. He's also being called out on not meta-ing Gimbo. I'm betting that 3/4 players on MS never meta so I'm filing that under null-tell. Besides, SSF obv did not meta either when he made his attack but he's not under scrutiny.

I'm not a fan of Cream's 27 or any meta-defense for that matter but I don't have any strong alignment read on it.

Cream's 28 & 47 seem townish to me.

What I would like is some actual scum-hunting from cream but I could say that about 1/2 of the people in this game.

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vote farside

word

unvote vote cream

Mind sharing your thoughts on why you made these votes?

Phoebus question definately does not sound like the words of someone who got the townie PM,

Hahaha!
And what exactly is the townie PM?
Are you role fishing?


Are there even any specific non townies?
For all I know - there's the mafia, a bunch of toads who can buy powers and that's it.
Even Peach might be a mechanic from where I sit...

You are right clueless, you are.

What exactly have I said or.. rather... not said that's so evil and scumbaggy?

unvote vote phoebus

this is scummy as hell. and half of what you just said is B.S

phoebus wrote.
"For all I know - there's the mafia, a bunch of toads who can buy powers and that's it."
sounds very much like scum fishing for power town roles.

phoebus wrote
"Even Peach might be a mechanic from where I sit..."

again sounds like your fishing to find peach.

I don't like this post. K7 throws a lot of scummy inflections on Phoebus' words without giving the Phoebus any room to reply. Things like "You are scummy" and "This is BS". He doesn't even seem to want a reply. K7's post just seems like an easy way to park a vote.

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@ armlx: You really shouldn't have nipped the Gimbo wagon in the bud then. I'm pretty sure you would have caught at least 5 other scum.

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Lol. Your post makes you look scummy.

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Gimbo are you going to argue with Surye about the reveal?

Atm I'm siding with Surye.

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Pop has zero value? Does that mean he can't use items?

Mod edit:
Visible votecount:
Riceballtail (1): skitzer
Gimbo (1): Riceballtail
Surye (1): somestrangeflea
somestrangeflea (2): Gimbo, armlx
Cream147 (1): Alabaska J

Not voting (17): iamausername, Phoebus, sideney, Surye, killa seven, Gremwell, mr. incrediball, TheSweatpantsNinja, Alabaska J, farside22, andersonw, malthusis, FaerieLord, Cream147, Korts, ashmite84, goborage

With 22 alive it takes 12 real votes to lynch.

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I think pop is already at 8. Are we planning on making everyone give pop a coin? I can see the merit in the idea as it would take coins away from scum.

Mod: Is there a cap on the number of coins a player can have?

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Well pop has at least 8 coins already. I share Alabaska's concerns. If everyone gives all their coins then we are helping to direct NKs (ie anywhere but pop). This of course assumes that a non-item NK exists. Another danger is the previously brought up possibility of a scum coin stealing technique.

If neither of these scenarios exist then mass-coin pooling seems like a good idea. But for some reason I think the mod would have prepared measures against such a strat.

In short, I think 8 coins a day is plenty. But maybe we can shift around which players give on each day so that the same 8 aren't stuck with a chore.

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That's a pretty good point ash. RS was a big voter and on pretty much every wagon other than cream's.

Vote: cream

I think someone else said this but I'll ask just to be sure.

RBT, are you a piranha plant?

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Read between the lines. It wasn't a question that I expected to be answered seriously. I just felt that some doubt should be thrown RBT's way.

Looking back:

Claim time I guess...

Yoshi - I get no items, no coins, and no vote (ever, and no you can't give them to me, they become forfeit when anything is in my possession). At night I can attempt to eat a scum. If I hit a scum, they don't get a vote the next day. I am town.

The idea is that I am nothing without Mario/Luigi, and therefore my vote has no meaning. My night choice is called "Swallow", which is very fitting based on that's what Yoshi has done in almost every game appearance.

Does anyone think this sounds like a retcon? I really regret not asking for the flavour when he claimed earlier.

@ RBT: Is there any other flavour in your PM?

Regarding my vote on cream: No I didn't think he was particularly scummy yesterday but ash brought up a good point, a point good enough to warrant a vote.

@ All the nay-sayers: RS's actions don't seem strange to you?

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Unvote

Lol are you suggesting that RBT's power is cop-like?

Was it based on this?

I ate Gimbo. He was tasty. He would have been notified if his vote counted for naught today. The way he has been acting, I'm fairly convinced he's the most anti-town townie in the game. I can't confirm it until he's on a lynch-wagon, however.

I assumed this was RBT's flavour and not a game mechanic. RBT can you confirm? Was "tasty" a mod-creation or your own?

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K7 huh? I like.

Vote: K7

@ K7: What do you think of Phoebus?

Mod: Can you prod Phoebus?

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@ K7: Why is your vote still on cream?

As for the other wagons, I don't see the case against Alabaska but I could vote for the one on incred.

Mod edit
Visible votecount:
mr. incrediball (7): iamausername, Gremwell, populartajo, Alabaska J, Syzygy, Thesweatpantsninja, farside22
iamausername (2): somestrangeflea, Cream147
ashmite84 (2): Korts, Lord Gurgi
Cream147 (1): killa seven
somestrangeflea (1): Armlx
killa seven (1): goborage
Alabaska J (1): Riceballtail

Not voting (8): Phoebus, andersonw, DarlaBlueEyes, FaerieLord, Surye, skitzer, mr. incrediball, ashmite84

With 23 alive it takes 12 real votes to lynch.
Deadline: July 27, 9 PM GMT

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Give one coin to popular.

Coin-pool ahoy!

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Just re-read. I'm confused. Why do we believe K7? Has anyone considered the possibility that he's lying? It's either him or the mod and my experience is that the mod does not lie. If K7 is scum, it is a perfect play. It gets town to stop hunting for the kidnapper and wraps up the game after the mislynch.

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I wish I could give but being kidnapped means I have no coins and no (real) vote.

Try anyways. Anyways, if K7 and FL are off the block who are we looking at?

Btw I don't support an ashmite lynch.

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^ The world would explode. Wasn't I town a few days ago RBT? What changed since then?