Smoke-Filled Antechamber [Endgame]

[Cabd]

i think we should just ignore DS at this point and put him in the crazy bucket

I need promises that he doesn't make it past day 4.

Assuming non-crazy kills world, at least one of you, me, alisae, or tammy will be around to enforce that.

You can deputize jake too!

[Cabd]

ya lets make Jake do it
I'm sure he'll be able to get it done KEKW

The alternative is chuck-e-cheese?

[Cabd]

I honestly don't see a world where Bell is town in this game honestly

Hi-five!

[Cabd]

Pedit Alisae is scum bois light em up

You remember the Challenge Quest from the Fate/Zero event? The one where Kiritugu fights solo against Angra?

I need you to do that for me. Avenger got too many stacks of evil this game.

I mean I'm the OG hipster this game.

[Cabd]

You do not have my permission to eliminate me btw.

Ah shit guys, he doesn't consent.

Pack it up and go home.

[Cabd]

...


Is the entire lower bracket death-pacted to not read the fucking game?

[Cabd]

There was literally a three page back and forth about the lovers EXPLICITLY being masons.

My entire setup spec theoryposting covers how the lovers are masons.

There's easily 100 posts that talk about the lovers being masons in this game thread.

[Cabd]

Did you not read the claim and like... the pages of discussion on how we are gonna optimally play with the vig shots, bell?

[Cabd]

I am an actual Mason.

Not psuedo-mason, but literal "You are a Mason" masons.

My role as it is written, I am lovers, millers, and masons, with my flavor-sibling.

Independently of that, I am a novice vig. I have pizza ready to hand out. Deep dish, as in the Varsoon hydra town vig that got day one eliminated in that one large normal.

I'll at most get the one shot off, but it'll keep us on odds when I die and my little bro goes with me.

Something_Smart will be along shortly to put your doubts to rest.

I'm such a nice guy I went back and quoted it for you!

[Cabd]

Novice = Can act every night except night one.

[Cabd]

The wiki is your friend.

[Cabd]

...

goddamnit

Can grpscum Bell convincingly act this out of touch with the game data?

I think literally everyone in the elimpool not named petapan is flat out ignoring major components of the game thread. They can't all be true.

[Cabd]

Uh. Yeah.

[Cabd]

Ffery? Last call for schrodinger's doorway.

[Cabd]

If the town in the lurkmasspool could stop being so goddamn oblivious so we can find you?


Yeah that would be swell.

[Cabd]

Kiddo finally asleep. Let me recover my eardrums, and then we can plan out.

Ffery, when will you be food telling?

[Cabd]

Kiddo finally asleep. Let me recover my eardrums, and then we can plan out.

Ffery, when will you be food telling?

somewhat indeterminate. Probably not for an hour or so.

You getting anything out of this mush?

[Cabd]

I want more townreads I feel good about.

I feel like I keep asking the same questions every few hours, revolving around peta and cakez. The answers usually make me feel like my townreading them is a little naive.

pedit see?

See, what I'm getting is that only Peta actually is processing the role claims in a logical manner. But they can't ALL be scum.

[Cabd]

Don't make me break out the checklist again.

[Cabd]

Bell just feels lost this game.

Like, independently of alignment, feels like he's down a few cylinders of his brain engine.

[Cabd]

The name of this solve isn't "find the scum" it's "Choose who can be trusted to be in the figure it out pool for after we're dead, in case we miss scum a few times"

[Cabd]

And it feels like if they're town, Bell and Diamond are both campaigning HARD to not be in that list.

[Cabd]

The ghost of Shadi past?

[Cabd]

I randomly want to blitz midway... no idea why on a logical level.

[Cabd]

But nah.

[Cabd]

On a scale of 0 to 10 how dead am I this day phase?

This depends entirely on how well you can help us understand whatever passes for the logic you're approaching today with; if you're town.

Right now you seem dead-set on punching yourself a "NO WAY IS THIS GETTING NEAR XYLIM" ticket, first class.

[Cabd]

Cabd, do you think Bell and Peta's interactions are theater?

Btw. Never answered this but as of now no.

[Cabd]

Vote: Gamma

?

[Cabd]

Oh hey, I'm not a wagon

Do you know what makes you scum this game? And town this game?

[Cabd]

Vote: Gamma

?

Not that I particularly object mind you but your bone grafts in the spine have grown super fast to naked vote and not at least try your hand at explaining it!

[Cabd]

I actually debated doing that but then decided that it'd make more sense coming from a non-mason.

[Cabd]

Okay so let's say we blitz gamma.

I want a pool to shoot in supposing each color of result.

Say... 2-3 people?

[Cabd]

Okay so let's say we blitz gamma.

I want a pool to shoot in supposing each color of result.

Say... 2-3 people?

if town: the bulge

if scum: the bulge

I know, let's turbowagon the bulge and then:

If town: Petapan
If scum: Servant Assassin

[Cabd]

You agree that those posts I quoted reveal a hinky mindset?

I mean in general gamma feels like he's trying to have it both ways and turn us onto DS...


But midwaybears is out here doing his scumtell too.

(He falls off HARD once he does his initial burst of high energy efforting and against some players coasting on a day one townread is good enough but lol we're paranoid fucks that assume we sucked day one by the start of day two)

[Cabd]

Oh man, what a great p-edit post to chain off of.

[Cabd]

Okay so let's say we blitz gamma.

I want a pool to shoot in supposing each color of result.

Say... 2-3 people?

if town: the bulge

if scum: the bulge

I know, let's turbowagon the bulge and then:

If town: Petapan
If scum: Servant Assassin

if i'm wrong on him you can kill me i don't give a fuck but between his approach toward diamond and his last series of posts i'm over the edge and want him dead

Do you see any anti gamma-bulge associatves?

[Cabd]

what about Bell though

What about him?

[Cabd]

gamma vote >> bell vote for me atp but i will not shut up about killing bulge while i am still allowed to post

In most death order...

{Bulge}
gap
{gamma, bell}
gap
{???}
HUUUGE GAP
{DS}
?

[Cabd]

gamma vote >> bell vote for me atp but i will not shut up about killing bulge while i am still allowed to post

In most death order...

{Bulge}
gap
{gamma, bell}
gap
{???}
HUUUGE GAP
{DS}
?

Why is DS at the bottom for you???
Do you not see how DS was scummily angling to try and set the stage the push you by trying to discredit the very reason you are conftown?

I was summarizing petapan's reads back to him for clarification.

These aren't my opinions.

[Cabd]

DS also called all 4 masons scum

This is incorrect.

[Cabd]

@Diamond

- what reads do you even have?

Cabd - Scum. My gut has only gotten worse since the whole fiasco on day 1. Although there was something about a mason above? With a dethy, I don't believe that the set-up would have both a dethy and masons. Still, can someone explain later?
S_S - Surprisingly null!town. one of my stronger towns, but I'm not putting anyone in actual town because that tier is reserved for haha funny dethy-land.
Alisae - Null. Don't like your fixation on me, but I can't scumread you for that. You're doing your job. Some stuff has rubbed me the wrong way, but hey, that applies to most.
Pooky - /shrug. Don't remember them posting aside from snarking and the D1 cringeRP.

[Cabd]

reads

Scummy weird, or just weird-weird?

[Cabd]

"but we'll see"?


See what? What are you expecting to change?

[Cabd]

Changing tracks for a second...

Ffery?

[Cabd]

Changing tracks for a second...

Ffery?

scummoned

You see it too, yeah?

[Cabd]

mm, guess you don't.

Not gonna say what it is while it's going down.

My kingdom for a PT between us.

[Cabd]

mm, guess you don't.

Not gonna say what it is while it's going down.

My kingdom for a PT between us.

I was reading over Tayl0r's iso again this morning and thinking there was relatively plentiful interaction in that direction, with a side of DS.

I guess you should just discuss it out loud.

Maybe?

[Cabd]

I mean we're getting near deadline. It's just time to call a smeerp a smeerp.

[Cabd]

Wait for the morphheads to get their catnaps, and then yeah, we'll act tonight and get on with it.

[Cabd]

That said, the rest of team masons PLEASE do stuff outside of us?

[Cabd]

I think my personal pool today is {Gamma, Midway} for the elim. Then shooting pool is depending heavily on those flips and other thoughts I won't get into here.


But spayhalf has Thoughts and Thoughts are to be loved and cherished and respected.


Want to hear opinions form the other ya-yas, and from your lover.

[Cabd]

how is ti outing

Spoiler: shitposting

Texas Instruments made the TI-89 Titanium to basically enable cheating on tests. The built in solve for X and coding functions combined with ways to bypass the cache clearing rules on standardized testing is really scummy. (Even if they are expensive as fuck) So of course TI is outing.

[Cabd]

Also we should decide if we want the entire elim pool to claim (ironically nobody besides the confotowns has), and if so, in what order.

[Cabd]

Unfortunately, some people just fall off as scum, so that might not be helpful.

...lmao the irony.

[Cabd]

As Ffery mentions. It happened exactly once with me involved. And it's a very regretful event.

[Cabd]

Players she didn't mention:
Nahdia
Syryana

One of these makes sense. The other very much does not.

[Cabd]

Yeah, DS chose a vastly DIFFERENT way to completely be wrong!

That said, I claimed partners on page one so yeah.

[Cabd]

Need to make decisive wagon tomorrow.

Also need to decide on order for claims of non-masonries.

Sigh.

Long night.


Tomorrow morning.

[Cabd]

I don't townread anything gamma posted since you voted him, though?

I am onboard with DS out of the limpool for today.

Nahdia and midway have both fallen off HARD.

[Cabd]

order for claims of non-masonries.

pedit: Meh? I'm not super scum reading bulge and peta's drum-beating isn't doing much for me but I don't particularly LOVE bulge either?


Call me ambivalent.

[Cabd]

I'll make you a STFU deal.

If we elim bulge, and it's a red flip, you can call your second shot now.

If we elim bulge, and he's somebody who shits green, I'll just let you break up in orbit from the pizza planet.

[Cabd]

(t - > s)
diamond, cakez?, midway, gamma, bell, nahdia, bulge

Is midway that high because to his right is just so bad, or am I missing some town-indicative stuff?

[Cabd]

scumreading DS

Please unpack this one.

[Cabd]

VOTE: buldge

Show. Road.

The lord will know his own.

[Cabd]

You're welcome petaboy.


Let's hope it's a red flip.

[Cabd]

VOTE: buldge

Show. Road.

The lord will know his own.

You'll never be a quarter of the death goddess rider is. But I'll accept this tribute.

[Cabd]

Meh I guess bears and nahdia should probably claim too because that's my shooting pool if red flip.

[Cabd]

Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius.

Let's fucking get on with it.

[Cabd]

We're at 145 pages now... do we really need to hit 200 before the game day ends?

[Cabd]

Meh I guess

bears

and nahdia

should

probably

claim

too because that's my shooting pool if red flip.

[Cabd]

Looks like I'm lunchbait again, but that probably shouldn't be too surprising
VT

Again?

[Cabd]

We're at 145 pages now... do we really need to hit 200 before the game day ends?

I'm holding off voting because Bulge's current reads and thoughts ought to be in this thread.

Not going to vote my not-top scumread without giving him a chance to post it.

K see you in 11.75 years when Bulge shows back up and Olivia is making her account on her 13th birthday.

[Cabd]

Who is Olivia

Penguin_Alien and I's daughter.

It was a joke.

[Cabd]

Cool
Have I mentioned that when I told my mom and sister that you and PA met over this site they thought it was funny? I think it had to do with how I presented it, but still.

There's like... four married couples from this site that met here now.

If you count long term >2 year relationships it goes even higher.

[Cabd]

midwaybear please

I'm probably getting vigged.

Have you considered avoiding this by giving a tenth of a shit today?

[Cabd]

Well he also does somewhat give me the impression of not having support hm
This is really bad

Really bad how?

This post looks like it belongs in your scum PT, young one.

[Cabd]

DS isn't happening.

(t - > s)
diamond, cakez?, midway, gamma, bell, nahdia, bulge

cakez, diamond, bell, midway, nahdia, bulge, gamma

[Cabd]

DS isn't happening.

(t - > s)
diamond, cakez?, midway, gamma, bell, nahdia, bulge

cakez, diamond, bell, midway, nahdia, bulge, gamma

meh.

Tammy doesn't like DS and that's influencing my read some.

I need you to have a well defined pool for pizza before day ends.

I thought my pool was pretty well defined already?

[Cabd]

If it's final then we good.

Just calibrate your sensors outside of midway nahdia. Or if green I guess gamma and peta instead? Idk.

Won't have cake or ds in my pool tonight. And not bell despite my dreams.

[Cabd]

What does your heart want. Tell me. What is your truest desire.

Because fuck it I'll shoot that fucker dead to rights if that's what you want.

[Cabd]

Nah Alisae. Not anymore. Too drawn out a process to matter nowonly the initial votes mattered.

[Cabd]

What does your heart want. Tell me. What is your truest desire.

Because fuck it I'll shoot that fucker dead to rights if that's what you want.

Or you can 2013 cabal code it and I'll drink more ovaltine.

[Cabd]

I thought saying "I only do x as this alignment" constituted a trust tell

Only if that person explicitly goes out of their way to be unwilling to burn it to the fucking ground as scum when they can next do so.

[Cabd]

I'm basically ready to vote now, but since Bulge said he'll be back this afternoon, I want to give him time for that.

Did your wheels within wheels within hearts pick anything special up for me?

[Cabd]

On a semi-related topic how do you feel about Cakez' recent posts?

I wish FakeGod had given me the role I asked him for the first time, a 16-shot daycig.

It's like a dayvig, but they die of lung cancer instead.


</snark>

But yeah, they've been uh... fine? Still have him near the top of the list and willingness to yell at the retirement home for masons is probably re-enforcement of that?

[Cabd]

I mean my shoot pool by definition needs to be at least two people for what I hope are obvious reasons.

So even in townflip land peta can pray to RNJESUS

[Cabd]

Yeah I've been the same sorta way. I'm tired of trying to bridge this gap between "there's no way Cabd isn't scum", "this set-up makes no sense with 4 masons and 4 pseudo-masons", and "we have 4 mason claims and 4 pseudo-mason claims".

And then if that's indeed the case, the rest of us are just white noise. You could almost literally solve the game and auto-win with just the 8 conf!town. (Since it's 8 conf!town versus 9 uncertains)

Yeah that's what we have been trying to do.


But remember that four of the masons take two kills to die.


So it's a little less optimal than it looks.

[Cabd]

On a semi-related topic how do you feel about Cakez' recent posts?

I wish FakeGod had given me the role I asked him for the first time, a 16-shot daycig.

It's like a dayvig, but they die of lung cancer instead.


</snark>

But yeah, they've been uh... fine? Still have him near the top of the list and willingness to yell at the retirement home for masons is probably re-enforcement of that?

YaYa sisterhood thankyouverymuch.

Yaya is your lot.

Retirement home for cranky masons is collective of all three groups.

[Cabd]

Countdown to deadline: 1 day, 5 hours, 23 minutes

So... probably time today to finish this?

Once tammy is satisfied.

[Cabd]

Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius.

Let's fucking get on with it.

[Cabd]

vote: The Bulge

grumble.

If you want somebody else more badly then say so, lass.

[Cabd]

Just to be clear, Gamma's still your number one pick?

[Cabd]

If you want to swing back there, you have my support, and my idiot kid brother-lurker's support.

[Cabd]

Have one of the yaya's serve Syr's role, I guess.

[Cabd]

Come on daddy needs a goddamn night of solid sleep or two. Let's pick this up Saturday afternoon by ending it now.

[Cabd]

Weighted blankets. Or cats that sit on top of blankets. 150% the way to go.

[Cabd]

Falling asleep in a super crisp cool room, with warm blankets pushing down on you.... with a furball or two.... it's the life.

[Cabd]

Go grab a gif from paradox prime, if you do.

but not THAT Gif.

[Cabd]

See you all eventually in the endgame.

Shuffle of mortal coil is had.

[Cabd]

I mean i am still down to blitz gamma but W/E

[Cabd]

Would also blitz midway~

[Cabd]

VOTE: gamma


Follow your goddamn heart. No hammer until I post a new vigpool.

[Cabd]

VOTE: gamma

ily guys

You're still in the vigpool prolly. Gotta think about it.

[Cabd]

Please scummon Jake and tammy and let's do this so petapan can cry about it.

[Cabd]

Well I do share some skepticism with DS, but I think nightkills should calm this really quick.

Try again with specifics. Which players do you think are not truthful. Why?

[Cabd]

how many scum remaining are we assuming? 2? yeah fmpov, two scum just hopped aboard that flash wagon. does make me a little iffy, though pre-emptive VCA is a grave sin.

OH MY GOD
THIS WAS A QUESTION I WAS WONDERING FOR A LONG TIME FOR NO REASON
LIKE LEGIT SOMETIMES I STILL THINK THERE'S 4 SCUM INCLUDING THE TRAITOR LIKE WHAAAAAAAAAAT

I've been assuming it's 3-1-X from the get go

[Cabd]

Bro, I’m just sharing the skepticism of 4-2-2 masons. Even with traitor, it’s still really powerful.

No. Fuck that. You talk shit like doubting mason claims you back it up with specifics.

[Cabd]

Oh my.

[Cabd]

Oh my.

Talk me out of it if you think this is a bad idea.

Nah. I honestly don't care to defend it.

I do wonder how many people in the elim pool are having irl misery but that's whatever.

[Cabd]

Oh my.

Talk me out of it if you think this is a bad idea.

Nah. I honestly don't care to defend it.

I do wonder how many people in the elim pool are having irl misery but that's whatever.

you can kill me i'm town but i won't make you feel bad about it, my life's good

Hi-five goodness buds.

[Cabd]

VERY UNOFFICIAL VOTECVOUNT

8 to eliminate.

The Bulge (6) - petapan, Gamma Emerald, SirCakez, midwaybear, Nahdia, Alisae
Nahdia (5) - Bell, fferyllt, The Bulge, Tammy, DiamondSentinel
Gamma Emerald (2) - PookyTheMagicalBear, Cabd

Not Voting (2) - Something_Smart, Jake The Wolfie

Deadline: (expired on 2020-10-23 20:35:31)

[Cabd]

VERY UNOFFICIAL VOTECVOUNT

8 to eliminate.

The Bulge (6) - petapan, Gamma Emerald, SirCakez, midwaybear, Nahdia, Alisae
Nahdia (4) - Bell, fferyllt, The Bulge, DiamondSentinel
Gamma Emerald (2) - PookyTheMagicalBear, Cabd

Not Voting (3) - Something_Smart, Jake The Wolfie, Tammy

Deadline: (expired on 2020-10-23 20:35:31)

[Cabd]

Passive-aggressive votecounts are the fucking best.

[Cabd]

Fuck if I know. Not in our mafia PT that's for sure.

[Cabd]

Is it bad that I literally don't care about the lives of any of the top three right now?

Info for the info gods.

Would also randomly blitz midway still!


Brain: Fakegod has flavor prepped for the popular flips
Omega Brain: Lol Last Second Slashwagon
Galaxy Brain: Fakegod laughs because he doesn't write death flavor ever.

[Cabd]

found my spine again

Bovine graft?

[Cabd]

VERY UNOFFICIAL VOTECVOUNT

8 to eliminate.

The Bulge (7) - petapan, Gamma Emerald, SirCakez, midwaybear, Nahdia, Alisae, Bell
Nahdia (2) - The Bulge, DiamondSentinel
Gamma Emerald (3) - PookyTheMagicalBear, Cabd, Fferyllt

Not Voting (3) - Something_Smart, Jake The Wolfie, Tammy

Deadline: (expired on 2020-10-23 20:35:31)[/quote]

[Cabd]

My urge to pull a Syr is non-zero.

But technically, that right belongs to the yayas first.

[Cabd]

Yeah, calibrate on somebody cooler than those nerds.

[Cabd]

Oh lol i was about to say I'm waiting for tmamy but now I'm not!

[Cabd]

VOTE: Bulge


Time to go focus on work. Or something.

Data for the data gods. See some of you tomorrow, maybe. If not, see others of you in the dead thread.

[Cabd]

VERY UNOFFICIAL VOTECVOUNT

8 to eliminate.

The Bulge (8) - petapan, Gamma Emerald, SirCakez, midwaybear, Nahdia, Alisae, Bell, Cabd

Nahdia (2) - The Bulge, DiamondSentinel
Gamma Emerald (2) - PookyTheMagicalBear, Fferyllt

Not Voting (3) - Something_Smart, Jake The Wolfie, Tammy

Deadline: (expired on 2020-10-23 20:35:31)

[Cabd]

You're welcome.

[Cabd]

That said if the town in the pool could kindly stop having weird ass fucking reactions to objectively misplayed results? That would be swell.

[Cabd]

Heh, so it seems like the rand wasn't so great after all then

<--This shit is not allowed anywhere near endgame btw.

[Cabd]

Remember that time that the all masoned 2012 cohort got super game solvey and calibrated our expectations based upon town not outright sabotaging us?

[Cabd]

Like "I will value my own reads/enjoyment/plans to the extent that I will potentially gamethrow" is a valid choice. It's a free country/mafia site.

Choosing to avoid you going forward for this behavior is ALSO a valid choice that people can react with.

[Cabd]

1v1 me noob

[Cabd]

Gamma you can no context quotes thread the daycig joke now.


Also, I am a little biased here but disagree with your characterization of meta commentary, as everything was based upon 100% public info, and like... if you can't figure out to put the number 167 into my egosearch and see a big glaring example of "oh hey look a game these two played together that had a role cabd is talking about" then... okay?

[Cabd]

Well, it was my fault for being investigated.
Meta is a nightmare. *shakes fist at Cabd*

It wasn't meta!

[Cabd]

Cabd played his role with bravado, and with the resulting 6 men mason-group, this would have driven many scum team into panic. Claiming a full vigilante all but ensured that Cabd + S_S will not survive the night, which was exactly what Cabd and S_S wanted since they judged the dethy to be more valuable than themselves.

Do you think it was the RIGHT play in your setup, though?