Epilogue! - [Endgame]

[Bell]

Least town and most scum are also the same thing.

[Bell]

You're writing it weird and I have no idea why you're writing it weird lol.
It's not even scummy, just unnecessarily confusing.

[Bell]

Because you can imagine them being last pair?
Why?

[Bell]

Yeah, I am.
But you're just trying to say we're scummy without saying it.

[Bell]

Why do you think it's weird that when someone doesn't understand what someone is saying they don't try to say it differently so that they can understand?
It makes sense to, I do that too. I'm being dense because she's not being forthright and being dense is a pretty good way for them to be forced to respond to it in a way that's more forthright.

Imo. Probably? Maybe I'm just being an ass.

[Bell]

two people now saying bell is being obtuse/dense...

akarin, why word it slightly different each time? i think of all the things that's the weirdest thing because like, i get the difference you're trying to make (i think?) but why admit to like... basically framing it differently to them?

like, is it worth it to make sure they really understand the difference in this situation?

Because however I said it the first time was apparently unclear? Why wouldn't I rephrase?

And it's worth it because I don't want everyone to skip over this and just dismiss it as being confusing and moving on.

Which, by the way, is something I'm worrying Bell is deliberately trying to do.

I'm trying to force you to do the opposite of this.

[Bell]

as fun as it is to argue about theory, i just want to jump in here and ask for a full readslist from you bell

Oka
Gamma
Deleuz-Dunstral.
Shelly
MariaR
Firebringer
Akarin
Hectic


??? Beeboy. Bulge


#3340 he did say he enjoyed it.

[Bell]

as fun as it is to argue about theory, i just want to jump in here and ask for a full readslist from you bell

Who are you and what have you done with OkaPoka?

i dont argue theory i only spit facts

uh huh.

[Bell]

Every list I make I'm legally required to forget one person.
Probably a little above Akarin. She mooded the game state some.

[Bell]

UNVOTE:

*sigh*

[Bell]

It's better than human brain surgery. We have all the gross stuff and sometimes we trouble a bit and machines are only gunna get more accurate at cutting stuff. People aren't really.

Also, why did Hectic replace out when I was literally just beginning to feel like an ass for scum reading him.

[Bell]

Partnered as town or scum?

[Bell]

Think oka's just doing what I used to/still do where when someone says they have notes I immediately file a freedom of information act request.
Half the time the person I ask ends up being scum and dodging everywhere. Byt It's not a bad strategy, it's also very what's it called, angle shooty. But not really.
I get that it's annoying tho.

[Bell]

Oh yeah, lol I didn't even think about that. You didn't seem very engaged in that game and Gamma was run up almost immediately.
It's kind of nuts to compare the two.

[Bell]

Like, you can't compare Gamma to a game where he was under significant pressure the moment he entered the game whilst being undercut by multiple players. I mean, you can, but I doubt you're going to get much out of it.

[Bell]

What a townie post Gamma. I knew you had it in you.

[Bell]

@Mena, why aren't you pushing for us to end the day phase/dance phase early?

[Bell]

VOTE: Okapoka

Hi.

[Bell]

VOTE: Okapoka

Hi.

hi

Hey.

[Bell]

Is there a reason you just smeared ShellyC and then moved your vote?

[Bell]

Oka, it's a terrible idea to argue the dynamics of PT's and whether they're town or scum oriented.
Because we could be here forever still arguing it. You gave one example of a bad experience, that's an anecdote, not a working theory.

[Bell]

where am i smearing shellyC

You just said you thought she was scum. You laid out your reasons. Then you voted us.

[Bell]

Well, see, when you case someone and say you think they're scum usually you try to eliminate them. If you believed it, why would you move your vote? Did she answer to your satisfaction?

[Bell]

Could you word that so it's less generalized and simplified and closer to the context of your actions.

[Bell]

FB, do you want to jump in here or are you good?

[Bell]

>.>
Gamma.
This is off topic.
Some Scum don't respond well to being put off balance. It just depends on the player and their experience level.
A lot of players try to get other players mad as part of their strategy. Almost everyone reaction tests to some extent or another.
There are a lot of ways to play mafia. Though I do understand the feeling of discomfort that comes with being pressured and how you would prefer it not be that way.

I don't think a discussion on the best way to catch or interact with players to find scum is relevant here. Well, I guess it might help you understand each other.

[Bell]

@bell you know i scumread you, what's wrong with moving from one to another?

@gamma okay sure whatever, to be honest im not too interested in this conversation. i was just annoyed at you for your comment about me "assaulting" but doing this is a lot more annoying.

gamma you have your methods and i have mine. lets leave it at that

Are you?
Why are you trying to descalate then?

[Bell]

Gamma.

Really need to engage with FB here tbh.

[Bell]

I think Gamma is town.
I think you know the answer to this as either alignment really.

[Bell]

Like, I got super duper annoyed with you ten times.
I just know not to get mad at people who I think are prolly town.

Gamma asked me to push you both so I just did.
My heart isn't really in it tho. I still think you're town.
Or at least, pretty good scum.


Pedit: Are you Noraa, that's about as damning as a marshmellow.

[Bell]

like most of my questions were followups because i was puzzled by the answer... i wanted to chain questions, but like lol idek dude, maybe it would be a lot of work if gamma was going to read the entire thread but i mean he's doing it pine style so he should want these interactions to get an understanding of the game? i don't understand...

Pretty sure he doesn't want to interact with you only?

[Bell]

i have one alt and its not noraa

Twas' a joke comparison.
Though the quality is about the same.

[Bell]

He's scum reading FB,
I think you going away is just the cherry on top.

[Bell]

A little.

Just back and forth questioning each other.

He asked me for some reasoning on my reads on Dunstral and an explanation of why I thought how DGB was using her too manytown reads town tell to hit Dunstral pinged me. While I felt Drew didn't really have a good reason to accept dancing with DGB without getting a firm no from Hectic. Felt rushed, it was but it wasn't AI turned out.

I asked him if he aTe's as scum mid-this conversation. No response yet.

He can summarize the other parts if he wants, I'm okay with that. But I don't want to step on his toes by outting more info than he wants outted about who he wants to live till the end/his reads etc.

[Bell]

why did you ask bell to push me and not duel me 1v1

-_-
He's literally right next to me talking to you alongside me. Does it look like he's hiding behind me?
I just decided I could be wrong so offered to push one or both of you and see if anything fell out.

[Bell]

I don't like getting comfy with my reads and I haven't really pushed at you previously anyway and as you just mentioned some scum players play well at their own tempo, but might not when that rhythm is interrupted. Couldn't hurt. I'm glad I did.

[Bell]

bell have you pushed anyone else this game?

Akarin and Hectic? Did you forget

[Bell]

Iso me.

Though I'll characterize Hectic push as half-assed.

[Bell]

Shelly, are you lurking.

[Bell]

I think Akarin was full assed imo.
Just because it was shorter doesn't mean it didn't help me understand her to some extent. Albeit, she never did get around to articulating why she was pushing at us for, like, reasons.

[Bell]

bell are you town

obtusity regarding oka again, a lot of this just seems like white noise and I dislike that

ok back to work

I'm town obviously.

[Bell]

like this one you were actively trying to hit me with gotcha questions

Yes, and?

@pedit: The hectic push sort of got aborted when I felt he was acting like shameless town. I'm still a little worried I made this game unfun for him or contributed to it at anyrate.

Akarin, I just wasn't confident on. She didn't do anything to help me with that.
It's typical for me to branch out at my own pace tho. I just got around to you earlier than I otherwise would have. As for the effort, you can thank yourself for that you responded quickly and in real time. So the conversation got heated quickly enough. The amount of effort put in here is because you have a high amount of effort.

[Bell]

Also, I wanted to help Gamma out because I'm kind of sick of seeing him get quick eliminated all the time. So I had more motivation tbf.
I don't usually obv town unless I need to because I hate being pressured as town. Death curse got in the way of that+mafia fatigue.

[Bell]

@Isis, are you certain that the optimal play here is to no eliminate?

[Bell]

VOTE: No elimination

@Oka is fire bringer saying anything in your PT at all?

[Bell]

Talk about it after.

[Bell]

VOTE: No elimination

@Oka is fire bringer saying anything in your PT at all?

who do u more strongly townread gamma or oka

im not voting shellyc today. i am a stubborn anime girl

Made my decision.

[Bell]

If you think I'm town and you're town FB, you should know why I'm not answering you at dead line after voting no elimination.

[Bell]

gg! PT release fine as is.