FGO: Mafia in the Lostbelt (Game Over!)
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I think part of the decision process for figuring out who should get the master upgrade needs to be: what is their master upgrade? How useful is it? How risky to use?
In that spirit, I offer: My master upgrade would allow me to give two other players their own master upgrades. The upgrade would not include revealing their alignment. Usefulness and risk would depend on my townreading skills and luck.-
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As do IIn post 39, Servant Berserker wrote:You conveniently have the same ability.
Are you townreading Berserker?After I claim mine.
Fine, vote me and I'll make you Master Day 1. Mine is a day phase thing. So we can test it.-
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Night 2 at the earliest.In post 55, Servant Foreigner wrote:I disagree with the notion that giving our strongest town play a confirmed town status.
Then watching them die night 1 as we also lose our upgraded role pm.
If you disagree with that strategy then vote me because I know I am town and I like my upgrade.-
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I like this post.In post 65, Servant Berserker wrote:
The thing you are currently claiming is literally what I claimed when I came in.In post 63, Servant Foreigner wrote:
What am I casually ignoring?In post 59, Servant Berserker wrote:he "information" they are missing is information that was and is discussed in thread and they are casually ignoring.
It's also what 3 others also claimed as well.
And now after 4 people did that and went "oh, it's a mechanic not a special feature"
you're in here late to the party going "hey guys vote me I have this ability"
So either you're not reading or.... intentional.
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It's a nice start to have a townread before page 4.In post 68, Servant Archer wrote:
spicy take broIn post 67, Servant Alter Ego wrote:I like this post.-
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Town and scum both had strong reason to go after the master upgrade from the start, especially before we learned it's ubiquitous. I think how to act on that is more of a personality thing than an alignment thing.In post 79, Servant Lancer wrote:Berserker trying to strongarm the master vote out of the gate doesn't give me good feelings either.-
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I landed on this page, but am maybe a little more invested in not wanting the thread clogged with 1v1a.In post 123, Servant Lancer wrote:Normally I'm all about making sure 1v1s don't clog the entire thread, but in this case we skipped right over RVS and I find that kind of cool.
Story of my playstyle. I'm not going to go out of my way to extinguish style markers. I'm also not going to defend them on what's essentially a burner account.Alter Ego could be a scum.-
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Hello. Any thoughts so far?
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~Reasons~. Though they may be completely fruitless, I feel compelled to pursue them.In post 175, Servant Archer wrote: Also, 170 looks like even more busywork. Like I agree that Rider's entrance was somewhat lacking, but that just reads to me like scum asking a safe question to an AFK slot. There's not really any need to do it, and I feel like that question is more necessary when Rider is actually shown to be active.-
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Perhaps you'd like to actually engage me? It's easy to pick at posts in the 3rd person.
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Mostly I'm observing reactions to posts without my name on them, and remembering reactions to my posts before I was a somewhat known quantity at ms. It's not at all a case of being scumread by default.In post 183, Servant Lancer wrote:Self-meta isn't much to engage with. I want to ask what about your posting is usually scumread for you but that feels like toeing the line too hard for me to feel good about doing it.
I can see that as a legit reaction to the post, regardless of alignment.FTR I scumread you for your opener being a request for claims to decide the Master.
I'm in observation mode atm. I'm not sure what will haul me into the game actively, or when it will happen, but I don't think it will be much longer. I thought talking to you might do the trick. Oh well.Also gut.-
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I feel icky.In post 184, Servant Saber wrote:Hi everyone! I lean more on the side of using Mastermaker to suss out nebulous reads than on the side of turning someone I already feel really good about into an Innocent Child. So:
VOTE: Alter Ego
Congratulations! You are a sufficiently posi-null lean as to warrant this kind of vote.
Are you expecting that reactions to this vote will give you insight into my alignment?-
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Specific about why I like the push and reaction? Because they both make sense coming from town, based on what I can discern of personalities. Of the two, the lesser townread is Berserk, but that may be my reaction to his bombast and my dislike of 1v1s. As the interaction went on, I wanted to just disengage from the game for a while and hope it dissipates.In post 188, Servant Archer wrote:
Anything specific because that's a little vague and could be why I'm scumreading you. Thankfully hasn't really dominated the thread too much.In post 115, Servant Alter Ego wrote:I like Berserker's push, and I like Foreigner's reaction to it.
I can see this conflict blowing the thread up for a few days, unfortunately.
To see where they went with it, and if there were signs of opportunism. When they did engage at my invitation, the substance didn't ring terribly opportunistic.Why didn't you ask Lancer why they thought you were scum? hmm-
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Post 182In post 211, Servant Archer wrote:What invitiation?-
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I did! Are you caught up? I'm curious about your thoughts on the game.In post 214, Servant Rider wrote:Well, I wasn't expecting a 1v1 this early. Glad it stopped fairly quickly.
You rang, Alter Ego?-
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In post 186, Servant Caster wrote:Am I really going to have to argue with a serious contingent arguing we shouldn't just give it to the towniest player to keep it away from scum?
Saber, your post makes it sound like you have plenty of reads, so do you have any thoughts to share?
How the hell do you have me as one of the towniest players?In post 199, Servant Caster wrote:If I had to vote right now, I'd be between Archer and Alter Ego. And myself, obviously. But I don't have to vote right now.-
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I'm having a little bit of trouble attaching Avenger's posts to their avatar in my mind. That's probably a sign that they've not stood out to me enough yet, though I did like their first few posts, the way they entered the game.In post 217, Servant Rider wrote:I did catch up, yes! I must admit it was a bit of a struggle getting through the 1v1. My cliff notes are kind of as follows:
I like Caster, Alter Ego, Archer, Foreigner. None of them are super strong townreads (in fact I don't really have any super duper strong reads)
I at one point liked Lancer, but that's degraded a fair bit.
I keep thinking I should have a more solid read on Avenger given their number of posts, but I don't. I'll revisit them later.
Berserker, where to start with this one. I don't like his style, certainly. Do I scumread him for it? Not particularly.
Who's left? Saber - that entry post was yuck. Certainly interested to see where they go.
Actually I'll add Assassin to the like list. A bit abrasive, but they're okay.
This should give us a place to start.
I need to solidify a read on Lancer. I'm giving them towncredit for scumreading me, and that's not a good basis for a read.-
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eh. I'm not really sure what to think of that as a read basis.In post 218, Servant Caster wrote:
I liked that you felt fine admitting that you don't really have your head in the game yet. I liked 78 and 193. A third reason I'll keep to myself.In post 216, Servant Alter Ego wrote:In post 186, Servant Caster wrote:Am I really going to have to argue with a serious contingent arguing we shouldn't just give it to the towniest player to keep it away from scum?
Saber, your post makes it sound like you have plenty of reads, so do you have any thoughts to share?
How the hell do you have me as one of the towniest players?In post 199, Servant Caster wrote:If I had to vote right now, I'd be between Archer and Alter Ego. And myself, obviously. But I don't have to vote right now.
Sifting back through, near these posts, I realized I'd confused an Archer post for a Lancer one. I'm going to have to reread tonight and see if the avatars and identities have gelled for me.-
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@Rider, what do you think of Lancer's 128?
More generally to the thread at large:
re: Caster, I like that they picked up on a hint of fatalism wafting around post 129. The one thing that worries me about them was the townread of me given the relative sparseness of my content.
One thing I like about Avenger's posting is that they sort of picked up on a vibe that I was also getting from a few of Foreigner's early posts - like they'd been worked over and reworded. I don't automatically scumread that feel in posts, but given the pace of the thread when it was posted, it was possibly alignment indicative. However, on balance Foreigner's posts come off town to me although the quest for data and the assumption that a Cabd game can be flavor-solved at turns amuses and exasperates.-
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There's that. But, it also looked like one of those things that would be really easy to just let the townie have as scum as opposed to holding back. Reading back through the thread tonight, it made me wonder if my townread should have softened as much as it did later.In post 258, Servant Rider wrote:It factored into the read degradation. It struck me as odd that they wouldn't just explain why they'd decided to vote Avenger. Even if it was some small reason they had to have SOME reason to swap votes. It got worse as they talked to Assassin.
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I think I see what caught your attention in at least the first few posts, but I'm not sure why you think 2 scum would interact that way.In post 261, Servant Moon Cancer wrote:
"They" was referring to Archer and Alter Ego. Just read interactions in double-ISO.In post 258, Servant Rider wrote:Which of Alter's interactions bother you?-
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It would be an incredible, cringey gaffe. If I were scum, it would be awkward as fuck to see parallelisms like that show up page 1 of the game thread, and I think scum-me would have maintained distance after that.In post 269, Servant Moon Cancer wrote:I'm not really sure what you're trying to say. Why wouldn't two scum interact in that way?
It didn't register at all, though. I was still trying to sort out and attach personalities to avatars, and I certainly didn't avoid interacting with Archer afterwards.-
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Last night I got a decent townvibe from the post. This morning, it doesn't sing that tune so strongly to me. Not sure why.Servant Caster wrote:It's fine, I guess? I am slightly dubious anyone would've actually thought about whether other players had a seemingly innocuous role PM element.
This is a not very organized brain dump.
Rider and Foreigner are my strongest town reads. I dunno if others will agree on Rider, they haven't been discussed all that much so far although players have interacted with them -- mostly via Rider's initiative. The vibes I get from their posts are engaged, curious, self-assured and enjoying the game. None of which are necessarily town-only attitudes, but the mix feels town to me. Add that he's poking at things, but not trying to shape a narrative and that pretty much seals it for now.
Next tier is Caster. I like the way he defends his reads without going overboard or expressing assurance on reads that don't have sufficient basis for stronger stances.
I like the little flares of cynicism from Lancer and I think I just like them as a fellow-inhabitant of the game. Alignment wise I'm not at a solid townread. I feel similarly about Archer and Avenger - they are contributing to my enjoyment of the game. There are townflashes in their posts, but they're not strong townreads.
I feel like Assassin came out a little the better in the interaction with Lancer, though the initial posts didn't do much for me. This is also a lean town. Maybe a little stronger than Archer/Avenger based on that conflict.
Saber ran into flack over how they're approaching choosing who to master-upgrade. I don't really like the approach, but I do like that he sticks with it despite getting flack.
Beast is null. A vote without engagement is meh. 259 and 265 do feel slightly town, and I like that they engaged with Rider's questions. Sometimes 7 posts is enough to form a strong opinion. It's going to take more than that here.
Last night, I realized I was responding to Moon Cancer like their suspicion of me is coming from town. This morning, I'm not trusting that instinctual reaction so much. I'm sitting on a null town take.
My opinion of Berserker hasn't really changed, but since his last posts, other players have put down data and the thread and some now look more town than Berserker on that basis. I should reread them more closely today.
So:
(Rider, Foreigner}
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{Assassin}
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{Archer, Avenger, Berserker}
{Lancer, Saber}
{Beast, Moon Cancer)
Rider would be my first choice to give the master upgrade if they wanted it. The dashed line indicates where I draw the line for the upgrade vote.
It looks llke we have 2 players who haven't posted yet, so I'm sharing this game with at least 2 scum. I'm more of a townhunter by inclination, so I'm happy the first decision we need to make involves townreads.
As far as my own interest in the upgrade, I'm meh. I like being confirmed town when it happens in a game, but it messes with how I form reads on other players. And, I'm not feeling super leadery so far, which means I'd probably be trying to work toward consensus rather than set direction. I'd like someone who can lead well and whose read-process I trust to have the upgrade.-
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Developing scumreads is not where my focus is atm. Like I said, by nature I approach games via Townread/POE. I think my POE is pretty clear in my list.In post 282, Servant Archer wrote:No scumreads yet Alter Ego?
@Avenger, re Rider's interest level in the upgrade, you may be right on reread. The post doesn't sound like quite as much of a repudiation as I thought last night. It sounds like a similar level of disinterest to what I have.-
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Elaborate?In post 304, Servant Assassin wrote:i scumread ruler solely because i know who made that post now-
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Yeah there's some of that going on. I've reached the point where I want to size up Caster's take on posts versus mine as a reality check, which is pretty solid townread territory.In post 308, Servant Rider wrote:
I like Caster primarily because I keep reading posts and thinking things about them (notable example: 241 and 242) and Caster has this tendency to show up shortly thereafter and mind meld with me.In post 277, Servant Alter Ego wrote:Next tier is Caster. I like the way he defends his reads without going overboard or expressing assurance on reads that don't have sufficient basis for stronger stances.
The main thing that stands out for me in 241 is in the reply to Avenger. Archer has indicated they hadn't read through the 1v1, and at some point said they'd decided to give it another try in reply to one of my posts about the interaction. And then came back a while later and said something to the effect of yeah, can't make myself wade all the way through that.
I'm slowly coming around on Avenger. Hard disagree on Archer though; 241 made me 180 and march right down scumfuck lane with that one. Discussion?In post 277, Servant Alter Ego wrote:I like the little flares of cynicism from Lancer and I think I just like them as a fellow-inhabitant of the game. Alignment wise I'm not at a solid townread. I feel similarly about Archer and Avenger - they are contributing to my enjoyment of the game. There are townflashes in their posts, but they're not strong townreads.
I thought there was an inconsistency regarding Archer's take on the basis for Avenger's townread of Foreigner. It could come from an overly literal-minded playstyle, maybe? Being an overly literal-minded player, myself in some ways, it's more of a note of interest than a tick-mark. The depth of Avenger's aversion to reading through the 1v1, especially given that it didn't burn the entire thread down, seems extreme, though.
I'm remembering the hallowed words of some of my earliest offsite mentors regarding emotional range in generic scum but that feels like a misapplication of those rules of thumb, which really aren't all that reliable anymore. Which leaves the contradictions themselves. Is there scum motivation in them?
How does the Assassin vote work for scum-Archer? We're both townreading Assassin. In your concept of the game state would that indicate that scum would rather have the dayplay of 4 players than the power-up of 3?
I have the faintest of faint townleans on Beast simply because of their response to me and Moon Cancer. Moon Cancer I'm going to start needing some proper content from quickly.[/quote]In post 277, Servant Alter Ego wrote:Beast is null. A vote without engagement is meh. 259 and 265 do feel slightly town, and I like that they engaged with Rider's questions. Sometimes 7 posts is enough to form a strong opinion. It's going to take more than that here.
Last night, I realized I was responding to Moon Cancer like their suspicion of me is coming from town. This morning, I'm not trusting that instinctual reaction so much. I'm sitting on a null town take.
Yeah. That's were my null-town is coming from. With Moon Cancer, I need more not-related-to-me stuff to think about, I guess. I usually get good data for reads from how people react to my posts. This reaction just felt so far out in left field I can't really process alignment likelihood yet. Though in general I'm not hugely fond of running with day 1 associatives, which is basically what they're doing with their me/Archer stuff.
I thought I'd answered this last night. I'll be more explicit; I don't want the master upgrade. The only real interest I have in it would be that it'd be nice to be an IC and it'd be nice to trust the person who's conferring Master upgrades. I have enough decent townreads now that the latter isn't an issue and the former is personal idiosyncrasy. Give it to someone that benefits us mechanically.[/quote]In post 279, Servant Avenger wrote:I do think rider, archer want the votes.
Assassin isn’t objecting to them.
Good, then I did grok this correctly last night.
This is where I'm at, too. Almost went ahead and added a vote to this post, but haste isn't my thing.VOTE: Caster-
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FEH is a Cabd mafia game I didn't play. Knowing mod-Cabd, I'd say that if it was a mistake, then he definitely learned from it. Grain of salt for consuming my opinion: I'm more of a reads-based player than a setup-breaker, to the point of abandoning setup assumptions if they are incompatible with ironclad strong reads. Y'all go ahead on with your flavor-breaking. I'll be sitting over here running a comb through my reads.In post 320, Servant Avenger wrote:
Do you think the mod learned from their mistak? Or was that past game even a mistake at all? I’m seemed like an obvious loophole. @rider, thoughts here since you kind of appealed to authority in your opening post?In post 300, Servant Alter Ego wrote:I like Servant Ruler's first post, especially their doing some mod-meta and coming into the thread decisively. Sorry to see them go.
The page constraint makes me want to make fewer, longer posts, but my unfettered playstyle is more in-the-moment with a wall here and there. Site meta didn't used to be as accepting of in the moment play as it has been lately-ish. Playing on my main, my playstyle was more accepted once I had established myself as a player. It's been a while since I've been a relatively unknown quantity and I was (and still am to some extent) a little worried about how my play would go down with a player list that for the most part either doesn't know me at all or doesn't recognize me.Altar ego and archer are both somewhat guilty of this sin, but I don’t particularly think it’s super scummy. Though, I am a little confused why altar ego said they get suspected a lot with wall posts like that.
My ideal candidate will wow me byA lot of people don’t want a master it seems. I get that. I want a master though. What could I do to earn your vote? I don’t want to be too forceful here. But I also can’t really trust anybody else with it.- Being a strong townread
- Gaining the trust of my other townreads
- Impressing me with a good mix of thoughtfulness, consensus-seeking and decisiveness
- Having great reads
I'm compromising on some of these at this stage of the game, but hopefully I can get more picky when I have more data.
:hattip:@alterego: I’m glad I’m contributing to your enjoyment of the game.
There's the cost associated with picking mafia instead of town. And the person who is confirmed town (assuming we get it right!) has to decide two more players to confer the master mechanic on. Which is another thing we need to get right. And they need to use their likely limited time in the game to lead some scum lynches. "Likely town" is just the start of the selection process, IMO.Servant Shielder wrote:
Well, we are voting for the player the majority thinks is most likely to be town and they get IC’d right? Is there anything else I need to know about this phase?In post 325, Servant Avenger wrote:I see. So far there’s a mix of experience levels here. If you need me to explain anything let me know.
I too want to be IC and I think I would be a huge pain in the ass for the scum team.
@Everyone, I spoke with Cabd in PT and he stated that no mod errors have occurred as of yet.
He refused to comment on whether the scum team received fake claims or knew about the ability of the first master to give masters to two other players.-
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Transparency about your thoughts where there's no potential harm to town in sharing them really should help you demonstrate how you'd approach being master-enabled. And a lack of transparency/avoidance of topics that could harm town is also a pretty big deal to me. I put my wish list out there as a point of discussion - there might be a better way to approach the selection than I have in mind!In post 335, Servant Avenger wrote:Mistake!
I see alter ego.But wouldn’t it be pretty forced of me to start behaving in a certain way just to gain votes?
I can give my reads if you’d like and what I feel about them so far.
But they’re not significantly different than anyone else’s so far and some of it is paranoia type thinking. For example, when I saw assassin with 2 votes I thought about what made people drawn to him and if I believed that giving no fucks would lead to some players voting there. I’m not sure given the level of content he had at the time.
I also think we should stop (I know I just asked this) about whether you want to have a master or not because it narrows the NK options for scum down the line. If you want it great, if you don’t that’s great too but don’t share it in thread. Maybe read your role pm and think about whether it would be so bad after all to get a master down the line or not.
I hope to be obvious enough as town to be considered for master-enabling down the road. I feel chicken about having enough power coming out of this phase to really screw things up for town if my choices and decisions are bad.-
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I'm taking my own precautions against slipping. It would drive me insane to play mostly/entirely by tablet.In post 340, Servant Avenger wrote:I see.
Well, here’s transparency.
I’m town. Vote for me. I’m not worried about messing this up or handling this responsibility with a lack of care. I can be discrete, thoughtful, my strong town reads are statistically less likely to be scum than random chance based on past data (my null reads however, *COUGH*) it would benefit town to have me voted and I have little doubt of that.
I’m also very modest and not annoying at all.
I’ll try to be more transparent where I think it will benefit town going forward.
It kind of sucks to be on a tablet, because I can’t wall post without a lot of extra effort on my part.
Thanks for talking through some of this with me. I feel about a thousand times more stuck in the game than I did this time yesterday!
You disagreed with my Rider and Assassin reads earlier. Do you still disagree? If so, why?
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What's your basis for townreading Caster?In post 371, Servant Ruler wrote:VOTE: Caster
Because not attempting to get this one thing that is a benefit to town regardless of what townie has it is the same as not playing at all.-
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I get the sense of an implicit townread from this post. Is that correct?In post 378, Servant Moon Cancer wrote:While gunning for the master might seem cooler, a measured approach is apt for a ruler.-
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Has their game input since this post helped you with this? I'm still struggling to read them. Their associative scumread of me/archer still baffles me, partly because they haven't elaborated or brought it back up. I was hoping to get something readable off additional data about why they think I'm scum.In post 279, Servant Avenger wrote:I think we can do better on reading moon cancer if we wanted to put the effort in.
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I am really happy to read this. I'm 100%* sure Cabd wouldn't put a post restriction in this game due to discussions of game design we've had. I wasn't looking forward to the cognitive load of sorting out alignment likelihood around faking a posting restriction on top of everything else.In post 387, Servant Moon Cancer wrote:You could call it a restriction though it is self-imposed, but I'd planned on giving it up even before it was exposed. It's too much effort in considering how my posts are composed so I was thinking it should just be disposed... of.
* well 99.9999% because Cabd does love a good troll-
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Gentlebeings, we need 10 more posts to give Cabd the pagetop he so needs for his votecount due in 10 minutes.
I think we can do it! We might even be able to make the posts with content!
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I'm not sure what you mean by combined ability. I have seen a few roles at MS where voting a town player did confer a town benefit, though. One role that showed up in at least a couple not-Cabd games was a Treestumper who would stump a town player if they were the hammer vote.In post 392, Servant Avenger wrote:
A lot of my read on alien is set up spec. @rider, @alterego, has there ever been or would Cabd ever place a mechanic in a game where voting someone that was town could confer a benefit to town with a combined ability? Is there a history of that on this site? Votes should be fairly negative in nature.In post 384, Servant Alter Ego wrote:
Has their game input since this post helped you with this? I'm still struggling to read them. Their associative scumread of me/archer still baffles me, partly because they haven't elaborated or brought it back up. I was hoping to get something readable off additional data about why they think I'm scum.In post 279, Servant Avenger wrote:I think we can do better on reading moon cancer if we wanted to put the effort in.
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A few of my reads are heading more scumward due to lack of meaningful activity.
Without set up spec, the only thing I have is a lot of hints at internal narrative, such as pming cabd to ask about role stuff to break the game etc. but I used to do that all the time as scum where’d I’d bread crumb these little hints that I’m doing stuff ~behind the scenes~
On that 30 minute walk I mentioned I almost decided to declare moon cancer scum when I got back, but decided that it didn’t quite fit. I’m still considering whether I want to run him up or not and see if it’s plausible next day phase.
Obviously, votes on Vengefuls and Supersaints can potentially benefit town, too, but I don't think that's the kind of role you have in mind.
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This is what I was thinking: Reasons to townread Foreigner multiplied quickly IMO. Avenger said they wanted you to read the 1v1 and pointed out Foreigner came out of it looking town. You said you didn't want to read it, then said something about my post on the interaction making you want to have a look, and shortly after that posted that yeah, you tried and no, you didn't want to read it. In arguing town-Foreigner with someone who refused to read that interaction, they used data that was in parts of the thread you presumably did read. Given that at least part of the point was to argue that Foreigner is town, why wouldn't they use data that you'd be familiar with rather than the data you didn't want to look at?In post 396, Servant Archer wrote:Can you explain this please? For the record, I found it weird how Avenger wanted me to townread Foreigner based on interaction with Berserker, but then cited reasons outside of that to support his own TR.
That's what I saw as inconsistent. You demurred reading the part they wanted you to read, wanted them to explain their read (which I took as you wanting them to convince you they had good reason for thinking Foreigner's town) and then gigged them for using the data that should have been familiar to you instead of data you'd refused at least twice to look at.
I did read it, but my brain glitched a little bit because I spent part of this afternoon reading a game that I vaguely recalled had buffs that could benefit the sole recipient, and was conferred by vote. I wanted to look at how that mechanic shaped the way people played. From my read-through, those players didn't know for sure what their buff would be and there wasn't any double day type mechanic or scary publicized power-up of the scum team. The players in that game who campaigned were all town. The luck of the draw in terms of who was town vs scum probably factored into scum not going hard after it.In post 396, Servant Archer wrote:Did you read the thread before you asked this?
The reason my brain glitched was because the buff vote and elim vote were going on simultaneously on day 1 in that game, and the buff vote used hurt tags.
I sorted myself out, but probably would have probed in some manner to nail down for sure what the vote meant.
Assassin and Berserker. I haven't directly interacted with Berserker about the master upgrade. To my mind each has taken a different approach to winning that prize. Maybe they're all three town. I'm not scumreading them.In post 396, Servant Archer wrote:I'm not rider, but the only person who is really campaigning seems to be Avenger? Who else are you thinking of?
However.
I feel like this town may not be as lucky in having a hesitant scum team. The scum prize looks valuable, especially for a strong scum team.-
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In rereading Assassin's iso this morning, they're not campaigning as hard as I thought. It's more like they've pushed back against townreads when someone* expresses willingness to vote for another player. They do say that they don't NOT want the upgrade, though!In post 398, Servant Alter Ego wrote:Assassin and Berserker.
This is someone I'm strongly considering to give my vote. I really like their iso overall.
*I'm not sure how universal it is, but they pushed back on my list of players I'd vote for. And at least once on someone else.
Does it feel like an ability more likely to be given to town to you? It's a Sensor-ish ability and absolutely makes sense to be in the game. It's pretty OP, but that's the nature of NP abilities. A traditional Sensor learns how many scum votes were on their wagon, which is overpowered as hell.In post 408, Servant Caster wrote:When did this game get so dense. Or maybe it's just my brain saying no to mafia.
Well, I now thoroughly believe you're telling the truth about what your NP does at least.In post 404, Servant Moon Cancer wrote:FYI, the initial idea was potentially doing what I asked about if I found out learning attributes had some benefit (this was back when I thought my master upgrade was overpowered). Cabd shut that down. That made me go "why the fuck did you even give me that Noble Phantasm then rofl? I cant even use it" then two minutes later go "oh, duh, I'm not the only one who can hand out master upgrades". I figured it be like one, maybe two other people who could do it (it seemed like a pretty overpowered thing to be able to do), didn't realise it was the entire game. *shrug*
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I'm not great at setup spec either, but I have seen quite a sample of Cabd setups. This strikes me as an ability that he would put into this game, given what I know so far. There's synergy with Foreigner's claim. That makes me lean toward town having the ability (with a good dose of reminding myself "it's a Cabd game, dummy"). I'm still not all that happy with Moon Cancer, but I feel like some (most?) of the negative checkmarks may come down to personality and playstyle clashes.-
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Reading back through the thread AGAIN, I see that I attributed something to you that Avenger posted. I thought I was doing pretty well at hooking posts to names in my memory. It doesn't really impact my read, but it makes me even more wrong about you campaigning.In post 416, Servant Assassin wrote:moon cancer probably town just for bothering to think about applying their role in that way
my process has been to try to play things out normally and not spend too much time on mechanics, just look for reads and argue stuffIn post 410, Servant Alter Ego wrote:In rereading Assassin's iso this morning, they're not campaigning as hard as I thought. It's more like they've pushed back against townreads when someone* expresses willingness to vote for another player. They do say that they don't NOT want the upgrade, though!
to be clear on my stance: i would accept master votes, because i know i am town and believe the best outcome is for town to be chosen in this phase. can't promise great reads or amazing leadership though. if people wanna vote me that's cool, if not i'm gonna push for whoever i'm most confident is town to get selected
I guess I'm low enough sort priority that my error didn't catch your attention!
How are you feeling about Rider?
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I don't think there's another question for you that I committed to the thread. I've been wanting to measure my take of the game and some of my reads against yours, but balancing that, I don't want too much external influence on my thoughts. And balancingIn post 422, Servant Rider wrote:Alter Ego, did you ask me something? I'm really distracted today and it's taken me an hour to write this little post cause other things keep coming up.that, I hope an in-thread masonry coalesces. I like my safe spaces. You and Assassin have a good mix of read independence and flickers of snark, and I've felt like my impressions of the game have been challenged and only the best of my hot takes have been reinforced, if that makes sense. Bonus: I also am entertained!
So, I've been not exactly lowkey buddying you even though I worry about setting off alarms.
Let the paranoia commence!
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It took me a little longer to feel strongly that I can work with you, too. My townsense came way before teamsense did. I feel like you may like to play super-independently from your play so far, and I'm not sure you like or trust townblocking.
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I ask in all earnestness, should I take your question seriously? If so, why would you want a scumread in your townblock?
There's some work needed for a meeting of the minds. I haven't sensed interest on your part in engaging me. I'm pretty sure I asked a question of you a page or two back and didn't get a reply.
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@Avenger, I like your challenges to my reads and thoughts about the gamestate, but there's an open agenda there and I'm not sure how much your ambition to win the buff affects your sense of other players. So, yeah, very interested in your reads and thoughts, and hoping I've got the right level of filter now for the ambition.
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Good luck with that.In post 433, Servant Archer wrote:Can you please explain your combined scumread on me and Alter Ego? Also, what makes me scummier than him?
This is an opinion I've seen before. I feel similarly about things like pre-flip associations. And don't get me started on obsessive, blinkered VCA.In post 434, Servant Berserker wrote:Also, town blocking here before a flip is.... Bad. Very bad.
As far as townblocks go, if it's not a good one that becomes very obvious very quickly. I've thrown a spanner. It's generating some interesting data as well as serving my primary purpose.
I wouldn't cry if that's where we end up.In post 441, Servant Berserker wrote:Okay I'm good with Caster winning the vote too.
Your avatar looks like a chess knight and it really fits your approach to this game in some ways. A little zig and zag here and there.In post 443, Servant Rider wrote:Alarms be damned. I'll be in thread masons with you.
It's where I'm leaning. I'm just not ready to throw down a vote yet.Rider wrote:Vote Assassin with me. Unless you have a really good reason not to. I'm kind of pissed off and am very prone to making bad decisions!
Pedit: Caster come be masons with us
Don't encourage the imp on my shoulder.In post 445, Servant Caster wrote:I'm more or less in for the inthread masonry, though I'd be more comfortable electing alter ego or foreigner atm. I don't think we're playing well by honoring foreigner's desire to not be elected when he is obvtown.
That's one of a handful of possibilities.In post 446, Servant Caster wrote:What do we think are the odds of someone using the "I want to elect scum" take yo vote their buddy? Or should I be not posting this yet?
Which door to open?
I'm not at all surprised this is your answer based on my super-duper model of how you're playing this game. I may follow you around like a puppy anyway.In post 453, Servant Assassin wrote:
townlblocs were never really aIn post 427, Servant Alter Ego wrote:@Assassin
It took me a little longer to feel strongly that I can work with you, too. My townsense came way before teamsense did. I feel like you may like to play super-independently from your play so far, and I'm not sure you like or trust townblocking.thingfor me, and i have severe trust issues unless i know the other person well, and seeing as this is an anonymous game...
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big pile of quotestripes with too many empty lines, a lot of hedges, no real clarity of purposeIn post 433, Servant Archer wrote:
Why thoughIn post 397, Servant Assassin wrote:not really a fan of that post
I like this post a lot!In post 464, Servant Lancer wrote:I don't enjoy how you've apparently put in all of this effort but don't seem interested in playing with the rest of us, and are actively voting someone you think is scum so the game sorts it for you in a way that's really bad if he is scum.
I don't even think it's AI, i just... don't like it.
This is @Moon Cancer though that's probably clear
There's a player I'm using as a predictive model for your play. It's working quite well so far.In post 468, Servant Assassin wrote:in the spirit of this game i can't say anything but lol i would love to see it-
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What do you think of Moon Cancer's approach to the game right now. What do you make of their strategy for using the master-upgrade vote?In post 473, Servant Assassin wrote:
shocker: i dontIn post 471, Servant Alter Ego wrote:
I like this post a lot!In post 464, Servant Lancer wrote:I don't enjoy how you've apparently put in all of this effort but don't seem interested in playing with the rest of us, and are actively voting someone you think is scum so the game sorts it for you in a way that's really bad if he is scum.
I don't even think it's AI, i just... don't like it.
This is @Moon Cancer though that's probably clear
Puppy-dog cute?well isnt that cute
Side-games and self-challenges, and the old-game-reading I've assigned myself are all that stand between between me and a broken F5 key. Or a 5 page ISO.
I'm doing y'all a favor crafting player models.
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Fair enough. Anything you do want to discuss?In post 476, Servant Assassin wrote:
ehhh i have an answer but don't want to say anything yet, sorry. want to see other reponses.In post 474, Servant Alter Ego wrote:What do you think of Moon Cancer's approach to the game right now. What do you make of their strategy for using the master-upgrade vote?
If not, Cabd's Tales trilogy might make a decent late night read.-
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In post 475, Servant Moon Cancer wrote:Who's my model?In post 479, Servant Moon Cancer wrote:One of those games should probably go down in a list of the worst games in the history of ever.
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The post you replied to was MY reading list for the next couple of days. I'm not through digging, but I'll maybe have some observations about the game designs tonight or early tomorrow, depending on how bad my game-insomnia gets.In post 479, Servant Moon Cancer wrote:One of those games should probably go down in a list of the worst games in the history of ever.
To even suggest reading it makes me think you're a sociopath.
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When I saw you'd made some posts I figured I'd have some new questions for you, but I don't, at least not on these posts. You set sail with your second post in the game, and have hewed close to that course ever since. This is an observation, not a criticism!
Does this opinion still hold?
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This was meant for Ruler, not Shielder. OOPS!In post 488, Servant Alter Ego wrote: @Shielder
When I saw you'd made some posts I figured I'd have some new questions for you, but I don't, at least not on these posts. You set sail with your second post in the game, and have hewed close to that course ever since. This is an observation, not a criticism!
Does this opinion still hold?
In post 255, Servant Saber wrote:Also, for what it's worth, my least favorite people so far are Archer, Lancer, and Rider, since I feel like they have the worst signal-to-noise ratios so far.
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I may be wrong, but I get the feel that some players would like to end this phase pretty soon and move on. I don't think we'll need to run out the clock, but in an activity-restricted game I hate to give up pages.
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More cautious than opposed. It's always cool when shiny buffs come my way without seeking them out because I'm just that towny. My hesitance is more about whether I can step up and be what the buff will demand of a player. If it came to me, I'd do my best. And we'd learn how well the mechanic works in a consensus-builder's hands.In post 499, Servant Ruler wrote:
If you mean my predecessors second post, no. I don't find zerker townie really. I'm not sure what they say that caused them to bemoan the lack of votes.In post 490, Servant Alter Ego wrote:
This was meant for Ruler, not Shielder. OOPS!In post 488, Servant Alter Ego wrote: @Shielder
When I saw you'd made some posts I figured I'd have some new questions for you, but I don't, at least not on these posts. You set sail with your second post in the game, and have hewed close to that course ever since. This is an observation, not a criticism!
Does this opinion still hold?
In post 255, Servant Saber wrote:Also, for what it's worth, my least favorite people so far are Archer, Lancer, and Rider, since I feel like they have the worst signal-to-noise ratios so far.
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I may be wrong, but I get the feel that some players would like to end this phase pretty soon and move on. I don't think we'll need to run out the clock, but in an activity-restricted game I hate to give up pages.
Some of y'all could poast more.
If you mean mine, yes. Are you opposed to receiving the master? Shotgun to the back you would be my vote at the moment.
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It's a concise laundry list of the things that clash for me about Moon Cancer's approach to the game. It's not just a playstyle clash. I think it goes deeper, into differing philosophies about the game, and fundamentally, different personalities and strengths/weaknesses that have led to those playstyles and philosophies.In post 505, Servant Avenger wrote:@Alter ego, why do you like #465? It looks like an attitude post.
Although my reaction to post 464 was an immediate thumbs up for verbalizing what I've been thinking, the post itself isn't alignment indicative. I think anyone, even someone who agrees 100% with Moon Cancer's playstyle and approach, would be able to write this list just based on looking at some player reactions in this thread.
And further, the playstyle itself isn't alignment indicative. For me, it's harder to zoom in on alignment indicators in their posts due to the style clash. And I want to give some room for them to play the game the way they want to play it and think about the impacts their stances and behaviors could have on the outcome. It may not be as easy for me to see it in a playstyle I don't entirely get, but their play will still try to advance their win condition.
I'm running on a severe sleep deficit today. I hope the above post makes sense.
I hope so!Servant Lancer wrote: Also, re:post count, I know it's limited but 60 pages per phase is a lot if you just don't spam.-
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To be fair, It did strike me as something a town player might post, but it's within most players' scum ranges.In post 514, Servant Avenger wrote:@Alter, I see. I thought when you said you liked it, you were town reading him for it.-
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