Grand Idea GPick [Game Over]

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snap into a
slim jim.

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Nobody gonna say

"oh YEAH!"

??

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Roy G. Biv?

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Ok Bye.

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VOTE: Two Votes One Girl

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I love you all. Kindness is real. Be kind. It helps.

Ok Bye

Now 4 realz.

C U L8R

Crocodile.

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jesus fuckin christ.

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RQS Time

Seriously, RVS went straight into setup spec mode. I guess I'm partially to blame. Let's get the scumhunting ball rolling with some questions.

1) Are you town or not town?
2) Why did you sign up for this game?
3) What's your favorite alignment and why?
4) What's your favorite color?
5) Who would you lynch right now if you could autolynch someone and why?
6) What is another question that you would like to ask everyone else in this game?

1) Always & 4-Eva
2) Pretty sure I've never played a Pick game like this. I've wanted do a few times but my game load was always too big.
3) Alignment doesn't matter, I like being a PGO.
4) Is this where I crumb my card color?
5) You, for calling me out on TOO MUCH activity on page 1.
6) VCA in this game? Good or bad?

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yes.

Why haven't you answered the RQS yet?

What's your take on my #6?

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It might be a crumb, but it's otherwise completely useless.

VCA is a crumb? From who, mod?

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jesus fuckin christ.

Spoiler:

I don't know much but I do know your avatar is from the real video.

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yes.

Why haven't you answered the RQS yet?

What’s RQS?

Random Questions Stage, see Post 53 for the questions.

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I may have overlooked something and I get there is a high chance of multiball in this game, but is multiball confirmed?

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Doctor Drew is looking like a good lynch.

Wouldn't it be more suspect if he didn't look like a good lynch?

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[The vote was RVS.]
[However, he feels like he's trying too hard to go with the flow, and I don't like the timing of his popins.]

Looking at his iso, I can see the absence of content, though it's early yet. I don't see how timing is relevant when there's no pressure.

Why is everyone already ISOing so much. Where is the fruitful banter that brings us all together. Then someone can self vote and we all lose our shit over it and hate each other for the rest of the game.

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Doctor Drew is looking like a good lynch.

Wouldn't it be more suspect if he didn't look like a good lynch?

What do you mean by this?

Drew looking like a good lynch is NAI, at this point in the game even more so.

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VOTE: Quick

L-1 notice.

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VOTE: ManateeDude

Simple enough. Too obvious. Nothing genuine here.

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Quick you got some explaining to do along with the people quickhammering

Dont think TSE quickhammers and draws FoS as scum here

This thought changed quick.

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Quick you got some explaining to do along with the people quickhammering

Dont think TSE quickhammers and draws FoS as scum here

This thought changed quick.

The first statement doesnt suggest a scumread?

The 1st statement implies a FoS at the least in my eyes.

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VOTE: ManateeDude

Simple enough. Too obvious. Nothing genuine here.

if im reading this right youre voting me for thinking out loud bc I dont think thats inherently scummy

I'm not boting you for thinking out loud, I'm voting you because you give me the vibe of scum thinking out loud.

You are writing typical things that could be placed at the start of any day in any game.

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Quick you got some explaining to do along with the people quickhammering

Dont think TSE quickhammers and draws FoS as scum here

This thought changed quick.

The first statement doesnt suggest a scumread?

The 1st statement implies a FoS at the least in my eyes.

and like I said I dont think TSE draws FoS here as town. Me saying an explanation is might imply FoS but the second statement explained why that didnt matter

When I say "FENCE"
Y'all say "SITTING"

"FENCE!"

....

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More stuff is happening: Pregame, I got a green card, but now I have a yellow card too. As far as I know, I'm still town, and it was right at the beginning of N1, so any recruitment-like night actions couldn't have happened yet.

Did anyone else get another card?

Yup.

Also think Quick is lying and I'm going to say scum based on something that I got this morning.
But I'm pretty sure when you see player lynch proff at flip that isn't 1x, maybe wrong but I'm not going to be testing that theory right now.

TSE: Why did you hammer without a claim?

I Hammered because I was bored and thought I’d goof around.
Not the greatest idea but I was like “oooo I can hammer!”
I don’t think I was 100% at the time lol.

Don't worry about it. I'm pretty sure that if Quick is to believed and didn't know about the lynchproof then I think the lynchproof was for ALL lynches on D1. That could also explain the lack of a NK.

I'm just glad its out of the way. I mean we can always try to lynch qquick again to see if the lynchproof still applies.

Hey, I'm convincing my self here.

VOTE: Quick

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Woah. I don't think I have ever been on the same wave length as Titus. This is thrilling yet frightening.

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Woah. I don't think I have ever been on the same wave length as Titus. This is thrilling yet frightening.

Have we played together before? I don't recall you.

You must have missed my alt slip.

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[Is anyone going to respond to my boring vote?]
[I think I might have something there.]

Ohhh. Interesting. Worth finding out.

Can you give us a link to the card role from the list?

VOTE: Boring

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You're right. No green card possible.

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VOTE: Chateau Lobby

their whole iso is just a mess of non-commital votes and reads

if im reading this right youre voting me for thinking out loud bc I dont think thats inherently scummy

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VOTE: Chateau Lobby

their whole iso is just a mess of non-commital votes and reads

if im reading this right youre voting me for thinking out loud bc I dont think thats inherently scummy

I'm not boting you for thinking out loud, I'm voting you because you give me the vibe of scum thinking out loud.

You are writing typical things that could be placed at the start of any day in any game.

Now you have to vote Quick and then Boring. And then we are square.

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The scumreads on me are weak. convince me otherwise

Who are your scum reads other then titus and why?

Like I said about chateau earlier I think his iso reads as non comittal and he clearly appears to be very oppurtunistic hopping from vote to vote without fleshing out strong explanations behind them. Putting Quick at L-1 was another thing I certainly didnt like and overall his play hasnt been towny.

Titus is less of a fleshed out read but his desire not to claim still doesnt sit right with me, like even if playing as confirmed town may be stressful as it would be for any player being confirmed town ALWAYS is beneficial to the confirmed player.

Players I like less but wouldnt vote yet include Two Girls one Vote and Doctor Drew

My reads are non-committal I guess. Because I didn't really care about the D1 lynch. Today we have a BLATANT liar and regardless if that is NAI it needs to be addressed.

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Quick, did the mod inform you of your role?

Ofc not. I am playing without knowing my role, obviously.

/s

Well with all the ignorance you are claiming, it is a fair question.

What do you want, 10 million dollars?

i......I dont even get the.....joke?

I think you won because you figured him out.

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I did a quick search for lynchproof through the role listings and basically all Lynchproof roles were 1 shot. The mafia jester lynchproof role would not have ended the day so we can scratch that.


VOTE: Quick

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I did a quick search for lynchproof through the role listings and basically all Lynchproof roles were 1 shot. The mafia jester lynchproof role would not have ended the day so we can scratch that.


VOTE: Quick

Do you understand the concept of the Grand Idea thread?

I... think... so...

But you asking has me questioning myself.

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I did a quick search for lynchproof through the role listings and basically all Lynchproof roles were 1 shot. The mafia jester lynchproof role would not have ended the day so we can scratch that.


VOTE: Quick

Is there a reason you are not reading the game?

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I did a quick search for lynchproof through the role listings and basically all Lynchproof roles were 1 shot. The mafia jester lynchproof role would not have ended the day so we can scratch that.


VOTE: Quick

Is there a reason you are not reading the game?

So that would be a no? O, you are ignoring my claim or you don't believe?

Just say what you want and stop trying to bait me.

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But quick was Lynchproof, not deathproof.

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But quick was Lynchproof, not deathproof.

I just asked the mod about this. He said that he would've written the lynch scene the same whether Quick was lynchproof or deathproof.

So it boils down to Quick should be lynched again.

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That does not logically follow.

Sure it does. It solves the quick and possibly the farside slot.

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{Ircher}
{farside22, Chemist1422}
{boring, Doctor Drew, Battle Mage}
{hellbooks, Iconeum} --- NULL/NEUTRAL LINE
{Saladman27, Titus, Hoctac}
{TrueSoulEnergy, Pigman}
{Two Girls One Vote, ManateeDude}

3rd Party: {Quick, Chateau Lobby}

I guess I can live with your 3p read. At least you don't falsely SR me.

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Also lynching Quick is 100% a no-go.

So if I am deducing correctly are you going with me as your preferred lynch? I don't know if you have the gall for that.

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Where did I say I that? (Hint: No where.)

Good. Because

I know

that

you know

that I am town.

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I am starting to really like this Manatee dude.

I don't mind the fact that he SRs me but what irks me a little is that he is SRing me for basically playing the same style as he is. The only difference is that I may be loose with my vote but he is stubborn. He say I want to not "commit" but he is over "commiting"


Both of those styles can be seen as opposing strategies with the same effect. Look like

WE

are active but basically we are both skating by and pointing fingers at each other.

There is a case for both of us scum if you look at it like that. But

we

I am town.

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VOTE: Battle Mage

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Hoctac

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VOTE: ManateeDude

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VOTE: Chateau Lobby

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Ircher

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VOTE: Titus

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VOTE: boring

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VOTE: TrueSoulEnergy

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UNVOTE:

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sorry mod. But I just can't commit to a vote. They are all just so damn good.

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Should I ask questions likle?

What does that mean?

And then get grilled because my follow-up is subpar.


If you all want to lynch me then fine. But this bamboozling thing is weak.

BTW, the next person to vote me is CONFTOWN!

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tl;dr:
- put a player at L-1 in a game which likely starts without town majority. doesnt once mention the player he placed at L-1 before placing the vote and when placing the vote doesnt make a comment as to why hes voting.
- easily votes whichever player is under scrutiny and seems unable to develop his own reads besides a vote on me based on very flimsy reasoning that he quickly dropped upon finding a more palpable target
- generally doesnt seem to be paying attention to the thread and doesnt note important details
- early game had some moments that could easily be read as oppurtunistic scum looking for towncred such as asking very simple questions that I initially townread before analyzing

All of these comments from Man about me are also totally NAI.

Total projection.

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Manatee comments are like all those old Trump tweets about Obama.

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Should I ask questions likle?

What does that mean?

And then get grilled because my follow-up is subpar.


If you all want to lynch me then fine. But this bamboozling thing is weak.

BTW, the next person to vote me is CONFTOWN!

Oooo do you have a modifier that confirms me as publicly reveals me as Town if I Vote you first?
That’d be quite nice RN tbh.

Maybe we can all lynch Drew together.

VOTE: Chateau Lobby

Activate Loyal IC: TSE

If and only if mod confirms this, you are town. If mod doesn't confirm this then my loyal failed and you are not town.

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@Manateedude

How many successful wagons on scum have you started? Can you please point to examples.

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@Manateedude

How many successful wagons on scum have you started? Can you please point to examples.

I havent played in a very long time as I've said and before that my wim was slowly dropping. Possibly zero but you gotta start somewhere

I think and I mean no disrespect, but confbias seems to be fueling your read on me.

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VOTE: Two Girls One Vote

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At this point I'm ready for this day to be over I quite honestly don't care about the details

You are know my sheep buddy, plus not a bad idea to make the competing wagons to be even to hopefully make something happen.

VOTE: Chateau

Drew think about what you are doing? You know I'm not scum here.

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Someone in {Iconeum, Ircher, Chateau Lobby, Titus, Pigman} should summarize their girls case and someone in {ManateeDude, boring, farside22, Doctor Drew, Quick} should summarize the CL case.
.

Well I don't want to be lynched so I will of course vote the competing wagon. I've already stated where I'd like to lynch today but to no avail and pushing those slots is what got me SR in the first place. Thanks Mannatee.

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My reason for voting Château is
a) the way in which he placed Quick at L-1 yesterday. He voted very rapidly after I did. This is a bastard game and there's no reason to believe someone wouldn't lol-hammer (which happened). I think town half as reasonable as hes pretending to be would have given a "hey I'm going to L-1, do we have anything left to process?"

This is a bastard game so putting someone at L-2 and there's no reason to believe someone won't lol L-1 or lol hammer.

Do you get how this argument is flawed?

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Also the only player that CL seems to want to push is Quick and says nothing about anyone else soooooo....????

What would you like to know, Master?

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CL, I assume you are an alt of someone I have experience with, why should I know you are town here? Maybe point me to a game we have played together and I can compare.

Did everyone really miss my alt/main slip? Well then.

I still have ZILCH problemas with lynching Quick. If it ends game then so be it.

But here are my other lynch candidates.

Boring - Because of the

LIE

Manatee - Because he was pushing me earlier for reasons that he is also guilty of.

Drew - I only want to lynch here if he finds out my main and still wants to vote me.

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if anyone wants to engage over something let me know

WRT Quick and Boring:

Do you like to lynch 3Ps or lairs?

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EBWOP

lairs = liars

Lairs are also good lynches btw.

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what's the case on CL?

I have non comittal reads. Which is also what you have too. But I don't SR you for it and neither does Manatee.

Which is weird because AGAIN we have Manatee contradicting himself.

And I'm the non commital one.

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I am beginning to think maybe I should move over to CL. BM's vote is bothering me. It could be a bus, and slots like Quick moved away from CL.

Be careful, or you might get a SR from Manatee with this type of non-committal votes.

But the fact that our brains were in sync for a little bit meant the world to me.

Please reconsider.

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VOTE: Hellbooks

Lynching Chateau here is a waste of time.

See.

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Can someone explain exactly what everyone means by "3rd party".. or more specifically why it matters that someone is 3rd party rather than scum? If they don't share the Town wincon, does it really matter what kind of not-town someone is?

3p make lylo a day earlier but mostly do not need to be lynched for a town win.

There are two trains of thought with sks. Killing them reduces the job, but they also necessarily need to kill group scum to win. Lynch preference order is therefore cult with recruiter>mafia/ww~=sk>alien/replicant>cult w/out recruiter.

3p hunting is a classical scumtell.

Anti-Town role

hunting is not a scum tell. At least that's how I see it.

I get the point that a scum lynch is better than a 3p lynch, but a 3p lynch is better than a mislynch. Maybe my view on it is just too "simplistic" but I really don't care.

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In total I now have these cards:

1x Yellow
and
2x Red

Also, Ircher, why can't I be 3p anymore?

What is all this about loverizations. I'm no genius but wouldn't that mean that we would have 2 deaths?

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I think I'm playing a totally different game here than everyone else. I thought ircher was our only obvtown?

Also, I thought people would be wanting to lynch me today because my wagon fell through yesterday... Glad I don't have to defend myself again. So I need to re-read in offensive mode so I can make a stupid statement that mantatee will use against me.

I'm lost.

But I will find my way back.... WAY BACK!!

WAY

BACK!

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what makes Ircher obvtown to you, CL?

That the vibe I have got from his slot. Also I feel that everyone else has treated that slot with a sort of towny-respect up until today.

Ircher is probably the most active in terms of the post count. That player typically always ends up as town. But that brings us to the old-fashioned argument of correlation/causation which in the ends piles up to a big pile of bullshit and doesn't mean jack.

Maybe I am just being to superficial this game but my bastard-esque game experience is on the lower side.

My mood atm wrt this game:

Spoiler:

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Main thing would be the way Bingle's pushing the card claiming. It's not a great strategy; it's a huge waste of space, time, and effort; and it gives him a way to look busy without actually doing much. His primary scumread is on me because Bingle subscribes to the theory that anyone who thinks Bingle's ideas with regards to the cards is wrong is scum trying to keep town from abusing it when in reality, it's not really abusable at all, and most of the effects directly benefit scum anyway.

Okay. I think I'm grasping your train of thought. How is this very different from your D1 claim that we should share our page numbers?
And what exactly does "abusable by town" mean?

Oh now I get the SRs on ircher. I guess IRcher's bracket ranking things are also "gives him a way to look busy without actually doing much."

And no, I haven't done much this game either so maybe I shouldn't judge ircher on this but it feels like it (again) "gives him a way to [SR Bingle] without actually doing much.

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VOTE: Ircher

Ircher seems defeated. Not much else I can say. town!ircher wouldn't be so resigned imo but I don't have much experience there but I am just comparing with early game Ircher vs. ircher now.

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I do have my doubts I guess about Ircher but I can say that about anyone. I was TRing that slot and maybe the votes coming in from all lover the place made me doubt that townread.

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also i'm a town 1shot friendly neighbourizer who targeted Ircher on N1

we share a PT in which I am mod-confirmed town to ircher

Is it in your role PM that you will be mod-confirmed or did something else happen?

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from all lover the place

was this intentional or not?

No, unfortunately I'm usually not that clever. Typos and grammar mistakes are my middle name.

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friendly neighbour

Oh, I confused friendly neighbor with friendly neighborizer. Or are they the same.

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regardless I don't think you can lie about being mod-confirmed though.

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regardless I don't think you can lie about being mod-confirmed though.

it's a mix-up between neighbourizer AND friendly neighbour. Also a 1-shot.

Actually, just read p.66 number 1648

Got it.

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I'm still alive! Just had a busy weekend but tomorrow I'll get caught up.

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I read over the last couple RL nights. No big write up but chateau is my biggest scumread and I have a tow pile of about 5

How original.

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[Chateau is still a minor suspect for me. could be scum faking third party]

Oh man. Another person thinks I'm 3p. Where do people get this from?

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Wait, we have like 3 conftowns? Have I read this right?

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What happened to her town read on Ircher?
Do you know?

I tried to figure that out as well yesterday. But everyone was resigned to lynching that slot. I still don't get it.

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[you helped lynch him, you know!]

I know. But I still didn't get the switcheroo from alot of people on that slot. Sometimes its best to consolidate with others, sometimes its not.

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Can I pick your next loverizing targets? Pretty please?

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VOTE: Looker

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The Porkens wagons feels more towny filled but the Looker wagon has more votes.

Quantity over quality right now I guess.

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this game is so lost on me can someone debrief me

Did you forget about me? I thought I was your only desire.

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things that don't add up:

From what I gather so far, I think that's the entire point of these Grand Idea games.

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The Porkens wagons feels more towny filled but the Looker wagon has more votes.

Quantity over quality right now I guess.

This is scummy as shit too.

What would you have me do?

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can we just lynch starbuck today?

she's refusing ANY kind of cooperation in the love PT, not even a bit of smooching!
absolutely terrible iso

stalling a lot

in the best of cases this slot goes late game and we are stuck with it and not a way to solve it

Wouldn't that mean that you would also die? Is she worth dying for? This is super weird. But weird is sometimes good. Maybe you are right.

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[cuz she thought mafia would kill the conftown, therefore it would also knock out Starbucks in a non lynching manner]

Does that make her conftown as well then?

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Haven't we got past the wanting to lynch me part?

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Just tell me where to vote and I will vote there. This message applies to anyone who cares.

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If anyone expects me to be the one to figure this game out, I appreciate the confidence but its all shooting in the dark fmpov.

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Haven't we got past the wanting to lynch me part?

[it was more about seeing if you'd claim. Will you?]

[i just want to lynch an unverifiable claim today. Someone who could feasibly be the mafia card dealer and is scummy enough to fit the bill]

I theoretically would claim, yes.

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I theoretically would claim, yes.

[Seeing as we're two days til deadline, would you being willing to do that now? I can finish off my role claim collection if you did. Plus if it's verifiable we can go on and lynch Looker or Manatee and i wont bother u anymore]

It's better if I don't. Can you just trust me on this?

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[is scum not killing for any reason in particular..? I can think of perhaps maybe they're worried Titus will loverize them with the kill, but

come onnn

you really gotta take some risks here as scum id think]

Maybe scum is just getting one-upped here.

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[You know i really thought scum had killed earlier this game, for some reason. i was.. incorrect]

Can you give me a refresher on the other 2 NKs, Were both already attributed to someone?

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Ok I was roleblocked, good to know.

I lied about rolling through alien reroll sympathizer. I was alien fishing. I initially thought I caught one with hellbooks. But then she claimed role cop.

Now I understand why hellbooks was herself looking for aliens: she knew they are in the game.

And this, I believe, is the alien: viewtopic.php?p=6318346#p6318346

VOTE: titus

:thorface:

Yeah....
Pretty sure Titus and Bingle are scum together.

VOTE: Titus

Does titus bus here as scum? It doesn't seem like her style to me. But I can't recall is titus ever bussed as scum in our previous games together.

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If scum is on the hellbrooks wagon it has to be within the last few slots to vote there once the lynch became inevitable. Titus was position way too early on that wagon imo to be scum.

Morning Tweet, Porkens, ManateeDude. Thats the hellbrooks L-2, L-1- and hammer.

Hellbrooks was parked on porkens which also sets off a red flag.

Why aren't we lynching porkens instead?

Maybe we can convince titus to loverize herself with someone to kinda "leash" her?

VOTE: Porkens

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Is everyone just blindly trusting the word of a the dead scum? How do we even know aliens exists in this game?

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Is everyone just blindly trusting the word of a the dead scum? How do we even know aliens exists in this game?

There is no non-alien pheromone seeder.

So titus claimed a role that doesn't exist?

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then how do you explain all the people CONFIRMING being loverized?

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Searching the role list thread with "seeder", I only found the Alien Pheromone Seeder role.

Did Titus claim that or just that she loverizes people

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Oh there’s an alien pheromone seeder (but I think you know thaaat)

What is this supposed to me?

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mean*

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You think I'm lovers with Titus ?

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[quo

Correct me if I’m wrong chateau, but this is the first time you’ve cared about anything h Th is game, right?

Well, I started off the game in a better mood I guess you could say. But I have had a lot of difficulty in staying focused and up to date with everything in this game.

Just the idea behind this setup has me doubting everything. Roles, alignments, etc...

I'm just trying to play my part the best way I can. But in what world would anyone claim alien flat out like that without some proper reasoning behind it.

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@porkens
Am I allowed to care about this game or does that make me scum again?

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I hate to ask another question thats probably been answered but how do we know that scum only has 1 NK?

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@porkens
Am I allowed to care about this game or does that make me scum again?

I know this is at Porkens, but I'd appreciate some contribution from you.

Right now I'm just flabbergasted that people are just trusting the words of the dead scum and other theories that say scum has 1 NK.

N1 was weird all around with the lynchproof etc. So something like that could explain the no N1 kill.

N2 and N3 there were kills.

N4 was another NK but maybe that can be explained by OTHER factors. i.e. roleblocks, protectives etc...

Looking at HB's role pm, there is nothing that indicates a 1-shot scum nk.

Then the only lead on "Aliens" is from the dead scum who apparently knows all roles and I personally would not be surprised if thats pure scum led WIFOM.

So what does that leave us with to go on?

VCA seems like a nice jumping off point. VCA points solely towards scum!porkens but VCA is not very reliable either so who knows.

[Chateau Lobby]

Explain your vca

Your positioning on the HB wagon is what flags me. Manatee's hammer could very well be a scum move too.

[Chateau Lobby]

Explain how the positioning flagged you?

I'm just ASSUMING that HB's buddies are more likely to jump on the wagon on the latter half when the lynch becomes inevitable.

Or course that type of reasoning can be considered WIFOM but what isn't WIFOM in this game?

A mechanical approach isn't even plausible in this setup so we need to test all waters (i.e. VCA, vibes, associations, etc) at least until we get something more substantial to work with

[Chateau Lobby]

I'm just ASSUMING that HB's buddies are more likely to jump on the wagon on the latter half when the lynch becomes inevitable.

I'm also assuming some didn't even join.

Exactly. But do you think the entire HB wagon is made of town? It seems like an easier place to look for clues compared to looking off the wagon.

Of course looking off the wagon later on can be beneficial once we have sorted who is who ON the HB wagon.

[Chateau Lobby]

hellbooks (7) - farside22, Starbuck, Titus, TrueSoulEnergy, Morning Tweet, Porkens, ManateeDude

[LYNCH!]

[/b]

farside22, Starbuck, Titus, TrueSoulEnergy, Morning Tweet, Porkens, ManateeDude

Let's just play that the wagon is arranged in order from Town to Scum.

That leave us with something like this:

farside22

,

Starbuck, Titus,

TrueSoulEnergy

,

Morning Tweet, Porkens, ManateeDude

I'd say out of these 7, scum has a more probable chance to be on the end.

Morning Tweet, Porkens, ManateeDude

Rinse and Repeat:

Morning Tweet

,

Porkens

,

ManateeDude

But Manatee is the only red... why not vote there?

Well let me answer that:

Porkens is the ? here.

If Porkens is scum, nice move on to the next.

If Porkens is town, then Manatee is probably scum based on this VCA alone.

If Porkens AND Manatee flip town.

We get our GG with scum!MT

Does that make sense?

[Chateau Lobby]

I get SR for "caring" about the game and then when i get asked to contribute and contribute my thoughts I get SR for it.

I got a PM at day start that said I can only use my ability once more.


So its looking like MT might have been the one to use that on me since he "knew" my role and now he "doesn't".

Trying to defend me just for S&G.

[Chateau Lobby]

Probably more than 1 scum on the end of that HB wagon.

[Chateau Lobby]

[I don't know what your role is, i just turned it into one shot. It doesn't tell me what it is. I chose you because you were off hellbooks' wagon]

[you wanna know what i thought you were? here:]

[is scum not killing for any reason in particular..? I can think of perhaps maybe they're worried Titus will loverize them with the kill, but

come onnn

you really gotta take some risks here as scum id think]

Maybe scum is just getting one-upped here.

[i thought this was a soft that you were behind it. so i checked grand idea, and sure enough:]

Town Factional Kill Limiter

While you are alive, all factions with factional night kills are limited to one night kill. (This is similar to how the Alien factional kill works except the restriction only applies while the Limiter is alive.)
---
Any suggestions for a better name?

[1 scum NK. You saying it's best if you don't claim. the "soft". it made a lot of sense and now im sad that it isn't true]

You did pick up on something, you just landed in the wrong place.

[Chateau Lobby]

VOTE: ManateeDude

I'll play ball but I still get the feeling I'm being manipulated somehow.

[Chateau Lobby]

I guess I can claim now since it will be asked of me sooner than later. And besides last night was the last night that I could have used my ability since I got the ability restriction yesterday.

I am Town Shielder

Targets:
N1: Drew
N2: Titus
N3: Titus
N4: BM
N5: Bingle

Not sure what happened last night but I should have protected Bingle.

[Chateau Lobby]

Quick (9) -

Titus

, farside22,

hellbooks

,

Battle Mage

,

Ircher

,

Doctor Drew

, boring (porkens), Chateau Lobby, TrueSoulEnergy [LYNCH!]

Two Girls One Vote (9) - Iconeum, Chateau Lobby,

Titus

, Pigman (looker),

Battle Mage

,

ManateeDude

,

Doctor Drew

, Chemist1422(MT),

Ircher

[LYNCH!]

Ircher (7) -

Titus

, boring (pork), farside22,

Doctor Drew

,

ManateeDude

, Chateau Lobby,

Ircher

[LYNCH!]

hellbooks (7) - farside22,

Starbuck, Titus,

TrueSoulEnergy, Morning Tweet, Porkens,

ManateeDude

[LYNCH!]

ManateeDude (7) -

Battle Mage

, Porkens, Chateau Lobby, farside22, Morning Tweet,

Starbuck, Titus

[LYNCH!]

[Chateau Lobby]

I just made all anti town factions red for ease on the eyes

[Chateau Lobby]

So titus loverized starbuck and battlemage? You h oh maybe they redscum made contact with the aliens somehow

How do you know this? You seem to always be pretty confident in assumptions. Wasn't it just yesterday you proclaimed me to be scum with titus???

[Chateau Lobby]

Why do I get the feeling that people are trusting Porkens?

Why doesn't anyone else seem to be sus of that slot?

[Chateau Lobby]

Looking at that quick wagon... Is it possible that TSE knew that lynch would fail so they had no problem with hammering their scum buddy?

[Chateau Lobby]

page number claim, CL?

Pg 178, nothing special about the number, I just picked it on the fly.

[Chateau Lobby]

I guess I can claim now since it will be asked of me sooner than later. And besides last night was the last night that I could have used my ability since I got the ability restriction yesterday.

I am Town Shielder

Targets:
N1: Drew
N2: Titus
N3: Titus
N4: BM
N5: Bingle

Not sure what happened last night but I should have protected Bingle.

Why would you not protect the player that is confirmed town?

Who are you referring to?

[Chateau Lobby]

that would be me

the confirmed town

I is confuse.

What does your role have to do with Bingle?

[Chateau Lobby]

why do you wish you protected Bingle, the flipped NON-town?

I don't mean for it top be interpreted as I am sad that Bingle died. I am more curious as to how the kill on Bingle was successful and negating the protect.

[Chateau Lobby]

What? You are contradicting yourself here. You lament that you didn’t save him but wonder why your save didn’t work?

There is a reason my protect didn't work, I was wondering why that was. Regardless of Bingle's alignment.

FTR, I understand it is good that it didn't work but still the question of why remains.

[Chateau Lobby]

Quick (9) -

Titus

, farside22,

hellbooks

,

Battle Mage

,

Ircher

,

Doctor Drew

, boring (porkens), Chateau Lobby, TrueSoulEnergy [LYNCH!]

Two Girls One Vote (9) - Iconeum, Chateau Lobby,

Titus

, Pigman (looker),

Battle Mage

,

ManateeDude

,

Doctor Drew

, Chemist1422(MT),

Ircher

[LYNCH!]

Ircher (7) -

Titus

, boring (pork), farside22,

Doctor Drew

,

ManateeDude

, Chateau Lobby,

Ircher

[LYNCH!]

hellbooks (7) - farside22,

Starbuck, Titus,

TrueSoulEnergy, Morning Tweet, Porkens,

ManateeDude

[LYNCH!]

ManateeDude (7) -

Battle Mage

, Porkens, Chateau Lobby, farside22, Morning Tweet,

Starbuck, Titus

[LYNCH!]

So what your showing us here is you were on every lynch with hellbooks except hers.

Or that TSE on both of the scum lynches. TSE and MT are pining me the most when I compare all lynch VCAs. Porkens is still sus to me.

TSE, MT, and Pork in that order for my preferred lynch order.

[Chateau Lobby]

VOTE: TrueSoulEnergy

[Chateau Lobby]

Quick (9) -

Titus

, farside22,

hellbooks

,

Battle Mage

,

Ircher

,

Doctor Drew

, boring (porkens), Chateau Lobby, TrueSoulEnergy [LYNCH!]

Two Girls One Vote (9) - Iconeum, Chateau Lobby,

Titus

, Pigman (looker),

Battle Mage

,

ManateeDude

,

Doctor Drew

, Chemist1422(MT),

Ircher

[LYNCH!]

Ircher (7) -

Titus

, boring (pork), farside22,

Doctor Drew

,

ManateeDude

, Chateau Lobby,

Ircher

[LYNCH!]

hellbooks (7) - farside22,

Starbuck, Titus,

TrueSoulEnergy, Morning Tweet, Porkens,

ManateeDude

[LYNCH!]

ManateeDude (7) -

Battle Mage

, Porkens, Chateau Lobby, farside22, Morning Tweet,

Starbuck, Titus

[LYNCH!]

So what your showing us here is you were on every lynch with hellbooks except hers.

Or that TSE on both of the scum lynches. TSE and MT are pining me the most when I compare all lynch VCAs. Porkens is still sus to me.

TSE, MT, and Pork in that order for my preferred lynch order.

[Wtf and Looker doesn't even register as sus to you?]

Oh Looker isn't on any wagons... I didn't consider that type of positioning when I threw this list together.

[Chateau Lobby]

[

Iconeum

Chateau’s shielder clam is plausible but as card dealer he would be very well aware of the yellow card effects and that would have a lot of the same effect.

But I got a blue card last night.

[Chateau Lobby]

Due to a new site rule, the ruleset (excluding standard wincons) and votecounts have been edited to remove a certain word. Since the intent of the rule change is to disassociate said word from Mafia games, the ruleset has been edited in a way to hide the fact said word existed in the ruleset. Eliminate will be the replacement for this game.

Good on MS!

[Chateau Lobby]

Is that everything you feel like to commenting on?

Please don't be so vague. Just ask me what you want.

[Chateau Lobby]

Oh Looker isn't on any wagons... I didn't consider that type of positioning when I threw this list together.

What does this mean? You didn't take a stance on it, so I don't know if you're expecting a response.

As to what it means, I don't have a strong feeling one way or the other atm. But it is for sure notable and for sure it pings me.

[Chateau Lobby]

Mornin
I blocked chetau. Just need to mop up!
VOTE: chetau

Says the wolf? I didn't have an ability.

Also, do you think I am Scum, wolf, or Alien?

[Chateau Lobby]

VOTE: Porkens

[Chateau Lobby]

Borning lied about being town coconut, although the real role is very near on the same page.

imagine lying as the town in response to the town guesser wanting to guess your role to confirm you and get a doc shot. that's not something town does

I don’t know what hellbrooks motivation is to lie, but if he rolecopped me he knows I’m not alien sympathizer.

I’m a kind of joat.

she, and you're scum

i don't know what weird role shit happened but the simplest explanation is that you're lying through your teeth

I am not alien, and I know mechanically there can be no aliens, so it is you who is lying through her teeth. What I don't understand is why you would set yourself up this way. why is it so important you get me lynched today, even though my flip will expose your lie?

I realize how unlikely a town werewolf sounds, and I think that's why boring bent over backwards not to claim (although they left a pretty strong roadmap through crumbs)

as to bingle, ninja, massblock, etc. I have no clue.

Wait... Had this been addressed? How could you nit be alien? We have 2 flipped aliens??? So your sympatise could not have rerolled!

Busted.

[Chateau Lobby]

Alot of weird porkens and bingle associations...

[Chateau Lobby]

Can someone please explain how its possible that I am scum here.

[Chateau Lobby]

Mornin
I blocked chetau. Just need to mop up!
VOTE: chetau

Says the wolf? I didn't have an ability.

Also, do you think I am Scum, wolf, or Alien?

Can someone please explain how its possible that I am scum here.

You know Wolf and Alien are scum roles right? Lol.
The correct thing to have said there would have been “Mafia”.

I don't know what you are saying.

[Chateau Lobby]

Better said, since you are all worked up on my semantics:

Are you saying I am

MAFIA

? Or I am either Wolf or Alien?

[Chateau Lobby]

My claim stands true.

[Chateau Lobby]

My claim stands true.

So you deny being one shotized ?

No. Last night was the 1st night that I couldn't act due to the 1 shotized

[Chateau Lobby]

I guess I can claim now since it will be asked of me sooner than later. And besides last night was the last night that I could have used my ability since I got the ability restriction yesterday.

I am Town Shielder

Targets:
N1: Drew
N2: Titus
N3: Titus
N4: BM
N5: Bingle

Not sure what happened last night but I should have protected Bingle.

[Chateau Lobby]

N1: TrueSoulEnergy
N2: Doctor Drew
N3: Porkens
N4: Chateau Lobby
N5: Looker
N6: farside

[chateau is correct]

I was targeted.
Why did you target me when i claimed vt? What good is that?

I guess I can claim now since it will be asked of me sooner than later. And besides last night was the last night that I could have used my ability since I got the ability restriction yesterday.

I am Town Shielder

Targets:
N1: Drew
N2: Titus
N3: Titus
N4: BM
N5: Bingle

Not sure what happened last night but I should have protected Bingle.

Who'd you protect last night?

unvote

No one because my ability expired after N5 due to then1-shit ability restriction.

[Chateau Lobby]

Oh lord... 1 shit = 1 shot

[Chateau Lobby]

Why Bingle?

At the time before I saw his flip, I was TRing that slot and I felt he was a "town leader" based on his posts and vibe and I thought we would be better off with him alive.

[Chateau Lobby]

Why Bingle?

At the time before I saw his flip, I was TRing that slot and I felt he was a "town leader" based on his posts and vibe and I thought we would be better off with him alive.

Just because someone is a “Strong Player” doesn’t mean it’s alignment indicative nor does it mean they are better off alive.
Even bad players can make the right decision when it comes down to it.

So who do you believe is the last scum then and why?

Porkens. Because of the debunked claims.

[Chateau Lobby]

Why Bingle?

At the time before I saw his flip, I was TRing that slot and I felt he was a "town leader" based on his posts and vibe and I thought we would be better off with him alive.

Just because someone is a “Strong Player” doesn’t mean it’s alignment indicative nor does it mean they are better off alive.
Even bad players can make the right decision when it comes down to it.

So who do you believe is the last scum then and why?

I know its not AI, but I TR Bingle. Not because he was a "strong player" but because his slot felt like a "strong TOWN player".

[Chateau Lobby]

Why Bingle?

At the time before I saw his flip, I was TRing that slot and I felt he was a "town leader" based on his posts and vibe and I thought we would be better off with him alive.

Just because someone is a “Strong Player” doesn’t mean it’s alignment indicative nor does it mean they are better off alive.
Even bad players can make the right decision when it comes down to it.

So who do you believe is the last scum then and why?

Why do you think there is omly 1 left?

I am curious to this as well. Since TSE showed on the last page how much he pays attention to semeantics.

This is feeling like a slip.

[Chateau Lobby]

Why Bingle?

At the time before I saw his flip, I was TRing that slot and I felt he was a "town leader" based on his posts and vibe and I thought we would be better off with him alive.

Just because someone is a “Strong Player” doesn’t mean it’s alignment indicative nor does it mean they are better off alive.
Even bad players can make the right decision when it comes down to it.

So who do you believe is the last scum then and why?

Why do you think there is omly 1 left?

I am curious to this as well. Since TSE showed on the last page how much he pays attention to semeantics.

This is feeling like a slip.

[Chateau Lobby]

Chetau: what debunked claims are you talking about?

Farside: do you mean you know you were targeted through mod confirmation?

----

Chetau's line towards TSE calling it a slip while voting me don't mesh.

If farside got a visit report night 6, fine, but otherwise I'm confident hanging chateau wins the game

I'm talking about your wild claims that you have retracted. And your so called gambits.

I don’t see why you and TSE couldn't both be scum.

VOTE: TSE

You want me to vote TSE then you should vore with me.

Put your money where your mouth is.

[Chateau Lobby]

[

@Chateau

why'd you pick page 178 of grand idea? Seems kinda uninteresting yet it's SUPER far back]

A random spur of the moment page pick. I didn't look through any pages really before picking.

[Chateau Lobby]

Chetau: what debunked claims are you talking about?

Farside: do you mean you know you were targeted through mod confirmation?

----

Chetau's line towards TSE calling it a slip while voting me don't mesh.

If farside got a visit report night 6, fine, but otherwise I'm confident hanging chateau wins the game

I'm talking about your wild claims that you have retracted. And your so called gambits.

I don’t see why you and TSE couldn't both be scum.

VOTE: TSE

You want me to vote TSE then you should vore with me.

Put your money where your mouth is.

If you think I’m scum then what scum would I be?
What alignment?

Any of the 3 for all I know.

[Chateau Lobby]

CL’s pivot to TSE only came after his vote on me failed to get a second. That + the roleblock pretty much convince me. The nokills I think we’re due to yellowcards and my doc save of bingle + shinanigans.

I think farside claimed the effort saver on starbuck, no?

No, my vote on TSE came ONLY AFTER you said I should vote there. And yet you don't follow me.

[Chateau Lobby]

If CL isn’t Werewolf then I think Farside is that had an ability to save their buddy.

Why do you label me as Werewolf and not alien or MAFIA?

[Chateau Lobby]

[The running theory is that Chateau is a werewolf, yes? haven't found any werewolf roles that fit the bill yet sadly. But i think by VCA chateau didn't make sense as a mafia, if i recall correctly]

Why are people still ignoring the fact that Porksn claimed to be an alien with no other aliens in the game?

Then suddenly, WE DO HAVE aliens. I liked this site so much better when people stuck to the lgl policy. I get this is a game of deception but principal should still stand.

[Chateau Lobby]

It's just the one thing that irks me the most in this game. Getting lynched while no one believes you. Then tomorrow will come and people will just shy away from Porkens again and its just super frustrating.


Sorry for ranting, these things just build up and lead to my implosion, I'm working on it.

[Chateau Lobby]

This game was just so confusing for me, especially in the first days. I kind of got the feeling for it but I think my "indifference" and "lack of focus" early on is doing me in now.

[Chateau Lobby]

i really don't wanna follow 'the cop' on someone who open wolfed (alien'd?) and previously lied about alien information

Someone gets its. Give me hope please.

VOTE: Porkens

[Chateau Lobby]

[however! there was no kill last night. And if Pork is the last scum, no-killing there and getting Chateau exiled doesnt win him the game. So why was there no kill other than maybe cuz of a roleblock?]

[unofficial VC]
Chateau Lobby (3) - Porkens, farside22, TrueSoulEnergy [E-1]
Porkens (2) - Chateau Lobby, Iconeum [E-2]

Well, Pork could be an alien himself. And since assuming that Titus loverized and killed a couple night backs would mean there are no more alien factional kills since titus' role PM says that aliens can only kill once.

[Chateau Lobby]

CL: What that I said are you claiming was direction from me to you to vote for TSE?

....

Chetau's line towards TSE calling it a slip while voting me don't mesh.

[Chateau Lobby]

[however! there was no kill last night. And if Pork is the last scum, no-killing there and getting Chateau exiled doesnt win him the game. So why was there no kill other than maybe cuz of a roleblock?]

[unofficial VC]
Chateau Lobby (3) - Porkens, farside22, TrueSoulEnergy [E-1]
Porkens (2) - Chateau Lobby, Iconeum [E-2]

Well, Pork could be an alien himself. And since assuming that Titus loverized and killed a couple night backs would mean there are no more alien factional kills since titus' role PM says that aliens can only kill once.

You voted for me while calling out TSE for a slip. I pointed that out to illustrate your self-contradiction.

Since when are we not allowed to SR more than 1 person?

[Chateau Lobby]

I didn't say you weren't, but I don't recall you expressing a 2-scum-left opinion at that time, and it looked like flailing for an 'anyone but me' counter wagon.

I never made any assumptions about the number of remaining scum. I still don't. With multiple factions confirmed there could be more than 2, maybe even 3-4 scum alive.

[Chateau Lobby]

CL has not once read as game solving and seems to jump on anything to save him so my votes not moving. If it comes down to it in the end we should lynch one or the other.

I have been trying to solve by eliminating porkens.

Why would I not try to "save myself" and how is that type of mindset AI either way?

[Chateau Lobby]

TSE scum 100% holsters in this situation.

Tse as part of the mafia makes sense given scum knew roles in the game and its an easy fake claim from there.

You could substitute porkens for TSE in that statement and it still makes 100% sense.

I think claiming page numbers is useful for spotting fakeclaiming scum later.

Also, this setup might have as little as 3 town. We need all the help we can get.

The problems is that puts us in a situation where some scum could comfortably tell the truth with their page number and some town may feel forced to lie.

On the plus side, I think your reasoning makes your suggestion feel more faulty than scummy.

Imagine that Boring is scum and therefore knew all of the roles... then read this statement.

Then we get Porkens first post:

Okay guys, I just checked TSE's meta. As much as I hate to say this, I think he might be telling the truth. He's always like this. Like, I haven't even found a scum game yet, just 4 town games in a row of this.

Good morning

I shot drew; you’re welcome.

Also there are no aliens in this game, and bingle is conftown

I think scum!Porkens maybe somehow found out bingle's role and this his nod to bingle. I searched the roles thread and found an alien traitor role which fits this statement as well.

And then he claims werewolf??? So somehow boring/porkens can be connected to all 3 non town factions here.

[Chateau Lobby]

EBWOP

Don't know why post 718 got quoted there.

[Chateau Lobby]

TSE is the new porkens apparently. Probably scum with him.

I still don't even have the slightest idea why any of you would try to make sense of this game. I've figured out that its just a waste of time. We vote who we think is scum until we win or lose just like any other game minus the mech solving part.

Does the1-shotizer thing have any effect on any factional kills or just the individual player?

Maybe there is an alien left or just some type of 3p role.

Porkens pushing me lead to a scum elimination, TSE will following suit. I Would if I were scum here too. Push the player with the most suspicion why change a working system.

VOTE: TSE

Also, porkens was probably telling the truth about splitting the win with another scum faction with that werewolf claim the day before he was eliminated. Why would scum!me push to lynch there if I thought he was scum? Wouldn't it make scum!me much closer to getting the win-split?

[Chateau Lobby]

Yeah, I'm satisfied with TSE being scum here. Probably the last one as I TR basically everyone else on play/vibe. MT could be a dark horse but I doubt it.

[Chateau Lobby]

What do you mean by exile? Is that a part of this game that I'm missing?

[Chateau Lobby]

[Oh we can exile both TSE and someone else if needed, assuming there aren't any more nightkills. Forgot about that.]

[Yeah i think a lot of my solving was a waste. Except for the card dealer thing. It made me reasonably sure Looker was mafia and it was pretty cool when he was]

[Well it makes it so their abilities can only be used one more time. Don't think factional kills are abilities.]

[Do you think TSE merely guessed that BM is town?]

Pork was a werewolf but he didn't kill. That just makes no sense right.

Does alien's recuit someone? I'm not as familiar with the role

Im assuming he didnt kill because it was a gambit, he opened the day stating he roleblocked me to set me up.

[Chateau Lobby]

If I was Mafia I would have killed Icon.

2 nights in a role without a NK (and Porkens apparently holstering) I am assuming that you're either alien (without any NKs) or a 3p role.

[Chateau Lobby]

Neither has CL to be frank. He only comes out when being voted on.

unvote

I haven't had a chance to "come out" without being voted on because I have constantly been voted on the past 3-4 days or so.

[Chateau Lobby]

[we could talk about why we chose our pages to pass the time until Ico tells us what it thinks, if you guys like]

[I'm uh, not gonna be able to participate though. Hm.]

I already explained that my page number was just a spur of the moment pick.

[Chateau Lobby]

I found the role:

Town Shielder

You are a Doctor, but the sanity of whoever you protect is reversed for that night.

But it says nothing about it only lasting till a certain night and CL has not explained why he didn't protect Icon whom was confirmed town.

I thought I did answer that but I couldn't find it after quickly ISOing myself.

I was 1-shoted a few nights ago, thats why I haven't used my ability since then.

IIRC, I shielded BM one night for being conftown and the shield on Bingle was made because he felt like a town leader to me.

I picked Titus for a couple of nights because her loverization stuff and I felt we were on the same wavelength which has never happened in any of my games with titus.

Honestly, I think Icon just got lost in the mix for me irt to my shields its not like I am trying to play WIFOM with scum or anything like that.

[Chateau Lobby]

Also I would like to know what page the role is on that CL picked.

page number claim, CL?

Pg 178, nothing special about the number, I just picked it on the fly.

[Chateau Lobby]

Spoiler: Night Kills

NIGHT ONE

No one has died last night...

Mafia

and

Werewolves

can kill. That is 2 nightkills available. Two failed.

Hellbooks, ManateeDude, Titus, Starbuck, Bingle, Looker, and Porkens are all Deathproof.

Chateau claims to have healed Doctor Drew.

NIGHT TWO

Hoctac has died during the night. They were a

Town Guesser

Mafia

and

Werewolves

can kill. That is 2 nightkills available. One failed.

Chateau claims to have healed Titus.

NIGHT THREE

Doctor Drew has died during the night. He was a

Town Anti Recruiter

Mafia

and

Werewolves

can kill. That is 2 nightkills available. The werewolves killed Drew. The mafia kill failed.

Chateau claims to have healed Titus.

NIGHT FOUR

No one has died last night...

Mafia

and

Werewolves

can kill. That is 2 nightkills available. Two failed.

Chateau claims to have healed Battle Mage.

NIGHT FIVE

Titus has died during the night. She was a

Alien Pheromone Seeder

Starbuck has died during the night. She was a

Werewolf Vanillaizer

Battle Mage has died during the night. He was a

Town Lurker

turned

Vanilla Townie

Bingle has died during the night. They were a

Alien Self Motion Detector

Mafia

,

Werewolves

, and

Aliens

can kill. That is 3 nightkills available. There was also a loverization in play.

Chateau claims to have healed Bingle, but Bingle still died.

NIGHT SIX

No one has died last night...

Werewolves

can kill. That is 1 nightkill available.

It is likely Porkens holstered.

NIGHT SEVEN

No one has died last night...

It seems the

Mafia

and

Werewolves

have been wiped out, or are masquerading as an

Alien

.

[There is some ability that was inhibiting the werewolves and mafia from killing, obviously. Chateau's doctor claim, if he healed perfectly every night, technically could explain every no death, except for night four where two kills failed.]

[Will look and see if there's an alien role that can stop deaths, perhaps. Interesting that Chateau healed almost only aliens, although if he were an alien, I don't know why he'd admit that. And why'd the heal on Bingle fail?]

Could the effort saver role be the reason behind no one dying on N1?

[Chateau Lobby]

He was conftown at that point so maybe they all shot there.

Still doesn't explain why there aren't 2 kills or more any other nigjt besides N5.

[Chateau Lobby]

I'm not scum...

[Chateau Lobby]

How have I been coasting. I'll admit I was very confused during the first few days of this game and maybe my posts didn't feel. Present.

Once the numbers of alive players came down I stated to get my footing.

I don't know how to solve this game but I have been trying to sort my reads and I believe I have.

All the reasons you use to align me as scum can be used on any other slot. I guess except for Icon.

But saying I am coasting is just bad wording imo.

[Chateau Lobby]

VOTE: BloodMage
This is obviously from the Mage Faction!

VOTE: BattleMage
Confirmed Mage Faction!

[It feels like TSE was crumbing this knowledge of his pretty heavily. BM didn't even post D1.]

I don't get how this is a crumb in our corrent situation. I mean in hindsight one could maybe put it together if TSE died and flipped town before BM died.

[Chateau Lobby]

That post by BM is so pure, it’s unreal.
Lock Town.

Well, maybe this is a better crumb that those posts.

[Chateau Lobby]

but still. TSE's play, vibe, attitude or whatever you want to call it would also fit doing this BM conftown thing as scum.

[Chateau Lobby]

town TSE/Haya means scum in Farside or MT.

Just so I can stop being paranoid before it even gets started:

Is there anyway its possible that Icon conftown could be skewed?

[Chateau Lobby]

[Why would you RVS vote someone, you both say nothing for 8 hours, then you RVS vote them again with near identical reasoning?!]

[But yeah theres also that other post by TSE]

Yeah, I get that but thats what I meant by that "type" of style could very well come from a scum mindset.

[Chateau Lobby]

also i'm a town 1shot friendly neighbourizer who targeted Ircher on N1

we share a PT in which I am mod-confirmed town to ircher

This is indeed the case.

[Here's the Ico post]

Yeah, nothing comes to mind about how Ircher would get a lie there.

[Chateau Lobby]

[Farsides ISO didnt really rub me the wrong way much.]

[which one of you is scum!?! This is getting old !]

I was just doing an ISO of farside focusing on Bingle/Titus association. It feels friendly enough. One post it feels like they are partners and playing to each other and in other posts it feels like they aren't of the same faction.

[Chateau Lobby]

farside > haya > CL > MT > Ico

or?

Yeah this is probably the only way to end this game that keeps us from going insane.

VOTE: farside

[Chateau Lobby]

Also, if no one has anything against it please send in a fast night pm request to mod.

[Chateau Lobby]

Spoiler:

So, would two people who are town like to claim to me so that I could confirm them?

Knowledgeable Townie

I voted BM as a Joke and if people made a case on them I’d push the people making the cases from my joke vote.
And Yes Hoctac can Confirm me Which confirms BM.
It’s called allowing Town to have confirmed Town.
Not wanting to do that is called “Anti-Town” don’t be like Drew.
BM just doesn’t have good reads LMAO.
I’ve played a game with him before and his reads were God Awful.

[This'd be a crazy play by scum TSE, would it not? And I finally found the post were TSE clarifies the BM RVS thing was intentional]

Spoiler:

Titus is fuckin Open Wolfing.

Ircher will be spewed Town from a Titus scum flip, fuckin vote Titus.

Ircher is open wolfing.

Give me a post and prove it.

Can you give me a refresher on the other 2 NKs, Were both already attributed to someone?

N2 was Hoctac who was probably a scumkill.

N3 was D Drew who was claimed as a vig kill by Porkens.

We know that there is a Mafia Role Dealer who is not in {Ico, Titus, MT, Starbuck, Farside}. BM cannot be scum unless TSE is scum.

Lynch pool should be {Porkens, TSE, Bingle, Looker, MD, CL}.

VOTE: Looker

Yeah....
Pretty sure Titus and Bingle are scum together.

VOTE: Titus

[If we're exclusively alien-hunting here, it makes so much more sense for Chateau to be an alien than TSE.]

[i like both Chateau and TSE's ISOs, but in terms of genuineness i prefer TSE's. He seriously beat me if he's scum here, he reminds me of his town play i've seen in the past]

Do you have any open alts? I don't think I've played with you before, at least not MT.

"Pretty sure Titus and Bingle are scum together."
I interpret that line a distancing move made for a situation just like this.

Am I allowed to vote no lynch and suggest we don't do further discussion forcing mafia to make a kill?

Again, for 2 days now we have all been seemingly convinced that we are probably dealing with aliens as the remaining faction. Not to get hung up on semantics but just using the term mafia seems feel like a "playing dumb" move, no offense intended there. Just couldn't think of a better way the explain the vibe I get from that post

VOTE: Haya

I know haya and TSE are different people but this blatant "scum and bingle"!and "mafia" comments feel acted and forced. Not genuine imo.

Also I am getting irked that you are switching from Icon's plan we all agreed too yesterday.

[Chateau Lobby]

It screams forced to you, i take it? I'm not so sure about that]

Maybe intentional is a better word than forced.

[Chateau Lobby]

It screams forced to you, i take it? I'm not so sure about that]

Maybe intentional is a better word than forced.

[Idk. I can see Hayasaka not realizing there are no killing roles, and immediately assuming scum holstered from that.]

[That would also suggest she was not reading very carefully yesterday -- seems sort of town indictative]

Why do I have red cards and a village role pm?
What are cards I don't understand.

Why is morning speaking in exclusively square brackets?
Why are you clearing morning so heavily?


What evidence points against Farside and Chateau right now?
Hard for me to approach this game if you guys solve from POE without stating reasons, but I am more here to watch then actively let town win anyway tbh.

I feel like you are spelling out to me Farside is scum then argue it's a point that makes her town

[I can partially agree though, i don't get the sheer amount confusion she's going thru]

I wouldn't expect anyone to get a grip on this game replacing in after 100 pages, hell I have no idea and I've been here the entire time. But the past few days basically stand alone and just reading the past 5 pages gives a clear sense of our situation right now without any knowledge of the previous days.