revO emaG - TENET

[petapan]

UNVOTE: superbowl9
UNVOTE: Petapan
UNVOTE: GFITAC
UNVOTE: Deacon Blues
UNVOTE: Uncrowned
UNVOTE: Dandelion Wine
UNVOTE: midwaybear
UNVOTE: Something_Smart
UNVOTE: Firebringer
UNVOTE: upside down sinkhole
UNVOTE: Annie Edison
UNVOTE: LadyLambdadelta
UNVOTE: skitter30

in the reverse timeline we operate by the rules of guilty until proven innocent

[petapan]

anyway, having played in a similar split-thread game many years ago, my recommendation is to play the game like a mini, and and keep your primary focus on your own thread to avoid information overload. don't worry about following everything going on in the other thread, just keep tabs from time to time. i'm personally probably not going to be paying too much attention to the forward timeline and put all my energy toward catching scum here.

[petapan]

Hmm, the turnstile should probably be used to send people who have stronger roles in the forward stream than the back stream. However, if we send someone through, scum will know that they are a power role.
Anyways, VOTE: Turnstile-midwaybear

town, god bless

[petapan]

i was going to say firebringer was coming in kind of scummy with his entrance and then he claimed cop and i don't know what to make of that

VOTE: midwaybear

[petapan]

i was going to say firebringer was coming in kind of scummy with his entrance and then he claimed cop and i don't know what to make of that

VOTE: midwaybear

You have confused me.

i thought cakez was doing the gimmickery where unvotes were votes in the reverse timeline but looking at the rules i am not sure

[petapan]

:O its this thread!

sad to see you drew mafia in the reverse timeline's list

[petapan]

i know i said i wasnt going to pay attention to the other timeline but hench princesses is literally obvious scum

[petapan]

the purple room is a temporary cross-thread hood that only lasts for one night, check the fifth spoiler in post #2

not much standing out in reverse timestream so far

[petapan]

i'm fine with sending any townread but the main problem is anyone transferring themselves between timestreams has to consent to doing so and i don't know why you'd send your secondary scumread to a thread full of people who haven't been reading them as closely rather than just keeping them to vote yourself

[petapan]

i feel like some of the people egging it on over there are scum.

go on...

[petapan]

if there's more than 2 scum in the other timestream imperium is ++++scum

i'm not sure i follow? do you see them as scum egging on the plan?



entertaining this line of questioning for lack of otherwise interesting content here

[petapan]

kind of like firebringer tryharding actually tbh

[petapan]

Deacon, I am done with Olivia's dinner and have like... 10ish minutes at a keyboard.

Thing is, my setup thoughts sort of massively changed between five days ago and now.

~ToneDeafBard

because u drew scum mirite

[petapan]

That bullshit cost me a lengthy phonepost wall.

phew, i guess you won't be able to catch me today then

[petapan]

Wouldn't scum just NK you if you went to the other side?

i doubt it. scum probably will think they can convince town to mislynch me.

i have u penciled in for day 3

[petapan]

UNVOTE: turnstile midwaybear

he asked for it he gets it because no one else is going to be more trustworthy

[petapan]

i refuse to townread tammy, or read the other thread at all

[petapan]

the anime man is scum

[petapan]

i know i said i wasnt going to pay attention to the other timeline but hench princesses is literally obvious scum

why are they literally obvious scum?

bad setup spec fillerposting

[petapan]

do you still think that?

i've stopped paying attention but on a look back, not enough to change my mind and i reflexively hate sassing me with the tongue emoticon

[petapan]

* crickets intensify *

Notsci.. you two wouldn't have happened to roll scum together, would you have?

Are you currently singing kumbaiyah and reassuring her that you've got this?

~DGB

weird feeling post

[petapan]

this side feels like it has more scum but i dont have any scumreads on this side.

why does it feel like it has more scum?

[petapan]

stop spamming please.

I need this ego so badly cuz fuck I can't keep up.

Did hell freeze over?

she just got the red role pm that rightfully should have been mine

[petapan]

nora complaining about the pace of the game thread is actually factually a scumclaim and is just cover for her not being able to produce content given that the pace is not particularly fast at all

[petapan]

I like peta this game

you're unvoting me though

[petapan]

I like peta this game

you're unvoting me though

VOTE: peta
Ah i forgot

now i have to ask which of the 4 posts i made after that made you change your mind

[petapan]

you unvoted me after 214 though!!

[petapan]

Then i have no idea what i was thinking at the time! I liked it when i just looked it

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[petapan]

This is the same group that caught her d1 xeno lol

That is true. What's weird about Firebringer?

I’m pretty sure he’s done more this game than all of xeno

do you have an issue with his actual content?

[petapan]

nora complaining about the pace of the game thread is actually factually a scumclaim and is just cover for her not being able to produce content given that the pace is not particularly fast at all

Do you think she actually walks in and does another death scroll in a game with LLD in her half?

I am hesitant.

~TDB

i think this is a list she'd struggle to fake content in where i'd expect her to be bounding in with energy regardless as town while the complaint about pace is just...SO out of place from ms 81.21 posts/day, you know?

[petapan]

he's aggressively earnest as town and struggles to replicate that play as scum

[petapan]

he's aggressively earnest as town and struggles to replicate that play as scum

So it's an individual differences thing and not a feeling thing.

You don't think this level 0 interp. Is fakable from them? What level of confidence are you putting on that, percent wise?

97%, having seen his towngame twice and his scumgame twice (spectating illicit substances)

granted the illicit read was a lot slower to come by and i missed him for most of day 1, but he still hit similar pitfalls with regard to struggling to post. if his later posts this game had done something to call the gutread into doubt i'd have gone back on it, but so far so good

[petapan]

if we're both alive day 3 then i'm going to be worried more about you

[petapan]

VOTE: LLD

agreement on nora was all i needed

[petapan]

I mean, I'm defining LHF as someone who's very easy to scumread. It doesn't mean she isn't scum. But it means it doesn't make sense for peta to townread you for agreeing with him on that read.

consider the vote a symbolic high five and don't read too deeply into it

[petapan]

if there's someone who the lhf label would apply to it'd be sb9, whose opening was awkward but may just come from unfamiliarity

[petapan]

i suspect he'd fencesit on that regardless of alignment

[petapan]

@Hench- Brian and I are in sync from different threads and he’s sharing a lot of my same sentiments before I am and vice versa

what sentiments are these, exactly?

[petapan]

I’m the one ignoring you, bulge is the one calling your focus on the other side weird

@peta-
I haven’t been a fan of Cabd yet for instance, and Brian called it out before I made any comments about it. I’m busy atm but if you want more later remind me and I’ll say more when I’m not busy

"distrust" isn't really a strong sentiment. i felt compelled to ask because that iso looks threadbare to me

[petapan]

is being sane town to you?

[petapan]

then do you have any reads

[petapan]

uwnd trying to corral people into voting sb9 then saying lld is suspect for doing so is scummy as fuck

[petapan]

the anime man may be town, actually

[petapan]

"everyone in my thread seems so towny" is a fairly scummy sentiment tbqh

[petapan]

nah postulating that the scum are over in otherworld attempts to discourage serious inquiry into the people in your own thread when the max difference is 2 people anyway and feeling like you're the 2 side this early is bogus

[petapan]

If you really want me to respond LLD i will but i will also be disappointed

i would like you to answer tbh

[petapan]

So more about these mechanics - we basically have 4 days to send over people who will give us the best roles no? I think we use a bit of WIFOM and send over a vanilla today so that scum waste an NK.

what the fuck is this post

[petapan]

The only thing I know is that I remember thinking that if Peta's SR on me wasn't RVS/a joke, he had a pretty big possibility of being scum for that ridiculous push.

I also remember checking in sometime this morning and seeing LLD say something or another about Peta being conftown or something. Or maybe it was Peta saying LLD was conftown. Either way, I didnt like LLD from that interaction either.

the people who scumread you are scum, how revolutionary

[petapan]

I posted my first post in the game and you were like "SHES SCUM"

It reads really bad if you ask me.

that was a half-serious gutread, that became serious the moment you complained about the game being too fast and bounced

[petapan]

don't blame us. blame yourself or RNGesus

[petapan]

im dying

[petapan]

This is your gamely reminder to bring back the old muffin avy

ok done

[petapan]

Ffery I disagree on gypyx sell me pls

limited experience with gypyx says he's frozen and awkward as scum and if he looks like he's actually scumhunting he's probably town. think of him as the forward timestream version of obtusebear

[petapan]

Im interested in your thoughts on this thread petapan - who’s scum for you and what’s their strategy right now?

i've been calling noraa scum for a while and have not seen cause to change my mind, beyond that not many reads of note and i'm just chilling

[petapan]

Peta that avi is going to take me a bit to get used to :X

hopefully it gets rid of some of these pesky townreads

[petapan]

Interesting, do you have meta with them? I thought they were townread by near everyone

i thought you didn't like all the meta?

controversial new opinion:

skitter is scum

UNVOTE: skitter

go on...

[petapan]

VOTE: firebringer

[petapan]

wait thats opposite.

HOW DARE U PETAPAN!

should've been less town

[petapan]

:O its this thread!

sad to see you drew mafia in the reverse timeline's list

things don't work like that, alignment is the same in either

just get in here and bus noraa already

[petapan]

i had felt a townvibe from his commentary on the other thread but held back because it was too easy, but i'll just call ceph town

[petapan]

i took a nap and woke up to 20 pages. you people

by this point the scumteam in otherworld had been caught already, so naturally, i'm pretty disappointed. although, granted that was a crap scumteam (naturally, it had tammy on it)

[petapan]

Peta revote me for the love of god

VOTE: annie


VOTE: upside down sinkhole

the latter is purely to avoid any possibility of an accidental hammer, my vote is still there spiritually

[petapan]

Send them anyway.

Do it.

we can't turnstile someone unless they're selfvoting (presumably to avoid yeeting someone into a game they haven't read)

[petapan]

I'm selfturnstiling peta.

my assumption was the post was talking about sending firebringer day 2 against his will

[petapan]

no it's talking about me.

Please assist if you're townreading me.

i trust enough to go along with consensus (i dont particularly

care

about who we send on these things as long as they arent blatant scum) i'm just still reading up and seeing what's gone down

[petapan]

VOTE: superbowl9

frustrating but town

VOTE: dandelion wine

all thanks to ceph.there's a little nagging voice in my head saying him going through the thread live was a tad ~performative~ due to being in a hydra, but i felt the way he was approaching things and analyzing them all very believable, look like townie thoughts

[petapan]

has skitter's case on annie developed at all beyond "idk, i just dont like ur vibes"?

[petapan]

yo dawg wtf is this meta cut that crap out i dont wanna hear about what happened in other games

[petapan]

does my lolvote on everyone on page 1 count as honorary scum

[petapan]

uncrowned is probably going to get flooded out of the game due to different timezones making him miss when the game is actively pumping content, but will say he is probably >rand scum rn

[petapan]

Off the table for today-
Wine
Deacon
LLD
Fire
Superb
peta

Thoughts?

already unvoting most of those people so looks p dece to me

[petapan]

peta, would you please help me turnstile.

i would like to fully process the events that transpired while i was napping first

already

unvoting

most of those people so looks p dece to me

oh you know what i mean

[petapan]

As someone who’s been down the road of throwing all my emotions into this game, Noraa, you need to learn to separate it.

I’m sorry you’ve drawn scum.

I haven't and ur just being stupid.

I dont think you're capable of sorting me whatsoever especially if ur actually town this game. You have gotten it right twice - in two of the most obvious situations possible
1) where I was town and lolhammered scum on day 1
2) where I was scum and the whole game fucking knew it

The other two where stuff wasn't transparent as hell, you fucked over.

Haunted Village. You insisted that I was scum.
Then what?
You got me limmed day 1。
And now here. your reads are terrible. stop acting like you can read me if you cant.

Sooooo

Maybe we shouldn't be turnstyling annie? Just a thought

Ofc not. Why would we send a scum over to them?

so like are they town or scum what's up

[petapan]

nora's treatment of annie is p crap tbqh, seems to just be riding the momentum on the easiest available counterwagon of someone pushing her but i don't get the conviction at all like she's genuinely trying to read them and just gets to open taunting

beyond the AtE hasn't produced things i would say look town? and even on that i'm not sold

[petapan]

oh, do go on

Maybe I've just been accustomed to gaslighted-skitter who had the whole game telling her that her most confident scumread was wrong. But this seems like not the attitude that I've seen you adopt toward scumreads usually (usually it's "I think this person is scum and I want other people to talk to me and help me figure it out" rather than "I think this person is scum and I want other people to see the same way I do and scumread them too").

good post

[petapan]

who actively wants to go over atm? I am aware of superbowl

Firebringer too I think

was i premature in my townread?

[petapan]

i don't why skitter keeps insisting on wanting to talk to the bulge rather than just posting questions to ask to him this is a forum you know, you can just post things and leave it for the other person to read

[petapan]

can we send annie over? people that are scumreading them can do it in accordance w/ spiffeh's plan and otherwise it'd just going to break the thread out of this singular focus

why not send Annie to the dead thread?

not like we need more scums alive.

i'm sorry but this is still really scummy from noraa

[petapan]

You can put it back later if you want, but this wagon is sketchy as fuck

Is this TMI that all the buddies are bussing lol

nacho can eat my whole ass for calling this town

[petapan]

you cant make me

[petapan]

(that was about midwaybear but in my catchup i looked back at his iso and still think he's town even if his last few posts were meh)

[petapan]

i'm flattered that i have so many fans apparently, but i am literally not reading their game, i'm still 10 pages behind on this one, certainly not going to be receptive to whatever is going on over there. i barely read Aia and that game was much shorter than this one, i dont want to have to read an entire new game.

maybe if they yeet hench princesses for me i'd reconsider

[petapan]

like tbqh i'd rather just send you if you're serious about it (sorry annie)

[petapan]

i feel for nora because she is yeetbait in every single game but i would be lying if i said i didn't have issues with her response to pressure and going from "notty sucks at reading me" to just calling him scum and taunting him is a big part of it, i don't get the sense she's trying to actually sort anyone and is just begging for help from everyone who passes by

i would however be willing to table her day 1 on the principle of avoiding the path of least resistance easy lim. need time to process other people though, and i've already wrecked my sleep cycle enough as it is. do feel like i've got a decent amount of townreads here already, enough to get overconfident with

[petapan]

Because i was (am) pretty sure that if i didnt get to talk to him in real time, it wouldnt happen, and it still hasnt (it'a not like they've, you know, actually addressed my issues at any point in this 40 page shitshow, instead opting to just ignore me); i think you (someone?) asked earlier if my scumread actually goes beyond 'meh bad vibes', it does, and i'm a little peeved that despite trying and trying and trying i couldnt (and still havent) gotten what i'd need to address those things to actually get out of this if i'm wrong

that was a sincere ask as i had woken up to 20 new pages and an E-1 wagon i was unaware of

[petapan]

i would put midwaybear being town closer to 99% as his scum coach

and say that


i don't even know if gamma ignoring the game is a scumtell unfortunately. i cannot say he's been town, but

[petapan]

also uhhh i dont want to push noraa to trust tell levels of AtE, because that would be bad, but i tried to get her chopped in that game and she effectively ragequit and i felt almost bad for how she broke under pressure but i don't get the same vibe here, i was looking back at that last night and she was still trying to piece things together while here she was just jumping on annie and attacking in a way that looked not very town

i could be

wrong

of course and not knowing she's town is always going to make things look different but it's not the same. woke up this morning and i'm still okay with giving her the day 1 mercy period

[petapan]

nora's treatment of annie is p crap tbqh, seems to just be riding the momentum on the easiest available counterwagon of someone pushing her but i don't get the conviction at all like she's genuinely trying to read them and just gets to open taunting

beyond the AtE hasn't produced things i would say look town? and even on that i'm not sold

Bad post

nah

I think he would be posting more (at all) as town

Is this a "in general thing" or do you have specific reasons to believe this is true of this player and not anyone else?

he might be flooded but he is avoiding this game and i would expect a little more gusto from him as town. one game of experience but stated preference for playing town so

[petapan]

Pretty confident Gypyx is scum atm. He knows there's a ball of fire hidden in my town game as of late. I literally have low-key complained to him about it before.

okay, this is a post i can see coming from noraa-town

like it's

wrong

but the take has a certain vivaciousness to it where it feels like a believable opinion she might have rather than a manufactured one

[petapan]

Petapan let me ask you:
Do you see any difference between someone just playing emotionally and someone making an appeal to emotion?

yeah but i'm not sure it's worth getting into the weeds over. she's doing both.

[petapan]

Petapan let me ask you:
Do you see any difference between someone just playing emotionally and someone making an appeal to emotion?

yeah but i'm not sure it's worth getting into the weeds over. she's doing both.

Agreed, and disagreed

on the latter poin: regardless of your conclusions, i don't think it's AI, as some people are reading it to be

[petapan]

Peta do you have a herosolve?

no not really. i'm from 2012 i like to focus on one or two people i want to kill day 1 and go from there

[petapan]

Okay, I've mellowed out some.

you didnt have to announce that to justify ur vote lol.
ur still a scumbutt.

why's he scum, noraa

[petapan]

again, noraa, why is annie scum

[petapan]

i feel for nora because she is yeetbait in every single game but i would be lying if i said i didn't have issues with her response to pressure and going from "notty sucks at reading me" to just calling him scum and taunting him is a big part of it, i don't get the sense she's trying to actually sort anyone and is just begging for help from everyone who passes by

i would however be willing to table her day 1 on the principle of avoiding the path of least resistance easy lim. need time to process other people though, and i've already wrecked my sleep cycle enough as it is. do feel like i've got a decent amount of townreads here already, enough to get overconfident with

this post is dumb. you're like "hehe she's LHF but ya'know if everyone thinks she's scum, lets just roll with it anyways"
what's the point in knowing my meta if ur gonna throw it away cuz of some dumbasses.

that's not what i'm saying but okay

[petapan]

but i tried to get her chopped in that game and she effectively ragequit

You realize the only reason that hasn't happened yet is bc im in a hydra rn right? And the only reason I hesitated that long to ragequit in that game is bc Jacko was at the top of the replacement queue in that game.

okay now you're approaching trust tell territory so stop talking thanks

[petapan]

sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[petapan]

Peta, are you still around?

sup

[petapan]

Any thoughts on my proposition? I’m assuming you realize this isnt the same me from borknewbie. Or still considering your options.

of shuffling to the other thread? i'm fine with it but also kind of whatever on those mechanics. had considered obliging firebringer because i townread him and he wants it, but i am really willing to roll along with whatever and not put too much thought into it

i wouldn't expect you to play like scum in a newbie game even if you drew scum here so that is w/e but i think you've been fine regardless

[petapan]

VOTE: superbowl9
VOTE: Petapan
VOTE: GFITAC
VOTE: Deacon Blues
VOTE: Uncrowned
VOTE: Dandelion Wine
VOTE: midwaybear
VOTE: Something_Smart
VOTE: Firebringer
VOTE: upside down sinkhole
VOTE: Annie Edison
VOTE: Lady Lambdadelta
VOTE: skitter30

okay fuck this enough screwing around

[petapan]

oh i thought nora had just put someone at E-1 unannounced because i didn't see the "turnstile" bit, that was the only reason i did that

[petapan]

I’ll probably just have to make a VC as I go along and read the thread. I’ll cross that bridge when I come to it.

Ninja-
That’s fair. I’d offer you meta homework but I don’t think you’re the type- I have two non newbie scum games and two newbie scum games post hiatus if you want links.

only when i'm desperate, which is not on day 1

[petapan]

just like everyone was 99% sure i was town there...the plan is working...

[petapan]

oh i thought nora had just put someone at E-1 unannounced because i didn't see the "turnstile" bit, that was the only reason i did that

Oh my b i thought you were gonna start actually contributing

i've said plenty but need time to regroup and refocus since we aren't throwing nora into a pit and i don't have the time right now for in-depth thoughts. also want to hear from gamma and uncrowned's replacement - i don't know if the inactive players are scum but i want a more complete view of the game

LLD would be my only other "easy" scum catch

i thought you weren't scumreading her anymore?

[petapan]

look i havent played with you before but can you not, like, do something that isn't omgusing people who suspect you? can you give me like, any read on anyone that isn't based on how they treat you?

Nearly everyone SRs me. I can't SR anyone without looking OMGUS-y so I really don't care if you have a problem with me having reads.

that isn't true.

you can suspect someone who scumreads you without it being omgus if the reasons you give are not "because they're trying to kill me."

hot tip, actually: the best thing you can do as any alignment to avoid being yeeted is scumhunt without talking about yourself.

-ceph

[snickering]

[petapan]

i'm sorry but this is still really scummy from noraa

Bravado is scummy...?

from her, at that point in time, i perceived it as such, yes.

[petapan]

Why's that?

because the over-aggressiveness felt put-on, i did not find her confidence in annie being scum believable at all, but something she was doing to justify pushing there. in particular the way the switch seemed to flip for her from "you can't read me" to "you are scum" was a progression that happened concerningly quickly where i would've expected some hesitance. which is why i tried to badger her for her reasoning this morning. however my read since then has encountered complications

[petapan]

HENCH PRINCESSES IS SHELLY'S TEAMMATE FYI

[petapan]

pretty sure peta wants to stay here, though. :/

i'll

sigh

accept consensus if that's what people want but i don't know why they want me over there because i'm only occasionally idly peeking at it. is there some reason for this proposed trade

[petapan]

i would personally accept pisskop on the hope that whoever replaces him when he inevitably flakes will be cool

UNVOTE: turnstile annie


also going to go into lurk mode to give the thread room to breathe

[petapan]

that is both great and concerning given i gave the slot >rand chance of being scum

[petapan]

'Thread health' and 'they can function better with the players on that side'

he's been trying to do it since the start of the game and said he wants to purple room with deacon, that's fairly disingenuous

[petapan]

that is both great and concerning given i gave the slot >rand chance of being scum

Heya boon!
Incidentally i think your slot is >rand scum!

This looks like it was a very specific way of wording it, which makes me believe scum want this to be gamefic, that uncrowned was greater than >rand chance of being scum, which they made 1 post, how are they any more rand chance.

from the one game we both played with him he had a stated preference for playing town and never got into the game here


i also townread a number of other people who have been posting (but not skitter)

[petapan]

Here’s the thing, scum already can be in a game with 4 scum based on throes draft lists, so if scum can get one of their 2 over, that game can hard be manipulated by scum, and the other game can have 1 scum sitting pretty like a lone wolf, which creates hard associations.

you took the thinking a step further than i did, impressive

Here’s the thing, scum already can be in a game with 4 scum based on throes draft lists, so if scum can get one of their 2 over, that game can hard be manipulated by scum, and the other game can have 1 scum sitting pretty like a lone wolf, which creates hard associations.

That would be the idea for me if I were scum, get sent over. Even if it’s 3-3 now, getting sent over creates that 4-2.

i dont think this is how scum are thinking tbh

depends heavily on who drew scum

[petapan]

@unwnd: i told u bro that iso is obvscum

[petapan]

i think ceph is town now. I am very late. But i think i would have felt a more "he is forcing himself to post vibe" from his posts if he was scum and i never felt that. Idk last time i saw him scum was too long ago.

i've liked most of ceph's posts but the one where he tracked the potential votes to see if a hammer on annie was even possible was one i especially liked

[petapan]

i would veto a d1 of nora, sorry

[petapan]

noice

[petapan]

Skitter/Noraa is where I’m thinking scum are on this side right now.

VOTE: Peta

were you hoping to get something out of me with that unvote?

[petapan]

that whole 1115 from unwnd is just noise and i'm not sure what he was hoping to accomplish with it

[petapan]

Was Annie Edison a power role or did we just send him over because he wanted it?

you know you shouldn't be asking this

[petapan]

From memory...

Against Heavily:
Nachotammy

Against Lightly:
Cabdceph

For lightly:
Flavor
Fferybork

For Heavily:
Bell
Peta

i broke on my read, a while back, with the feeling she had been pushed to a place that is just unhealthy for her. i was fine with saying to give her a pass for day 1 and evaluate from there. bell and muffin in the other thread were saying she perspective slipped, though

[petapan]

Are you thinking the differences of opinion are alignment driven?

The only person I wouldn't take to a masonry right now is flavor (peta right on cusp), but even he's feeling pretty town on entry...

yeah, but him feeling town is a scumtell for him, that's how it works

[petapan]

Might as well out that skittle, we are going to lose all subtlety at this point anyways. Don't be surprised if we are massclaiming tomorrow

you've already lost it

[petapan]

making a note that the E-2 votes on gamma were firebringer, annie, deacon, sb9, and skitter

[petapan]

our role isn't that great fwiw
we're just inverted BG, forwards VT
also limming us does spare us having to read this monster of a thread for a while, but I also really don't like the fact this wagon has become the thing with like, not even 48 hours of real time having passed
probably look on our wagon after we flip. I feel like I'm at a point in my gameplay where scum are getting emboldened to pushing me early.

gamma it's because you make yourself an easy chop, i should know considering it just won me a game

[petapan]

Was Annie Edison a power role or did we just send him over because he wanted it?

you know you shouldn't be asking this

AGREE AGREE AGREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
LOCKTOWN PETA.

Done. My strongest TR yet.

this is an exceptionally bad reason to townread me and you should know this

[petapan]

hey random thought: what if instead of zMuffinMan it was leMuffinMan and he spoke like a redditor haha

[petapan]

hmm gamma's prob town which means i'm wrong on someone. probably not gonna think about it tonight

[petapan]

i told you people to let nora survive past day 1 jesus

[petapan]

is it wrong that firebringer being a mediator is kind of scummy to me

[petapan]

hmm gamma's prob town which means i'm wrong on someone. probably not gonna think about it tonight

Gamma's reaction to coming back to being run up gives me those feels. though I feel like town-him would be a little bit more cautions about Noraa given the zeno game. I told bork he reminds me of the Island of Misfit Toys cameraderie.

bork doesn't have a confident handle on those interactions, though.

Anyway. Alter Ego is feeling a bit puppyish atm.

~ street

that's nice but i don't think i have any reads at the moment and the game became a bit of a bummer when nora somehow got pushed to a breaking point again and now this is going to be a self-reinforcing bad habit for her and imperium had to out and it made me not want to think about things


but i have to assume i'm probably giving someone in cephbd/firebringer/lld/something_smart too much credit

[petapan]

i thiiink overall titus is town based on inherited read from sirius + coming in with assertive takes that are occasionlly wildly out there but why is she trying to sell us a case on how LLD plays as town? isn't she a "meta is trash" person?

[petapan]

I'm really just gonna take Cabd's word for TownDeacon, and if they're scum, deal with it later.

However this seems like a game where I get night killed early, then everyone pushes it away as nothing

Deacon is scum on my list and Cabd!hydra is town on my list.

So I'm literally in this same position. I want to kill Deacon but I'm not in the practice of forcing votes past strong town reads day 1, tbh.

elaborate on deacon?

[petapan]

UNVOTE: something_smart

something clicked

[petapan]

I have a gut scum read on ffery head.

Cabd head is town from the stupid phone post comment, but the ffery head has done exactly 0 in this thread and only done cross thread stuff.

Which was a thing I wanted to be looking for from experienced players as a dodge tactic.

This is what I first got pinged on.

they were too cute with their itneraction on the crumbing thing and I went to read them both and the cabd hydra had a post that read holy shit gut town.

but Deacon was just... a fuck ton of cross thread stuff with no in thread content and when I called them on it their reaction was to reference FGO and my misread on them there.

Which didn't sit well with me, Peta.

I'm also not pursuing it today past Cabd who I am feeling v. good about being town, but it's on my "list of people who need a bullet" ye?

yeah, i could see how you had got there at the time, but their posting since hasn't raised flags for me

i don't think that's AI of SS, and usually ScumthingSmart pings me hard, not town reading by anymeans, but I typically don't like voting SS this early in a game, if only because if we get to like Day 3 together, we're likely going to become lock town to each other.

One of us usually end up being night killed early in games we're in together because the other is scum who kills the other, or scum need to break us up because they can't have both of us running around doing wtfery. His wtfery is just more under the radar than mine.

correct, being a logic pedant isn't a tell for him, even thought the amount of takes he offered was on the town side for him. it's just a vibe.

[petapan]

Noraa-Midwaybear seems too easy, but I might be leaning scum on both of them.

Midwaybear could be town, though, I just thought their comments earlier coming at me when they "forgot I was April Ludgate" is kind of weird, but they did turn their thoughts around. Maybe I town read Midwaybear here because of it.

i had a gut townread there but on a look back there's some cause for concern, i just spent 2 weeks coaching him up but he still struggles to generate content as scum, i feel like with time if he's having trouble faking it it'll become apparent

[petapan]

my big issue with that guess is i don't ever see a team with nora/deacon ever choosing them to be the 2 side of a 4/2. those are players who are going to want a support system in place. those 2 would not be a pair confident they can carry a thread for a few days and avoid ICing half the town

[petapan]

my big issue with that guess is i don't ever see a team with nora/deacon ever choosing them to be the 2 side of a 4/2. those are players who are going to want a support system in place. those 2 would not be a pair confident they can carry a thread for a few days and avoid ICing half the town

this post pings me in a way i find hard to explain

like the guess doesn't change much if it's just 3-3 and there's one extra name but you're taking issue with the ratios specifically and not the names.

-b

i think it's valid to speculate a little on whether a particular scumteam would choose to orient itself in a particular configuration. some of the names i don't agree with either but it works to have a "does this make sense" gutcheck on a theory. also too tired to directly quibble with reads if that's what you were wanting to see

[petapan]

i'm going to start deliberately limiting my output because this game has become annoying to me. i had planned to do this from the start but got swept up in the excitement of the game, but that's gone away now and i mostly find it frustrating. i empathize with gamma complaining about the length of things so i'm going to stop adding to the noise.

i don't know what to say to 2636 except that my strongest feeling is that i don't think that particular combination is likely to be a team. i don't have as strong a reason to defend them individually. my general vibe toward deacon is thinking they're town, but i'm thinking that toward everyone and you asked me for specific reasons i'd have a hard time providing any. do think nora is probably just town now and the scumreads there are wrong but didn't want to keep debating her alignment last night, if that makes sense

gamma's point about nora's absent hyrda partner in 2642 isn't a valid tell at all as far as i'm concerned but i would say him thinking that way is a point toward him being town.

skitter hitting the reads reset in 2690 is kind of similar to where i'm at. i haven't really connected with most of what she's posted though other than picking up on her suspicion of uncrowned for bouncing from the game. hated the push on annie a lot. i actually think FL pushing her here could be scum-motivated, though. i got swept up in the excitement last night and enjoyed the fresh perspective, which let me re-think some of my assumptions, i'm wary of how quickly he moved to forming reads on everyone and seemed to adopt popular targets for suspicion in nora/skitter. it's also somewhat conspiratorial but i think he might be picking up on her softing, rather than missing it, but is ignoring it and is pushing her because of that.

1/10

[petapan]

i specifically stated I didn't really care to fade Skitter today, didn't I? So what do you mean? I'm voting there, but it's specifically because I planned on going away, and wanted to have some sting still

i think it's that she's been very specifically trying to signal to you, but you're continuing to put pressure on her in a way that seems to ignore this, and there may be bad intention behind it because i'd assume you'd have figured it out. but maybe not. like i said, that's conspiracy theory talk.

but actually, i did put a finger on what bothers me about you - in 2605, you advance the idea that this is a 2 scum game thread "based on it feeling like a bunch of TvT swordfights". in and of itself, this isn't inherently problematic - i had the trouble of having too many townreads, so the idea was appealing to me, to a degree. but the thing is, that doesn't line up with your reads in 2602 at all - you put skitter and noraa as your strongest scumreads, easily two off the biggest sources of noise in the thread to date. who's supposed to be part of the TvT swordfights, exactly? it feels less like a thing you believe than it does a narrative you're trying to create, one which doesn't quite line up with the facts. i was suspicious when someone in the other thread suggested it, and i'm suspicious here too, because the purpose of that kind of narrative is to get people to not question their assumed townreads too hard.

UNVOTE: Flavor Leaf

I take my TR on peta back. His ISO looks crap.

thank goodness, i was starting to worry about your skill as a player, giving me a pass for the things you did

What's your read of us?

i don't know. i said town on vibes to bork, but i had your ISO pulled down at this moment because i'm trying to reassess, and haven't come away with anything yet.

2/10

[petapan]

Ceph, how much have you discussed your reads with Cabd?

3/10

[petapan]

I don't like that argument much, peta. distribution spec and readslists don't have to sync. being synced would feel kinda forced.

this was primarily a me-sentiment that ffery is conveying; my initial processing of peta's post was it being more about the number of reads not matching what flavor had posted as his scumreads, but i see it's actually more about skitter/noraa(/now us i guess?) reads not jibing with the "noisemakers" being town which I can see the reasoning behind

-b

this is a correct reading and saved me from having to waste a post correcting the record right away. i don't the characterization of the thread as "TvT swordfights" fits with the reads he is giving, and so it strikes me as a disingenuous characterization of the game that could be, in his terms, an attempt to create gamefic.

Let's move on from this phase because right now I think we have enough content and Bork's(?) 2346 resonates with me deeply. I think Shelly is scum and I don't wanna sit around and wait for the game to veer off into another direction because people get bored and want to impulsively post. Bell stuck his neck out about her (even if it was meta) and it feels conclusive enough to call it a good lim. I said earlier I was willing to case her but I don't know if that's necessary, I don't get a thrill out of seeing myself 4 times on the same page, if anything it usually annoys me. I..don't know what to do about the other thread and I'm way way less confident (but again, more intrigued) about their position but I think there's more than enough to probably reach a decent consensus. This is getting unhealthy and I remember trying to look into that thread and my vision getting blurry. I don't know where most people are at...but you know what helps? Voting. I believe that this (as in, what I'm doing right now) is just the process of explaining what matters most. Votes. Who you vote at the end of the day is almost always what I read someone on, and everything else is provided context for your vote. I think too much herosolving is going on right now as well, but I won't get into it. My pool is not me saying these are the 3 scum, it's me saying 'these are the 3 I am looking at RIGHT NOW' and nothing else. I could be wrong and I think too many people are trying to solve the game far too early, which leads to people being indecisive or questioning themselves. Vote one person off and then use the night phase to think about why/if you were wrong.

I see and understand you, man. I think you're fine to revert to a wallier style. Your thread needs to figure out who they're sending, and then the elim votes can fly on both timelines.

i strongly empathize, in simpler times we'd have misyeeted noraa 70 pages ago, and i agree day 1 is reaching a tedious length, but coming to a consensus on a vote here is difficult. part of that is that i think the traditional soft targets of noraa and gamma have towned themselves under pressure and the game has very much lost focus as a result of this.

i really wanted to wait for gamma and uncrowned's slot to produce content, though, because both my non-marathon scumgames this year were instances where town ripped its face off while scum basically went afk, and it's a mistake to move through the day without hearing from everyone first. i feel like we've heard a decent amount from everyone now but the aforementioned lack of focus makes moving on difficult.

it feels less like a thing you believe than it does a narrative you're trying to create, one which doesn't quite line up with the facts. i was suspicious when someone in the other thread suggested it, and i'm suspicious here too, because the purpose of that kind of narrative is to get people to not question their assumed townreads too hard.

The thing is that i think that the the narrative creation is something he'd do as either alignment so i'm just writing the whole thing off as 'idk typical fl logic not sure what to do with it'

I think he should have picked up my references to jazz mafia but his perception of that game is very different than mine (like historically from how i've seen him talk abt it elsewhere) and the way he's talking abt it here kinda matches that historical pov so again i'm in a 'eh whatever cant give too much weight to that thought' thing

I dont like how he keeps trying to find ways to call me scum tho, and a me/noraa scumteam proposition is, uh, interesting and i want to know why we didnt just go through with the annie yeet in that universe

i think writing it off as "FL being FL" is how he gets away with doing scummy stuff and right now i'd say it's my best lead.

Ceph, how much have you discussed your reads with Cabd?

3/10

Not much yet. Ive more been using him as a place to post snark that would be unhelpful to the game. I'm a bad hydra partner and tend to go off and do whatever, which I prepared him for before he agreed to do this.

i only ask because while i like basically everything you've posted even if i don't always agree with a read, my one point of concern is that you and cabd seem to have been functioning as effectively separate entities. i know, of course, that cabd has had a whole load of shit thrown at him by real life the past couple days, so a lack of communication would be understandable, but it stood out to me so i wanted to ask.

likely the last from me for a while.

4/10

[petapan]

I'm getting some ???! vibes from the hp/fl interactions, something feels off there imo

I guess something I should have asked you in my last post is: do you have any actual scumreads in this thread?

I'm getting some ???! vibes from the hp/fl interactions, something feels off there imo

it's because hp is scum
-ceph

okay making you locktown

5/10

[petapan]

I'm going to quote DeasVail from my recenntly completed game - "my main thoughts are that most posts made are not actually very helpful". i'm 10 pages behind but feel like i don't want to read any posts. i see skitter was pushed to claim which is extremely annoying.

Muffinmn has to be scum. Town him is not this affable

i somehow have no history with him from the before times but from what i can tell now he's mostly wisecracks and the occasional read. probably hasn't read half the game. an ideal to aspire to, tbh.

Holy shit even if that case is wrong, I am over here fucking smug as shit that I got the meta-call right on Owl and you didn't, Unwnd.

he was quite obviously town a while ago when he was stubbornly going against the grain of whatever people were saying

i will admit 3093 made me laugh.

@skitter

- elaborate on your scumread of firebringer? i've seen you mention it a few times but haven't really seen any detail on it.

6/10

[petapan]

oh, i was entertaining the possibility of FB-scum because i don't know where to go with my reads, but catching up, now i don't know that i even want to do that. we've practically had a day 1 mass claim and i imagine scum are partying right now.

i didn't comment on sb9's case on gamma but while i feel his conviction there i just don't think it's very valid and gamma not being interested in a game or saying much isn't a scumtell for him, i just think it makes him lhf. i know this because that was close to the reasoning i used to get him chopped when i was scum.

Been doing some back reading and in all the commotion with unwnd being a baddie, I missed this interaction that came right after it

I could vote LLD.

UNVOTE: lld

I do want us to come to some kind of consensus on skitter sometime soon too.

Midwaybear maybe just scum here for this?

Please not that the third post here comes 2 minutes after Skitter's vote, so it's not liek midway posted it without seeing the skitter vote ye?

Presenting a weak non-committal scumread on me into skitter voting me into instantly flipping on skitter

Like what happened to "i could vote LLD".

Feels hyper weird.

so, i don't know if you remember this, but midwaybear was Archer, it seemed you didn't remember when discussing him way earlier in the game. that meta was a strong factor in my early read on him. i agree that's a pretty bad sequence from him.

FL continuing to push for fading skitter is extremely scummy from him. i think he knew she was some kind of pr and wanted to push there, and also because getting her wagoned on day 1 would be a nice little trophy for him.

7/10

[petapan]

3176 is a mwb-town post, though, i think.

Going to work out and get off for the night, final thought - if we actually elim skittle maybe that will be enough of a wakeup call to remove Flavor's cock from the mouths of the wine cave.

i mean, i'm the only one voting him. i think most people are scared to. he's charismatic that way. but at this point i don't scumread skitter and him strongly pushing for it looks lik obvious scum agenda. people just don't want to see it that way.

i might just abandon the possibility of reading up on this game tonight and wait to catch up in the morning when things aren't as active.

8/10

[petapan]

3176 is a mwb-town post, though, i think.

Going to work out and get off for the night, final thought - if we actually elim skittle maybe that will be enough of a wakeup call to remove Flavor's cock from the mouths of the wine cave.

i mean, i'm the only one voting him. i think most people are scared to. he's charismatic that way. but at this point i don't scumread skitter and him strongly pushing for it looks lik obvious scum agenda. people just don't want to see it that way.

i might just abandon the possibility of reading up on this game tonight and wait to catch up in the morning when things aren't as active.

8/10

I don't think the crumbs in the ether that exist right now are compatible with the claim at all

Considered this me not directly but indirectly counterclaiming for a friend a good friend

The aforementioned crumbs hit the ether really, really early. They've been foundational to my approach to this entire game.

Okay. I actually literally gave up on that exact page where you made those posts, so I didn't see them. I will take it into consideration, although i thought the handling of gamma's claim made some sense from a role perspective.

9/10

[petapan]

This is an unsynced ffery list, but I don't think I'm far out of sync with bork right now.

Townreading Dandelion Wine and expect to be able to work together effectively in our in-thread masonry.

I'm townreading FL but it's under advisement and I don't expect or want to cooperate with a weathervane in a tornado. If we wind up on the same page on some reads, that's great, but I won't expect the syncs to last very long during this game day and probably the next. 3rd game day is also iffy but a little more likely. And, I'll probably be dead before it matters.

townreading noraa but I don't expect to her to cooperate even with her eventual townreads because having been wrong about her apparently means they're wrong about everything always. I hope she listens to your advice. It could change my thoughts about working her if she does.

Townreading superbowl9 but have tuned him out for now because he and FL have blown up the thread. I'll read that stuff at my leisure when people I want to work with aren't active.

Townleaning on petapan. this read has gone up and down. he's not into "townblocking" for the most part. "trust issues". If we're traveling in the same direction on players, I'll support him.

Townleaning LLD. I think working with her also involves fair winds coming from the same compass points.

other players may wind up in my townpile over the next 24 hours or so.

how do you feel about gamma and firebringer? i think since he got pushed into a corner gamma has been town and i think firebringer is unlikely to have opened with early claiming and wanting to be trunstiled as scum, plus i felt like him going after skitter felt like sincere belief rather than something he'd try to push as scum, knowing it was unlikely to succeed. i 'm in agreement on nora and sb9.

tbh i had thought skitter and sb9 were crumbing masons or some shit which was why i backed down. claim was a bit surprising in that sense. could just be a case of me being bad in a large game again.

10/10 - see you tomorrow.

[petapan]

Oh deacon one other reason I liked the annie wagon: the reasoning against it is "pah! This wagon sucks because we know annie is town, we play with her far too much darling. Remove your silly votes at once and go to your room!" It felt good to stick it to the wine club and have them nervous for a bit.

I think I want the wine club (assuming that means cabd and co.) to tell me if this reminds them of anything. A certain pop star who doth protest too much about the old guard, methinks?

your recent experience with him should tell you that him wanting to go against a group of people he sees as controlling the game isn't a scumtell for him. i just think he feels left out, tbh.


you'd think a guy with an anime avatar would appreciate the power of friendship, jeez


breaking my self-imposed limit to post this now because i know you won't see it if i waited to post it.

[petapan]

Well one of them that I can't talk about is that watcher and innocent child being able to be in the same timeline on day one is not something I think makes it past the reviewers of this game.

The other one is something I'm not going to reveal now but makes it even weirder and I'm certainly hoping that Deacon sees it too

i could see ways it could be done but i know fuckall about setup spec so i'll defer to you there. i'm absolutely bringing this back on your head if it's wrong though. no "i did an oopsie" excuses.

It's a tactic called "Never play defense" and I know you're a lawyer but i wish you'd stop literally playing like one.

you have yourself convinced of a truth, so now you're putting together a case to make it work, not the other way around is waht it feels

hum, sounds like titus


VOTE: something_smart

do think he leans town on net but don't regret putting the spotlight on him for a minute to get something.

Ok i'm kinda done, and am not planning on putting any more effort onto this; I'm making a conscious effort to ignore this via unbookmarking this thread

This has been a remarkably frustrating and unenjoyable experience, requires way too much time, is way too emotionally draining, and has been spilling over into irl, and i'm not in a place where i can take these emotional hits irl for something that i'm not enjoying.

I had a two month hiatus and i've enjoyed exactly none of the 5 games that i've played since i've come back, so i think i should probably do that again

sorry for that and sorry for coaxing you into this. didn't think it'd go this way but i should've known better (also sorry about that other game, but that's complicated and i don't want to get into it). i've been there. usually takes a lot longer to stop hating the game than 2 months. but i hope you find your way back eventually.

i'm still not really understanding the reason for your scumread on firebringer.

1/10

[petapan]

i could see ways it could be done but i know fuckall about setup spec so i'll defer to you there. i'm absolutely bringing this back on your head if it's wrong though. no "i did an oopsie" excuses.

I mean yeah that's fine. You should know that my voice to text typo'd there, it should read "Can" not "Can't"

There's an additional layer to this onion. I think only cobra kai, myself, and deacon see it so far. Maybe the big leafy boy.

I got your meaning there anyway. like i said i expect you to know more about this stuff than i do, and i don't expect my day 1 scumreads to be good, so. i'll always defer if i think someone else is likely to have a good read. i'm about ready to get this day over with once the other thread finishes tunstiling someone else, i don't think making everything into an agonizing decision is helpful in any way. just have to be willing to make a mistake and go from there. i feel decently on seeing a number of people as town so i don't think a miss on day 1 is particularly fatal.


and, well, since things have gottena little haeted, i'll just share some advice a friend gave me when i was coming off a string of games i really hated: don't take things so seriously. i know it sounds simple and dumb, but. it works. fuck, it's a game, it's supposed to be for fun. i'm competitive, i find it hard to hit the off switch on that, but i tried playing a game less seriously and i actually enjoyed myself and played better because of it. i still hate being wrong, losing sucks, but i try to let that stuff was over me a little more. so let's lighten the fuck up.


that's easily the scummiest post i'll make all game


2/10

[petapan]

Fire follow ur script where u tell me I'm special
then I ask if u murder special people
and then u say hell yes :O

i dont like scripts. i prefer to improvise.

Ceph are u saying i am a emo anime boi

i wasn't, but u can be one if it's ur dream.

never let any1 tell u u can't wear ur hair over 1 eye.

late but imagine an emo growlithe boy? omg

Other thread has already turnstyled someone long ago

they have a second one. that seems to be the main holdup to what they're doing.

hench is still obvscum btw

3/10

[petapan]

hey random thought: what if instead of zMuffinMan it was pMuffinMan and he just talked about how much he loves piss all the time haha

[petapan]

No.

[petapan]

pooky what did you DO

[petapan]

regardless of pooky's alignment what a power move. i'm uh, concerned? at the speed of this. but my philosophy has been "get the day over with" and i'm not going to change that now that i'm apparently getting what i wanted

how about midwaybear? i mean i dont scumread him but i got nothing right now.

He has kind of dipped to background noise level, which is a red flag for him, but still has said some things i think are townish for him. would be kind of a nothing vote. i'm confident if i interacted with him in realtime i'd be able to figure out his alignment.

I'm not sure if you are serious about that, but I'll still join you there.
UNVOTE: Flavor Leaf

don't like this. wasn't he a townread in your last readlist?

4/10

[petapan]

power player pooky scares me. but i find fluff pooky suspicious. basically i think i just never trust pooky.

this is a random thought i had, but it seems highly unlikely the setup would have brian's role in a timstream with 2 scum in it, right? that seems overwhelmingly town-favored. food for thought.

midway still seems self-assured when he posts and i am taking that as a good sign, as someone who has recently-ish shared a scum pt w/ him.

-b

as someone who has done that even more recently, not a bad way to read him. should be held accountable for the stuff he puts out, though, which no one is really doing right now.

is this a thing town FL would ever do?

i mean either way it's stupid but

-b

large normal 230 (on the pretentious account) was similarly suicidal, but he was also openly trolling and not really reading that game.

5/10

[petapan]

Annoying Pooky is town Pooky
Take that to the bank
-BCCorp

pooky is very good at taking things over and getting town mislimmed, by his own admission. but if he's doing that here it's because he felt a teammate was threatened. i'm still keeping my (un)vote where it is for now though. willing to listen to what cabd says.


6/10

[petapan]

see you on day 7, i guess


7/10

[petapan]

Ultimately I'm not really too bothered by missing on day 1. Pooky went all out for ther sake of killing a VT and looks to be pretty clear scum. Losing FL is unfortunate and I have to admit I can't read Boon for shit, but if we don't fuck this game up, we get to have confirmed town flavor leaf come back on day 7 and solve the game, and hell, he'll probably enjoy that, at least fot the 10 minutes it'll take him to make 25 posts. midwaybear's wagon vote is pretty terrible as well. it's possible pooky went all out because he felt FL was a threat to skitter. certainly fits his MO.

ATTENTION SAVAGES: i'm not going to endure you talking shit about our thread when you were about to push through a mislim on someone claiming a role with a confirmable counterpart. i don't necessarily blame you for misreading shelly, i can hardly claim to have townread her, but but at some point you're going to accept that someone you like is probably scum. you need to take a hard look at all the people who were actively throwiong doubt on shelly's role - i have that written down as spiffeh, titus, hench, annie, and bell. annie, to their credit, at least had wanted to wait and give shelly a night to, you know, possibly confirm her role, so points there, at the very least. i'm not going to tell you who is scum in there because it would be presumptuous when i've only been casually glancing at your game, but i will tell you there is almost certainly scum in there, because scum wants to abuse setup spec to secure a miselimination in that fashion.

hopefully at this point we can abandon the quixotic quest to rid one thread of scum entirely, as well.

UNVOTE: pookythemagicalbear


1/10

[petapan]

peta we agree that pooky is scum here.

Cabd and ffery think skitter needs to go first.

i kind of consider pooky basically outed and want him gone no matter what but then our elimination order is basically lined up. other thread is more interesting to me in that people really need to piece together what went wrong over there, i know the modkill was unfortunate but that wagon was happening anyway and to me there was obviously something unsavory going on. to me people there need to be a little more self-critical than they seem to have been willing to be so far.

do you want the purple room vote again?

2/10

[petapan]

@OTHER THREAD If we do turnstile Almost50 I think he should be a STRONG contender for your lim today

*saying this without having many real reads in the other thread

there are too many people here i want to kill already

[petapan]

Firebringer seems genuine in his frustration with Pooky?
UNVOTE: Pooky

hey motherfucker why did you unvote FL when your list had him as a town read

[petapan]

I had a case of Flavor Fever

not a good enough answer and you know that

[petapan]

midwaybaer what are your reads right now

i'm breaking my self-imposed post restriction to do this to you

[petapan]

midwaybaer what are your reads right now

i'm breaking my self-imposed post restriction to do this to you

Mostly the same as my read list from yesterday. I don’t really scumread anyone though which is a little disappointing. Wondering why TENET was killed.

Deacon superbowl
Flavor Leaf(?) Noraa(?)
Firebringer Gamma/DEB Dandelion
skitter peta
SS LLD
Hmm I don't feel super good about this. Maybe one scum in second/third tier idk
Deacon and superbowl don't need too much explanation. superbowl scumcasing a general LHF in Gamma seems townie?
I think Flavor is slightly townie for using ":/" in reaction to me shading him. I feel like he would be more lighthearted about that as scum. Noraa is well... I guess she can live for now.
Firebringer has been making solid posts. I have him a bit lower because his playstyle makes me naturally paranoid. I'm wondering why he doesn't want to get turnstiled anymore? Gamma's rage feels pretty real, but I'm not sure how alignment indicative it is. Pretty much just sheeping Deacon on Dandelion. My personal read there is null.
My personal read on skitter is slightly townie, but I guess I'll trust the crowd? Everyone else I don't really townread either.

okay, let's talk about this. why is deacon at the top? why is LLD at the bottom?

are you really that surprised by the tenet kill? we were just in a game where we shot a replacement night 1 as scum

[petapan]

replacement kill doesn't necessarily point to townread players being scum. it simply means that scum likely weren't feeling significant pressure in this thread on day 1. that can be townreads or people who were less active but not getting voted.

[petapan]

alternately pooky killed it because he thought it was hectic

[petapan]

okay, let's talk about this. why is deacon at the top? why is LLD at the bottom?

are you really that surprised by the tenet kill? we were just in a game where we shot a replacement night 1 as scum

Deacon's entrance seemed townie aka the way they reached out to everyone. I would expect them to be more go-with-the flow as scum. LLD hasn't pinged town yet, but it is all relative.
Yeah, I'm surprised by the kill. I expect I would have been surprised in 2180 too if I was town there.

just the entrance? i feel like that'd be an easy post to make as either alignment. what about the rest of their content?

again why exactly were you willing to vote FL yesterday despite him being high up in your reads list?

[petapan]

just the entrance? i feel like that'd be an easy post to make as either alignment. what about the rest of their content?

again why exactly were you willing to vote FL yesterday despite him being high up in your reads list?

I haven't really been paying super close attention to their posts, but I do think they passed off a decent vibe D1. I will read their posts start of today.
About Flavor, it really was Flavor Fever as he says. I thought he was openwolving a bit with the skitter push, and Pooky's vote was a sort of spark.

why do you say that, when skitter was low on your reads list as well? why did you ask this?

I do want us to come to some kind of consensus on skitter sometime soon too.

where did you start distrusting his push on skitter?

[petapan]

why do you say that, when skitter was low on your reads list as well? why did you ask this?

Well, I actually said that skitter was personally a little townie for me. However, I felt that since a lot of people were scumreading her, it overruled my personal judgement especially because she can be a hard read because of skill on both alignments. Anyways, I felt that Flavor Leaf was getting a bit desperate which is why I started getting distrustful of him.

why was she slightly townie to you, personally?

[petapan]

midwaybear's responses to me realtime aren't great but they aren't quite as stiff as i'd expect coming from him as scum. i don't know and i've run out of steam on things to ask. not great but not kill it with fire range. back to self-imposed post restriction land.

[petapan]

Ok then i am assuming that there is scum in cabd/ffery, and that upon my townflip you lot are going to expect the other crumbs to out and try to flip them for being a cc to me, and will be dedicating the rest of time to ensuring that doesnt happen

if you are town i kill cabd basically no matter what

Pooky is scum or massively overconfident in his abilities.

The people scumreading him are, I think, giving him too much credit.

what he did yesterday is entirely in line with his self-described MO as scum, so, no, not giving him too much credit. that he can play like this as town isn't going to make me discount the possibility of him doing it as scum, and as imperium said, it's a matter of how lethargic and useless he was in the forward timestream relative to how aggressively he took control after sending himself over here.

Also, Petapan. Why don't you think I'm town? Must I put you in the scum pile.

if i had to say, you're still probably town, but i am listing everyone who was using bad setup spec as an excuse to vote shelly yesterday, because i think there's scum in there. i even said i was no making a confident pronouncement in those people, because i lack context. i thought i was pretty clear on that end, it's not like ALL of you can be scum but i'd strongly doubt you're all town pushing a misaxe on a town PR. why are you threatening me?

The ones in the other thread need to specify the widely-town-read players they think are scum if they're going with the narrative that the replacement was killed because scum are town read in there

@Something_Smart, Firebringer, etc.

This is a fallacy. I don't need to put forth an alternative theory in order to doubt an existing one.

Plus, my theory is less that scum are townread and more that town are scumread. I'm not really even aware of who's widely townread in here.

in principle i agree with this theory (because i just did that, my team was getting ignored while town fought each other) the thing is i'm not sure there were even anything close to popular scumreads before pooky drove that axe through. which means i don't really have a useful guess as to who makes that kill.

3/10

[petapan]

just push it to a new page, no one is backreading this game so no one will notice

[petapan]

Skitter, Peta has pushed me, Gamma, and Boon, three of the most easily townreadable players in the game, all of which are players sometimes get down and dirty in it. His wall on Gamma was scummy, his case on Boon was scummy, his shading of Boon as town was scummy, his takes have been bad, if he is town he is certainly *playing* like an open wolf. He is actively attacking the *actual* townblocks in the game and succeeding in getting them flipped. If he is town then he has transparently scumsided in his actual play. As I said, flip him or vig him, but he's bad for the other thread one way or the other. He is pushing town that do things that scum think they can push, not scum.

i never walled gamma even if i suspected him at one point (and that turned around pretty quickly), also blow me idiot

4/10

[petapan]

I read everything and have little comment, just want to kill pooky and pick up the pieces tomorrow, see who dies and figure out from there. i don't have strong reads otherwise and don't feel like thinking very hard.

UNVOTE: purple room - superbowl9

5/10

[petapan]

I don't really need an intervention on reads from the other side of the thread. I'm just weirded out Peta hasn't town binned me yet, given their experience w/ my play. I'm not sure how I feel about them not wanting to think after imploring us all to think critically at the start of this day phase and reeval. Luckily, hypocrisy is not a scum tell or we'd all be scum.

i'm not the one having the most serious doubts. i've just given up making strong read pronouncements especially on your thread where i won't know what i'm talking about. i will insist though that scum were angling to get shelly killed via bad setup spec. someone raised a good point about that a50 post.

6/10

[petapan]

theoretically, even if the plan to clear one timeline of scum fails (very likely imo), we still learn things from it. i think it's fine.

1/10

[petapan]

we still learn things from it

What things, or are these the kind of things that only exist if you don't talk about them?

that there's still scum over there.

granted, that's not super useful, given numbers, but it's something.


slow day.


2/10

[petapan]

I didn't get a huge footprint from you in the other thread and had essentially no read on you prior to the end of yesterday so no, not really; I am wondering if you caught anything else of use that isn't related to anyone's direct read on you from yesterday or today though

-b

look at Peta's posts while I push FL and tell me what you think of them.

i was pretty clearly on the record as wanting to get the day over with and was already wrongly suspecting FL. i hadn't really anticipated him self-hammering and ending the day early, though.

We have town leaders who supposedly are in control and yet they let obv town FL die and are now lambasting Pooky for it?

are you considering us in this list or are we still scum to you?
If it's the former I'm not lambasting pooky because he pushed hard on a townie, I am because of the way he did it and just not a fan of his approach today in particular: I feel like there's a lot of stuff he could be doing here if town that's well between rolling over and acting like he did yesterday

-b

My read on you is irrelevant due to the lack of leverage yesterday. I'm speaking from a observer's perspective. Observationally, you, dandelion, fb and Owl had the best town status in the game and were easily in control. Any of you putting your foot down probably slows the wagon and stalls it to stop. Maybe it takes two.

So why did FL die? that's the question

sb9 wanted him dead and firebringer didn't oppose it, deacon and dandelion weren't even around during the whole fiasco, iirc

3/10

[petapan]

What does this tell you?

I've been re-reading the pages of gameplay from my arrival to today, looking at how people who were on the wagon behaved pre-flip and post-flip.

peta's jumped out as shady so far.

I think mwb/peta are the shadiest votes on the wagon.

SB9/Skitter/FBringer feel very townie to me.

good luck w/ that

Pisskop... dude I have no read on that slot. totally under my radar, gotta get something on that apparently.

that's because he's done nothing and will probably flake. flipping him would be a wild guess and nothing more.

4/10

[petapan]

i'm not sure bell has enough of an ego to cross-thread shittalk me as scum, thinking about it. i mean he'd fool me with AtE but this wasn't really AtE and he doesn't gain anything from trying to fool me right now. that's not a read i'd bank on or anything though.

5/10

[petapan]

i'm not sure bell has enough of an ego to cross-thread shittalk me as scum, thinking about it. i mean he'd fool me with AtE but this wasn't really AtE and he doesn't gain anything from trying to fool me right now. that's not a read i'd bank on or anything though.

5/10

actually disregard this entirely, i'm taking this post back

[petapan]

it's because being scum is cooler

[petapan]

it's because being scum is cooler

too bad ur not cool enough to be one.

i'm boring and therefore obvious town

[petapan]

we should definitely eliminate the riddler

[petapan]

we should definitely eliminate the riddler

Crypto?

he'd be very annoyed you compared him to riddler

[petapan]

fair tbh

[petapan]

less exciting than i'd hoped, tbh

was there a reason nacho wanted to bury skitter so bad? beyond mech stuff

fwiw while some of midwaybear's stuff is weird still think the emotional response range to questioning from him is more likely town. if he ever seems to be struggling to coming up with something to say he's scum.

5/10 (for real this time)

[petapan]

then can i get a 1-2 sentence summary of why

6/10

[petapan]

i was hoping for

something

resembling a case so i could go "oh that makes sense" and sheep conscience-free but if you don't have it, okay i guess. not in a position to fight it


i'm going to continue to sit on my hands until the other thread gets their shit together.

7/10

[petapan]

it's okay pooky, you can still try to push on me, maybe it'll make me feel alive

[petapan]

Peta if it helps nacho also said our thread was fucking insane to not get skitter day one.

it doesn't inspire me to action but i have no good reason to dispute it

you can just confess dude

that won't do, i want a fight, dammit

[petapan]

all the talk of crumbs made me remember i was rereading muffin's moon cancer pt and he was getting annoyed at how i wouldn't reveal jack shit about my role it was funny

anyway good night

[petapan]

I just had a peta paranoia flash. :/

i've never been not having those.
-ceph

i would be playing a pretty good game if i were scum, but unfortunately it is not so. anyway this is where i tell you you don't need to worry about me this game.

1/10

[petapan]

It's kind of sad that modern meta for crumbing is "make super obvious crumbs and pray only townies are smarter than a fifty grader" but here we are with half the setup already obvious.

ohh it was this.

and i wanted to do a rant about crumbs are bad.

one day people will come around to my philisophy of crumbs are dumb. One day.

i have never given a shit about crumbs.



i guess i find it funny that the reports from the PT have, like, detail and progression on certain people but on skitter it's like "omg so obvious how did you people not kill this" and nothing else. and i guess watcher + IC is an impossible setup design combo, because a watch-immune mafia member is too far fetched? i dunno. i'm not a setup designer though. and i had some issues day 1 but don't, like, really scumread her on play here. but i have no reason to believe my read is better than anyone else's. i was just expecting something more i suppose. i don't really buy the argument that she's a higher priority elim even if she is scum, though, because the desire to get turnstiled was clearly real so even if she is scum she's not doing shit over here.

I've been lurking around. My reads are mostly the same. I'm pretty sure Firebringer is cop though?

UTBR

2/10

[petapan]

does that plan even work, the flip doesn't get posted until both threads are hammered so i assume any announcement would only take place after the both eliminations go through. not that they're going to clear their thread anyway


1/10

[petapan]

its christmas eve. go spend time with ur loved ones u nerds.

i hate everyone

[petapan]

Other thread: Please comment on your SS and pisskop reads. That's important for me to sort you.

something_smart is maybe town, wouldn't want to kill soon. he's had some opinions.
pisskop is literally nothing, anyone's guess as to what his alignment is. could be scum but i don't think "hasn't said anything" is a case, unfortunately. cross your fingers and hope for a replacement? gun to my head i say scum but at extremely low confidence.