Explosiva Mafia - GAME OVER

[TDC]

We'll not move on at one page per hour, that's true.

[TDC]

Mhm... Banana.

[TDC]

I'm all for blowing up Coron.

[TDC]

I'm all for blowing up Coron.

Interesting choice, why?

He's well within his self-proclaimed scum-meta:

On lurker lynching, on analysing around 2/3rds of my own games, which admittedly were mostly minis, I found that I have fewer posts per game day as TOWN, and more as scum.

[TDC]

He's well within his self-proclaimed scum-meta:

On lurker lynching, on analysing around 2/3rds of my own games, which admittedly were mostly minis, I found that I have fewer posts per game day as TOWN, and more as scum.

First, now that I know, it obv changes, and the difference is around uh... 3 posts per game day(which is admittedly around 20%, yeah games were shorter back on the day).

Also, part of this whole thing is my first game ever, which I had like 4 times my average posts per day, and ended as scum. Yeah, basically that arguement holds no water.

The way I read your argument it sounded like "Look, when I'm town I post less, so let's not lynch lurkers" (which actually implies that this is more than a specific meta on you, but a general meta).

On a more serious note, if I restrict it to games that ended 06 or later, which will eliminate the time when I was a noobish noob, the numbers magically reverse.

And now it's not even true for

yourself

.

So basically I'm using a meta of myself here as a sample "meta of person", I mean, not all people are the same, and I'm certainly not a typical scummer, but it's a start point at least.

So, what was the purpose? Which of the lurkers did you want to save?

[TDC]

The way I read your argument it sounded like "Look, when I'm town I post less, so let's not lynch lurkers" (which actually implies that this is more than a specific meta on you, but a general meta).

Well, I'm just saying is not unreasonable to think some people post more as scum than as town.

And I don't disagree. It is unreasonable to think most people post more as scum than as town, though (unless you can provide some numbers that are not solely based on your playstyle from a couple years ago). Lurking is not a town-tell.

And now it's not even true for

yourself

.

Oh, it's true for the me of the past, just not the me of the present. I don't see why the me of the present is any better to make generalizations from than the me of the past. I personally think using both would get us a better generalization that would apply to all players.

And yet you specifically pointed out the "I post less as town"-you, thereby generalizing without "using both".
The other you only came about after I pointed out that you're posting a lot.

So, the top most scummiest thing you can do is provide absolutely nothing to the game only making posts to say "I'm here" and stuff like that. People like that should be lynched VERY FIRST.

You mean, like k7?


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Did you REALLY just claim scum?

That, and that armlx is his partner :p

[TDC]

And yet you specifically pointed out the "I post less as town"-you, thereby generalizing without "using both".
The other you only came about after I pointed out that you're posting a lot.

Misquotes are bad. "On lurker lynching, on analysing around 2/3rds of my own games, which admittedly were mostly minis, I found that I have fewer posts per game day as TOWN, and more as scum. " Which doesn't even mean the same thing as what you said I said. Unless you're quoting something other than the orginal post.

Where have I misquoted you.
The topic was lurker lynching, right? You then gave the anecdotal note that you post more as scum than as town (something which we've established is not even true nowadays).
Where is my misquote?

[TDC]

"I post less as town" What I actually said is roughly "on average I have posted less as town" if you had posted this I would not be making a fuss over whether they were actually my words. Tense is really important.

I don't see much difference to be honest. A meta always is "on average".

[TDC]

"I post less as town" What I actually said is roughly "on average I have posted less as town" if you had posted this I would not be making a fuss over whether they were actually my words. Tense is really important.

I don't see much difference to be honest. A meta always is "on average".

"I post less as town" implies that it's my current meta. Metas change over time.

*shrug*
I think my point was that you were using your meta, excuse me "long time average meta", to argue against lurker lynchers which seemed off, because there are far better arguments against it (they do not create much information, for example), so it looked a bit desperate.

[TDC]

I do not remember you ever saying that you guarantee you'll bomb the majority vote.
Will you?

[TDC]

Which is equivalent to all other votes counting for nothing, and hence being useless.

[TDC]

Hooray!
with 17 non-me people it's 9 votes to explosion.

Go!

[TDC]

Any idea who might have armed you, TDC? All I can think is 'not Coron' and of course, that's wifom.

No idea, really.

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Vote Count:

Twomz (1) : M4yhem
the silent speaker (1) : Coron

not voting (15): alvinz95, Twomz, Max, DragonsofSummer, Battousai, Iron Man, armlx, Pokerface, the silent speaker, killa seven, Jex, Haschel Cedricson, Crazy, forbiddanlight, Battle Mage

[TDC]

Vote Count:

Iron Man (2): forbiddanlight, Crazy
Twomz (1) : M4yhem
the silent speaker (1) : Coron
Battousai (1) : armlx

not voting (12): alvinz95, Twomz, Max, DragonsofSummer, Battousai, Iron Man, Pokerface, the silent speaker, killa seven, Jex, Haschel Cedricson, Battle Mage

[TDC]

I had overlooked this simulpost:

And while it's shrouded in WIFOM, TDC, you might want to put more or less weight on your target depending on if you pushed for them yesterday or not. Because realistically the mafia would want to pick a bomb they think would kill a person they want dead (2 birds with one stone), but knowing that they could pick a person who was attacking one of them to "clear" that person.

I'll trust your judgment on this one.

Is there a more convoluted way to encourage me not to bomb Coron? (Also news flash, when I said "with 17 non-me people it's 9 votes to explosion", I really meant it - YOU are in charge, not me.)


I've also slightly changed my mind, from now on, everyone who isn't voting will automatically self vote (yes, blatant rip-off from Max' recent game).

Oh and I'll reserve the right to set a deadline if I get bored.
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Vote Count:

Iron Man (3): forbiddanlight, Crazy, Iron Man
Twomz (2) : M4yhem, Twomz
the silent speaker (2) : Coron, the silent speaker
Battousai (2) : armlx, Battousai

self voting and only self voted (8): alvinz95, Max, DragonsofSummer, Pokerface, killa seven, Jex, Haschel Cedricson, Battle Mage

[TDC]

(Also news flash, when I said "with 17 non-me people it's 9 votes to explosion", I really meant it - YOU are in charge, not me.)

You gonna vote/scumhunt yourself, TDC? It’s your last chance.

My last chance is my final post, I'll try to use that as best as possible.

I'll not vote and I guess I'll take a more observing position during the day, because
1. I don't think I'm that good of a scum hunter in general
2. I don't want to give people excuses ("Yeah, I've lynched town, but so has the confirmed townie!")
3. It would kind of undermine the "decision by popular vote"-thing, because cases promoted by me would probably have a higher weight than they should have.

That said, if something jumps my eye, I'll probably not hold onto it until the day is over.

On a more general note, I think that the closer we get to LyLo the less democratic the explosion should be.

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Vote Count:

Iron Man (3): forbiddanlight, Crazy, Iron Man
alvinz95 (3) : alvinz95, Max, M4yhem
the silent speaker (2) : Coron, the silent speaker
Battousai (2) : armlx, Battousai
armlx (1) : Twomz

self voting and only self voted (6): DragonsofSummer, Pokerface, killa seven, Jex, Haschel Cedricson, Battle Mage

[TDC]

On a more general note, I think that the closer we get to LyLo the less democratic the explosion should be.

Why, TDC?

Because the closer we are to LyLo the higher the percentage of scum is within the town.

[TDC]

Iron Man (3): forbiddanlight, Crazy, Iron Man
alvinz95 (3) : Max, M4yhem, Battle Mage
Battousai (2) : armlx, Battousai
DragonsofSummer (2) : DragonsofSummer, the silent speaker
the silent speaker (1) : Coron
armlx (1) : Twomz
Max (1) : alvinz95

self voting and only self voted (4): Pokerface, killa seven, Jex, Haschel Cedricson

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Iron Man (3): forbiddanlight, Crazy, Iron Man
alvinz95 (3) : Max, M4yhem, Battle Mage
Battousai (2) : armlx, Battousai
DragonsofSummer (2) : DragonsofSummer, the silent speaker
armlx (2) : Twomz, Haschel Cedricson
the silent speaker (1) : Coron
Max (1) : alvinz95

self voting and only self voted (3): Pokerface, killa seven, Jex

Can we get prods on Iron Man, Pokerface and Jex?

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Battousai (3) : armlx, Battousai, M4yhem
Iron Man (2): forbiddanlight, Iron Man
alvinz95 (2) : Max, Battle Mage
DragonsofSummer (2) : DragonsofSummer, the silent speaker
armlx (2) : Twomz, Haschel Cedricson
the silent speaker (1) : Coron
Max (1) : alvinz95
M4yhem (1) : Crazy

self voting and only self voted (3): Pokerface, killa seven, Jex

Still 6 self-votes.

[TDC]

On second thought, this will take forever, so I'll give you a deadline-with-a-twist:
Each week I'll remove as many players as possible from the bottom of the vote count, so that the "advancing" players still have a majority of votes shared on them. (Tied players will only be removed/advanced together).

Right now this would mean that Battousai, Iron Man, alvinz95, DragonsofSummer and armlx would advance (11 votes combined). I'll bold the currently advancing players in the upcoming vote counts.

Obviously if only one player would advance, he's the lynch anyway.

Deadline #1 will be Thursday the 25th 23:00 CET (which is in exactly 8 days).

[TDC]

That seems dumb and restrictive.

Less restrictive than a normal deadline.
More restrictive than waiting a month, sure.

[TDC]

You are restricting our choices without considering future events.

Can you elaborate? A normal deadline ends with someone being dead. This deadline ends with several people being in the running to die.

[TDC]

TDC didn't post much at all D1.

I think that as far as "players that weren't following the game" go, there would've been "better" bombs. Though that's of course just because I know I followed, looking back I see I hadn't posted much after our small discussion/in the final week, so I see how scum might've thought I wasn't following.
Why are you not voting k7 if you think he's so likely to have chosen DGB/me?

Can I vote them both and make this more like kingmaker?

Nah, just one vote.

The thing is, I take asking to be blown up as not being a joke and used by people who want out of a game they don't have time for or getting into it.

How about asking for a replacement?
Btw, do you plan on voting someone?

Who knows what will happen in the next few days we may go on a streek and hit scum back to back.

Am I reading this right, we should let you live, because we might just win the game before we are in LyLo and have to decide whether you're scum or not? (Not that you are looking as if you'd help to prevent LyLo.)

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Battousai (3) : armlx, Battousai, M4yhem
Iron Man (3): forbiddanlight, Iron Man, Crazy
alvinz95 (2) : Max, Battle Mage
DragonsofSummer (2) : DragonsofSummer, the silent speaker
armlx (2) : Twomz, Haschel Cedricson

the silent speaker (1) : Coron
Max (1) : alvinz95
Crazy (1) : Pokerface

self voting and only self voted (2): killa seven, Jex

Deadline: Thursday the 25th 23:00 CET.

Note: I'd be willing to lift this if enough people agreed with armlx and are against it. The alternative would be a regular deadline of 2 weeks (or so).

Mod: Have Iron Man and Jex picked up their prods?

[TDC]

Might as well have everyone vote on it:
Normal deadline(3): armlx, M4hem, Max
My deadline(1): Battousai

Deadline for the deadline vote (lol..) Midnight from Saturday to Sunday (again, my time)

I'd set the normal deadline to 2 weeks from that.

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Iron Man (3): forbiddanlight, Iron Man, Crazy

Battousai (3) : armlx, M4yhem, DragonsofSummer
armlx (2) : Twomz, Battousai
alvinz95 (2) : Max, Battle Mage
killa seven (2) : killa seven, Twomz
Crazy (2) : Pokerface, Haschel Cedricson
DragonsofSummer (1) : the silent speaker
Jex (1) : Jex
the silent speaker (1) : Coron
Max (1) : alvinz95

Deadline: Sunday, October 5th 12:00 CET.

TDC, are you going to throw your insane deadline style?

The vote has decided so, yes.

if they do not it will waste valuable scum-hunting time, you have just proved that...

How can this possibly have wasted "valuable scum-hunting time", when I'm the one who sets the deadline anyway?

[TDC]

He reached three votes first (I think, feel free to correct me on that one).

[TDC]

Because me being part of a mislynch will absolve everyone else on it from their responsibility.

[TDC]

I think only 4 people actually voted for the deadline vote, I don't believe that's majority.

And? I'll not wait 2 weeks just to decide which deadline method to use.

Also, TDC, since the lead vote holder only has 3 votes, which isn't majority, what would you do? Blow that person up or try and get more votes on the top candidates or something?

Well, I hope that you guys are able to get some bigger wagons going within two weeks.
I will blow up that person.

[TDC]

Crazy (3) : Pokerface, Haschel Cedricson, forbiddanlight

alvinz95 (3) : Max, Battle Mage, M4yhem
Battousai (2) : armlx, DragonsofSummer
Iron Man (2): Iron Man, Crazy
armlx (2) : Twomz, Battousai
killa seven (2) : killa seven, Twomz
DragonsofSummer (1) : the silent speaker
Jex (1) : Jex
the silent speaker (1) : Coron
Max (1) : alvinz95

Deadline: Sunday, October 5th 12:00 CET.

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Crazy (3) : Pokerface, Haschel Cedricson, forbiddanlight

alvinz95 (3) : Max, Battle Mage, M4yhem
Battousai (2) : armlx, DragonsofSummer
Iron Man (2): Iron Man, Crazy
armlx (2) : Twomz, Battousai
killa seven (2) : killa seven, Twomz
DragonsofSummer (1) : the silent speaker
Jex (1) : Jex
the silent speaker (1) : Coron
Max (1) : alvinz95

Deadline:

Sunday, October 5th 12:00 CET.

Thursday, October 2nd, 12.00 CET

Not sure why K-scope felt he'd need to short the day by 3 more days, but we'll have to deal with it.
Will try to post as much as I can think of on thursday between my and the mod's deadlines and I encourage the lynch to do the same.

That said, no votes were cast for a whole week, that's just disappointing.
Are you really going to lynch someone with just three votes?

[TDC]

Crazy (4) : Pokerface, Haschel Cedricson, forbiddanlight, armlx

alvinz95 (3) : Max, Battle Mage, M4yhem, Crazy
killa seven (2) : killa seven, Twomz
springlullaby (1): springlullaby
Battousai (1) : DragonsofSummer
armlx (1) : Battousai
DragonsofSummer (1) : the silent speaker
Jex (1) : Jex
the silent speaker (1) : Coron
Max (1) : alvinz95

Deadline: Sunday, October 5th 12:00 CET. (Two days, 90 minutes)

[TDC]

Uh, alvinz has 4 votes obviously, not 3.

[TDC]

Crazy (7) : Pokerface, Haschel Cedricson, forbiddanlight, armlx, icemanE, springlullaby, alvinz95

alvinz95 (5) : Max, Battle Mage, M4yhem, Crazy, DragonsofSummer
killa seven (2) : killa seven, Twomz
armlx (1) : Battousai
DragonsofSummer (1) : the silent speaker
the silent speaker (1) : Coron

Deadline: Thursday, October 2nd 12:00 CET. (

bit less than one day

)

[TDC]

Final Vote Count:

Crazy (7) : Pokerface, Haschel Cedricson, forbiddanlight, armlx, icemanE, springlullaby, alvinz95

alvinz95 (5) : Max, Battle Mage, M4yhem, Crazy, DragonsofSummer
killa seven (2) : killa seven, Twomz
armlx (1) : Battousai
DragonsofSummer (1) : the silent speaker
the silent speaker (1) : Coron

I'll explode Crazy close to deadline (which should be in 8 and a half hours).

I've been ill all week and it's still not getting better, but I'll try to come up with some thoughts anyway.

[TDC]

So, this is mostly from memory, because I really can't concentrate (long) enough to re-read everyone

alvinz: I do think the Crazy lynch was a better option than his lynch.
I've played with town-alvinz before, and his play here seems to be similar.

armlx: I don't know, he feels a bit off for me, but I can't really point at anything specific.
Actually I had the feeling he was standing on the sideline too much, but a short glance at his posts didn't confirm this.

BM: Disappeared today, had no issues with his play yesterday. His pushing of the Coron "case" was a bit over the top, but from what I know that's the sort of thing he regularly does.

Batt: Didn't really like the cases on him. He had this odd comment about "just read the townie pm", but other than that I don't see much wrong in him.

Coron: Has kind of disappeared as well. In fact, I think he's not really provided any content today at all. No idea why he's voting tss, either.

DoS: No issues.

fl: She was there when the Crazy wagon began rolling, but tried to jump off recently (alas, I prohibited unvotes). Didn't vote alvinz though, so I can't say she actively tried to change the lynch.

HC: No issues.

iceman: Not much to go off from (neither from him nor Jex).

k7: He's k7.

M4: No issues.

Max: Again, I can't really point to specific posts, but: While he's not the only one to ask DGB things, ask me to say something, etc, he just comes off less sincere than M4yhem and.. (I don't even remember who else was doing this?)

Pokerface: No issues, liked his entry into the game.

spring: Was one of the deciding Crazy votes, and I'll actually bring in a quote now:

I think he does looks quite scummy, especially because he doesn't seem to follow on any of his votes.

That's the whole reason for that Crazy vote, roughly a day after a "armlx and tss" vote. Hypocrisy?
And now she's changing her vote back to armlx after the deadline has passed? WTF?

tss: Is on the lurkish side, but I have no objections with what he posted.

Twomz: When I got the bomb and announced I was going to let people vote on the explosion, he had nothing better to do than

And while it's shrouded in WIFOM, TDC, you might want to put more or less weight on your target depending on if you pushed for them yesterday or not. Because realistically the mafia would want to pick a bomb they think would kill a person they want dead (2 birds with one stone), but knowing that they could pick a person who was attacking one of them to "clear" that person.

I'll trust your judgment on this one.

He then votes armlx for a small time and parks his vote on k7.


So, in conclusion, I guess I'm most suspicious off Max, springlullaby and Twomz.
alvinz, armlx and fl should be looked into but would not be my prime blowups for tomorrow.
BM and Coron need to get back to their D1 levels of contribution, k7 and tss need to start really contributing.


I'm sorry if this is a disappointment (and I guess it probably is).

[TDC]

Then again, I'm not sure if you were going to do that or not?

I have no idea how there could be confusion about whether I'll bomb the majority choice or not, I thought I made pretty clear that I would and I will (and it's Crazy)

I agree with you on one thing though: Twomz wouldn't be a bad choice.

Yet, nobody voted him at the end of the day.

[TDC]

I see.
The answer is yes, but not right away.

[TDC]

Explode: Crazy