Musician Mafia: Guitarists GAME OVER

[TiphaineDeath]

Yeah, you know what, I thought about. I took a minute, read back through parts of the icerint wagon, and I REALLY thought about it, and pook's town.

VOTE: dave

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Npom, you said that yesterday about me and DGB, when we were hard-townreading each other and trying to get the same things done. If you want to pretend to have two braincells to rub together than you need to take a serious look at yourself and re-read this game. If you don't, then I am probably going to stop bothering to read your posts.

<3.

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I went and looked at his posting during Icerint and the votecounts in that area and used my brain, I suggest you do the same.

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Welp, I didn't, and I'd been tunneled on the bear for a while so it took me longer. Also I went back and looked at the votecounts again, and I think you probably go in my townpile.

Alive player current red-green list. I think I'm down for any of the bottom five to be sent out today, but preference in given order.

Town
TiphaineDeath
pisskop
a2rudeboy
Gamma Emerald
PookyTheMagicalBear
Doctor Drew
NoPowerOverMe
Lavender
Almost50
Bambi Jay
Grendel
davesaz
Scum

Actually, I might need to put NPOM higher tbh, I think post#663 by baker hardclears him. Like, I hate it, but it probably does. That same post actually also makes it less likely that dave is also scum though unless scum are being REALLY brazen, godammit :/.

And wait, during the IKS day, there was a fifth person on the galron wagon I missed, and it was rude.

And in between vote count 3.08 and 3.09, rude hops on and off the icerint wagon while it is building.

Am I getting taken for a ride here?

What if I'm reaching for straws with bambi, and scummy behavior is just scummy.

What if there are three scum left, and they are Rude-Grendel-Bambi.

Does anyone have any reasonably concrete evidence that disputes this hypothesis? Because I've been missing stuff all over the place, and I am trying to do hard-VCA right now so I am happy for the extra input.

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Sorry, I didn't adjust that after the second set of VCA I did I just left it there. Rude was there because he's been chill and agreeing with me and I think I was getting pocketed honestly :/. Lav is low because I don't know where to put the 100% shitposter. You'll note that I pretty much threw out the list and made a new theory at the bottom of that post xD.

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I swear to fuck you are the worst player I have ever had the misfortune to be in a game with. The ONLY reason you are not the scummies sum-bitch ever is because the flipped-scum targetted you and I don't think they'd bus that hard in those situations.

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Actually, I take that back, you're the second-worst. Galron gets the prize for shooting DGB.

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@Drew, I've just been running around like a chicken sans head so much with people bringing up things I have missed that should REALLY be figuring into my calculations that I want to take a minute to get the rest of the game's input.

For now I think UNVOTE: But I want to talk about Rude/Grendel/Bambi.

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I've been calling you a VI for quite a while now, not sure that counts as lashing out, and drew, don't misrep, I just want to hear from other players in the game first, I'm trying to slow down a little.

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I feel ignored, VOTE: rude

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Also@A50, how in the hell can you not call my last set of posts bringing something new to the table xD.

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There are probably between 4 and 6 scum total depending on 3P's and power.

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Also, thank you rude xD.

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Seriously, I am within 2%of giving up and deciding you are scum again NPOM, even though EVERY piece of VCA I can find says you're not, because you can't stop spewing red every time you post.

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I really don't get how you can look at NPOM's posting and see anything that resembles reasonability or town-signals Drew. I just don't know how to explain this any more clearly. He's either scum, or unimaginable dense, and I am currently choosing to believe the second, but every once in a while it jumps out and hits me in the face, and I don't like it.

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Are you fucking kidding me? I've been saying that FOR AGES. That's not a goddamn scumslip. Have you gone full head-up-the-ass here or are you actively trolling me?

I want to vote him, because I hate that EVERYTHING HE DOES READS AS SCUM TO ME.

I haven't, because my VCA, which I am trusting more, says he is town.

This isn't that hard to understand if you try for two seconds, I swear to fuck.

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Am I the only sane one left in this game? I think the answer must be yes because it was just me and DGB and some idiot killed her....

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Oh I am 10000% throwing a tantrum, and you all deserve it xD.

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Yeah, see, that was what I was talking about with people having information that I should work in that I am forgetting about. Bambi does make more sense as 3P which means there are probably 3-4 scum not including Bambi, unless you are scum with bambi, which I think is what I originally postulated. And if there are only 5 scum total then them having huge power would make a lot of sense tbh.

I'm signing off for now, I'll take another crack at this tomorrow.

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Holdup, did rude just say that he has role info that NPOM is scum and hasn't been voting him? What? I am so lost :/

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Rude, according to the info you have, NPOM MUST be either 3P or Scum, given that you are town, yes? Either that or you are lying to us? Is there a third option here I am missing?

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Well, I'm going to say I was 100% wrong about both Grendel and Rude being scum xD.

All aboard!

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Wow, I think NPOM just scum-claimed with rude, I really think he did. I'm gonna feel real stupid about all my VI analysis in post-game huh?

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I just, I don't see the possible scum motivation to grendel stepping up and calling a 1v1 there. Unless this is the "bastard" bit and we're just gonna kill a bunch of useless-ass neutrals. Seriously, if ya'll are 3P survivors you should REALLY claim now, otherwise one of you is scum, or you're both dumb and going to both die :/.

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Robby Baca, Contortionists, and if Pook and NPOM are scum at the end of this game I am going to never, ever, EVER do any analysis again and just trust my gut to tell me who to shoot, just sayin' x_X.

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Wait, @Baker, wasn't I voting Rude?

Also, Rude, you need to claim 3P or die today, and then if you do grendel can have the same option.

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I find myself in agreement with the bear. My only issue is that this game has been so full of trolls that I'm worried we gonna flip rude and he's gonna be 3P without claiming, then we're gonna flip grendel and he's gonna be town, then we gonna cry :/. Like, I kind of wanted to kill rude and grendel before this all started, but this whole situation feels funky x_X.

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But this doesn't-make-sense. You 100% cannot both be town, otherwise you are 100% trolling, but I can't find the scum motivation for this play, at all, unless you are both scum, which, is actually kind of starting to go back to being the most likely possible reality....

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Yeah, same thing I said to rude applies to grendel, if you are 3P in all this you really do need to hardclaim it now, because it looks like we are after rude first, but if rude flips green then you're gonna die mate. Like, if he is an idiot and doesn't claim and flips gray then MAYBE you get to live, but if you're gray you gotta tell us.

Honestly at this point if rude flips red I am like 75% tempted to call this a gambit and powerlynch grendel ANYWAY.

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@A50 if they are both scum, and we believe all the things they have said, they have a hard-cleared scum player and can ride to victory. It's gutsy, but it would be a really powerful gambit actually.

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Sorry Grend, this situation is just extremely fucky, and I'm trying to look at it from your perspective and from rude's, and unless both of you are scum and gambiting, or trolls, then someone is not acting in their own best self interest. So they should either stop that, or it is reasonable to assume you are both scum here.

Even if somehow one of you is scum and the other town, (Which I don't get why the scum player would ever have voluntarily gotten into this situation in the first place, and you BOTH volunteered), then at this point the scum would have claimed 3P 100% of the time.

I just can't find reasonable realities other than you two being scum.

Then again, I am constantly disappointed as to how reality fails to be reasonable so maybe I am wrong *shrugs*, that's just what I am seeing here.

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If rude and Grendel are Both scum then Gamma is the third one. Lock-it-in. If they are not, then I know NOTHING about this game anymore and will go hide in a corner from all the stupid people.

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My Bullshit is based on an attempted gambit by Rude and Grendel, if you look at it from that point of view gamma it makes ALL the sense, and it makes ESPECIALLY more sense given that it was looking like rude was going to die anyway and scum have daytalk, so they decided to use it to hardclear grendel.

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If rude flips non-scum I will have to throw up my hands re-evaluate. I don't think there IS a third member of their trio because I think they made it up, but we'll find out shortly.

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Gamma, friend, give me a logical way that rude and grendel can both be non-trolls and non-scum, I'll listen. I've been trying to see this scenario from their perspectives and I just can't figure it out.

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If NPOM is scum you are still my number one call for his partner

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I'm pretty sure I decided a while back that I didn't want that to happen, you convinced me of it in fact . Also no one in this game listens to me and I'm VT, so I think no matter what you're pretty safe xD.

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That, was not a possibility I had considered, and I feel kind of dumb right now.

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Bambi Jay, PookyTheMagicalBear, Lavender, davesaz, Grendel, TiphaineDeath, Gamma Emerald, Almost50, pisskop are alive.
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Of those I can remove myself, and I'm gonna call grendel and pisskop locktown.

Bambi, Lav, Dave, Gamma, A50, Pooky

I have honestly been too stupid this game for my gut to be right about pooky being scum, so let's take him out.

Bambi, Lav, Dave, Gamma, A50.

Of those, Lav is a lurksack, and dave is a scumsack, and bambi's posting record is terrible, I'm going to go and try to look at all five of their voting records and come back with something useful. Once more into the breach my friends.

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Everytime I think about voting dave I go back to votecount 1.05. And while I guess it is possible that three scum immediately jumped on NPOM together and I am wifoming myself out of an obvious target here, it just honestly doesn't seem likely to me, so I'ma keep my eye on him, but bench dave from the kill-list for now.

Bambi, Lav, Gamma, A50

Votecount 1.07 is the peak of the galron counter-wagon that got ran up counter to iks. It was shifty as fuck and I think it's very likely there's a scum on it. If I am going to ignore dave, then that scum has to be A50. But if one or both of A50/Dave isn't scum based on that wagon I will be VERY surprised.

Bambi, Lave, Gamma (A50 scumpile?)

Gamma's voting record on IKS is weird, but not necessarily damning, he's on it early-mid wagon, jumps off to vote pisskop(Who I am calling locktown for how hard they've been after Drew all game), and then jumps back on at the end as the kill happens. +1 scum point, but not scumpiled yet.

Votecount 2.03 is interesting as it shows the beginning of a re-attempt to murder NPOM with Iecerint, PookyTheMagicalBear, Gamma Emerald, Starbuck. I don't think it's unreasonable for a second scum to be here with icerint, and if they are it's Gamma or pooky. Not awarding any points here, but gotta keep looking at those two.

Man, I'm trying but I am really not good at this VCA stuff, someone ressurect Titus Q_Q.

Votecount 3.05 catches my interest again as the DGB wagon forms. It's got icerint and Doctor Drew on it out of 6 people. Again, given how great getting DGB lynched would be at that moment for scumteam, I don't think it's impossible there's a third scum here, and if there is it's A50.

Given that, the Grendel counterwagon that springs up on votecount 3.06 almost HAS to be town-pushed, possibly with 0 scum on it at all, which makes me want to give Bambi, Pooky, and Dave +1 Town point.

As the icerint wagon of the day starts at votecount 3.07, gamma is there for that. If there were such a high concentration of scum on DGB, then Gamma might not want to be on DGB themselves, but defecting to a wagon on their scumbuddy that their target is pushing seems like bad play. Though by then the DGB wagon HAS fallen appart, so maybe it's just looking for shelter in a storm?

3.08 shows Drew has decided to buss icerint, and gamma is still hanging out there with 7 votes on it. In fact, as I take a break from VCA to go back and look at gamma's posting, gamma is pushing the icerint wagon along the whole way. They jump off for a moment to go after rude, but then jump back on very quickly. I think +2 townpoints for gamma here. If this was a bus it was a VERY well done bus. This is also the point where Pooky shows up and helps lynch icerint as well (not really on my list at the moment and that's kind of why +1 town point for him on the periphery.)

Chkflip gets TURBO lynched, and that is very surprising to me. Scumpoints for the back-end of this wagon. (Dave, Pooky, Lav, Pisskop) I'm still inclined to have pisskop as hardcleared though, and pooky is troll enough I maybe shouldn't even be giving him scum points for this. Dave/Lav +1 scum point. Also, first time anything read-worthy occurs with Lave at all. I hate lurkers :/.

Galron gets TURBO lynched, which he deserved, but is still a problem. Drew is on this one, so that's one scum, but lav and pooky are as well, and since he deserved this it's easy cover for scum to pile on. Again, I hate lav more than pooky here. +1 scum point to lav again.

If I think there is only one scum on the rude wagon then it is Drew, and that's easy. If I think there are two, the second one has to be A50 or Gamma, and gamma is looking really good right now. +1 scum point for A50.

Bambi, Lav, Gamma, A50

Out of these 4 I am inclined to think the last two scum are lavendar and A50, and I am more inclined to vote the person who has been under my radar the whole game but still managing to (my subconscious tells me) sound reasonable and vaguely townlike, than I am to vote the lurker.

VOTE: A50

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Also if I am wrong about either of those Bambi goes on top of the list because I just realized ABSOLUTELY NOTHING stood out to me about their voting patterns and they post like scum xD.

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Yeah, definitely also down to kill Lav today, but I'd like to hear other people's analysis.

Also @Pook, I literally cannot tell if anything you are writing is sarcasm or not anymore xD.

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Holdup one fucking minute, everyone look real close at that Role-PM Flip by Drew. First person to tell me why it's different from the other Mafia-flips we've seen and who we should be REAL suspicious of as a result gets a cookie.

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Pook, I get that you're a cult-leader, and I get that no one else is going to believe me, do you have to be so goddamn cheeky about it?

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You had one recruit shot, and you used it, and two of those people are left alive, and I think we probably have to shoot one of them or you today :/.

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K, given that lav may be pooky's cultist and A50's claim is a wierd AF move for scum, especially with just me and pook voting him, ima say we should be killing lav first, and see what that flips. VOTE: Lav

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Here's the thing, if Cult! then Pooky+Dave+Lav=cultists. If I'm being tinfoil-head again, then according to my VCA pooky+Dave are likely town. That makes me think that the safe play is to off the plant, ya' dig?

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Wait, holy fuck I'm a moron. If you read NPOM role pm then CULT IS CONFIRMED, and NPOM was one of them, which means, pooky isn't the cult-leader or he is because he is a cheeky sumbitch? AAAAAAAH Q_Q. I know nothing and trust no one!!!!!!!!

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Yeah, but it is in pooks personality as played to signal and/or claim cult when he is cult and just have different culting methods/targets.

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I can't imagine that's true and will decline to believe that interpretation unless mod confirms it. Also the shot on NPOM implies scum are more scared of cult than town right now, and I don't blame them xD.

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Yeah, I really didn't want to, but this has got to be the only viable option at this point. VOTE: pook

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I doubt the mod is going to clarify but if

@Baker

feels like confirming for us that the cult win-condition does not create a loss for town, I am willing and happy to hear it.

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Cult is def survivors, question is whether if they become 50% or greater and end the game is town still wins, and it doesn't seem likely.

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If there's only one scum left what do you think the odds are that it is A50 and that claim is a desperation gambit?

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Yeah @pisskop, that's why I'm feeling a little iffy on A50 still. If what they are saying is true then just claiming doctor, or like, some weird watcher or tracker variant to avoid getting CCed, seems WAY better than what they did.

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Yeh, I still don't think it's gonna happen, but if baker comes in here and tells me to shoot A50 I totally will xD.

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Except, clearly in this game, groupscum were recruitable.

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Yeah, honestly whoever is cult right now probably serves their wincondition best in either scenario by claiming. Scum will never shoot you, and if we believe you then town never lynches you either, and you make us all winning the game much easier.

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I think the lack of the pitter-patter of little cultist feet coming to my doorstep this morning tells me everything I need to know about whether they are town aligned or not. It's gotta be pook or lav today :/.

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Given your personality, I really, REALLY can.

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Though it could also be Bambi I guess :/.

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Alright, I will accept what baker just posted as the cult not needing to be killed, in fact, it might even mean that their creation is a scum-ability rather than having an actual cult-leader lurking around.

I want targets from Lav and Pisskop please, and Dave and gamma should claim.

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VOTE: A50

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@Pooky, why aren't you?

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No, it was why wasn't he voting A50, though I would like an answer to A50's question now that he brought it up. If you guys didn't shoot Drew, who did?

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Town
TiphaineDeath
Grendel
Lavender

Tow-Cult
Pisskop
Gamma Emerald


???
PookyTheMagicalBear
Bambi Jay
Almost50
davesaz

Of these ima say that pooky and A50 cannot be scum together, and bambi is the least likely to be scum of the lot given their claim, which makes dave the lynch for today. If game is still on tomorrow Bambi and A50 need to be taken serious looks at despite their claims.

VOTE: dave

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#WorstVoteEverContest

An entrant appears!

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Hey bambi, scumclaiming, trolling, or just dumb? Help me out here, because dave's answer was obvious.

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Children's book chapter one

See Dave Flail

Flail Dave Flail

Dave is good at Flailing

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^Shit one entire cow^

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Leai was scum, you were scum, I've been saying for a while that the only reason you're not is one single vote where you were voting with two confirmed scum, and, honestly, I've talked myself out of that mattering.

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Why haven't we killed Dave Yet? This game is stalled AF.

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The longer dave stays alive the longer I think me and grendel and maybe pooky are the only town left in this stupid game Q_Q.

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Honestly I don't know what kinda game the scum and assorted 3P are playing anymore and I'm kinda tired of it. I have having fun when I was doing VCA and felt like I had caught people, which apparently I had, it was just MORE 3Ps. At this point I'm pretty checked out, sorry fam x_X.

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Grendel, you are my only town read left. I know nothing. Let the fuckers kill each other.

VOTE: no lynch

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Grendel, if you honestly don't think I am town aligned at this point then I cannot help you xD.

It could be A50, or Bambi, or fucking lavender for all I know.

Gun to my head I'd probably vote A50, but I doubt it'd do us much good even if I'm right.

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3 different alignments being SK/Scum/Jester? That'd be kinda fuckin' hilarious wouldn't it?

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Even if he is SK I'm not convinced I should be voting to kill anyone. There are like, three night killing roles of different alignment among 7 people. I can't imagine why poor old me caught in the crossfire over here would help you all murder each other knowing I'm next xD.

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Gamma Emerald (Cult)
Lavender (Possible scum doctor)
Bambi Jay (Possible scum wierd global nonsense)
TiphaineDeath (Me)
Grendel (Town Vig or SK)
Almost50 (3P or Scum)
pisskop (Cult+)

Like, if I am going to vote someone it's A50, Bambi, or Lav. Killing the possible SK seems dumb today, and I have no idea who the scum are out of those three.

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I got no fucking idea. I got no ideas left, I got nothing.

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Fuckit, ya' know what, I believe grendel. And if I believe grendel, and I believe lav, then bambi is Full of shit.

VOTE: bambi

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BambiJuice!

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I mean, I'd also be fine with lynching the cult leader today, but the good money says that's gamma, not pisskop if that's the direction you want to go xD.

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Hey A50, vote bambijuice with me

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The more pisskop posts, the more I want to vote gamma emerald, and be ok with the scum winning xD.

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Yeah, fuck you both <3

VOTE: gamma

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You wanna fuckin' bait me? I will snap that shit off.

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By which I mean I will invariably commit honorable sudoku because no one is gonna vote with me, except maybe A50, and he's probably a scumfuck xD.

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@Grendel: two reasons behind the vote 1. They dared me to and that pissed me off. 2. We don't know that when they win town wins with them, and there may well be three of them right now if bambi is the third, so any lynch outside cult may end the game in favor of cult and not with town.

@Grendel: I am not sure A50 is scum. I am not sure of anything in this game anymore. I think I've made that pretty clear.

@Grendel: When I'm scum I am WAAAAY more tunnely than this, and probably a smidge less paranoid. It's self-meta, but hey, you asked for it xD.

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Hey guys, do you think it's reasonable to assume there are two scum left in this game?

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Whatever, cult deserves this win

VOTE: A50

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I feckin' wish I was culted, you know how easy the cult have it to win in this game right now? xD

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I CANNOT FUCKING BELIEVE that I bought that claim for so long A50, fucking hell. I did ALL the work to find you, and then just fucked off when you went "nope it's not me."