Epilogue! - [Endgame]

[Akarin]

If I end up the last single lady I effectively get to vig one of the boys, is there a reason not to be last?

[Akarin]

Gleefully accepts!

[Akarin]

Can we just retheme "lovers" to "beards"?

[Akarin]

u all hate me but im jesus

[Akarin]

By suicide do you mean going out in the rain without an umbrella?

And do you actually want to pair with Firebringer, or are you just seeing this as taking one for the team?

[Akarin]

I ship this but I don't want FakeGod to enable it.

Forbidden love is so much better.

[Akarin]

@Shelly

You know Isis and I can't actually pair up, right?

Have you seen the movie

Portrait of a Lady on Fire

? It's like that.

[Akarin]

god that's a great film

It was hands down my favorite movie last year. Every single frame of that movie was gorgeous.

PPE: No, they didn't let Shyamalan direct it.

[Akarin]

Aside from the avatar, why such a strong read on Drew?

[Akarin]

That is such a fetch nickname.

[Akarin]

i read the thread and feel reasonably confident to give my GTH reads on the playerlist:
...

Too many townreads

Dunnstral is scum; too many townreads is a town tell. He is gaslighting us into calling it a scum tell.

Shelly is town.

To those who've played with DrippingGoofball, is this normal for her?

[Akarin]

How do we vote during predance.

{vote}Bell{/vote}
But use square brackets instead.

[Akarin]

The game took a dark turn this page.

[Akarin]

This game is hell for social anxiety.

[Akarin]

why do you feel anxiety Akarin? I think only the gentlemen should feel anxious at this point :3

I mean about trying to get into the game in general. I kind of liked the idea of getting to hold two of your lives in my hands if I were the last to pick, but the actual social dynamics of the game have really been reinforcing that outsider feeling and it's been hard to get into things.

[Akarin]

who isn't in love with Isis?

Some people are in denial presumably.

[Akarin]

Yeah, I liked the idea but at this point I do have my eye on a particular gentleman.

I just want him to propose first because of

traditional gender roles

insecurity about whether I'm liked or not.

[Akarin]

Is it me

[Akarin]

also it's better to get a read on unconfirmed people

You'd think that, but 4/5 Eligible Bachelors are extremely focussed on trying to chat up Isis and not on trying to engage with me, Taylor, or Shelly.

[Akarin]

@Akarin, hi, are you scum?

Yes, but I'm worried people are catching onto our townread people for trying to pair with Isis and then leave Isis alive for WiFoM plan. Tone it down a bit.

[Akarin]

I see, is there anyone in this game you've played with before and have confidence reading?

Yes and sortof

[Akarin]

What is this accomplishing exactly?

What I was actually meaning by people should engage with each other more was for the people who weren't really familiar with each other to figure out if they were compatible in terms of personality to talk in the PTs later.

It's Dunn and not to be all high school dance about it but I'm not sure if he actually likes me or not (unrelated to reads I mean, like as a person) or thinks I can read him, although I'd rate myself at more able to read him than I could the other guys.

And why should I reveal my read on hopeful partner?

PPE: like 6 or something, more every time I submit

[Akarin]

What is your favorite song to dance to?

[Akarin]

better question i guess is why are you using a PT to scumhunt when you have the option to scumhunt in main thread or scumhunt in a private notes doc

To me it's the same idea as why Hydras are fun, or Masons. There's a lot of stuff you can say in semi-private that for various reasons you don't want to say in public. Stuff that'll get you scumread by certain players, but also times when I just want to let something sit until a certain player responds or weird observations that you don't want to become the focus of the thread but sort of want to note for later.

Having another sentient being is nice because they can serve as a sanity check, and someone to vent to when someone is being ridiculous but saying that in the thread would just fan the flames rather than actually be productive.

[Akarin]

Also, you guys realise that I am going to claim to be literally every person that you guess I am, right?

Nice to see you again, Ank.

[Akarin]

That makes me frowny Akarin

I KNOW!

I especially feel guilty because I was in a hydra with her when I siteflaked and I promised her I'd never abandon our hydra and then I did and I feel terrible about it but I can't actually apologize.

[Akarin]

@Dunn: I mean it's up to you but my thought is that over time things become clearer anyway, and yeah, I'm being a bit cagey right now. I'm happy to try to give opinions on anything in particular if you want.

[Akarin]

but u arent in a hydra or a mason where alignment is guaranteed

That's true, but if you end up getting a correct townread on your partner it's the same thing, and even with an INCORRECT town read some of those things are still true, like having someone to complain about the game to when you don't want to say it in the main thread. I agree that scumreading your partner removes this but if everyone in the game scumreads their partners we're going to lose.

PTs have a lot of utility, and just because not everyone is going to get that utility isn't a reason to forbid them to everyone.

Regardless, you can't make me.

[Akarin]

That is one of my favorite artists.

I especially like this one:

Between this and board games you are a pretty good bear. It's a shame about your massive enthusiasm for suicide in this game.

[Akarin]

while it might be slightly +good for you to have a vent buddy if they are town wouldn't it be mega mega mega -ev to expose yourself to someone like that ? especially if you choose to use your pt as a sanity checker and vent zone. that's basically handing over control of your animalian brain you know what i mean. your kinda doing a reverse lottery where usually you profit but in the scenario you don't, wall street crashes and we have a great depression

A vent buddy is

hugely, enormously

plus good for me. And frankly would be even if they were scum. It's not like scum can mind control me just by being a jerk in the PT, and I think the number 1 thing I'm inclined to vent about are actually town reads that I think are being jerks/idiots. Usually I won't be talked out of my town read just because I'm not getting along with a person, but I may be able to work with them better if I talk about them.

If I kept a set of private notes and then gave it to the mod to paste in the scum PT, I'm not really sure that'd be much of an advantage anyway, at least from me. It'd help with NK targeting I guess, but there's only 1 of those all game anyway.

[Akarin]

Akarin, may I have this dance?

Oh joyous day, to see my Dunnstral fair
With Inuyasha proud under his name
To read that bolded text he posted there
Those are the words I’ve waited for all game

Do I envy those that on page two
Were ask’d at once and instantly agreed?
So quick to partner up, no matter who
They worried not for plans but only speed

While you, dear Dunn, content to wait it out
To read each post, examine ev’ry line
And take the chance us girls would bring about
your swift demise, and now the choice is mine

May you have this dance? Will I acquiesce?

I’ve got my fancy dress and I say yes.

[Akarin]

Well, also to see if Akarin accepts me

well with no open offers, i dont think akarin is turning you down lol

Rude.

[Akarin]

Dunn Akarin is like ok but maybe I should slow down and think whether dunn or Akarin would better serve some other pairing

Oh, sorry Isis.
I was working on my sonnet and then I just got excited and posted it when finished. I thought you'd suggested it before anyway, and I do actually think I have better odds of reading Dunn correctly than I do the others. And I'd bet he could read me better too.

[Akarin]

It's that I've played multiple games with Dunn, and in that Anime game where I was a hydra with Krazy we got into a big debate about him, I think I was right, and I spent a bunch of time reading old Dunn games, whereas I've never played with the other guys unless you count an ongoing Splendor game with Pooky (it's okay to acknowledge boardgames with no hidden information exist, right?)

[Akarin]

Are you mad with power yet Taylor?

[Akarin]

It's down to you two, Taylor and Shelly

You get to choose from Hectic, Bell, and Pooky.

Whichever one neither of you pick dies.

Sorry for contributing to the game exploding.

[Akarin]

I don't know what Firebringer sees in him.

[Akarin]

Pooky really seem the most actively suicidal to me.

Between the pledge and the reluctance to propose to anyone and the wanting to suicide in pre-dance even though that's anti-wincon as either alignment.

I really want to townread him for it.

[Akarin]

[Akarin]

I'd like for people to engage about 1580 pls

DGB doesn't have to given her unfortunate position

I thought that was the whole reason anyone was actually scumreading Drew, other than Deleuze.

[Akarin]

Like if anything doesn’t it make drew more likely to be town?

Why?

[Akarin]

Everyone ignored it before, but the whole "gaslighting" thing when Dunn was townreading Shelly seemed really off to me. I'd wanted to know if this was standard DGB behavior or not and got no response.

i read the thread and feel reasonably confident to give my GTH reads on the playerlist:
...

Too many townreads

Dunnstral is scum; too many townreads is a town tell. He is gaslighting us into calling it a scum tell.

Shelly is town.

To those who've played with DrippingGoofball, is this normal for her?

VOTE: DGB-Drew btw
Execute -2 I believe

[Akarin]

Isis, want me to unvote if it gets do E-1?

[Akarin]

DGB, what's the case on Deleuze?

And do you still stand by the gaslighting thing?

[Akarin]

I wasn't bah-bahing until the thing I asked about that everyone pointedly ignored. That really pinged me but I wondered if it might be a personality thing.

The lack of response further pings me.

The Drew signup lie thing isn't as open-and-shut to me as I think it is to some people, but it

is

something that kind of bugs me. And Pooky being the one pointing it out doesn't help.

[Akarin]

This:

My last two games on site I have played with her.

did you hit it off to the extent that you would expect her to be this enthusiastic about dancing with you right from the get-go?

I chose the last lady spot because I felt one of DGB/Hectic/Pooky would ask me for a dance. There is more to it, but involves ongoing so I will stop there

I chose the last lady spot because I felt one of DGB/Hectic/Pooky would ask me for a dance. There is more to it, but involves ongoing so I will stop there

didn't you sign up before me

PookyTheMagicalBear, who was aligned with

Mafia

, has

left

in

pre-dance

.

[Akarin]

You know, the thing Isis wanted more people to talk about.

And yeah, literal wall cases are dumb, I just meant what's your reasoning on Deleuze, DGB?

Also, it sucks feeling like you're not being listened to. I was getting some of that real-life yesterday. Talk to me!

[Akarin]

Do you have any reasons at all? Like in brief?

And do you stand by your earlier comment about Dunn gaslighting with the "too many town reads" thing?

[Akarin]

Yeah, I thought you were akarin

she's probably gonna get so insulted she NKs you now tbh

If I NK anyone it's gonna be Drew so I don't have to look at that avatar ever again.

[Akarin]

are people voting dgb/dd more for dgb or dd?

I get the impression that more people are there for Drew, I'm not sure though.

I'm more there for DGB although I agree that last post was pretty good.

The other thing that gets me is how my asking about the Dunn thing keeps getting ignored still, and it was the other day and then again when it was brought up by someone else. And Pooky was one of the people who kept the game moving past that without acknowledging it.

The Pooky bit is maybe a bit tinfoil hat I admit, but still.

[Akarin]

Also, eyepatches are in right now. You should really get one, Isis.

[Akarin]

i read the thread and feel reasonably confident to give my GTH reads on the playerlist:
...

Too many townreads

Dunnstral is scum; too many townreads is a town tell. He is gaslighting us into calling it a scum tell.

Shelly is town.

To those who've played with DrippingGoofball, is this normal for her?

By the way, I never said Shelly was scum for this. DGB isn't looking at context and is rushing to discredit me, for... reasons. Probably since I want her poorly formed pair out.

It should be obvious why I'm saying there's too much town if you think about it. There's 4 scum in this game, and excluding me, Shelly is townreading everyone but four players, and some of those are null reads

At the time of DGB's post, Dunn had already said he was townreading Shelly. I didn't cut anything out of the Dunn post, he just said "too many town reads."

DGB also keeps not wanting to comment on if she still agrees with her previous thought.

[Akarin]

well put it on so you don’t see me claiming scum in my next post

Why is this not your avatar yet???

[Akarin]

"Too many town reads" is two things. First, it's a huge town tell, what scum in their right mind is working to restrict their credible voting options? Two, scum hates townies town reading each other, what better way to neutralize this inconvenience by proclaiming "a lot of town tells is a scum tell"?

Yes except Dunn didn't say that.

I think it's a valid reason to townread Shelly.

None of this post has anything to do with what I've been repeatedly asking.

The question is:

is this still part of the reason you think Dunn is scum?

[Akarin]

Isis, will you wear an eyepatch for me?

(and also may I have this dance?)

[Akarin]

Who was it that said the flirting would stop after the pre-dance phase?

[Akarin]

Surprised Bell has nothing to contribute to this important discussion.

[Akarin]

Firebringer, you made it awkward and then I didn't shut you down and now the whole game will be awkward forever and it's all your fault.

[Akarin]

I actually doubt that, Isis. I think scum!Pooky really did want to dance with you, even if he was scum. The proposal of a soul deathpact was in jest and it's kinda tinfoily to assume he was trying to put you off pairing with him by suggesting it.

The important thing is that Pooky did not propose to anyone else until he was in F3 and had to. I did the same. We've both locked ourselves into a very bad position there which we didn't have to. It's plausible if Pooky is the lone scum in the F3, it's not as dire. But it's especially bad if it's 2 scum in the F3. If we're both scum, I probably pair with shelly or Tayl0r far, far earlier, or Pooky probably actually proposes to anyone else.

1) As a girl, it was a

huge

turnoff to choosing Pooky when he did that. It seemed possibly real enough, especially with all the suicide talk around it I immediately crossed him off potential partners list when he made that soul deathpact.

2) It was Final 4 with Isis, me, Taylor, and Shelly on page 21,

4 and a half hours

after the game opened.

[Akarin]

So like winding up in the Final 3 because of some big gambit on Isis is complete BS.

[Akarin]

@Akarin: Why does Pooky being the one to point out the lie make it worse?

Because my initial thought when he said that was "+ townpoints for Pooky, he's obviously trying to sort Drew and took the time to go back and check that."

Pooky flipping scum makes me worry "oh, Pooky was very aware of this not making sense and wanted to be the one to call it out."

Not saying it

couldn't

be Pooky trying to throw some shade on town!Drew, but I just feel like it's something easy to forget the order of. I think scum are very aware of partner lies, even if those lies are accidental.

[Akarin]

I really appreciated (I think it was Akarin?) asking me about my meta but actively not alt!hunting

I don't remember if I did that or not, but don't read too much into my not actively alt hunting.

Spoiler: I've already figured out who you are

[Akarin]

I got a kind of bad feeling from some of her questioning of DGB yesterday where I felt like she wanted to look like she was being town (hunting, searching) more than asking questions she really needed the answers to.

DGB still never clarified if her "gaslighting" thing is actually still part of her scumread on Dunn.

She keeps dodging talking about that.

[Akarin]

the universe is said to be infinitely large and constantly expanding, but it's only infinitely large because it's constantly expanding... that is, if it wasn't always moving forward, it wouldn't be considered infinite... it would have an outer bounds. It does have an outer bounds, it's just impossible to ever go out and visit it.

I don't think this is actually true.

It's a some-infinities-are-larger-than-others thing and you kind of blow the universe up like a balloon and everything gets further apart.

[Akarin]

VC I.patch

DrippingGoofball - Doctor Drew [5] - Dunnstral, shellyc, MariaR, Hectic, Akarin
deleuzional - Ydrasse [2] - Tayl0r Swift, beeboy
Hectic - shellyc [2] - Isis, Oka
MariaR - The Bulge [1] - Firebringer
Dunnstral - Akarin [1] - DGB
OkaPoka - Firebringer [0] -
beeboy - Isis [0] -
Bell - Tayl0r Swift [0] -

Not Voting [5] - deleuzional, Bell, The Bulge, Ydrasse, Doctor Drew

With 16 alive it takes 9 votes to execute.

[Akarin]

Pagetoped it and everything.

You're welcome, FG

[Akarin]

fire - you still think im scum even now?
why is hectic scum?

yes ur interactions with me have been very sus

Which interactions did you mean here, FB?

[Akarin]

which is why im considering we just dust ourselves because if everyone else wants to send bell and taylor to the finals and both of us want them dead now, i mean lol

What happened to

anyways wrt to suicides, i would prefer if all eliminations happened the old fashion way of voting but with that being said i don't want to bog down the thread with reminders not to leave the dance especially if i have to direct that energy at people i am actively seeking to eliminate you know

[Akarin]

It's like the one part of your mech talk I was really agreeing with, so it'd make me really sad to see you break decorum like that.

[Akarin]

im also a bit concerned about my partner but not yet. i want to give him time so he can come in and post. if the posts are bad then i just leave and make it easy.

No, make us vote you out of the dance!

[Akarin]

So looking at how people who were off wagon acted around it:

Oka

is by far the

least

suspicious. He calls the wagon lame, votes Maria. Argues a bunch that we should flip other people first. He

does

call them inevitable, but also calls the wagon semi-policy and actually argues with both Shelly and FB that they should be voting Oka-FB instead of DGB-DD. He doesn't like DGB's reentrance or Dunn push and thought it was weird people were townleaning her for it. Oka scumread it. But then doesn't like the "caught for the wrong reasons" suggestion from Ydrasse and isn't sure what makes sense in DGB-scum world. He sheeps Isis onto Shelly, implies it's a pressure vote, then gives Drew a deadline but suggests hammering anyway. Firebringer beats him to it.

[Akarin]

Deleuze

doesn’t look too bad. He fought with DGB about her scumread of him, first being unjustified and then the case itself. I thought DGB was being ridiculous here too, it doesn't feel like shading. He defended Drew about the signup thing, actually saying it made him

more

towny. For a bit he wasn't sure if DGB was scum and kind of soft defended her. Thought Drew's be back later post was scummy. He wanted to flip either DGB-DD or Oka-FB but hadn't voted yet, and at this point thought DGB and Oka were both townish, just not their partners. The DGB town read strengthens and Deleuze doesn't like the wagon or the way it seems pre-determined. But thinks Drew is scummy. His first vote of the day is to sheep Isis & Oka onto Shelly-Hectic, then he votes Drew 1 minute after Firebringer hammered.

[Akarin]

Both

Bell

and

Bulge

did post a decent amount while the wagon was a thing, neither mentioned it at all.

[Akarin]

Taylor

actually has the worst interactions with the DGB/DD wagon if we're looking off-wagon: She voted DGB-DD at the start of the day, right after Dunn. Shelly follows her onto the wagon, a wild FB appears and votes Maria, then Taylor moves her vote to FB. (Oka was also on Maria-Bulge.)

Taylor says this

dgb why are you so confident drew is town? because as i see it youre defending yourself/being aggressive, but most people suspect drew and youre pseudo-defending him without really mentioning him

then DGB says she isn't confident Drew is town but wants time to read him. At which point Taylor follows DGB onto Deleuze. She pushes Deleuze a bit more that afternoon, says it's not a meme and she does scumread him. Doesn't want to talk about the reasons but encourages other people to join her on Deleuze. Suggests it's a DGB,Maria,Delueze team after DGB votes Dunn.

[Akarin]

I found Dunn hilarious in that whole section of game, like 3 or 4 posts made me laugh, ya'll just don't appreciate him enough.

[Akarin]

Also, Shelly, just want to point out again,

2) It was Final 4 with Isis, me, Taylor, and Shelly on page 21, 4 and a half hours after the game opened.

[Akarin]

So yeah, I think I'm gonna
VOTE: Bellswizzle

Seems pretty fetch

[Akarin]

imo

that slot should endgame but im in the minority here

Well my original thought was Maria-Buldge, but Dunn doesn't actually want to do that right now and I'm willing to sheep him on that all day long. Taylor's suggestion about the off-wagon stuff had me looking at that (see all the posts I just made, sort of a de-constructed wall). Her focus on Oka and Delueze seemed weird to me because neither had struck me that way as the last couple real life days played out.

When I looked into it,

Taylor

actually seems much scummier to me from that whole angle, and the fact that she suggested it bothers me more.

My main hesitation was the same as yours, I don't think Taylor can be scum unless it was Taylor-Pooky-Bell, but I really think you're overselling how disorganized they'd have to be to end up in that position.

[Akarin]

it's probably for the best (for me at least) to see this pair go because i cannot get rid of the like, instinct i've had all game that maria is scum. bulge doesn't give me any feelings whatsoever so like, sure, okay goodbye.

i

I still think shelly is playing to her townmeta. I've yet to see a scum!shelly game like this one; one where she's not aggressively pushing her scumreads are arguing with people. Her tone is also more relaxed and casual than her scumgame, where she's very blunt and antagonising. This

could

be the game where she turns that meta all around, but I'm not betting money on it.

VOTE: maria-bulge

Neither has given me reason to think they're town.

I still think Fire is sus and his reaction to Oka didn't convince me.

How come MariaR - The Bulge feels like an RVS wagon?

[Akarin]

Um, didn't really mean to quote those.

How come MariaR - Buldge feels like an RVS wagon?

[Akarin]

I just made coffee with some 14€ (I guess like 16 USD?) beans that I ground at home with my aeropress and it’s honestly pretty mindblowingly good

I didn’t actually mean to buy coffee this nice, I just picked the one I wanted and assumed it would be like an upper limit of 8€ lmao

I know the taste can be a lot better with fancy coffeemakers so maybe I should be notLazy

I'll talk about the game in a sec, but this is the important conversation.

You don't need a fancy coffee maker to make coffee better than a Keurig or whatever. I just use a cone where you put the coffee in the cone with a filter and pour hot water over it and it is

way

better than coffee machine coffee and is notfancy.

I think the more important thing is splurging just a bit on the beans, and if you can find a relatively local place to get beans roasted, a lot of times that's best just because they were roasted very recently, although mail order also works.

Grinding them yourself is definitely an improvement, but if you go through them fast enough, getting good beans that get ground when you buy them (like at most coffee roaster type places) is like 80% as good and can be effort/extra-stuff-you-have-to-buy saving.

Theres a lot you can do to have way better coffee without having to go Full Hipster.

Those drip coffee machines are the worst.

[Akarin]

I’m standing by hectic-shelly is the best flip if you want a pair where either/both could be scum

Fire-oka is best if you want the most likely pair to contain /a/ scum

Your read on Fire is that strong?

[Akarin]

so, a lot of my takes have been ambivalent thus far + i’m aware of that; i brought up as much in my pt when leuz was getting worried about me and how much i was trying to solve at some point (wherein i was only answering questions on things rather than offering takes) and that’s my fault for not getting as Into this as i should have post-dance pairing choosing phase. for the most part a lot of how i feel about things is based on vague sentiments/gutping rather than any fleshed out cases so i’ve been spewing my thoughts into my pt a lot more than here so i don’t feel as dumb for saying shit that might be wildly incorrect or rooted in little things

What's the thing you've asked or said that you most wanted to get a response but never did, or didn't get enough of one?

[Akarin]

And if they’re town I probably don’t bother putting in this much effort it redirect away from them when I could just get on board and would be indistinguishable afterwards from the town who genuinely thought they were scum and who were just wrong

If you were scum and someone pointed out after the fact you were like the 6th vote onto T-T Maria-Bulge and you didn't give a reason for getting them that high, how would you explain your vote after the fact?

[Akarin]

So in the partner picking phase everyone was talking about how PTs are soooo good for pocketing people and we should talk in the thread more.

But now basically everyone has lock townreads on their partners based on super sekrit PT talk.

And saying stuff like "I townread them because they weren't trying to pocket me in the PT" but apparently based on other stuff in the PT which is in fact pocketing people.

What's going on?

[Akarin]

People are being pocketed probably

At this stage though, it's just less optimal to want to kill your own pairing, given there's only 1 unknown compared to 2 in all other pairings. Unless you have a good scumread.

Sure, I get that, just it seems read strength on partners is really unreasonably high across the board.

Unless there's like a S-S pair and BeeBoy or something,

someone

has got to be wrong.

[Akarin]

I want to see something of real value from beeboy.

Like an opinion on coffee preparation methods, or a review of whatever movie Deleuze is watching once he tells us what it was. Maybe a nice song or reposting the Isis-sunglasses avatar again.

[Akarin]

i feel like dunny is weirdly angry at people in this game.
am i tonereading dunny right.

i can almost never tell when dunny holds emotions his messages usually feel void of emotion.

I feel like a lot of his posts have been typed while smirking. Especially a few pages back.

[Akarin]

I am not sure when I became mama isis but that seems like something that has happened

It's when you stopped becoming pops

I think Akarin has permanently cursed me by informing me that your posts might have jokes in them if I think to notice them, because I think I'm going to cringe at the ones she laughs at.

Your cringe only makes it funnier.

[Akarin]

@Ydrasse

so, a lot of my takes have been ambivalent thus far + i’m aware of that; i brought up as much in my pt when leuz was getting worried about me and how much i was trying to solve at some point (wherein i was only answering questions on things rather than offering takes) and that’s my fault for not getting as Into this as i should have post-dance pairing choosing phase. for the most part a lot of how i feel about things is based on vague sentiments/gutping rather than any fleshed out cases so i’ve been spewing my thoughts into my pt a lot more than here so i don’t feel as dumb for saying shit that might be wildly incorrect or rooted in little things

What's the thing you've asked or said that you most wanted to get a response but never did, or didn't get enough of one?

[Akarin]

Oka is significantly townier than Isis.

[Akarin]

Oka is significantly less charming than Isis.

[Akarin]

How come MariaR - Buldge feels like an RVS wagon?

how's that?

Thank you for asking!

What I meant was that there were a couple sort of shruggy half-assed reasons for getting on MariaR-Bulge at the time, which was fine, then several more people got on without any reasons at all. It felt like that start of day 1 thing where you run an RVS wagon up high just to see what happens, but it didn't really make sense.

And, like, I get where that comes from a bit, neither of you had said much, and I'd had some worries about Maria too, but there were other things going on and it seemed weird people were just jumping on it so nonchalantly still. I think you were up to 5 votes when I said that.

And then later on Deleuze said something about he could have just got on it too if he were scum, but would the wagon really go all the way to kicking you off the dance floor like that? I doubt it.

[Akarin]

Yes, but we don't have 10 pages of whispering sweet nothings about how towny we find each other like some people apparently do.

It's like 1/3 Dunn, 2/3 me in terms of post count.

[Akarin]

how come you never mentioned anything about that again once it was clear nobody was asking you to elaborate?

Because it has felt, off and on, like that's how everything I say all game is.

And I did bring it up in a way in response to Deleuze.

[Akarin]

Like it wasn't the most important thing I ever said or anything, but I've had trouble really engaging with people other than about joke stuff.

[Akarin]

whatchu guys talking about

Eyepatches.

[Akarin]

Nah, sometimes I don't want to derail the thread onto whatever it is when something more important is playing out.

[Akarin]

[Akarin]

Bell actually has a shocking number of posts in the game thread as well.

[Akarin]

which is like, why i am keeping a lot of my thoughts in the pt because i feel insane posting stuff like this LMAO

I kind of dig that about the PTs too. Like I was saying to Oka before, feel like there's sometimes stuff you just want to bounce around without really committing to making it a topic of conversation for the thread.

But I mean, like is there something where you tried to get into the game and you just felt kind of ignored or like you wanted people to engage with you about something but they didn't?

[Akarin]

can you tell me what one of them are about?
can you describe what more of them are about than I can?
These are the same question

I'm not sure I remember a single one.

[Akarin]

Hence the "shocking" when I clicked the activity thing

[Akarin]

oh uh... no i don’t feel ignored or anything on that front? like if i started posting more here people would interact with me and not ice me out. it’s more a matter of i need to do it here more.

Oh, well that's good at least!

I'm trying to come up with something to ask you but I'm unbelievably tired and can't sleep.

I think you have a nice eyepatch.

[Akarin]

oh yeah, it was down to the final 4 pairings after like 4 hours of irl game time.

I feel like that's important and people keep reading the game like there was some serious amount of time for planning between game start and it being down to the last few pairings and that's not true.

[Akarin]

It's okay, you can always look at Drew's avatar and think "wow, that is obvscum"

The flip is irrelevant.

[Akarin]

fwiw i feel... better about my current vote than i did when i had it on maria/bulge but i’m not certain about much this game. depending on how the hectic/shelly pair respond i might change this, i’m amenable right now to voting off firebringer’s pair just because i like... idk, bad vibes? an absence of a townread?

i’m a little unsure of you and your pair in the present, dunn’s effort though is like... i’m so unused to it i’m still floundering and leaning a tiny bit town and in general while i wouldn’t feel Great about you two endgaming i feel better about you two and like, doubly so if there’s a red flip in hectic/shelly .

I've been wanting to reevaluate Shelly, I keep saying this in the PT and then not doing it. She was my top townread at one point and I don't actually remember why and haven't felt that way about recent posts. But for the longest time it's actually been Hectic of the two of them that I was more suspicious of. Hectic really like towncased the crap out of... Taylor? I think it was before he proposed to her (the proposal that wasn't accepted. It seemed weird to me how that read went.

Oka is sooooo town. I'm not sure on FB but I don't really get what everyone else is saying and I

do

kind of get what he was getting at with the being ignored by Taylor thing, I thought it would be BS but I looked back and I can kind of see it.

I think Dunn really likes dances.

[Akarin]

I'm glad Gamma is townreading Taylor.

[Akarin]

OKA IS AN ADDICT, BE CAREFUL NOT TO GIVE HIM ANY SPICY TAKES ON THE GAME

[Akarin]

I think my interactions with Isis are probably TT. I know she claimed scum at one point, but still I just don't buy it off the Teetee nees of the interactions...

[Akarin]

As long as you aren't a wizard, we cool

[Akarin]

hates

[Akarin]

so uhh moral of the story is pt sucks

stop being wrong in the middle of making good points

[Akarin]

Just gotta get a few more widows to make the pile a bit taller so you can see far enough out to sea to see what you can see.

[Akarin]

Isis is an authority figure though.

[Akarin]

If the game runs out of time and at least one Mafia is still alive, then Mafia wins.
First dance will end if there are 12 players or fewer left alive or deadline is reached. During the intermission, Mafia may secretly force one of the dance pairs to leave. Second dance will then begin, and continue until the game's end.

What does this have to do with whether despair-leaving is a good idea or not?

[Akarin]

Oh wait would Pooky had had to have taken away scum!Bell's partner?
I think I didn't get it before

Yeah, so if there's scum in Tayor-Bell, either

a) scum!Taylor was trying a gambit for big towncred (Firebringer's theory)
b) Bell and Pooky were scum so town!Taylor had no choice, and Pooky was willing to sacrifice himself
c) Pooky, Bell, and Taylor were all scum (I'm torn between this and B, but leaning this right now)

and obviously d) none of the above and the pair is T-T

[Akarin]

No, I mean that I don't know why you didn't think it was off that Pooky wasn't going big scale charming on Isis. Rather than just, "meh, pair with me Isis I really wanna"
If he had he wouldn't be dead RN probably or at least some other lady would have seen the depths of his love for others and been charmed into accepting him instead.

I found Pooky charming and actually had a townlean on him but I would have been

extremely

hesitant to pair with him.

[Akarin]

So I don't think it's worth talking about who we want for Last Pair™ until after the Intermission, but who is it that y'all just can't imagine being in?

No matter how I look at it, I can't imagine a world where both Gamma and Bell town it up enough that I'm free enough of paranoia about both of them as far as the end of pre-dance stuff with Pooky goes. As much as my actual scumread is more on TaylorEmerald, it's actually Bell that makes me more paranoid, with Pooky's seeming to just give up at the end there.

Likewise, I don't think I can ever trust Hectic enough. Looking at Hectic's ISO, this post in particular just bugs me:

But you should know that if you accept: I have a soul death pact with Pooky. We're gonna need him alive or my heart will shatter

Like was that definitely not a gambit where they were going to play it up to subtly push against one or the other of them getting voted out later on? I don't feel like any amount of townspew is going to make me confident enough in that as a last pair.

On the other hand, even though there are plenty of people who aren't especially towny, I can

imagine

a world where they say enough things that I eventually townread them and am confident.

Kind of think this is how we should approach this vote, and I'd really prefer to eliminate one of these pairs I think.

[Akarin]

So you think if Pooky and Hectic rolled scum together, Pooky wouldn't buddy Hectic?

[Akarin]

I was trying to reevaluate you today, kept getting distracted and looked at other people and kind of decided I didn't need to.

At one point I was townreading you and I don't remember why anymore, so wanted to look back at it, because your more recent posting was making me worry you were scum, but I also read that Dr. Hideyoshi game and thought you were obvscum. You turned out to be town.

At this point, if I do vote your pair, I'm voting more for Hectic. I still feel like maybe I need to reevaluate you but I also don't really feel like it matters?

[Akarin]

Hectic's reaction to Pooky's flip:

I actually feel somewhat betrayed lol

I actually feel somewhat betrayed lol

(I don't really, Pooky.... I let myself be soulpocketed)

[Akarin]

do you think scum!hectic says "I'm soulpocketed" to a flipped!scumpartner?

Yeah, I really don't see why that'd be so hard for him to say.

[Akarin]

like, dunno, maybe i'm getting cold feet on maria/bulge because people voted there and it stagnated a little bit, and i feel like people were happy to hop off, but just. ugh.

I feel like no one ever had a real reason on Maria-Bulge to start with, even though it got up to like 5 votes and a few more saying they'd be happy to vote there.

[Akarin]

so is your argument re: the pooky interactions that its in his scumrange?

many things that he's posted are in his scumrange

No, although I believe

your

argument was that it was

not

in his scumrange.

[Akarin]

My argument there was that the Suicide Pact between scumbuddies who aren't able to pair together seems like a fun thing players like that might try.

It subtly pushes town to keep both pairs alive a bit longer, especially with how several people (me, Oka, Isis?) were worrying about suicides.

Also the soul read thing allows them to keep hard-buddying each other all game and get those feelings of "Pooky is town" "Hectic is town" flowing around constantly.

[Akarin]

So you at least see where I'm coming from on this even if you don't agree, Shelly?

[Akarin]

maybe it's the nature of the setup that like, you vote for pairs sometimes and it's not going to feel the best but it's still the optimal move but it doesn't feel good to me and i don't know how to play this setup, lord help me

I mean, I think that's definitely true, but that wagon has felt weird to me for a while.

I think with DGB-DD that was totally true though. We just weren't really moving past them until we flipped 'em.

What do you think of my argument about going for not!Last Pairs instead of both non-towny?

[Akarin]

not!lastpair probably is mariabulge, okaFB

Like you can't imagine ever trusting Maria-Bulge or Oka-FB to that level no matter what they did in Dance 2?

On FB is that just meta stuff or something else?

[Akarin]

if you wanna lim me for paranoia or whatever, fine, but I also don’t want it to feel cheap? Like you need to define whether you actually think there’s a chance me or Bell is scum, or what you’re paranoid about

Um, I did.

And the logic of all of this is about the way the setup plays out anyway. I'm arguing we should be eliminating the pair that we can't imagine being un-paranoid about enough to ever make Last Pair no matter what, rather than "most scummy."

So that's like inherently different than your categorizing this as "limming you for paranoia"

[Akarin]

btw, Gamma, can you please be sure to

never

give your top-non-Isis town read pair until after the Intermission?

[Akarin]

Isn't this just another way of saying you want whoever's the towniest dance pair to make it to the end.

I mean that's literally the game isn't it?

But I'm saying that's a different thing than voting for who is least-town/most-scum right now.

[Akarin]

esp because "most scum" has us sort of shrugging into a Maria-Bulge elimination with no one actually arguing for it other than that neither is sufficiently towny.

[Akarin]

Yeah Bell has a point
That’s a rather circuitous way of expressing that idea

Bell doesn't have a point.

I just keep repeating it slightly differently because you guys are painting it weird.

[Akarin]

Okay, one more time.

I don't townread Maria right now. I'm trusting Dunn on that. I don't townread Bulge right now. Does anyone?

I

can

imagine a universe where both Maria and Bulge say and do stuff in the rest of today and in Dance 2 where I end up townreading them enough that I'd be okay with them being Last Pair. That's not where we are now, and I'm not saying it's even likely, but I can see it happening.

On the other hand, I

can't

imagine GammaBell as a pair that I could be happy with being Last Pair,

no matter how the rest of today and Dance 2 play out.

So I'm saying it makes more sense to eliminate you now, rather than Maria-Bulge (for example.)

[Akarin]

And that's different than both

Isn't this just another way of saying you want whoever's the towniest dance pair to make it to the end.

if you wanna lim me for paranoia or whatever, fine, but I also don’t want it to feel cheap? Like you need to define whether you actually think there’s a chance me or Bell is scum

[Akarin]

Because you can imagine them being last pair?
Why?

At this point it feels like you're just being deliberately dense.

[Akarin]

two people now saying bell is being obtuse/dense...

akarin, why word it slightly different each time? i think of all the things that's the weirdest thing because like, i get the difference you're trying to make (i think?) but why admit to like... basically framing it differently to them?

like, is it worth it to make sure they really understand the difference in this situation?

Because however I said it the first time was apparently unclear? Why wouldn't I rephrase?

And it's worth it because I don't want everyone to skip over this and just dismiss it as being confusing and moving on.

Which, by the way, is something I'm worrying Bell is deliberately trying to do.

[Akarin]

Imo. Probably? Maybe I'm just being an ass.

I mean, I've spent the last couple minutes searching for a good banging-head-into-wall gif, but then the conversation slightly moved on and now that time feels slightly wasted but also I feel better.

[Akarin]

as fun as it is to argue about theory, i just want to jump in here and ask for a full readslist from you bell

Who are you and what have you done with OkaPoka?

[Akarin]

I'm not sure how you can make this kind of stance as town?

Do you think I'm more likely to make this kind of stance as scum?

[Akarin]

Sorry, I'd have responded to the other part faster but Comcast hates me. Comcast is a creature of pure evil and hatred though, so this is expected.

is it like, gammabell is so far gone at this point that theres no coming back? so then what makes both of our pairs null? why, specifically, are we redeemable when gammabell is not?

Here is where I tried to explain it the first time

So I don't think it's worth talking about who we want for Last Pair™ until after the Intermission, but who is it that y'all just can't imagine being in?

No matter how I look at it, I can't imagine a world where both Gamma and Bell town it up enough that I'm free enough of paranoia about both of them as far as the end of pre-dance stuff with Pooky goes. As much as my actual scumread is more on TaylorEmerald, it's actually Bell that makes me more paranoid, with Pooky's seeming to just give up at the end there.

Pooky's end of day behavior just rings false to me if we're living in a town!Bell, town!Taylor world.

I wanted to present this as a separate thing from the (IMO legit) points about Bell or Taylor actually being scum, because they're beside the point to what I'm trying to get at here.

I think BASED ON POOKY'S BEHAVIOR, I'm uncomfortable ever letting GammBell live to the end.

I think there are good reasons to scumread Bell and Taylor/Gamma, but those aren't what I'm getting at, despite people repeatedly trying to paint it that way.

Bell's response to all this really bothered me too btw.

[Akarin]

Actual issues with Bell/Gamma

Bell's number of posts and lack of actually saying much.

Bell's aggressive sewing confusion and shading this rather than really arguing with it.

Taylor's "let's look at who was off-wagon" thing.

I don't think FB is totally nuts about being ignored by Taylor in the first half of the game.

[Akarin]

Other people's PT posts are Oka's drug of choice.

[Akarin]

please, call me leuz

You know, I've made a point of calling you Deleuze almost every time I refer to you and I've never gotten this response despite it being a meme with everyone else.

Is it because I'm spelling the name correctly?

[Akarin]

also I ISO'd akarin and have come to the conclusion that i may or may not have already messed up

What'd this mean btw?

[Akarin]

Seriously?

Albeit, she never did get around to articulating why she was pushing at us for, like, reasons.

[Akarin]

Fire, have you and Oka talked in your PT at all?

[Akarin]

So, Maria, Deleuze, Ydrasse,

What do you 3 think of Oka's exchange with Shelly around post 3461?

[Akarin]

we only post adding to our shared collaborative story we are making in the pt. no game content is allowed in our pt.

I'm kind of jealous, Dunn gave me the most

beautiful

picture but a story sounds really nice.

AND I'M SORRY, I DO OTHER THINGS WHILE PLAYING

Also your avatar makes me want to automatically townread you btw.

[Akarin]

it’s the same feeling when she gave her read on me, i guess. feels like one bit of evidence and she’s good (granted i have more leniency bc of her read accuracy on me but like. nyeh)

Do you agree with Deleuze or you think this is more likely to come from town!Shelly?

[Akarin]

Firebringer's avatar is scummy

I mean, obviously it would be better with an eyepatch or something, but it seems nice to me.

[Akarin]

trusting an anime girl is always correct.

Yeah, I feel the same way

[Akarin]

Dance with me Firebringer, Oka never has to know.

[Akarin]

I am in the middle of COOKING FRENZY but I can check in before deadline if we are in fact doing the thing.

[Akarin]

VOTE: Bulge

[Akarin]

I'm still in Thanksgiving Recovery, won't have time to really look at the game until tonight. Skim catchup, FB-Oka is my Last Pair. Want to look at who was pushing back against GammaBell and how, and also end of Pre-Dance with new information.

It's time to officially re-evaluate Dunn, but right now I don't have a firm read on him either way, other than that his eyepatch is dashing and he has wonderful taste in fire art.

Over the Intermission, Dunn asked me my reads in the PT and I declined to give them. Really our PT isn't that exciting.

Can we please not kill anyone else before I have a chance to actually like think about the game?

[Akarin]

The end of pre-dance is weird because the first half of the pairs were made really quick in real time and the others took much longer.

I want to see who was treating Bell-Pooky scum like tinfoil.

Although I think some of that was Deleuze?

[Akarin]

Okay, actually catching up for real now.

[Akarin]

The most dramatic part was what was up with Gamma. Like good shot Gamma but also, really???

Anyway, yeah my gut is wanting me to leave but I don't like just not having put any effort in.

Fire-Oka are still absolute Last Pair to me.

[Akarin]

Because I didn't remember when I made that post, and was going to look after I caught up but saw he already said it.

[Akarin]

Right now my thought processes is:
Effort is boring, I should just leave because I don't trust Dunn anymore
vs.
What if I'm wrong? Then I'll be dead and have not taken time to do anything.

But Fire and Oka are just so towny, don't really see that changing, and they pushed Shelly and Bell and I was kind of getting where Fire was coming from a few times even earlier. So it seems kind of pointless but also like maybe I'd just leave because I'm tired?

I'm gonna sleep on it, but probably up for a few more minutes at least anyway.

[Akarin]

Oka, I didn't remember who he asked about because I saw the message as was all
"What would OkaPoka do?" (WWOPD?)
And then just said, sorry Dunn, I ain't talkin' 'bout no reads. And forgot who he asked about.

[Akarin]

but uhh that is a burden of effort so uhhh lmao have a good sleep

I am NOT AFRAID TO EFFORT

but maybe not right now, my soul is in it but my brain is not so much.

[Akarin]

So for what it's worth, Dunn did push me to get my reads out here in thread before we leave.

It's not the highest bar, and I don't know how much Dunn can run on pure

determination

but he doesn't read to me like scum who have totally given up. I think it's worth me sitting down and doing reads based on the assumption that Dunn flips Town. I will do this today.

[Akarin]

@Beeboy

You really need to do this with me, you've barely played this game and we need something to go off. If Dunn flips town, you're throwing the game as either alignment.

Although with such a nice anime girl avatar I do feel like Fire deserves the win.

[Akarin]

im the only one who scumreads bell? i thought i was in the majority here

I'm wondering how much of this is just a futile exercise.

Bell-Gammaswizzle containing scum just seems like such a weird push from either Oka or Fire. If Dunn is town I don't see how it isn't just Beeboy.

They were the only ones making me think I wasn't crazy there for a while, and Fire actually strengthened my read scumread on Taylor.

[Akarin]

Should I even bother to keep rereading?

[Akarin]

Isis, may I have one last dance?

[Akarin]

The more I think about this game, the more I think it's just Beeboy rather than Dunn.

[Akarin]

*Sloppy swing dancing with lots of spins*
<3

[Akarin]

Spinning is like the best part

[Akarin]

VOTE: Isis

For best dance partner ever.

But I think Dunn is pretty good and after looking back at things yesterday, I do think Dunn is town and Beeboy is scum.

[Akarin]

Is there like any point in me trying to towncase Dunn? Cause that seems completely pointless but I could try if people cared?

[Akarin]

Something else I was reminded of when I looked at earlier parts of the game:

NO ONE EVER EVEN COMMENTED ON MY SONNET!

[Akarin]

I guess the only remaining player though that I don't just simply town read is Akarin and to a lesser degree Fire... maybe?????

Why don't you townread Fire?

[Akarin]

I mean, Beeboy seems like scum who has given up to me right now.

[Akarin]

I am a far better pick then Hectic, which is the only thing being brought up so far.
Maybe Pooky is better then me as a pick, but tbh he is giving me dead null vibes this game.

Bell I don't like as a pick because I sort of just wolf read him.
Dunn is giving me no impressions thus far and is readable enough for me / MariaR that keeping him in an outside pair is a good idea.

[Akarin]

Really don't think it is, but yeah there's not a lot to go on in the Beeboy ISO anyway. Part of it is I townread Dunn, Fire, and Oka.

You're 100% right about the T-T pair being more likely to leave if Beeboy is actually town.

[Akarin]

Like I'd pledge not to ever leave unless both Fire and Oka are voting for us, but they are, so...

[Akarin]

i said this earlier and ill say it again

game is already over, we just waiting on everyone else to realize it.

Yeah, I'm mostly still in the game on principle. And because the more sure of Beeboy I am, the more I want Beeboy dead first.

[Akarin]

Okay, so if the last scum is actually in Fire/Oka, the

only

way we win the game is if most of us agree on either Beeboy town, or Me-Dunn T-T.

I think Beeboy towncasing Dunn is worth waiting for. I won't say anything else.

If we're getting bored and want to just risk the game on FB-Oka, I'm cool with that, but I'll wait.

[Akarin]

Don't leave right now Isis!

[Akarin]

the problem with going to Last two pairs me/oka and akarin/dunn to last paairs is that neither of us will lynch the other and its more likely thaat u get town to fuck by leaving

[Akarin]

The thing is, I really think it's Beeboy, and if I'm wrong I kind of want that chance to reevaluate. BUT see above.

And the only way to get any of that reevaluating ahead of time is to get more out of Beeboy. And having Isis in the game is better than not having Isis in the game.

[Akarin]

That's the problem, I can't quite get myself to 100%. I think you two are T-T, but those last doubts in a YLO situation are impossible to get rid of, and I hate to not try.

[Akarin]

Please don't leave.

[Akarin]

Isis, do you think it's better for me to just leave?

[Akarin]

hey akarin if i leave right now, will u promise to leave right after?
idc if beeboy wins this game.

HELL NO

[Akarin]

Firebringer, if you leave, I'm never leaving.

[Akarin]

I'll take that as a compliment.

[Akarin]

I want Isis to win the game.

[Akarin]

Stop being a terrorist because you're bored.

[Akarin]

Basically, I think I have a chance to read Beeboy correctly off his read on Dunn.

If I'm wrong, that's the best chance for me to correct it.

I really don't want you to throw the game, but I also refuse to leave by being bullied into it.

[Akarin]

I'm not emotionally able to make smart decisions in this game for the next few hours or maybe the rest of the day, so I won't be leaving no matter what because I don't trust myself for out-of-game reasons.

I'm as paranoid as Oka.

[Akarin]

Thanks.

It's not like the biggest deal, I'm just gonna be tilted and that's not a good state to be in when debating leaving the dance in endgame.

[Akarin]

Beeboy Time
Come on grab your friends
We'll get some very vital reads
With F the Dog and O the Penguin
The game will never end, it's Beeboy Time!

[Akarin]

Isis, I'm so glad you left!

I wasn't really wanting you to hang on, I wanted to see Beeboy's reasoning on Dunn because if I was wrong that would be a good way to reevaluate because I spent so much time thinking about Dunn all game, if Beeboy had some read from earlier I thought I'd be able to remember my state of mind from the point in the game he'd actually been paying attention and evaluate if it smelled truthy or not. But that hammer was just bleeeeh.