Explosiva Mafia - GAME OVER

[M4yhem]

Creampie TDC in da face

It's banana flavored.

DGB- We have to do something while you decide who to exploderize. Might as well vote.

[M4yhem]

Fos: Battousai, alvinz95, anyone else who doesn't know how the bomb works.

Seriously, people, didn't you read the game rules before signing up? Noone is that ignorant, surely, I don't buy it.

If I had a bomb I'd give it to myself, so I could kill someone.

Or give it to armlx, because I'd like to see him dead.

Or give it to BM or DGB because I hate longs days and they'd probably kill someone fast.

Wipe banana cream off TDC, Face-Pie Forbiddenlight

Hi Forbidden!

It's strawberry flavored this time.

[M4yhem]

Surely we can analyse for a month or so and then still kill a lurker?

Someone always lurks.

So while killing a lurker right now is a bad idea, in a few weeks it could work.

[M4yhem]

The day started with people speculating about why DGB was picked, Max.

For the record, I think they did it for the lulz.

[M4yhem]

Why me, Coron?

[M4yhem]

My role pm says different.

Can you expand on this 'psychology' or is it a secret?

I'm thinking whoever picked DGB will have played at least one game with her...unless it was random.

[M4yhem]

We get to kill a lurker.

Thank you for your confidence, BM. It's a shame you're not the guy with the bomb.

[M4yhem]

Last post was a response to Armlx, obviously.

Wow, look at them go!

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BM- Yeah, I know. For one thing, DGB has a reputation; I heard of her before I ever played with her. So I don't think we'll get anywhere trying to work out who would have set her up the bomb.

Crazy- Have you ever heard of 'lynch all lurkers'? Well, I agree with it. Town lurkers are a dead weight, scum lurkers are a deadly plague. Better to get rid of a lurker than someone active at this point; active scum trip over themselves more easily and killing one lurker will encourage the others to post.

Coron- You still haven't explained why you think the scum are experienced.

[M4yhem]

Wow, by the time I post something it's already outdated.

Coron- If we're not allowed to know why you think the players are experienced, why did you say anything at all? Do you want us just to take your word for it?

[M4yhem]

Well the only thing I know about you from the games we've played together so far, Coron, is that you have a tendency to lurk. So your reputation won't make much difference to me.

Getting people thinking though, is nearly always a good idea. I'm with you on that.

Why wouldn't an extremly experienced scum pick DGB? Because she's clever? Because she tends to get lynched?

[M4yhem]

It's not random if you analyse all the other players carefully and decide they're probably not scum.

Also, day one lynches are often quite random. I'd rather kill a lurker than an active player today.

[M4yhem]

M4yhem, there is NO game rules on this thread (scum gives a bomb, and the townie blows up shit, thats all). A fos for people who don't understand is unecessary.

But there were rules on the sign up thread. If you signed up, you must have had a minimum understanding of the game.

[M4yhem]

Blow up Tarhalindur.

Forbiddenlight is a good protown player.

BM is funny and he likes me.

Coron is telling us his opinons and fighting his corner.

None of those things are true of Tarhalindur. Kill him.

[M4yhem]

Agree with Coron/]

Also, there are some players who haven't even posted yet. I didn't realize Twomz was in the game until I checked the playerlist, for instance.

Smack Twomz upside the head with the Trout of Shame

[M4yhem]

We get information from seeing who was against/for exploding a player, as well as role information from the lurker themselves. Same as what we get from blowing up an active player, really.

Why me? And why Max too?

I don't think it's that impossible to work out townies on day one...

[M4yhem]

There's more than one lurker though (currently, anyway) so we'd still have information from which lurker is chosen and which aren't.

I guess I can sort of see your point though. A little.

I don't know; who's going to keep track of the votes? Not me, that's for sure.

I think just talking without voting is just as helpful really, as long as DGB bothers to read what we've got to say.

[M4yhem]

I'm always two posts behind.

Armlx- why is wanting to kill lurkers bad? They hurt the town and, worse, they suck the fun out of the game. Plus, if they're scum it's really hard to catch them in the normal way, by analysis, because there is nothing to look at.

I'm not saying we should chase lurkers all game but I really think encouraging an atmosphere were people are afraid not to post can only be a good thing.

[M4yhem]

Evidently. But could you be a bit more subtle about kissing her ass? 0.o
'Queen'? 'DGB seems to be helping that along already', 'good work DGB!'

Rofl. I see what you did thar.

He has a point here, you know. The 'good work' was also kind of patronising, I thought.

Sounds loose.

Sorry, what?

[M4yhem]

Its looking for the easy lynch. Once the scenario arrives everyone looks decently town but them, then you kill them. Until then its pretty wasteful.

It seems less wasteful than killing active players.
Obviously if we have a good candidate for scum by then, DGB can kill them. But if it's been, like, a month and we don't have anyone, I'm gonna push for a lurkersplosion.

[M4yhem]

Fair point.

[M4yhem]

I wouldn't cry if you blew up Battousai but of all the choices, I'd prefer Tarhalindur.

I'd also like to point out to any scum listening that I'm utterly irresponsible and if I had a bomb I'd probably blow someone up within an hour just for looking at me cockeyed.

[M4yhem]

Mmmmm, pro-town WIFOM.

More like blatent self-promotion.

Pick me! I'm reckless and deranged!

[M4yhem]

If you want to be picked, make a list of the players you think are towniest, and announce that they are your shortlist for the 'splosion if you're picked.

True.

I'll be blowing up Coron or Armlx.

[M4yhem]

You're not the bomb... and anyway, I'm not familiar with the "bomb" in mafia, and I didn't bother to read the sign-up rules.

There's your problem then; you didn't read the sign-up rules. Also, it looks like you didn't really read my post either or DGB's.

The only time I've seen Coron as mafia (Stark's roleplaying mafia) he lurked most of the game. Of course, most people lurked in that game, so yeah.

[M4yhem]

He said 'towniest'. Not 'most stuck up their own asses'. And you missed me from that list.

Because I don't want to kill you. Even when I'm dead, I'll be reading the game to see how y'all are doing and you will provide me with the most lolz.

Besides, I only really need one name, since I only get one bomb.

For the record, I think you are probably town, based on the two games I've seen you in so far. Of course, I've never seen you as scum, so what do I know, really?

The same is true of Armlx: he acts like he did in another game where he's dead and town, but I've never seen him as scum either.

I really don't like this explanation - town isn't the alignment that I associate with speculating about endgame.

I violently disagree with your association. Endgame speculation is normal for town in my experience.

I'd support a Twonz execution on the basis of his first post; it's exactly like his posts as scum in another game- stalling and excuses.

I'm not sure about Max- he comes across as dumb and not really reading but not automatically scum. I don't know his meta but I guess DGB is confirmed town so we can take her word that his posts are in character.

Tar's analysis on Forbiddenlight= load of nothing. Looking forward to mine, now.

[M4yhem]

Unvote:Forbidden

as it was only really a hello vote.

Drown Twomz in chocolate cherry ice cream

. I don't believe he's always so apathetic early on. I'm sure I read a game where he was helpful. Besides, it's not really hard to make content, unless you're scum. Just pour your thoughts and feelings on to the page.

[M4yhem]

You mean, like k7?

And Twomz.

I don't think Coron claimed scum. You guys are kidding, right?

[M4yhem]

Good work.

Thank you, Coron. Do I get a gold star?

[M4yhem]

Do we really need a more in-depth response than that?

I could barely be bothered to read that as it was.

[M4yhem]

Have you seen how many posts I've made?

I pity the fool who does a P-b_P analysis on me!

Maybe I'll post some more...

BM, for real, I'm not seeing how you think Coron claimed scum. Unless you're thinking the hypothetical is a slip that shows his real intentions or some other theory like that, all I'm seeing is you pushing on a dead horse.

And the question becomes, why?

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You know, BM asked you to explain Coron's 'slip up'. Are you going to?

[M4yhem]

I know the answer is no (unless you're distancing from a mason partner), I'm just not sure that answers the question BM asked.

[M4yhem]

As far as I can tell, what Coron said was that if he was scum and you were his buddy and he said you looked town and then one of you was lynched, the other one would look really scummy which is why it's better for scum to sometimes tell the truth and say a townie looks townie.

It all comes back to Coron's arguement that we should trust him because of his reputation which BM says is bull because Coron might be scum.

[M4yhem]

^ To Armlx, love 'n kisses, M4yhem.

[M4yhem]

You're easily impressed, Coron.

I'm still not sure if BM is being honest or not when he says you claimed scum. I can see
how it might look like that, but who claims scum, really?

It's fairly clear what you really meant.

(Not that that means Coron isn't scum- at this stage, who knows).

[M4yhem]

If I get a bomb, I'm only going to count the votes of people I like.

[M4yhem]

I'm the same, Forbidden. I get horribly frustrated by the pace of these games.

[M4yhem]

Sure, Battousai, I'll try to let at least two other people post between my posts, just for you.

Crazy- Do you think then that the people asking setup questions are scum faking stupidity?

I'm not sure I agree with IIoA. There was a lot of setup (and endgame) speculation in Bad idea mafia and most of the participants were town.

[M4yhem]

What in particular caught your eye, DGB?

[M4yhem]

Why do you think the scum picked you, DGB? You know yourself best, I guess. And you're town for sure, so the answer is wifom free.

I didn't like Crazy's last post.

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Why not? To be fair, I didn't either.

You had to ask, didn't you. Can't you just trust me based on my reputation?

No? Oh, okay then.

If any of those people seem to have asked dumb questions to avoid looking like scum, then I'll be suspicious of them.

I don't like this because it's inaccurate. Max, Alvinz and Battousai have all asked questions at least as 'dumb' as yours.

Right now I don't feel like looking through those people to see if any of them have done that, though.

I don't like this because it suggests he doesn't care if you're scum, he's just following the easy option.

I agree with Armlx that setup speculation later in the game is more of a tell than if it's early on.

DGB- I was thinking it would be a good idea, when you're ready to explode, if you give us your opinion on every player, to look at tommorow.

How accurate do your instincts tend to be?

[M4yhem]

To be fair, the first point can be countered that he was only talking about potential targets (supported by him supposedly wanting to vote Iron Man over me).

Not much of a counter. Targets for what, bombing? Iron man isn't on DGB's list so if he can look at him, he can look at the others also.

What's stoofer's 5th law? And who is an alt, BM?

[M4yhem]

Btw, Stoofer's 5th Law says that if BM is still alive on Day 3, then he's probably scum.

Riiight.

So you were basically wishing him dead, or something?

BM- Why are you annoyed? Because Battousai voted you? Because two people now have asked you not to triple post? Because Battusai wants to kill you because you post alot?- which is a terrible reason if you ask me, but nobody did.

You do know if you start lurking you will jump right up my suspect list, yes?

(And what does HoA mean? Hand of attack? Herring of anger?

[M4yhem]

Is Mr. Stoofer Crazy?

I'd like that either confirmed or denied.

[M4yhem]

M4yh3m, its neither I'm pretty sure.

How can it be neither? I'm pretty sure that's a binary choice. He either is or he isn't.

Crazy- any response to the concerns I raised about your post?

[M4yhem]

The only reason I picked Forbiddan over anyone else was because she is my top pick of the four people that DGB posted.

Why'd you go after Iron man then?

It wouldnt be like im lurking because of pressure. If you were in my position, you'd be pretty damn annoyed too.

I'd be annoyed, yeah, but I wouldn't lurk. I'd fight back, which means my content would actually increase, at least for a while.

Alvinz new avatar is cool.

You going to kill someone soon, DGB?

[M4yhem]

M4yhem: I don't like that he started asking DGB about wifom topics again so late in the game.

I asked her again because I suddenly realized hers was the only trustworthy opinion.

I feel that this topic has been covered a lot already and not much can be learned from talking about it. There is no way to get in the minds of the mafia so there's not really a point in talking about who they gave the bomb to and why.

I feel differently. I think we can gain a small amount of useful information from the choice. Censoring topics of conversation seems dangerous to me.

Crazy- If Iron man was just a name that had stuck in your mind, doesn't that kind of weaken the arguement that you are suspicions of more people than just forbidden?

[M4yhem]

Fair enough.

I'd actually say that interrogating the confirmed townie is a protown sign. The innocent have nothing to fear, or something like that.

I'm not crazy about Battousai's other posts though.

I'd like Jordan to post a little more content. Everyone else has produced at least one vaguely useful post, but Jordan is a wasteland for content.

Unvote, Vote:Jordan

[M4yhem]

I'm saying pressuring DGB is a risky move since she might explode so anyone taking a risk like that seems townier to me, since they want answers more than they value their life.

[M4yhem]

50-50 so far.

Obviously a difficult issue.

[M4yhem]

Hell no I'm not 4th choice! Don't put that idea in people's heads, Twomz.

Forbiddenlight is the one you mean. I just have a four in my name.

BM- Really? I'll look out for that.
I tend to butter up to strong townies and attack the weak ones.

Except now I've said that, I don't anymore.

[M4yhem]

Questioning a confirmed town is not a risky move in the least, and it's not really helpful at all.

Wrong and wrong.

It is risky because it draws DGB's attention to you and she's got a bomb.

It is helpful because getting as much information out of DGB before she dies will give the town more to reread later and, since DGB can make mistakes like the rest of us, questioning her reasoning will help her examine it more closely and make her more likely to choose right.

Just sayin' if scum know about this, it is super easy to exploit.

Maybe now it is (except now you said that, it isn't) but when Battousai did it it wasn't

I am open minded and easy to sway, try me.

I nominate Twomz. He's useless, avoiding scumhunting and basically lurking in plain sight. I've seen his scum play, it looks exactly like this.

I don't think Battousai is cleared at all. It's a point in her favour but she's said other thing that were dodgy, like wanting to kill BM for making content.

Coron's hard to read and he might be scum but I'd still prefer someone less verbose. Tar, for instance. He was supposed to do a P-by-P analysis of me, where is it? Don't put it off Tar, it will only get harder.

[M4yhem]

I agree 'woe and alas' isn't much of a tell. I do it as town, sometimes.

TSS makes a good point about Coron's reaction being over the top and I've found in other games his instincts are generally good.

Unvote, Vote:Coron

[M4yhem]

Do you think this is the first game ever where something of this nature came up?

I think Battousai acts inexperienced enough for that not to matter. Also, bringing yourself to the attention of the vig still carries risk even if you know it will make you look town.

Otherwise your arguement here is at least partially invalid. I take tells this non-sustainable in situations that are super-unique with a major grain of salt.

Um...okay? I don't take this tell with any salt. Apples and oranges, I guess.

Does that go for scumtells too or just town tells?

Good morning, sunshine.

Do you disagree with my defense, or do you just think that the fact that I decided to rigorously respond to such a small tell is suspicious?

Good afternoon, snowflake

Both really.

I wasn't keen on how you were so fast to point out that it isn't your current meta. Why even mention it in that case, since it's the current meta
that we need for catching scum?

I also know of at least one game in your past where you lurked as scum, so your statement seemed incorrect to begin with.

You say rigourous rebuttals are in keeping with your character generally. That's possibly true from what I've seen of you.

Max- Yes, please post content. That last post is utterly unhelpful and a borderline Appeal to Emotion as well.

[M4yhem]

What I want to know is, how do you strap a bomb to somebody without waking them up.
Maybe we're all really heavy sleepers...or the mafia are ninjas.

I guess I have to defend my killing lurkers policy again, eh Max?

First of all, a lurker is significatly more likely to be scum than the average poster. Not posting content is a scumtell. Saying 'I can't see anything worth commenting on' is a scumtell. This is because it's much harder to produce content when you're scum. You aren't really suspicious of anyone and so you have to fake it and that's harder than making actual content which comes to you naturally as you read.

I know I post less as scum. That's true of many other people too.

Also, scum might post less to avoid saying something suspicious.

There are other reasons people don't post much, of course, but players often let you know in that case.

The other reason I'd prefer to kill a lurker is it hurts the town less if we're wrong. Say we have a scummy Twomz and a scummy Coron. If we blow up scummy Twomz
and he's town, the town loss is small. He's posted, what, three times? Twice with no content, once with innaccurate content. Coron, on the other hand, posts loads. We kill him and he's town, we lose a big chunk of protown information.

There are townies and townies, you see.

Of course ideally, we'd kill scum, not town, but I don't think it's unreasonable to think about minimizing town losses.

Also, Coronscum is far more likely to give himself or his scumbuddies away, given the range of things he comments on compared to Twomzscum.

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I wasn't the first, nor the last, I don't get the hang up.

BM is an anti-royalist, clearly. Vive la republic!

Player A posts 1 thing that you would list as "moderately scummy", Player B has 50 posts each of which is "moderately scummy", which would you be more sure is scum? If you're logicking right, then Player B, barring outside circumstances, metas, etc.

Well yes, in that case, based purely on the information provided, player b. But mafia isn't a math problem. There are always outside circumstances.

I think that one newbie game is skewing your averages. If you normally post a lot as town, I'd say your 'average' town meta is posting lots and that one game is an anomaly.

I'm happy to drop this point though, before you get the spreadsheets out.

I'm 99% sold on BM being town. I agree with him that going out of your way to be nice to DGB seems a bit...creepy and a minor scumtell. Not that I'm saying we should be mean to her, obviously. I just think town ought to care more about finding scum than making sure DGB likes them.

Unvote, Vote:Twomz

purely to screw with the votecount.

I'm not happy forbiddenlight is leading. I think her play her resembles her town play in bad idea and she is too good a player, if protown, to lose day one.

But she does need to talk more.

Nudge: Forbiddenlight

[M4yhem]

Anyway, I really haven't had much to say about the current deliberations. Or else I would have been posting.

You disappoint me, sweetheart. There’s lots to talk about. What do you think of Twomz, for example?

Coron isn't scum, I think he isn't anyway.

Do you know why you think this? And what do you think of my defense of lurker lynching? I wrote that just for you.

I don't understand what BM4yh3m is doing.

You don’t understand our vote for Twomz? Even after Riverworld? Or something else?

vote: BM, M4yhem, FL and Tar

Suck it >.<

*Sucks it*

Mmmmm...tastes like...caramel

I still think Max is the best person to bomb because of his still odd posts that are mostly jokes and not scumhunting, which apparently doesn't support his meta,

Actually, DGB said it did support his meta. Since she’s confirmed human, I trust her information.

My last post was just showing that unvoting, revoting and FoS spamming is retarded because VOTES DO NOT DETERMINE THE LYNCH!!!

Noone said they did, but they are a clear indicator of who you suspect and useful for information gathering purposes.

I haven't seen anything I felt a need to comment on, so I've been hanging back.

You haven’t see anything scummy- since the game began?
You haven’t seen anyone who looks protown- since the game began?
There are no questions you want to ask? Nothing you think needs discussing?

I'm not gonna post every time I read the thread and I'm not gonna post every single little thought I have on the game.

You haven’t posted any thoughts at all! Nine days and nineteen pages and there’s nothing that occurs to you at all?

If I have something to say I will say it, but I don't right now (I know I'm beating a dead horse at this point, but it's to drive home the point so meh).

That’s what you said when you were scum in Rivertown.

Also, every time a page is added I feel the likelihood of me doing a reread slipping away.

What’s the point in rereading if you don’t comment the first time? It’s not like you’re trying to scumhunt, as far as I can tell.

BM,

Please add one vote from me, for every player that is not voting. Just throwin' my weight around... I want everyone to VOTE.

<3
I endorse this message.

I don’t care if DGB follows the votes exactly, as long as she reads our opinions and takes them into account.

For all you people complaining about there being ‘too much’ conversation-Haschel Cedricson, Twomz, Battousai; if I promise to post less, will you agree to post more, and post with substance?

[M4yhem]

Iron Man has done nothing of note in this game to be memorable; in fact, I almost forgot he was playing until I read Crazy's posts.

So had I. Iron Man, how’s school? Do you think BM is town? Do you think Twomz is scummy? Explain your answers.

JordanA24 has not posted anything useful since the game started.

Even though this is true, and quite frustrating, it makes you look a little hypocritical to say this right after going for Crazy because he voted Iron Man for a similar reason.

Describing it as a "load of nothing" is inaccurate and I would like to hear M4yhem explain WHY it is a "load of nothing".

Sure thing. It’s a load of nothing because he doesn’t really advance any arguments or do any in-depth analysis- he just quotes her posts and then adds a little comment, often summarizing what her post contains. He didn’t say anything new or really give her any points to answer. So, load of nothing.

m4yh3m, Twomz's meta is actually true though.

Perhaps. That doesn’t mean he should be allowed to lurk. We won’t get a read on him if he keeps this up.

vote:battousai, Coron, and 1/2 vote each on forbiddanlight and Max

Reasons, please.

If I had to pick a person I thought was scum, I'd pick Max.

This looks like an explanation but it actually isn’t one.

Max- You didn’t answer my questions, please do so.

I liked Battousai’s last post, it seemed fair and sensible. I’m reversing my opinion on her and saying she’s town.

Liked Haschel Cedricson’s last too but he needs more content before I feel I can judge him accurately.

Jordan, Jex- Would like to know your opinions on the game.

[M4yhem]

Will not blow up today:

TDC: Good clever content, has earned the right to live.
Battousai: He's contributing enough actual content that if he's scum, he's 100% going to get caught and leave traces. Besides I don't see a case against him.
DragonsofSummer: He's making sense, he's logical, he's good.
forbiddanlight: I just re-read. Nah. Not scum.
Haschel: Little content, but so far, so good. He also noticed Crazy vs. Iron Man weirdness.
Jex: Makes sense so far.
M4yhem: As townie as they get.

I find nothing to disagree with here.

My scumdar rattles:

alvinz95: Little content, seems to play innocent at every corner.
Crazy: Attention to Iron Man pretty odd. I don't get it. Makes stronger case against forbiddanlight.
Max: Definitely some weirdness detected. Under observation.

Agree again, but I'd probably put alvinz and crazy a little lower down the list.

My scumdar shoots sparks:

Twomz: Already plotting endgame OMG that's so scummy, bad attittude, not really involved or playing. But plotting endgame. Nice.
BM: I just learned that BM is not a girl! I so know that he gave me the bomb.
Coron: Can't help but think BM and Coron are buddies. Look, Coron confessed! He keeps confessing scum.
Tarhalindur: Aye, he's under fire, now he's doing the disappearing act...
TSS: Not one townie post yet.

I must admit I'm surprised at seeing TSS here. I think he's playing as he did in hot potato, and is probably town. I'm not 100% sure but I wouldn't want him blown up.
Same goes for Coron and BM. I think they're worth keeping an eye on but not our best choice for death.
Quite happy to see the end of Twomz but I'm not sure what you mean when you say he's plotting endgame.

Potentially explodalicious surprises:

Jex: Almost no actual content, defines lurking in plain sight.
Iron Man: Superlurkmeister.
JordanA24: Z'OMGzzzzz... another Champion of Lurkerdom.
killa seven: Mega-lurking, including his meta.

Lol at Jex being both town and explodable at the same time. I think she makes sense when she does talk so probably not your first choice for killing.
I would support the death of any of the other three. I mean, c'mon, Killer seven is playing? So many lurkers, not enough ammo.

Max- No, I think the fact that lurkers are more likely to be scum is the best reason to kill them; the rest is a useful bonus.

How old are you, btw?

[M4yhem]

Unvote, Vote:Crazy

for lacking integrity and backing off his alleged suspect under pressure.

I figured that the last part of Tar's case, the part that reads

Does anyone else see what's missing from forbiddanlight's posts? Oh right, scumhunting.

That, ladies and gentlemen, is why I'm calling IIoA on forbiddanlight.

advances an argument, particularly when Tar is on record as treating IIoA as a major tell.

I suppose you have a point. It’s not much of a arguement though because he hasn’t really given us any reason to think that tell is reliable, especially early in the game, and one of the posts quoted does contain scum hunting. I still say he wasn’t really saying anything he hadn’t said before.

M4yhem - I didn't like you lingering on lynching lurkers, but I can understand your point of view.

Oh lord. Why? Do you have reason to think all the lurkers are innocent? Do you think killing a lurker will harm the town; if so, how? Or are you just repeating what others have said?

killa seven - serious lurking. you post some fillers then leave.

Say what? So I can’t be in favour of killing lurkers, but it’s okay for DGB to kill killa seven......

because he’s lurking

?

Fos:alvinz95

Hang all hypocrites.

M4yh3m, i realize Twomz's play is flawed, and I think he does too, but lynching him for it is probably not the optimal answer.

I can live with sup-optimal if it fixes the problem.
What’s your solution?

lurkers are good lynches.

Fixed your quote.

[M4yhem]

I still wanna kill Iron Man, though. I'd probably put Max at #2, but I haven't looked at this game really in-dephtly yet, so I dunno.

When are you going to?

Yes, I do plan on staying under the radar until I can say something decent.. No use in me getting myself lynched, right?

What makes you think talking will get you lynched? I'm talking a lot and nobody suspects me. No more than the people who aren't talking, anyway.

If I can do it, so can you.

[M4yhem]

When I get a clue.

When will that be?

You haven't been in enough games with me.

Maybe. Still, in this game, we don't persecute the active people. Except BM and Coron, but they're not really people anyway...

*remembers thread*

How convenient

I was about to say we should have you prodded sos you could defend yourself when suddenly here you are!

Where's my PbPA?

[M4yhem]

I'm considering it...

K7- What are the chances of you doing any scumhunting this game?

[M4yhem]

Don't listen to him, scum, give me the bomb!

I think as scum he's playing chicken with you right now and I say speed your tank up.

That's one possible interpretation. He might also be joking around as town.

Tar's disappeared again.

I assume K7 has some weird meta that I do not know of?

Well he's lurking hardcore in another game I'm in with him, so yeah, probably.

[M4yhem]

Who wants to bomb me?

The answer is; because if you don't, scum, I'll hunt you down and kill you,

with other people's bombs.

[M4yhem]

lolz, you couldn't catch a scum if he ran past you naked shouting "Lynch me I'm scum", admittedly I'm the same but I know I won't get the bomb, I wouldn't hit scum, but I would attract the bomb.

How do you know whether I can catch scum or not? We've never played together, have we?

[M4yhem]

All the religions I admire say that death is the end, so they're not likely to help him now.

Anyway, he asked for it. Give him what he wants, it's make him happy (briefly).

What about you, DGB? Any last words of wisdom, foses or final requests?

[M4yhem]

Don't quite follow you there, Crazy...

[/quote]Yes but you can help yourself to his earthly possessions after he's gone...
[/quote]

Oh right,

after

he's gone...

*Slides Tar's wallet back into his pants.*

Since we're going to night soon, I'd just like to remind the scum that I'm irresponsible and highly volatile; if you give me the bomb tommorrow, I'll probably kill someone with my second post, and that's if I'm really trying hard to restrain myself.

[M4yhem]

Also clearing them, in my opinion only bad scum would give to people who haven't been confirmed townie...

Noone has been confirmed townie, except DGB. I don't think anyone ever will be.

Meh, I can see your point of view, but really I was just bored and shooting my mouth off.

Also,

FoS: M4yhem

For what?

Now that Crazy has explained himself, I think he has a point.

[M4yhem]

ok

UnFoS: M4yhem

. Also, you are clearly paying attention.

I always pay attention. Not always to the same things, of course.

My l33t attention-paying powers inform me you still didn’t explain that fos.


Beautiful Mr.

KaleiÐoscøpe

, will you please prod Tarhalindur so he can say his prayers/his last words, get confession/curse the town before he dies?

Thanks, mod.

K7 has a point.

Batt and Crazy also both make sense, even if they contradict each other.

Don’t take this personally, DGB, but I’d really like to see some fireworks now.

[M4yhem]

Awww.

I'm tempted to vote Armlx actually, because I've been reading through a game where he's scum and his scum meta is actually very similar to his town meta, so I'm nowhere near as sure of him as I thought.

Can't pin anything to him yet though.

I'll start with a

Vote:Twomz

to warm things up. Chronic lurker, unhelpful posts, etc.

I'm happy to see pokerface in jordan's place. I'm expecting a huge post full of analysis from you, pokerface.

Any idea who might have armed you, TDC? All I can think is 'not Coron' and of course, that's wifom.

[M4yhem]

Being unsure of someone's alignment is never a reason to vote them barring process of elimination scenarios.

I'm aware of that, which is why I'm not voting you yet. But since I said you were probably town yesterday I thought I'd better tell the town that I'd changed my mind, and why.

Forbiddenlight, Crazy, why aren't you voting for Twomz when my case on him is near-identical to the one on Iron Man?

Also, has anyone seen Iron Man's play as town?

[M4yhem]

(Also news flash, when I said "with 17 non-me people it's 9 votes to explosion", I really meant it - YOU are in charge, not me.)

You gonna vote/scumhunt yourself, TDC? It’s your last chance.

I've also slightly changed my mind, from now on, everyone who isn't voting will automatically self vote (yes, blatant rip-off from Max' recent game)

Brilliant!

Max is doing more and more of the same. Yawn.

So is alvinz. So am I in some ways. Why pick on Max?

Unvote, Vote Alvinz

for tunnelling on Max and his inaccurate, derivative scumlist yesterday.

[M4yhem]

On a more general note, I think that the closer we get to LyLo the less democratic the explosion should be.

Why, TDC?

Did you have to use x and y instead of their actual names, Batts?

You confuzed the heck out of me.

Anyway...

The only thing I'm getting out of it is that you think Iron man and Twomz are doing the same scummy thing

Yes.

and implying that forbidden/crazy is scummy for excluding Twomz.

Not implying anything as of yet (when I imply, you’ll know) just curious, as it seems like a logical contradiction. Was wondering if they saw holes in my Twomz argument, or if they have something extra on Iron Man, etc.

Does that make Twomz double as scummy?

Possibly, if you think Forbidden/Crazy are ignoring the case because they’re scum with him. This is one hypothetical explanation.

If so, why only focusing on Forbidden/Crazy ?

I wasn’t only focusing on them. I voted Twomz and asked questions about Iron Man.

Was there anyone else I should have looked at in relation to this topic?

[M4yhem]

The reason I said player x, y, and z is because this relates to more than just you about more than those players. You were just the most recent player to do so.

Who else has been doing it?

[M4yhem]

Furthermore, yesterday the reason he gave for voting me yesterday was because he said, "apparently that differs from his meta". If it's an apparently it isn't worth a vote and because he is consistently dodging the question I think he's scum.

He was also told, by the confirmed townie, that it

was

consistent with your meta and he ignored that information.

Fair enough, Battousai.

[M4yhem]

None of the points on my main suspects were incorrect, so you can't say the whole thing was incorrect, except for some random notes at the end.

I didn't say the whole thing was incorrect. I said some of it was incorrect, which you accept, and the rest was derivative i.e. based on other people's opinions.

Really, if I was tunnel visioned on max, then I wouldn't even bother to reread to find another suspect, and I did.

I think you pretended to reread in order to look pro-town. It isn't as though it made any difference- you produced no new cases or arguements and you're still voting for Max.

Are you Max's pal?

No. Are you Armlx's?

[M4yhem]

Know how you feel, Forbiddenlight. I get tired some days of playing, can't think of anything to say. I usually just post some random stuff and wait till the feelings pass (like today).

I share other peoples opinions, they're not based on it, and no one has really stepped up to present a whole case and all what Max did.

But lots of people had attacked him; he was the fall guy of choice.

I reread for my case on Max and BM, and SKIMMED and remembered stuff off the top of my head for the extra stuff.

Why did you feel you had to skim? Why not just present the case against the people you actually suspected?

And I REREAD to find new suspects such as Crazy and armlx. So obviously I didn't "pretend" to reread in any case.

So you say. But since you didn't quote any posts or even cite them as evidence, it's hard to tell. Your cases against Crazy and Armlx wouldn't exactly be hard to make up.

And again, you're voting for Max, you suspect Max, you're not going after your other suspects at all (Armlx ignored your case on him) so what's the point of rereading, except so that you can say you did?

Jex is a horrible, horrible person for not posting.

QFT

You too, Pokerface.

Right, that's all for now. Sorry about the delay; my house has been commandeered by a visiting rock band.

I always check the sidebar because I know some people care about being called by the right pronoun and it's very easy to get it right.

As for me- 'he' 'she' 'they' 'it', I don't care.

[M4yhem]

I've seen she and he in reference to you. Which are you? Just curious.

I'll never tell. It's too amusing to see who gets it right, or wrong.

Alvinz- You're talking about two different rereading incidents. I accept you reread Max n BM yesterday, for your list. I don't think you reread properly today, because nothing changed. And yeah, I think if you have mulitiple suspects, you should be looking at them all. Otherwise it seems like you don't mean it.

Armlx- You said you were waiting till he reread to have an opinion on Alvinz. What is your opinion now?

[M4yhem]

Whoa, hurricane. Okay, you're forgiven.

Can't say I'm floored, but its good enough.

Is it really any better than what Max has produced? Is there a reason you're tough on one but not the other?

[M4yhem]

You think saying that you're playing 'random' is a decent, game-based reason to suspect you?

[M4yhem]

You're not.

I just feel armlx's play is more

random

and I kinda believe that a more experienced person should be scum to even think of giving the bomb to DGB.

Agree with him?


Do you believe you're actively lurking, btw?

[M4yhem]

Is what I referring to, and I agree with neither point.

Why didn't you defend yourself when Raider first posted them? Don't you consider his suspicions a threat? Are you in the habit of ignoring attacks on you?

[M4yhem]

Why?

Didn't Tar say something similar and turn out town? (Yes, he did.)

I've no idea what's going on. Will reread at some point this week, and catch scum.

[M4yhem]

Surely the second point is an arguement for not lynching suicidals?

I concede the first point.

[M4yhem]

The whole town falls under that description, surely, unless they get the bomb?

As for distinguishing the two, I'd say go by behavior, except that K7 barely talks anyway. I don't like the 'we have to lynch someone who says x' mentality though. Townies say stupid things quite often, we can't kill them all.

K7- Who do you think is scum at the moment and how come? And do you really want to die?

[M4yhem]

We already gave suicidals a warning when we got Tar exploded. K7 obviously has no capacity to learn (or he doesn't care).

Unvote, Vote: Battousai

because I hate the idea of killing townies automatically for saying something which may just be a joke. Seems a good way for scum to get innocents killed, there's even a ready made excuse when they flip town: 'oh, he asked for it.'

[M4yhem]

I don't see why. There's a difference between lynching people for not scumhunting or providing content and lynching people for making jokes.

[M4yhem]

if you think im scum blow me up, if you think im just unhelpfull but town, then thats not really good town play.

True, but a little hypocritical. You could be more helpful yourself. If you asked more questions, showed more interest in scumhunting and made fewer jokes about wanting to be blown up, people wouldn't be so eager to kill you.

I know this isn't the game you thought it would be but you signed up, so try and play properly.

I'm now convinced K7 needs to die now/soon.

Why?

The only problem I have with TDC's deadline is it's too long.

[M4yhem]

*Trys to notice...
fails, horribly.*

We have DGB, a medium to high rate of posting player who is known for her implusiveness and not so much the analysis...

We have TDC, a player who doesn't post much but does provide fairly good content when he appears, with reasonable analysis.

I don't get it. Enlighten me, Master Armlx.

[M4yhem]

The thing is, I take asking to be blown up as not being a joke and used by people who want out of a game they don't have time for or getting into it. I really don't see anything wrong with it.

But you think they should be blown up? There’s a contradiction here you know,
please explain.

Also M4yhem, if townies stop doing it, then there would be no reason to blow them up. I really don't see trying to stop people from acting anti-town is bad.

It’s bad for the same reason shooting your dog to stop it chewing on the sofa is bad; it might solve the problem, but the cost is rather high.
There is no reason to blow up townies as it is. The bomb is for scum.

Because then I would think that he is just joking, but not contributing, hardly posting makes me think that he's serious when he says it (see first post on seriousness).

If he’s serious when he says it, according to you that means he wants to be replaced. Why would you policy kill someone who wants to be replaced?

Both fall under exactly who K7 said he would give the bomb to.

I have several problems with this.

First, they don’t fall under ‘exactly’. DBG is not a lurker and TDC was contributing to some extent. There are better lurker choices.

Second, surely scum would lie about who they would give the bomb to. (I know I would.)

Third, giving the bomb to lurkers isn’t exactly an original idea. There are many others who might have thought of it.

I think you’re reaching here.

I’d prefer a two week deadline simply because it’s shorter.

[M4yhem]

The contradiction is that you say you see nothing wrong with the behavior and then say we should kill people for it. Generally, we kill people in this game if we think they've done something wrong.

And you say people saying 'kill me' are hurting the town- but killing townies hurts the town far, far more. The cure is worse than the disease.

The bomb is not supposed to be used to 'replace' people. We have a more powerful weapon for that- it's called a mod.

Anyway, I see no contradiction. Just because I support 'lynch all lurkers' doesn't mean I have to automatically support 'lynch all whatever' too. First of all, lurking is a scumtell. I don't think saying 'lynch me!' is a scumtell, it's just confusing. It's like a self-vote- it doesn't help the town but there's no good reason for scum to do it either.

Secondly, lurking is a behavior that effects the player's entire game. Saying 'kill me!' on the other hand, could just be one throwaway line, so you're advocating killing people for less than I am. Also, by saying 'lynch all suicidals' you seem to be suggesting that no matter what else the player does, if they say 'bomb me!' even once, we should kill them. I don't like this focusing on one detail of a player's game. Nearly every townie does something dodgy at some point; you have to look at their whole game to get the real picture.

[M4yhem]

We can't ignore it, since TDC

is

the lynch.

He's given everyone a chance to choose, anyway.

[M4yhem]

My deadline(1): Battousai

More reason to vote Batt.

Why? Do you think TDC's progression system favors scum? Or do you think she's sucking up to the confirmed townie? Comical third option?

I was just wondering where you'd been, BM. Coron too, he posted a lot more yesterday.

[M4yhem]

Can you explain how it favors scum, for the stupid players like me?

[M4yhem]

You got a read on K-7, Armlx?

I'd say 'not sure'. He spends half his time joking about wanting to die and the other half attacking anyone who suggests killing him.

Could be omgusy town, could be lurkerscum.

M4yhem, I'm dropping the lynch all suicidal case, because all that's come of it is suspicion on me and I don't want TDC to blow me up as it's a waste of bomb. And so far I'm the only one who would go for that method, so chance of it going into play is highly unlikely.

You can drop it if you want but I'm not going to forget what you said about it and I still consider it a black mark against you.

I want more Alvinz talking.

I'm kinda happy to see Twomz actually giving an opinion without prodding.

[M4yhem]

Actually, contrary to what I said a couple pages ago, I think he is town (slightly) now, based on seeing him as scum not run the "give up" plan.

Where?

And just because he didn't do it once doesn't mean he never does it.

But my point was the fact Twomz doesn't have a scum read on someone else to go off of is telling.

Weren't you the guy saying 'but it's Twomz!' every time I suggest this?

Anyway, I think even a half-assed effort to scumhunt is better than his usual nothing.

I'm not sure if I'm pleased or scared that DoS's suspects correlate so closely with the rest of the town's. Either we're collectively on the ball or he's just agreeing in order to blend in.

I'm happy with my vote but if Alvinz doesn't start talking again soon, I'm switching back.

[M4yhem]

That was like 10 pages ago. I gave him a pass D1, D2.... less so.

Does protown-Twomz normally improve his game D2?

[M4yhem]

Alvinz- When you come back, please will you tell me:
Did you see the post by Dripping goofball that said Max’s behaviour WAS consistent with his meta? What do you think of that post? Do you have any reason to think she was wrong?

Do you see the hypocrisy in calling me out for supporting lynching lurkers and then suggesting Killah seven is scummy because he is lurking?

Since Armlx and Crazy have more votes than Max, wouldn’t it make more sense to vote for one of them since you suspect them also?

considering wifom involved for even a second can effect your judgement.

Oh come on, it’s not voodoo. I think talking about things is better than not talking about them, even if they’re confusing. There’s bound to be a reason TDC was chosen- even if he was picked completely randomly, that points to some people more than others. Just because it’s hard to figure out doesn’t mean we should stick our fingers in our ears.

I agree Crazy is very easy to convince. Saying I ‘owned’ a question is possible buddying up too, even if it’s true.

I mostly agree about Alvinz. I’m a little paranoid, actually, that you are following my suspicions. As for Armlx, he is guilty of what Batt is guilty of- suggesting a policy lynch on K-7 for what might have been a joke.

Max- Is there a reason you don’t want Iron Man lynched over Batt? Is Alvinz still your pick for today- if so, why? What do you think of Killah 7?

[M4yhem]

A meta of scuminess != an enjoyment of the scum role.

[M4yhem]

I thought he was implying he enjoyed being scum?

[M4yhem]

Unvote Batt, Vote:Alivinz

because Batt's frustration sounds genuine.

[M4yhem]

M4hyem, IIRC, said it was a null tell on D1.

I said it was a slight town tell actually.

Twomz- What do you think of Alvinz? Who is scummier, Batts or Armlx? If you had a bomb, who would you blow up?

Killah seven- What do you think of Alvinz? Who do you think TDC should kill? If Batts hadn't suggested your death, would you still find him suspicious?

[M4yhem]

Slightly aggressive, I just don't think that's a bad thing.

[M4yhem]

Why do you think it isn't a bad thing M4yhem?

Because it showed she cared about getting an answer out of DGB and wasn't afraid to push for it.

Alvinz- It's not NA. What do you think of DGB's assesment of Max's meta now? Do you have any reason to think she was wrong?

Armlx- It matters because we can trust DGB's intentions, even if we can't trust her judgement, which is more than can be said for the rest of us.

[M4yhem]

alvinz usualy acts like this, i havent really read into his posts beyond skimming the thread.

I'm getting really tired of hearing this. It seems like everyone scummy uses that excuse.

Um not sure exactly who should die at this second.

Okay. Speak up when you are sure. Before Oct. 9 obviously.

[M4yhem]

That's pretty fail logic. Judgment fail is much more prevalent then intent differenced in mafia, and that's saying something.

Whatever. You don't want to listen to her, then don't. But I'm going to give what the confirmed townies say additional weight, because I can trust them.

Batt- I didn't say it would prove guilt or innocence but just like it's useful to look at who a dead cop suspected, it's useful to look at who a confirmed townie suspected.

My will to play is dipping, I'd be happy with someone being blown up at this point. Particularly alvinz.

[M4yhem]

More weight != 100% auto agree i my point.

I can live with that.

Nice to see some analysis out of TSS.

[M4yhem]

What does what I said have to do with Iron Man?

[M4yhem]

what did you say about iron man?

[M4yhem]

Why is crazy in bold and not Alvinz?

Anyway, I can see the case for Crazy. He has been very quick to back away whenever he's challenged. He seems to be without any conviction at all.

I'm still happy with an Alvinz lynch. I feel he's been overly focused on Max and his analysis hasn't been very careful.

Don't know about Armlx; hard to tell.

Did iron man ever come back?

[M4yhem]

Armlx- Crazy is fine? That's not much of a reason.

Fos:Battousai

because you looked like you were backpedaling during that exchange with Armlx. I can't believe you thought 'I'll list Iron Man as a lurker even though he flaked, to catch Armlx out.' That doesn't seem natural.

You also missed Twomz off your list, even though his behaviour is far more typical of an actual lurker than TSS, who's done some analysis.

[M4yhem]

Mmmm, fresh meat.

Spring lullaby, does dull mean scummy, in your experience? How does being dull help scum?

So, since there's no lynching in this setup, I'm only gonna read the past 5 pages. Deal?

I'll give you a better deal; just read through Crazy's, Alvinz and K7's posts and tell us if they are scum and why.

Deadline's a coming. You can read the rest of the game during night.

Rereading, I actually like K7's play.

Y..You what?

I mean, you think he's protown, okay, but you LIKE his play?

I enjoyed Crazy's analysis, mainly because it was very flattering, but I agree he needs to justify his vote for Alvinz a little more. It looks like it's just a bid for survival otherwise (of course, townies try to survive too.)

Alvinz sounds angry. I'm not sure if it's righteous indignation or 'damn, they caught me' anger.

Happy Rosh Hashanah, TSS.

[M4yhem]

@Mayhem - dull profit to scum because it is akin to staying under the radar. And staying under the radar definitively profit scum, especially in a setting like this. What do you think

I think you have a point about game theory but I’m not sure Armlx is any duller here than in his other games...

I will swear by the fact that I have never had any emotional strain playing as scum. I have faked it, but I've never had it for real.

Not everyone is you. I’ve panicked as scum before; mainly when I was newer and couldn’t deal with pressure votes.

1. Page 14: M4yhem went back to the age-old question of "Why would scum bomb DGB" in #326. Why?
2.I have no idea why in the world M4yhem thinks questioning a confirmed townie is a pro-town sign... (it's not; it let's people slide out of making their own cases)
3.M4yhem voting Coron after saying he was pro-town this whole game rings my scum-dar quite a lot.

1. I didn’t think DGB’s first answer was comprehensive enough.
2. No, that’s

following

a confirmed townie. Questioning a confirmed townie shows you care about truth, not just making people look scummy.
3. I sometimes change my mind.

So, crazy, why don't you post a nice tidy list of your top suspects

and the guys you think are town

, with reasons you think so, instead?

Sounds like a good idea (except the townie part, don’t feed the scum targets); how about you do this too?

BM is a lurker.

I’d prefer Alvinz over Crazy. I think Crazy is crazy but not scummy at the moment.

[M4yhem]

I’d prefer Alvinz over Crazy. I think Crazy is crazy but not scummy at the moment.

What specifically makes Crazy's actions not scummy.

His tone of voice.

[M4yhem]

I didn't pay attention to the deadline, I actually skip over your post since you're the bomb carrier.

You skip over the confimed townies posts?

Elaborate plz.

His frustration and panic sound genuine to me and I think they are townie tells. Also, he's fighting to stay alive, and posting content.

TDC- Actually, I would be pretty happy with a Twomz explosion.
springlullaby seems a bit off, but I'd need her around longer to get a proper read.
I'm not sure what the issue is with max.

[M4yhem]

Oh yes!

Okay, town, listen up. You have a two week non-retractable deadline. On the 20th of October, I will kill someone.

Who that someone will be, I haven't decided yet. It might be any of you.
Feel free to vote, I promise to give extra weight to killing people who attract at lot of votes. I won't guarantee to kill the front runner, because if I think they're town, like crazy yesterday, that would be a mistake. But I will listen to and consider any arguements put in front of me.

Twomz- Is there anything you can think of to stop me blowing you up?

Alvinz- Should I kill you or can you think of a better choice?

[M4yhem]

It seems my evil plan has infected my playstyle... I figured at the start of the game that if I played poorly and lurked the mafia would be more likely to give me the bomb.

How is that different from your regular playstyle?
Also, didn't you figure the townies would find you scummy for that?

I will try to get a good solid post in before the end of the week and feel free to nuke me if I don't get a good post in by then.

Okay, I will.

Armlx, who do you think are scums?

Why ask him?

Alls I'm sayin' is, town still has the odds massively in its favor. We can afford a few misbombs (if that's what spring turns out to be) to get rid of potential problems later down the road - i.e., me bringing this situation up in the endgame and possibly screwing things up

then

. We've still got time to clear out the whackos at this stage.

No we haven’t. I’m not your mommy, I’m not here to clean up your messes. If you aren’t sure spring is mafia, either question her until you are sure, or find someone scummier for me to kill.

in case a really scummy person turns up town and not a WIFOM he called for the bomb but didn't get it, he might be scum.

That's quite ironic.

Less setup talk, more scumhunting please.

Votecount

Springlullaby- Iceman
Alvinz- Dragons of summer

[M4yhem]

Alvinz- If you'd read the game, you'd know that Armlx claims to have a meta on Twomz. Read his posts, see if you can find it.

Votecount

Springlullaby- Iceman
Alvinz- Dragons of summer, Pokerface
Twomz- Armlx

Deadline= 10 days away.

[M4yhem]

Votecount

Springlullaby- Iceman
Alvinz- Dragons of summer, Pokerface, Max
Twomz- Armlx
Armlx- Battousai

Deadline= 8 days away.

I'll scumhunt later. Accuse me of lurking, I dare you.