TENET - Algorithm Assembled

[Spiffeh]

no one vote

[Spiffeh]

we should massclaim before anyone votes

I know like 90% of the game is claimed but everyone that hasn't claimed should

[Spiffeh]

Dunnstral, Brian are lock town reads for me

Everyone else is up for grabs

If Dunn corroborates the LLD scum claim story I'm down to lim her

[Spiffeh]

wow this Day is already a whole lot of fun

[Spiffeh]

I would like to remind everyone that A50 is still transparently scum and that should not be lost in the shuffle

Fine with limming LLD today but he needs to go next

[Spiffeh]

Has been useless all game
Voted me yesterday when I had significant pressure despite townreading me all game
Other stuff

ISO me in the inverse thread to find my flawless case on him

[Spiffeh]

I had scum!A50 pegged on Day 1 and no one listened

But please read me based off my posts and don't BoP me because it will just lead to my mislim and town loss TIA

[Spiffeh]

We should absolutely hear from LLD AND massclaim before any votes are cast

[Spiffeh]

unwnd was the most obvious town player I've ever seen Day 1 and Dunn replaced him

Dunn has done nothing to change that opinion

[Spiffeh]

Menalque I think your slot is town if that helps!

[Spiffeh]

no one is voting yet

There is literally no rush

[Spiffeh]

Just to repeat I want to know why the fuck a50 tracked obtusebear

Wow

You'd think he'd track someone like me who he was supposedly suspecting yesterday

It's almost like

He doesn't have the town's best interest in mind???!?!?!?!?!???!?!?!

[Spiffeh]

Annie Edison what is your read on Dandelion?

[Spiffeh]

Because if you still think Cabd is scum now is the time to scream at everyone about it

[Spiffeh]

please unvote

there is no reason to rush anything

PEdit: cool

[Spiffeh]

Lol @ how we have to lim all six scum in a row to win

[Spiffeh]

TBH Firebringer is probably scum with LLD for "sheeping" her onto a stated townread

It's now pretty clear LLD wanted to push peta through quickly and FB has the weakest 'reason' to be on the peta wagon

[Spiffeh]

Have you read any A50 posts, Menal?

[Spiffeh]

mwb because we should massclaim and we literally auto lose if one town player leaves their vote on another town player

[Spiffeh]

I literally can't wait for all of you to be endgamed by A50 lmao

If I'm going to be universally suspected please just lim me now so we don't have to delay the inevitable town loss any longer

[Spiffeh]

Cabd thinking I'm scum here is probably a scum claim

That sucks

[Spiffeh]

I am going last when we massclaim btw

Idc what any of you say about it

[Spiffeh]

Can we get a full list of alive players and their current claims?

[Spiffeh]

yes I am

[Spiffeh]

Actually fuck it

I am a vanilla cop in the inverted thread

I targeted midwaybear and got vanilla as a result

Note that this is only his role in the inverted thread, I am unaware of what he is in Forwards

[Spiffeh]

Yes Menal

We also need to lim all six scum in a row with no mistakes

[Spiffeh]

Brian if you had to name the other three scum who would they be?

[Spiffeh]

I am a vanilla cop in the inverted thread

...why were you making a big deal about claiming last then? Also why didn’t you check A50?

Claiming last is ideal because I could potentially catch scum in a lie if they claim vanilla and actually have an ability. If they know of the existence of the vanilla cop they know they'd have to come up with another claim or risk being outed.

I then realized no one would ever believe me if I caught someone in a lie anyway since we're at LYLO so there's no point in waiting

A50 has softed what he is several times and I believe his role is confirmed regardless of his alignment

[Spiffeh]

Firebringer unvote

[Spiffeh]

Dunn there are currently three votes on Dandelion {Pooky, Brian, midwaybear) and there has been no hammer

Do you think these three are all scum? Or do you think scum just haven't organized their hammer yet?

[Spiffeh]

also lol @ how you both came in the thread at the exact same time

[Spiffeh]

Firebringer should claim

So should anyone else that hasn't claimed yet

[Spiffeh]

I am concerned that midwaybear wanted Pooky dead all Day yesterday and now suddenly is voting with him with no hesitation in LYLO

[Spiffeh]

Pooky's latest posts have been super scummy and any town player voting with him at this point should unvote immediately

[Spiffeh]

Pooky is so obviously pushing for the turbo lim in the same way LLD pushed through skitter turnstile and peta lim yesterday

as if

This could have been planned in the scum PT?!?!?!?!?!

[Spiffeh]

{LLD, A50, Pooky, midwaybear, Firebringer, someone in Forwards}

You're welcome everyone

[Spiffeh]

Annie Edison/Gypyx as the last Forwards scum?

[Spiffeh]

Pooky your hard push and the votes on Dandelion's wagon literally outed your entire scum team lmao

[Spiffeh]

Brian needs to unvote immediately

[Spiffeh]

Omg if he's the last scum in forwards I'll cry

[Spiffeh]

i actually think spiffeh is town now. I will not falter on this read any longer.

If you're town you need to stop feeding into Pooky's bullshit

I don't think you are though

[Spiffeh]

Menalque you should ISO Pooky and you will see why his sudden confidence is so unlikely to come from town

The only other time this happened was when he turbo-limmed Flavor Leaf Day 1, who flipped town

Town literally needs to vote together and I have never seen more of a scum claim than Pooky's push rn

[Spiffeh]

Pooky please provide me your current estimate of the scum team

Me Dandelion Dunn

Who else?

[Spiffeh]

Bell's death confirms scum strongman in Forwards right?

[Spiffeh]

Yes lld is scum but that’s still no reason to rush this and there’s 0 reasons I’m seeing why you can’t be scum with her or why dunn can’t be

Dunn I don't really get what you're asking?

my results do not state the player specifically but mention my "target"

(trying to paraphrase)

[Spiffeh]

Uh ignore that quote idk where it came from

I was responding to Dunn's question

[Spiffeh]

What did I sit on?

I literally just learned the nature of why Dunn and Cabd were suspecting you

Either way this doesn't mean you're not scum lol

[Spiffeh]

vanilla cop

[Spiffeh]

LLD you really need to rally the troops in the scum PT I can't believe you're letting this happen

you guys are scum claiming left and right

[Spiffeh]

midwaybear if you think Pooky is scum than why on fucking earth are you voting with him in LYLO?

[Spiffeh]

superbowl did you miss the part where Dunnstral said LLD claimed a guilty on petapan who flipped town?

And LLD literally admitted to that?

[Spiffeh]

Also anyone saying OmG dAnDeLiOn IsNt HaMmErEd YeT it's because scumlord A50 hasn't even checked in yet

And it's probably difficult to coordinate a hammer with six scum regardless

So stop peppering that in like it means anything

[Spiffeh]

midwaybear you are actually scum claiming if you think Pooky is scum and you're still voting with him

That's all there is to it

Remove your vote now, there is absolutely no reason to vote here as town

[Spiffeh]

Pooky how do you reconcile midwaybear vocally scum reading you all game but feeling comfortable enough to be voting with you in LYLO?

Other than him being your scumbuddy and this being your game winning mislim?

[Spiffeh]

I am the one you should be apologizing to

I am the one actually fighting to save you

[Spiffeh]

Yeah that is actually atrocious from Brian

[Spiffeh]

midwaybear is vanilla

[Spiffeh]

Actually fuck it

I am a vanilla cop in the inverted thread

I targeted midwaybear and got vanilla as a result

Note that this is only his role in the inverted thread, I am unaware of what he is in Forwards

[Spiffeh]

You must not be reading the thread lmao

[Spiffeh]

midwaybear unvote

Town has no reason to vote quickly here

If town votes town scum can hammer and we lose instantly

idk how many times this needs to be said

[Spiffeh]

@midwaybear That's fine

But as town, you know that if you're wrong then scum can coordinate a hammer and we lose instantly?

Whereas if we don't vote we have time to discuss all of our options without the risk of scum ending the game immediately?

[Spiffeh]

notty why are you playing this LYLO the exact opposite of how I'd expect town!notty to play it

I know it's only a few hours in but a lot has happened including quick votes and ridiculous hard pushes and fake guilties and you seem to not give a shit?

[Spiffeh]

None of this discussion requires you to be certain of anything

I do expect you to be in the thick of things as town here,, yes

Especially when votes are flying everywhere when they shouldn't be

[Spiffeh]

I may or may not have gotten in trouble for my phone use at work over the weekend

And am currently trying to finish up to go home so sorry?

That's fine

Why didn't you just say this instead of that 'I'm not certain of anything' BS?

[Spiffeh]

What?

[Spiffeh]

(I understand what you mean I just wanted to continue the train)

[Spiffeh]

If it helps your solve you can confidently consider LLD and A50 as flipped scum at this point

[Spiffeh]

Probs Pooky too

[Spiffeh]

uh I really don't think Dunn and probably not superbowl

Annie I'll probably save for the resurrected townies to figure out but I am not thrilled about them

I am locktown

[Spiffeh]

ugh that's a lot of work

[Spiffeh]

Brian needs to unvote immediately

I'm not scum and I'm not unvoting.

Then you have some conveniently bad takes and horrible decision making as town in LYLO

A50 hasn't checked in, and since you're certain he's scum you should know this is a potential reason why Dandelion hasn't been hammered

Luckily we can have the luxury of time if you get over yourself a little bit and just unvote, even if you ultimately want Dandelion today there's no reason to rush things

Please unvote

[Spiffeh]

It's nice to see that my passionate defiance and call out of Dandelion's wagon has gone unnoticed and unappreciated by both heads

[Spiffeh]

LLD is absolutely the lim for today btw

[Spiffeh]

I am really starting to think Brian is scum now

I can somewhat buy his justification for keeping his vote on Dandelion now (still awful overall, but it's at least grounded in reason), I DO NOT buy that he votes Dandelion over LLD in any scenario:

In his reads list (209) he has LLD in the lowest spot and Dandelion around the middle of the pack. At this point Dandelion or Dunn had already mentioned LLD fucking up her claim in the neighborhood so it was clear we were getting Dandelion/Dunn vs. LLD, but he starts the Dandelion wagon with no explanation and is unphased when Pooky and midwaybear (two players LOWER and therefore scummier than Dandelion in his reads list) insta-vote in response. And then he says he's leaving for the night?????

This is not town-in-LYLO behavior and any credibility he has gained throughout the game has been completely dashed in my eyes

[Spiffeh]

Hey A50

The only reason I don't want you dead today is because LLD guiltied petapan yesterday and is literally admitting to it. She is confirmed scum.

Do you still believe I should be going after to you today?

Is that something you just haven't read yet because you're not actually trying to solve the game and instead are prioritizing your own survivability?

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Brian why don't you address why you did what you did instead of continuing to spew garbage?

I am supposedly your strongest townread (not that your actions have AT ALL been consistent with your reads)

You should be making me understand where you're fucking coming from, not antagonizing me

[Spiffeh]

If Brian is town and continues with his current fucking attitude this game is over and there's no point in trying anymore

Just a heads up to anyone that actually wants to devote their time to the game

It probably won't be worth it

[Spiffeh]

Firebringer how do you feel about my 816 about Brian?

[Spiffeh]

I am really starting to think Brian is scum now

I can somewhat buy his justification for keeping his vote on Dandelion now (still awful overall, but it's at least grounded in reason), I DO NOT buy that he votes Dandelion over LLD in any scenario:

In his reads list (209) he has LLD in the lowest spot and Dandelion around the middle of the pack. At this point Dandelion or Dunn had already mentioned LLD fucking up her claim in the neighborhood so it was clear we were getting Dandelion/Dunn vs. LLD, but he starts the Dandelion wagon with no explanation and is unphased when Pooky and midwaybear (two players LOWER and therefore scummier than Dandelion in his reads list) insta-vote in response. And then he says he's leaving for the night?????

This is not town-in-LYLO behavior and any credibility he has gained throughout the game has been completely dashed in my eyes

Quoting this every page so it isn't ever forgotten

[Spiffeh]

{LLD, Almost50, Pooky, Brian, midwaybear?, Annie Edison?}

My current solve

[Spiffeh]

Brian since Dandelion is confirmed scum to you in your mind, what is the rest of the scum team?

{Dandelion, LLD, A50...}

Who else?

[Spiffeh]

LLD is caught scum, I wouldn't put much stock into any of her posts or associations today

They are chock full of manipulation and lies!!!!

[Spiffeh]

In my mind LLD lim is the sure thing that gets us to tomorrow where the town players that died last phase all resurrect

(Who are probably going to fucking call me scum btw if peta/Bell/skitter's earlier reads on me are any indication so that should be fun)

I'm not doing anyone but LLD today

[Spiffeh]

I will consider Dandelion/LLD crossbus more tomorrow when we have confirmed town to bounce those ideas off of, particularly ffery/bork who have been with Cabd/Cephy in the neighborhood the whole game

[Spiffeh]

I actually came into today scumreading Dandelion

I thought the push against them by Pooky/mwb/you combined with LLD's scum claim looked like scum were trying to quick push them

That may have caused me to overcorrect my reads in a way that probably isn't warranted, but I am considering them more than I've made apparent.

Between the two of you there is probably one scum, and I am leaning towards you but not committed to it.

At this point I'm just trying to get the obvscum out of the way and hope I get nk'd so I don't have to deal with the five other LYLO's we're gonna have if we make it that far

[Spiffeh]

Can you go more in depth on the superbowl9 read? I'm not seeing it

[Spiffeh]

You think that LLD and Dandelion planned this elaborate cross-bus of each other, right?

How does superbowl9 townreading both of them fit into that narrative?

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notty can you not say things like that if you're town thanks

[Spiffeh]

You and Brian are questionable to me right now

If there is a chance either of you are town I want you to show me

Brian has started building the bridge with his recent content

You have done jack shit

PEdit: Enjoy your burrito and come play!

[Spiffeh]

I should probably read Forwards

I mostly stopped after I got turnstiled

[Spiffeh]

I want to know Dandelion's current solve

[Spiffeh]

hey guys I'm kinda drunk anyone wanna chat

[Spiffeh]

hey guys I'm kinda drunk anyone wanna chat

if this were not LYLO with several players already having scum claimed I would 100% be wagoning Annie Edison

discuss

[Spiffeh]

Firebringer I see you come hang out

[Spiffeh]

Hey Spiffeh, you had Annie as a question mark in your latest scumteam guess. I'm assuming the people without question marks have scumclaimed in your eyes. You also had me as a question mark too. How have your reads on us progressed from that point?
I also see that you agree that LLD is outed scum, so how do you feel about superbowl incessantly defending her?

I still think you and Annie could potentially be scum

Not as certain on you guys as I am LLD/A50

TBH I'm a little thrown off by Pooky unvoting when he would probably have no reason to as scum which moves him to you/Annie Edison category

Superbowl seems like extremely misguided town to me, I find his opinion that LLD is town to be awful but not necessarily scummy (it appears I'm in the minority on that ). Probably will have to reevaluate down the line if I'm still around after LLD/A50 lims.

[Spiffeh]

Yeah Annie and A50 both being scum is possible but unlikely

Probably the scum read I'm most willing to drop

[Spiffeh]

midwaybear did you ask me about superbowl because you're scum reading him?

[Spiffeh]

Dandelion vs. Brian is not something I really want to decide between which is why I want LLD today

[Spiffeh]

That is a decision I want the reviving town tree stumps (peta/skitter/ffery/bork/Bell) to weigh in on

[Spiffeh]

^ That was referring to Dandelion vs. Brian

[Spiffeh]

Don't worry Cephy she is my ideal lim for today

I just see no reason to rush anything

[Spiffeh]

Ceph I am slightly concerned that Cabd is not raging and going completely scorched earth at the fact that you guys could be the potential mislim in LYLO

Help me feel better

[Spiffeh]

More than "slightly" if I'm being real

[Spiffeh]

superbowl remind me who your solve for the scum team is again?

So I can dismantle it limb from limb and get you to do what I want instead

[Spiffeh]

Just a reminder that A50 is a scumster

To your credit this is a really good take!

[Spiffeh]

The problem is A50 will never fucking convince anyone that he's town based given his track record

LLD will 100% be able to talk her way out of her current situation if she's left alive long enough and her detractors start getting killed off

[Spiffeh]

Can someone explain to me why we think there are split scum PTs?

That was mentioned Day 1 and I still don't understand why that is a theory

[Spiffeh]

This is fair

Personally even if I were to get paranoid I wouldn't be pushing the same thing as pooky here; that means I'd have to go for brian

dandelion wine really doesn't feel like scum to me

I'd vote Brian over Dandelion Wine but feel that forcing it between these two is what is suboptimal

The problem is there are a few players (mainly Superbowl, who I think is town) who bafflingly don't seem willing to vote LLD today which means unfortunately we might have to decide between Brian and Dandelion today anyway

[Spiffeh]

Annie Edison said some shit vaguely defending LLD today

lemme find it

[Spiffeh]

Also lld claimed the scientist lady at the start of the movie and nachotammy had the protagonist so I’m really not that pressed about her actually having flavor and think it’s sus people are

I guess they never said they're not willing to vote for her

It still rubbed me the wrong way though

[Spiffeh]

hey guys

[Spiffeh]

VOTE: LLD

Why'd you change your vote?

[Spiffeh]

UNVOTE: Brian Skies

Brian Skies' behavior today does not come from town, and I'm ready for this Day to end

[Spiffeh]

UNVOTE: Brian Skies

Brian Skies' behavior today does not come from town, and I'm ready for this Day to end

[Spiffeh]

UNVOTE: Brian Skies

Brian Skies' behavior today does not come from town, and I'm ready for this Day to end

[Spiffeh]

I literally can't wait for all of you to be endgamed by A50 lmao

I literally can't wait for all of you to be endgamed by A50 lmao

I literally can't wait for all of you to be endgamed by A50 lmao

I literally can't wait for all of you to be endgamed by A50 lmao

I literally can't wait for all of you to be endgamed by A50 lmao

I literally can't wait for all of you to be endgamed by A50 lmao

I literally can't wait for all of you to be endgamed by A50 lmao

[Spiffeh]

This was the most stressful fucking game I ever played

I had to basically scum claim Day 2 to try to keep myself and Gypyx alive so we wouldn't autolose lmao

[Spiffeh]

unwnd I'm sad you replaced out I could have used someone hard townreading me in Forwards

[Spiffeh]

This is why neighborhoods are trash btw

This game was agonizing at times but I enjoyed everyone overall and hope to play with you guys again another time!

[Spiffeh]

I don't even remember how to play as town anymore

I had a full on meltdown Day 2 when it looked like the thread was gonna condense on Gypyx and I was scheduled to be turnstiled in the Purple Room

FUCK the Night 2-all-town-thread-confirm mechanic by the way

FUCK THAT MECHANIC TO HELL

[Spiffeh]

balancing the all-town-in-a-thread perk with something that rewarded scum for achieving a majority in a forwards or inverted thread were all things I should have considered or caught the errors of better.

This was the biggest miss for me

avoiding this worst case scenario was literally all we talked about in the scum PT

Like I literally couldn't play the game the way that would have benefited us most as a scum team because we had to worry about this

[Spiffeh]

It ended up working out but if the town played at all competently (no offense ;_;) we would have been screwed because every game mechanic favored Town and shit all over scum

[Spiffeh]

Like after Day 4 town are rewarded for their mislims by having four dead confirmed town come back each fucking day to help find scum

wtf is that

[Spiffeh]

The peta death was very unfortunate and very shocking at the same time

We had peta pegged to die that Day no matter what, we had control of that thread

I did feel bad for him there was literally nothing he could do

[Spiffeh]

if it wasn't for the vanilla cop I don't think we would have won

[Spiffeh]

we would've forced Spiffeh into a very precarious predicament with regards to his turnstile.

Yeah I was melting down all of Day 2 in the discord because of that possibility

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And the sheer amt of flak i got for having the audacity to point these things out was not fun

If it makes you feel better, I would have been right there with you if I were town

I would have yelled and screamed it would have been impossible to ignore