Warehouse 13: The Mafia Game (Game Over)

[SirCakez]

Well, it doesn't fit the flavor. :/

Jinks could look into your eyes and tell if you're lying.

i cant even

[SirCakez]

can't wait to die because in some episode of some random SyFy show this Steve dude did something that was not related to artifact detection

can't wait to die because in some episode of some random SyFy show this Steve dude did something that was not related to artifact detection

can't wait to die because in some episode of some random SyFy show this Steve dude did something that was not related to artifact detection

can't wait to die because in some episode of some random SyFy show this Steve dude did something that was not related to artifact detection

can't wait to die because in some episode of some random SyFy show this Steve dude did something that was not related to artifact detection

can't wait to die because in some episode of some random SyFy show this Steve dude did something that was not related to artifact detection

can't wait to die because in some episode of some random SyFy show this Steve dude did something that was not related to artifact detection

can't wait to die because in some episode of some random SyFy show this Steve dude did something that was not related to artifact detection

can't wait to die because in some episode of some random SyFy show this Steve dude did something that was not related to artifact detection

[SirCakez]

i don't fucking know anything about this show but from what you're saying sangres it sounds like someone who can look at someone's eyes and tell if they are lying would be able to "detect" things

[SirCakez]

Sircakez appears to be broken.
*taps*

Calm down. Tell me town stuff.

like what? I have made who I want to wagon clear and a bunch of scum + math who has no idea what he's doing + town!rage Kuribo + mason!LLD are wagoning me
i don't know what to do with this

[SirCakez]

This is going to be my last post tonight in regards to cakeboi

LMAO fucking liar

[SirCakez]

i literally once scumslipped as town because I forgot how part of my role worked
IDK why you'd expect I know what to do with this thing

[SirCakez]

We have three pages left let's not waste any posts

[SirCakez]

We have three pages left let's not waste any posts

This was a joke post btw

Oh fuck it, I have it when people dance around shit and we've got enough claims out there.

I'm Mrs. Frederics, an x-shot artifact usage detector.

I've softed this a few places, and this was why my early game focus was on artifacts and rooting out liars.

A part of me thinks we don't work together on the same side, but maybe we do. This claim was probably dumb, but I figure I fit right in now.

Can you elaborate on artifact usage?

I wish I had kept my promise of playing video games, this is atrocious, the claim is fine (And when the "Flavor is NAI/Scum have fakeclaims" crowd was needed the most, they vanished...) and the votes on this are a giant scum/nullslot roll call. I maintain this even if Cakez flips scum.

I mean, I still think he's scum post-claim. Not because his flavor doesn't match (note: I don't know anything about the flavor) but because:

-He doesn't appear to have put the thought into this role that he would have as town
-The claim can easily be a scum role, so I'm not going to flip and say we shouldn't elim when he can still very well be scum regardless of role, or indeed even because of it

I literally never put much thought into my roles as town

[SirCakez]

I didn't take Tammy's claim as a CC we have synergy

[SirCakez]

VOTE: mastina
It seems nothing else is viable

[SirCakez]

Do you have a suggestion for me? I honestly have not really been thinking about it

[SirCakez]

If no one suggests anything by the end of this page I will just pick someone i think is sus
I don't think using it on bork is helpful

[SirCakez]

Mmk i submitted on quiet slot because that's a contentious area and could be useful

[SirCakez]

Cakez, what do you think about sangres?

Probably town? Idk other people are way scummier and nothing has pinged me from them.

[SirCakez]

I wish titus and Dunn had not left the table

[SirCakez]

I can't read or play right now BUT POOKY WILL DIE TODAY I WILL NOT ACCEPT ANY OTHER BRONZE

[SirCakez]

He is a SCUMFUCK who tried to save his buddy Mastina with his shit wagon on me

[SirCakez]

I will write the case this week as soon as I have some spare time

[SirCakez]

LMAO how could I be lying? The evidence is in front of everyone's eyes. You have no defense and you know it.

[SirCakez]

Math I can't deal with you today

[SirCakez]

Quiet slot did not have artifacts yesterday btw

[SirCakez]

Final Afternoon Vote Count

Afternoon 1 will end in (expired on 2021-03-01 23:59:59)

With 17 players alive, it takes 9 votes to Bronze.

Dunnstral (1): quiet
SirCakez (7): mastina, Dunnstral, Kitty Trauma Team, Lady Lambdadelta, PookyTheMagicalbear, Titus, MathBlade
mastina (9--BRONZED): GreyICE, Prism, Battle Mage, Tammy, SirCakez, borkjerfkin, Bell, Sangres, Spiffeh

Not voting (0):


Mod notes: 83/85 pages used (switching to post count here: 2080/2125 posts)

Battle Mage is V/LA until Monday evening
LLD is V/LA.

Flip incoming

[SirCakez]

LMAO how could I be lying? The evidence is in front of everyone's eyes. You have no defense and you know it.

Oooh I wanna quote this for later for how bad it is XD

There’s a phrase for that ugh my old brain and forgetting.

But please keep confirming me town

Bah bah bah bah I’m loving it.

I have you as town dude

[SirCakez]

That post you quoted was @pooky

[SirCakez]

VOTE: lld
This is fine

[SirCakez]

the comb is literally useless and not worth using?

it literally makes 1 player need 1 more vote to bronze

LMAO skimming and saw this
Remember all the people having a heart attack about this yesterday?

[SirCakez]

I will write the case this week as soon as I have some spare time

I will write the case this week as soon as I have some spare time

I will write the case this week as soon as I have some spare time

I will write the case this week as soon as I have some spare time

I will write the case this week as soon as I have some spare time

I will write the case this week as soon as I have some spare time

[SirCakez]

Why was Sangres/KTT killed?

[SirCakez]

Who are the scum pushing you now?

[SirCakez]

Who are the scum pushing you now?

Were is past tense. Ergo your question is bad.

There were minor susses today but no pushes.

Pretty sure scum know I am no longer viable but want LLD’s mason partner(s) so they tried riling her up intentionally.

Ok who were the scum then?

[SirCakez]

VOTE: pookyVOTE: pookyVOTE: pookyVOTE: pookyVOTE: pookyVOTE: pookyVOTE: pookyVOTE: pookyVOTE: pookyVOTE: pookyVOTE: pookyVOTE: pookyVOTE: pookyVOTE: pookyVOTE: pookyVOTE: pooky

[SirCakez]

Pooky won’t be elimmed, it’s like trying to elim the moderator.

Wtf?

[SirCakez]

You basically never pushed Mastina you spent a hell of a lot time pushing me your leashing is irrelevant

[SirCakez]

Where did I say I pushed Mastina lmao

[SirCakez]

I know you're desperate to find things to push me with but c'mon

[SirCakez]

What's your point Math I never even implied what you changed that quote to

[SirCakez]

The vote is NOT RELEVANT
you didn't spend any time trying to convince people Mastina was scum but you spent a LOT of time trying to convince people that I, the counterwagon to scum Mastina, was scum. That's a scum move.

[SirCakez]

You are trying to put words into my mouth so you can defend yourself against things I never said

[SirCakez]

Where did I say I pushed Mastina lmao

YOU ARE LITERALLY SAYING I AM SCUM FOR NOT PUSHING MASTINA

WHEN YOU LITERALLY DID NOT PUSH MASTINA EITHER LOLOLOLOL

I didn't spend any time pushing the counterwagon to scum like you did

[SirCakez]

I didn't spend any time pushing the counterwagon to scum like you did

WAS DUNNSTRAL A COUNTERWAGON TO SCUM!?!??!?

Not at eod when there was literally only one other option aka the most critical period of the entire day

[SirCakez]

I have not given myself towncred ANYWHERE
Again you are putting words in my mouth to try to attack me with

[SirCakez]

Yup there he goes running away again when I call his crap out
Get ready to die big boi

[SirCakez]

I don't think you can argue Dunn was not a counter to Mastina and co at some points
My point with Pooky is that Dunn was not a counter at the prime late-stage moment where it was Mastina or me

[SirCakez]

Afternoon Vote Count 1.17

Afternoon 1 will end in (expired on 2021-03-01 23:59:59)

With 17 players alive, it takes 9 votes to Bronze.

Dunnstral (4): quiet, MathBlade, SirCakez, Spiffeh
Titus (1): borkjerfkin
SirCakez (6): mastina, Dunnstral, Kitty Trauma Team, Lady Lambdadelta, PookyTheMagicalbear, Titus
mastina (5): GreyICE, sangres, Prism, Battle Mage, Tammy
Mathblade (1): Bell

Not voting (0):


Mod notes: 77/85 pages used

Battle Mage is V/LA until Monday evening

Go reread from that VC, the wagon on you was long dead at that point and not viable.

[SirCakez]

When mastina wagon grew, the people on mastina switched to try to eliminate me instead; these are the facts

I think this is a fair point

[SirCakez]

im here reading don't expect the case until later this week though I'm still busy and I need like one hour flat no distractions to build it but I have a little time to catch up now

[SirCakez]

If we are not murdering Pooky ASAP then I could also do Titus for sure. I'm less sold on Dunn then I was yesterday. Really need to see DGB posts.
Once again I probably have scum in a blindspot.

Why the FUCK would you ever kill either of those slots, that better be a scum doublekill of some sort

on this note - I still don't understand why KTT/Sangres died. Obv one was scum NK but why TF did the other die?
I don't believe that LLD is lying and the comb is actually a Vig

Actually no my original idea is kinda sound I think. If LLD keeps the artifacts, then we know where they are, which makes mine and cakez' jobs easier?

So if cakez is town then the two of us have a chance to find people who really shouldn't have artifacts unless they started with them right?

Nevermind, it doesn't matter because we still know who the day's artifacts go to, so we can still work around it.

I was thinking about this overnight and my hope is if I catch someone fishy that we will be able to ferret out whether it's something they will have legit have started with or not. I mean anybody who I detect with an Artifact who then goes "oh ya I had that this whole time" is already incredibly suspicious in my eyes.

With 17 players alive, it takes 9 votes to Bronze.

Dunnstral (1): quiet
SirCakez (7): mastina, Dunnstral, Kitty Trauma Team, Lady Lambdadelta, PookyTheMagicalbear, Titus, MathBlade <- HEY TOWN IS THERE A GOOD REASON NOT TO MURDERFUCK FROM HERE?
mastina (9--BRONZED): GreyICE, Prism, Battle Mage, Tammy, SirCakez, borkjerfkin, Bell, Sangres, Spiffeh

Looking at this I'm really not sure who was bussing. Bork, BM or Tammy maybe???
The wagon on me is just so full of questionable people that I don't even want to go busser-hunting today.

VOTE: LLD

@Math, That wagon analysis (it's not a full vca) was relatively spot on. mastina is confscum.
Dunn being scum requires mastina and Dunn double up on the Cakez wagon. I don't see why scum would do that given the options. Maybe if Cakez is town but it's just unlikely behavior from scum.
KTT is conftown because they are dead.
LLD is conftown to most. I don't fully trust them but they are highly likely town.
I know I am town.
You I lean towards being an anti town townie.

That leaves Pooky.


Can you vote LLD so we can get to the afternoon?

This post is awful and it suggests that Titus and Pooky want to anti-spew here because scum think one of them is going down today.

And you know what, yeah, I think spiffeh can easily be scum despite placing the hammer vote at the end of yesterday

All of BM/Spiffeh/Titus deserve scrutiny here

hmm I like this pile and post (altho I lean more Spiff town) but BM definitely looks worse here. I'm looking at his waffling yesterday where he couldn't decide where to leave his vote - it seemed like he wanted to make sure he was on the "right" wagon depending on what went through (either bussing mastina if she went down or using his vote to help push a miselim on me through)

MathBlade, you want to yeet Pooky?

MathBlade, you want to yeet Pooky?

No. I am saying if Titus continues to push Pooky I will yeet her and likely be successful.

I will NEVER want to yeek Pooky.

Who do you want to yeet. I will vote there too.

What is going on here DGB?

I don't feel as strongly about Cake being scum, he just might be a terrible player.

appeasement is coming now
FEAR ME SCUMBEAR

So but really I wanna know why the fuck cakez did inventory on quiet when he’s been all up in pooky’s ass?

my thinking was like a cop or vig. you don't cop/vig the highly-suspected slots, you look into people who are on the sidelines who no one can read. i have someone like that in mind for today unless someone has a good reason to use it on someone else.

@Sircakez, what was your result on Quiet?

no artifact

I don't really want to respond to any more Math posts because he doesn't listen and it's very aggravating and a waste of both time and our limited posts. If he doesn't STFU I might policy-vote him. honestly after reading the last two pages I might just vote him anyways JFC.

Also taking suggestions on who to artifact detect. I already have someone in mind but ya shoot me your ideas if you have any.

I'm not sure scum!Spiffeh hammers mastina there? Especially when I was still on the table and could easily have been the miselim instead.

[SirCakez]

new for today

want to yeet: Titus, Pooky
would yeet:
considering yeeting but would not yeet atm: Spiffeh, BM, Quiet/DGB, Bork (there is scum in here but also scummy town so its hard to decide :/)
idk: GreyIce, Dunn
special pile: Mathblade
don't want to yeet: Tammy, Bell
never yeet: Prism, LLD

[SirCakez]

I did say Quiet is town yesterday but I REALLLY dislike how DGB's only move here was to start sheeping Math (this is not connected to my math read they could have been sheeping anyone)

[SirCakez]

appeasement is coming now
FEAR ME SCUMBEAR

there is a huge elephant in the room about pooky right now that you are utterly ignoring. Why?

???????????

[SirCakez]

VOTE: bork
I'm still not sure what to make of Spiffeh but I'll sheep this for pressure until I can get my Pooky case out
Bork has been underwhelming all game

[SirCakez]

I think KTT was somebody's failed yolo vig shot...the artifacts we have seen so far (the comb/trident) are nowhere near as strong as a vig shot

[SirCakez]

Every post over like 250 words is probably something I don't bother to write as scum. I promise. Start to accept it and knock off your paranoia, it's starting to irritate me.

[SirCakez]

help us make him do that Prism

[SirCakez]

@Spiff my new thing with Dunn is that he's right that he was a counter to Mastina at some points

[SirCakez]

allegedly

[SirCakez]

yeah Prism you have scum in your TRs somewhere
definitely look at BM - I think he slipped past me day 1 and has looked a lot worse today

[SirCakez]

Pooky (and whoever read the Pooky wall about me and mastina) I don't know if you've followed my recent scum games but that's just not how I'd be bussing somebody. I'd go all in on it or I would be defending them. Look at Among Us and BooneyToonz.

[SirCakez]

I am not accusing you of trying to bus Mastina!scum.

I am saying you were trying to yeet someone else and protect Mastina!scum.

Your posts, progression and votes during the day suggest this.

you were only forced into bussing Mastina!Scum at the very end when you realized all your efforts to secure miselims that were not named Mastina had failed and it was either vote Mastina or accept death yourself.

If you were to accept Death over voting Mastina, she would look bad if you were to flip scum, so you put a half hearted vote on her and couldn't find the motivation to push her.

Something that you should've been able to find if you were town teetering on the edge of (E-1) with the only other viable wagon someone you found scummy and were willing to yeet the entire day.

@Prism I understand,

there's other stuff other than his progression on Mastina that pings me.

such as this phantom case that he's been promising to put together on me for the last two weeks or whatever that has yet to appear.

I feel like I've written a fucking novel in the time.

ah I understand
I can see this argument so I will give you it

[SirCakez]

yeah Prism you have scum in your TRs somewhere
definitely look at BM - I think he slipped past me day 1 and has looked a lot worse today

eh i just think there's too much rage and cussing for me to really get invested. plus we are racking up so many pages and not enough flips. and when i do show up and post stuff, nobody really engages so yeah, hard work.

mmm I don't buy this because we've been in games at this pace before and you've had much more to say

[SirCakez]

appeasement is coming now
FEAR ME SCUMBEAR

there is a huge elephant in the room about pooky right now that you are utterly ignoring. Why?

???????????

Like I'm not looking for confirmation that anyone's a mason, but that's being fucking heavily touted right now and I'd be inclined to look elsewhere today.

i have never been good at finding crumbs
if someone is crumbing mason so obviously that people can see it then just come out and say it because scum will definitely have caught it anyways and then I won't waste any more time pushing someone we know is town. i don't have enough time these days to deal with this kind of crap.

This is why I am encouraging focus in Cakez/Titus/Dunn. If you think Cakez is town >> Scum almost certainly are on the wagon giving Mastina flipped scum. Therefore you'd look at Dunn or Titus.
If you think Cakez is scum (as I do) then it's more likely a on off split or you could assume DGB buddying and then one on Mastina maybe, but I would encourage focusing on what prior days gave us. Trying to snipe a player in isolation and go "AHA! SCUM!" may not fit in context. If you're that sure a person is scum, then change the buddies or figure out why the person does something weird.

what do you think of quiet/DGB slot?
I don't think it's just a "content" elim if we go there because DGB's content has been terrible

[SirCakez]

Hey Dunnstral

Of everyone here, you know best why I'm not feeling having reads and pushing them. It's very insulting being punished for being wrong.

Yeah. I am in *passive player mode* right now and a lot of this is ON YOU.

So, get outta of here with your shitty, scummy vote. You can't read me for diddly squat.

Speaking of players who can't read me for diddly squat, and whose VCA is so tragically wrong that it's sometimes considered yeet-worthy. Titus. Titus, your VCA blows chunks once again and you scumread me 80% of the time, and suspect me the remaining 20%. So, get outta here too with that rubbish. At least I have learned, the hard way, that your VCA being pure trash doesn't mean you're scum.

Prism. Remember that game where you did me a favor a couple of times? Hint hint I am town.

MathBlade got it right.

this post is awful - blaming other people for their bad content and trying to ferret out a TR from Prism

[SirCakez]

spiffeh why are u obsessed with the people scumreading you?

[SirCakez]

mm ok I can see the annoyance with Dunn
I have never called you a decently strong townread. maybe very slightly town at best mainly because of the hammer on scum-mastina.

[SirCakez]

Spiffeh how do you reconcile scum!dunn with the fact he was a counter to Mastina early on?

[SirCakez]

I will have time to build the Pooky case tomorrow but I will be pissed if I put a bunch of time into it and then you go "lol doesn't matter im mason" because my free time is very limited these days
Pooky - you were in Legends of Hidden Temple, you know that I can back up a case when I promise one. You also know that it takes me a lot of time to put them together, the Agar one took me forever too.

Prism - can you specifically tell me what you think of BM's posting today? I think his excuse that he doesn't want to deal with ""spam and rage posting"" is so fake - this is one of the chillest games I've played in a long time.

Spiffeh, Cakez, you were both interested in bork and wanted more from him.

Do you feel that he failed to deliver with his latest posts? If so, was there anything wrong with them?

meh? they felt like his other posts
I'm not seeing that passion from him it doesn't seem like he wants to interact with anybody

[SirCakez]

like if I am this wrong on my read then I'd rather invest that time into digging into other reads because obviously I need to reevaluate

[SirCakez]

like if I am this wrong on my read then I'd rather invest that time into digging into other reads because obviously I need to reevaluate

Cakez, get out of the tunnel and vote Titus with us.

If you are her scumbuddy, this earns you lots of towncred. Lots and lots of towncred. We promise.
If you're town, well, do you really think she's flipping town? She read Mastina's ISO and is like 'oh crap'

talk to me about Bork I'm not even voting Pooky right now
Titus is a strong SR of mine but I don't feel like voting her rn does that much

This is really lazy imo and not really engaging with the content of bork's posts or the assertions he's made. The only one I've seen people take issue with was bork's skepticism of the mastina wagon and how he didn't rigorously go after it like a dog; I think he very much acted in accordance with that read and that not doing so more doggedly is a result of time constraint.

Him not wanting to interact with anybody is an eh point to begin with imo-he has been less explicitly cooperative, but has been extremely quick to call BS indiscriminately-but even if it were true it's a big +town flag, not a +scum one.

I don't think the content is bad I'm looking at tone more here

Also where is Tammy?

[SirCakez]

I had a weird dream about this game
The final four was Cabd, myself, sangres and someone else who I can't remember
Somebody got hammered who was mafia so we thought it was over
But then Cabd won as serial killer and we all got mad at penguin in post game

Very strange

[SirCakez]

I DON'T REMEMBER IM SORRY

Tbh it might not even have been someone in this game lol

[SirCakez]

She's just busy irl right?

[SirCakez]

;(

[SirCakez]

bless!!!!

[SirCakez]

im sorry to do this but I have to push the Pooky case to tomorrow - my anxiety has been really bad today and I just can't do it right now

[SirCakez]

Located town: spiffed, LLD. Prism. Bell.

I like this list except I'm still hesitant about spiff

[SirCakez]

i went ahead and submitted a placeholder for my action
i will keep it secret for now

[SirCakez]

If there's anything I don't like about Spiffeh overall is that his posts read like a caricature of someone angry about being scumread

i got this impression too
he explained his indignance with Dunnstral but he also keeps poking me about it and I'm irked

[SirCakez]

I did like Cakez' post about having anxiety about the pooky case and that he was going to step away from it. Just gut liked it.

actually my anxiety was related to irl. I just was not feeling well mentally so I couldn't concentrate and put it together.

that said I am feeling better today so its coming

[SirCakez]

I like bork's recent posting on the last five pages more, he finally actually engaged someone

VOTE: Titus
back here for now

[SirCakez]

Located town: spiffed, LLD. Prism. Bell.

I like this list except I'm still hesitant about spiff

Now I think you're just doing this to annoy me

if u stopped bugging me about it maybe it would go away!!!!!!!

But actually gonna stop here. Interacting with you in the first place was a mistake.

I feel like I just got slapped and I have no idea what happened and I'm pretty fucking miserable about it.

this feels pretty genuine for example

I haven't read every post either, but getting pissy at me asking you what you think about a post someone made AND let's not mistake something here buddy,

like i apologize - that segment was to prism, not you

=/

I'm sorry, i'm apparently in a bitchier mood than I realized.

The rest of the post was to me so I thought that was too, and I got hot that you said I mischaracterized you while doing it in turn to me, and getting angry at me for something I didn't say and a position I didn't hold.

I'm sorry.

actually I think both Tammy and bork look better here
this is EXACTLY how Tammy acted when we fought in Popcorn Mafia
I'm not making that mistake again

Is it bad that I want to townread Dunnstral not giving an ounce of a shit about this game or my tunnel on him?

Not enough to drop my scum read on him, but enough to just throw my hands up in frustration and leave him alone today

no he would play like this as scum

Scum: GreyICE, DGB

I forgot if you talked about this but why GI scum? I don't know how to read him he's kinda been sitting in my nullpile all game.

Mathblade and SirCakez both move to Dunn rather than staying on the larger counterwagon (me), effectively killing it. While they moved to vote likely town instead of scum, killing a counterwagon on town gives townpoints.

both wagons had three votes at that point though??

I think Titus is town. A horrendous VCA she strongly believes in is probably a town tell for her.

I feel like this is a scumbuddy talking about another scumbuddy

as much as it PAINS me to admit it Pooky's 2829 is pretty good. HOWEVER

If I were scum and Cakez is town, I would not stop pushing. I would push until he's dead. You saw how I operate in Tenet, I drive until the target is dead, I am not scared of getting my hands dirty. I killed flavor leaf in like 2 hours total from first vote to him self hammering.

Compare that to the last 2 hours of D1 where I barely said anything. If I had actual stakes in this, I would just pile drive Cake all the way until he's gone.

to your second point:

there's something called "Standard Mastina Protocol"

where LLD flips Mastina's readslist upside down, and just starts killing from the top of it.

Hence when Mastina put me that far up on her readslist - there's a good chance LLD just flips that around and kills me lol.

also Mastina knows this so I think she was trying to get cute with LLD :3

This logic is extremely flawed due to the post count limits on this game making it essentially impossible for you to "pile drive" me to death without looking scummy as hell for wasting posts

Yaknow I really wanted people to ask me about Prism so I could do this sooner but I actually don't feel like waiting as a reactive thing so I'mma be proactive and put this out.

I actually have a fairly compelling case for why I think Prism is scum here.

First I want to preface this by saying I'm intentionally playing more abrasively. As mentioned before, diversity is nice and I'm tired of playing friends after Iceland.

1: Nine times out of ten, a player saying this is going to be scum. Deliberately altering your playstyle in a game with multiple players intimately familiar with your playstyle and justifying it in advance is a common scum ploy. (Heck I can even back this up with a rather notorious example if you'd like, but suffice to say, this is a real tell.)

2: Nothing Prism has done this game has felt town. Quite the opposite in fact.

3: I believe Prism's flavor claim of being HG Wells--I do not believe HG Wells would be a VT.

4: I believe HG Wells started with the trident. I do not believe HG Wells started with it as town; I believe it was a scum artifact that Prism is trying to get towncred for.

5: I believe the flavor claim of being HG Wells--I do not believe that makes the claim town. Everyone who watched the show probably remembers how HG Wells ended up, as a retired warehouse agent more or less...but did they forget that HG Wells spent

an entire season

as THE series Big Bad? Whose opening episode on the show was

killing the series' long-established Big Bad

? Not out of heroism, but to show how she was eviler and more insane than the first Big Bad? (Whole, sorting algorithm of evil, thing; she killed the previous big bad to show that she was a worse threat than the previous big bad.)

In fact, HG Wells is one of only three Big Bads I can actually remember. (I know there were more than three, pretty sure, but she sticks out to me as one of the three real, non-imaginary-in-your-head Big Bads. The other two being the one she killed and the final Big Bad.)

In other words I think that Prism is a scum HG Wells, who is not a VT, and who started with the flavor-appropriate trident, and passed it on for cheap towncred.

The biggest question is what was going on in 930s that made Mastina wall Prism

This seems really obvious to me no? Prism is widely townread and mastina was trying to get some paranoia going. This was before mastina was definitely going down.

[SirCakez]

I am writing the Pooky case right now get hyped

[SirCakez]

The Pooky Case: Or, Why PookyTheMagicalBear Does Not Have Your Back~

PROLOGUE

Please note that I am only analyzing Pooky's day 1 as that is where my scumread originates from.

THESIS

Pooky's entire day 1 strategy revolved around buddying people and coasting until he got pressure from me for it. After that point, he dedicated the rest of his day to an essentially OMGUS push on me INCLUDING SIGNIFICANTLY AT THE KEY POINT WHERE IT WAS EITHER MASTINA OR I WHO WAS GOING TO BE ELIMMED.
He did not perform ANY original scumhunting day 1 - all of his pushes day 1 consist of either sheeping or attacking people who attacked him.
He used being leashed to LLD as an excuse to not take responsibility for his vote.
He repeatedly expressed fake-ass indignation that anyone could be scumreading him - despite all of the above.

PART 1 - THE COASTING AND LACK OF SCUMHUNTING

I have 0 knowledge of this show and what its about

i dont even know who the bad guys are

so im definitely town

Pooky do you think continuing to proclaim that I'm scum every time I post is going to get you townread?

I can tell you rn it's not working

im already locktown dude

i dont even know who the bad guys are or what they do

This kind of posting is a recurring theme in Pooky's ISO. Repeated self-declarations of being obvious town, despite basically nobody thinking so.
Also note the LAMIST attempt as he repeatedly notes that he does not know "who the bad guys are"

VOTE: Dunnstral

I want to see how this version of Spiffeh is

This is his FIRST post that could be construed as scumhunting - NEARLY TWENTY PAGES INTO THE GAME
and it's a VOTE SHEEPING SPIFFEH
NO original thoughts from scumbear

grumble grumble

VOTE: mathblade

He moves his vote here ONLY BECAUSE LLD tells him to
There is no actual desire to scumhunt

And Pooky imho is scum.

lolol what

I don't even know who the bad guys in the show are

you can't seriously scumread me

that's absurd

AGAIN the LAMIST and super fake indignance at being scumread
NOBODY could read Pooky's ISO up to this point and seriously argue that it's unreasonable to scumread him here

what would I even be SR'd for lol

see above

I am a teddy bear tho

this is when I was attacking him early on, before he realized he was going to need to push me back and discredit me. so he goes for the "i'm so innocent I couldn't be scum" act

Pooky, you worry me.

I shouldn't worry you unless you're scum

in which case

you should be very very worried.

but not really cuz I am a lazy bear who is going to take it easy in his semi-retired old age

I'm going to need more from even a semi-retired bear to have a comfortable read.

I'm waiting for our delinquents to post b4 I present my hero solve

more excuses not to scumhunt

i dont believe you scumread me either lol

you gotta put feeling into your fake scumreads dude

More of his shitty acting that he just CANT BELIEVE someone would be scumreading him!!
note that at this point - 30 pages into the game - he still has not had ANY original scumhunting

this is so bad i think u r trying to make me look bad after u redflip so people will be like. oooh scumtheater

you should go back to that game you tunneled me and study how you sound like when you are town and actually believe you are right lol

LOOK AT THIS OMGUS HERE
he realizes his "friendly bear" act is not working on Math and instead diverts to discrediting
it's the EXACT same tactic he does later with me

Also I am probably soon going to reach my threshold on the number of players allowed to scum read me without punishment. Objectively this is the most obviously town I have been in a game in a year or two at least and I will no longer be tolerating scum reads on me at this time.

Thank you all for your concern in this matter.

I am only giving you a TR because my SRs are full and I will get back to you if any of my SRs flips green and I have a spot open.

what TRs? what SRs? If you read Pooky's ISO to this point, HE HAS NOT DECLARED ANY ORIGINAL READS
HE ONLY SHEEPS

I am always tonally very town

Quite possibly the towniest town who ever towned

etc etc so much of this garbage in his ISO

I'm not nervous your logic is terrible if it's what I think you're implying.
Why would I be coaching Math in thread if we were buddies?

Refuge in Bad Play

This is such a dumb argument anyways
Literally nowhere on site does coaching in the main game thread still happen

are you more insulted by GI's lack of belief in your scum skills

or my belief that you'd actually openly coach a buddy in the thread

or MB's belief that it should be him coaching you and not the other way around?

:3

there's only one correct answer that Town!Cakez would make

terrible accusation calling me a bad player for his stupid accusation that I was coaching Math in thread
This is a key point - this is where he realized he needs to start discrediting me because I am on his ass and his "friendly bear" shtick is not working

math at this point you might as well just claim which scum character you are lol

this is his other attack that he spent a good amount of day 1 repeating - calling Math scum because Math pushed him
Pooky does not have ANY original pushes day 1 - EVERYTHING he pushed day 1 was either a sheep or attacking someone who pushed him first

All of the above
All three of you are clowns

TFW scum!Cake can't figure out how town!Cake would respond and tries goes for the "all of the above gambit"

what the hell does this even mean?

And think of it this way, if Dunn ends up being a mislim (doubt), you get to blame it all on me and call me bad.

It's a win/win.

if I move my vote away from Mathblade LLD will kill me so pretty sure it's a loss bro

This is another key aspect of Pooky's play day 1 that reeks of scum - his whole "i'm leashed to LLD" thing that he pulls out of nowhere. he never even declares it officially - he just randomly decides at some point that he can't move his vote. this is a PERFECT excuse to not take responsibility for what went down at eod day 1.

pooky's BLOOD needs to be fed to the blood gods by day three

ridiculous

garbage

We are heartless monsters who only feel pleasure at human suffering and the thought of a willing sacrifice arouses us.

excellent

VOTE: Titus

TAKE A LOOK AT THIS - what happened to being leashed to LLD here?? It's like he's scared to vote me.

I also want to kill cakez regardless of what Titus flips

trying to chain elims etc etc

Pooky, what reads do you really feel conviction on? I see you say Math/Titus/Cakez scum.

highest conviction SRs:

cake/mb/titus

lower level SRs:

bork/sangres hydra

Meh level TR:
Dunnstral

highest level conviction TRs:

kuribo/Bell/Spiffeh

Look at these shit reads
What are sangres and bork doing in his scumpile? He literally did not mention them before in his ISO to this point.
Math and I are basically OMGUS and then he has Titus who he probably was keeping open to bussing.
VERY SIGNIFICANTLY MASTINA IS NOT IN HERE

all Pooky talks about is how scummy I am and he's not even voting me LMAO

because I am leashed to LLD or have you not been paying attention at all?

I thought you were like super scum reading me

already established this is a lie

also fucking scumbear has gone MIA
I didn't forget about you Pooky, you're next after we dispose of your scumqueen Titus

cakeboi

not a single post you have made this entire game makes me think you actually believe I am scum.

it's comical at this point.

This is a SUPER IMPORTANT point - this is where Pooky starts to go in hard on his push on me. EoD was coming here, mastina was in the danger zone. I'm guessing she asked Pooky to start helping her try to miselim me in the scum PT.
I'm not gonna quote all of his posts for this but the tl;dr is he thinks I'm faking my read on him. which OBVIOUSLY is not true.

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN SCUMBEAR
"not wasting posts" fucking BULLSHIT since when have you cared about that??

I've obviously been extremely restrained in my shitposting lol.

my goal was to come in under 125 posts since that is the allotment per player - I was at 110 before logging in today.

I am deciding to go over the limit since the deadline is 11 hours away and we are probably not going to run out of posts to use.

I'm going to stop wasting time talking to you.

Come up with an actual case if you want to prove you are town.

Otherwise this is just feeble and pathetic.

altho I do want to bring this post back up because he totally lies here - he starts attacking me again within like two pages
this was just grasping at towncred for "not spamming"

PART 2 - THE BUDDYING

Spiffeh and Math both kind of just reminding me of their scum game, but on the otherhand, they both appear incapable of rolling town in games I'm in so take that with a grain of salt or 10.

let's be real

Spiffey is allergic to the color green

i feel affected by this AtE

im ready to let him live even if he is scum

cuz he is so interested in this game I'd feel bad almost

Obvious

sisterly love

buddying Math

I am a teddy bear tho

this is also under coasting but I feel it belongs down here too

Oh nachgres do you have any thoughts on spiffeh?

pretty firmly townreading him at this point in the read.

I feel unfairly persecuted by this

maybe you just like spiffs more than me

playing up his "friendly bear" act again

#1 Fiery Fan

obvious

In other news, I think borkjerfkin could be scum. Can we wagon him too?

i support this read

spiffeh might actually be town lol

more sheeping + trying to get into Spiff's pocket

We should totally run that Nuke Meme game back tho :>

appealing to nostalgia

winning is never the point.

having fun is the point

*hugs*

obvious

PART 3 - MASTINA

Hi Mastina

why haven't you called me scum yet?

This seems like a good time for a readslist!

Lady Lambdadelta
Kitty Trauma Team (hydra of Malakittens and kuribo)
PookyTheMagicalBear
sangres (hydra of fferyllt and Nachomamma8)
Tammy
Bell

Titus
Spiffeh

Battle Mage
borkjerfkin
GreyICE
quiet

Dunnstral

MathBlade

Prism
SirCakez

Locktown, lean town, null, nullscum, lean scum, scumread.

am i being set up wtf

Honestly not wrong.

I actually think you're probably my strongest non-LLD townread, which would be:
Lady Lambdadelta*
PookyTheMagicalBear

I am definitely being set up here >_>

Ok these posts are very important as they are the first interactions Pooky has with Mastina in the game thread
Take a look at this interaction - wtf is Pooky even insinuating here? it seems like a fake-ass reaction to those Mastina posts

she might be trying to use SMP against us

but it's also NAI cuz town!Mastina would do the same thing lulz

maybe the readslist is actually inverted

a HUGE fencesit on Mastina - exactly what I'd expect scumbear to be posting here. He leaves himself open to bus her later or stay away if she survives.

Pooky, what reads do you really feel conviction on? I see you say Math/Titus/Cakez scum.

highest conviction SRs:

cake/mb/titus

lower level SRs:

bork/sangres hydra

Meh level TR:
Dunnstral

highest level conviction TRs:

kuribo/Bell/Spiffeh

bringing this post down here as well - note lack of mastina

can we stop the triple posting when we have like 3 pages of posts left.

just write out all your thoughts,

hit preview

think if you want to add anything else

and then write more

and then think

and then finish writing everything out.

this is really starting to get ridiculous at this point.

I want cake blood - I don't think Town!Cake plays his claimed role this way, its just beyond the pale how ridiculous this is to me.

I will switch to Mastina to avoid NL. I will be online at the deadline. I won't be happy about it.

those people not on either wagon need to make up their minds or post some real amazing cases on other people.

A KEY POST towards the climax of day 1
At this point Pooky has essentially gone all in on trying to make me the miselim for the day
But he is not 100% sure I go through
so he has to slip Mastina in here to make sure he can still bus her if needed

CONCLUSION

Pooky did not do ANY ORIGINAL SCUMHUNTING day 1.
The entirety of his play consisted of basically three things - sheeping LLD and Spiffeh, making LAMIST/sadbear posts, and pushing Math and I when we pushed him. There is literally nothing else.
His entire push on me day 1 was constructed as an attempt to save Mastina at deadline, while still leaving himself open to bus if needed. He has basically no interactions with Mastina and what he does have looks like scum-scum.

[SirCakez]

I will now take your questions

[SirCakez]

BM - I like BM for town.

can you say more about this? you have some kind of reasoning for all the others

[SirCakez]

In blue, things Pooky always does as town.
In red, things Pooky may do as scum (???)

THESIS
Pooky's entire day 1 strategy revolved around

buddying people and coasting

until he got pressure from me for it. After that point, he dedicated the rest of his day to an essentially

OMGUS push

on me INCLUDING SIGNIFICANTLY AT

THE KEY POINT

WHERE IT WAS

EITHER MASTINA OR I WHO WAS GOING TO BE ELIMMED

.

He did not perform ANY original scumhunting day 1

- all of his pushes day 1 consist of either

sheeping

or

attacking people who attacked him.

He used being leashed

to LLD as

an excuse to not take responsibility for his vote.

He repeatedly expressed

fake-ass indignation that anyone could be scumreading him

- despite all of the above.

no stop with this
I have experience with Pooky and he does better than this as town

[SirCakez]

I knew somebody was gonna pull out that stupid "pooky always plays like this!!!!" argument
Go find another game where he was as useless as this one as town

[SirCakez]

I agree 1060 is terrible good call-out DGB

[SirCakez]

even if LLD is fakeclaiming I think she is town

[SirCakez]

Prism I'm hurt I put so much work into my case

[SirCakez]

Pooky's day 2 has been better no doubt
But I don't think it covers for how atrocious his day 1 was

[SirCakez]

I only tackled day 1 because when I promised the case we were very early in day 2

[SirCakez]

I should have made this more clear - the case was meant to show why my scumread on Pooky was so strong end of day 1 + start of day 2
it's not the end-all of my read on Pooky atm

[SirCakez]

I'm iffy on Dunn - he could be scum but I'm not as sure as day 1. Would yeet for clarification.

[SirCakez]

It's very clear to me why you chose to limit it to Day 1 FWIW, I'm just saying I would have loved to see you back off now because I think Pooky is safely town. He's playing the game of his life he rolled scum.

Incidentally I do not like that you pushed almost wholly stuff that is in Pooky's case NAI, as pointed out by DGB scumfuck though she may be.

why is this stuff NAI? NAI NAI NAI people say. but can anyone actually provide evidence that Pooky is normally that shitty as town? no they cannot

Cakez,

your "case" is laughably weak.

it's so bad that DGB ripped it apart in like one sentence.

the only part she highlighted in red, was something that I showed

restraint

in.

If I were scum, and you were town, I would show 0 restraint, that word doesn't even exist in my scum dictionary, you would have 1000% have been pushed to death by me d1. I definitely do not take my foot off the gas at any point in that push.

lastly. your claim that I felt threatened by your "push" on me and thus decided to attack/discredit you is ludicrous on its face.

Did you see a single person during d1 even remotely support your push on me? I didn't! so why the hell would I feel any degree of threat at all? It's just preposterous you actually believe I would be scared or threatened in any way.

why did you only open with your attacks on me when I was bringing you up as scum? multiple times I mentioned I thought you were scummy and within hours you dropped it to call me scum.

[SirCakez]

dropped in*

[SirCakez]

It's very clear to me why you chose to limit it to Day 1 FWIW, I'm just saying I would have loved to see you back off now because I think Pooky is safely town. He's playing the game of his life he rolled scum.

also this is dumb because if I didn't write the case Pooky would literally have never shut up about it

[SirCakez]

I am open to the argument that Pooky is town because of his day 2 play but people going "but his meta this is town ;( ;( ;(" pisses me off because that day 1 was truly terrible

[SirCakez]

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=85257
Here read his ISO in this game
It has the same jokey tone but he's actually trying here

[SirCakez]

why did you only open with your attacks on me when I was bringing you up as scum? multiple times I mentioned I thought you were scummy and within hours you dropped it to call me scum.

I already explained this:

1792


I challenged you to lay out your suspicions

when you didn't I called you scum for being unable to lay out a case on me -> because you not backing up your pot shots with substance makes me think you are not being real about it.

you were calling me scum long before that post though?

[SirCakez]

but yea kick cakeboi's scum ass

go go go

cuz he's not actually interested

its fake busywork

I also want to kill cakez regardless of what Titus flips

a sample

[SirCakez]

after reviewing Legends of Hidden Temple I can accept the fluffiness and buddying is pretty NAI
but his absolute lack of original scumhunting, his terrible push on me, and his bad interactions with Mastina all still hold from my case

[SirCakez]

THESIS
Pooky's entire day 1 strategy revolved around buddying people and coasting until he got pressure from me for it. After that point, he dedicated the rest of his day to an essentially OMGUS push on me INCLUDING SIGNIFICANTLY AT THE KEY POINT WHERE IT WAS EITHER MASTINA OR I WHO WAS GOING TO BE ELIMMED.
He did not perform ANY original scumhunting day 1 - all of his pushes day 1 consist of either sheeping or attacking people who attacked him.
He used being leashed to LLD as an excuse to not take responsibility for his vote.
He repeatedly expressed fake-ass indignation that anyone could be scumreading him - despite all of the above.

This game is halfway between the buddying all day/virtually nothing of substance all game long of 2181 and the aggression of Flavor Leaf v. Hectic

I will dive this meta tonight thanks

[SirCakez]

its addictive Prism
MS is the dealer

[SirCakez]

can you show me where LLD told you to do that because I didn't see it during the case production
if LLD told you to do it it changes things

[SirCakez]

my impression was it was just something you "declared" yourself

[SirCakez]

never mind then let's move on
now that the "case" is dropped no one can bug me about it anymore

[SirCakez]

Vote: Mathblade

Pooky get your ass over here or I'm shooting you.

someone talk to me about the game, something interesting and fresh.

Also, Pooky got my back so he better not vote anywhere I don't vote.

I'm watching you bear. That foam finger should have my face on it.

are you serious Cakez

did you not read the part where she leashed me..

I saw the "get your ass over here" post but I didn't interpret it as a "leashing"
I was expecting something more formal than this

[SirCakez]

1099 reads basically like a joke to me

it's ok let's just move on I think I misunderstood the situation

[SirCakez]

Why are both of you voting Titus and what will it take to get you to vote one of GI/DGB?

Pooky I know yours was related to the soft defense; I think there's a lot of WIFOM involved and I can see Titus being scum but for now I still townlean the slot for the reason given by Bell (mastina likely whiteknighting town slot)

Complete mystery for Cakez atm and don't want to track it

Titus just keeps making bad posts and has not evolved since day 1 (unlike Pooky)
Also I think Titus is more likely to go through then the two you named
I still do not understand the GI scumreads

[SirCakez]

sorry I've been kind of absent lately. was really busy yesterday but I have time this weekend and I shouldn't be as busy going forward now that I'm settled into school.

Cakez - Thank you for writing your case, not necessarily because it tells me anything new about Pooky, but I kinda want to put to bed my suspicions on you for it, I think.

THESIS
Pooky's entire day 1 strategy revolved around buddying people and coasting until he got pressure from me for it. After that point, he dedicated the rest of his day to an essentially OMGUS push on me INCLUDING SIGNIFICANTLY AT THE KEY POINT WHERE IT WAS EITHER MASTINA OR I WHO WAS GOING TO BE ELIMMED.
He did not perform ANY original scumhunting day 1 - all of his pushes day 1 consist of either sheeping or attacking people who attacked him.
He used being leashed to LLD as an excuse to not take responsibility for his vote.
He repeatedly expressed fake-ass indignation that anyone could be scumreading him - despite all of the above.

Not on my computer at the moment, so I’m just pulling that. I agree that all of these are problematic from Pooky, they are in large part why he’s been giving me problems this game, and every time he tries to use the Mastina protocol or whatever it is to say he’s confirmed town, I want to reach through my screen and rip the stuffing outta that bear. And while I don’t think typically scum actually try to abdicate responsibility for their vote in such a blatant way, the leashing thing is stupid and juvenile and I wish they’d stop.

So this is mostly to say that I read your case, I understand and some of those things bother me too, except the buddying as a buddies myself it’s not inherently scummy, but I’m not entirely sure it’s from scum. I wish I had experience with Pooky town to know if my concerns aren’t just playstyle rather than alignment indicative. I have appreciated his thread health moments that haven’t felt like posturing. And I liked his post about the mason issue because in a sense it felt like he was opening himself up to suspicion on that part, and we both know that he’ll happily pretend to be a mason as scum. And the moments in Between the above feel natural and I like his presence at those times. The possibility that he could be a mason too is enough for me to consider he’s just town here as well.

I don't know what to do with him anymore honestly.

@Cakez, We agree on practically everything, yet you feel my posts are bad. Cog dis?

No we don't.
I actually hate this post a lot.

Bork is a bad elimination.

It's DGB BM and one of Cakez/Pooky/Math/LLD.

Just look at this post. You have two of my strongest townreads in your scumpool.

hey so

Prism what's your feelings on bork

Can you talk about your read on greyice at some point?

I’ll admit to not being the best greyice reader. I’m pretty sure one of the only times I got his alignment correct was when we were masons, and most of the other times he’s been in my possible or decently strong townreads as scum, so a little help would be nice because he’s not in my town reads right now.

My first concern was the way he called you scum, and a few times threw out the possibility of you as scum. He does not scum read you. I went back and looked at alisae and pine I think it was, which I had loosely followed, and he clearly scum read you there and pointed out why, whereas here there is no bite. Here’s my question is this just a kinda trolling interaction he’s having with you because why not and that’s totally cool if so OR is he feigning a bit of paranoia at you?)

I thought he started the Mastina wagon yesterday but looking back over things that isn’t the case. He was third after mathblade and bell though mathblade didn’t stick around for long, and his vote on Mastina was almost from a dare by Mastina to get on the wagon, which he did. I do very much like his interactions with Mastina because he called her out on all her bullshit, but I would have expected him to rally the troops onto Mastina more than he did.

His titus push feels off, mainly the argument that she read Mastina iso and saw how bad she looked and was responding out of that oh shit kinda of way, which doesn’t ring true when titus was aware of Mastina s treatment of her yesterday, and recognizing that scums treatment of you was wrong can easily come from town too. (I know that’s not the crux of his case but that bit hit wrong)

His bit about prism being scum and he got there by accident and is just that good hit wrong too.

Are these dumb concerns?

Thanks for this post Tammy. My concern with GI is kinda like bork where it just feels like he doesn't care about this game.
also he called me a bad player so I'm offended

Maybe I should just give up the ghost and accept that DGB is God itself, correct reads up and down the board with no sweat, calmly and patiently pointing out every error made by others like a Zen master....except to whack Titus with the "ur bad" bat ofc

But to me this slot is blatantly informed about alignments between Pooky, Cakez, Titus, me/Math, etc. and throwing LLD in scumleans awhile back does not change this imo

Yeah the reads just seem so fake.

Can we not wait until the last minute to eliminate someone this time?

I hate this kind of posting because it's so airy and does nothing to actually accomplish this goal. Like do something about it Bell.

[SirCakez]

VOTE: dgb
Prism is right this has much better wagon composition

[SirCakez]

urgh I have a lot of thoughts and can't organize them
that wagon had a weird ending but we know it was town driven at the tail end!!!
I want a lot more pressure on BM today. He totally skated by yesterday. Titus still looks scummy especially in light of DGB town flip as you could argue DGB was a counter to Titus.

VOTE: prism
This is fine with me for artifact

[SirCakez]

DrippingGoofball (8--BRONZED): Titus, Dunnstral, Prism, PookyTheMagicalBear, SirCakez, DrippingGoofball, Bell, Lady Lambdadelta

who were the scum here?
:thinks:
Bell looks worse maybe?

Why do we have to hand off the artifact in the first few hours of the day?

who cares?

I'm mostly fine with Prism getting the artifact, like ideally I would want give it to a town read that is unlikely to be nk'd (i.e. Cakez) but I don't think a lot of people would agree on him and it's not worth risking the page count to argue that.

Bork had some awful end of Day posts yesterday so he is still my top target for elimination, he didn't do much to change my mind otherwise. Prism, I saw you call him out for these, have you changed your mind or are you questioning your bork townread at all today?

Dunn is probably next although his posts yesterday just make me think he doesn't care about this game which makes him hard to read? I'm at a loss for who else could really be scum beyond that. My paranoia on Titus is spiking again, I'm a little concerned she's not actively pushing scum reads as much as she was in Tenet (re: Brian Skies). GreyICE and Battle Mage should be looked into more.

I have town reads on the rest of the playerlist in some capacity but as the game progresses I'm gonna have to be more critical of who I write off

I like this post and agree with pretty much everything. Dunn does look worse again now looking at the DGB wagon comp. And I hate that post he made that I just quoted.

[SirCakez]

oh one thing I disagree with is I actually thought bork's posting at end of day yesterday was better than anything else he'd posted all game

[SirCakez]

Oh yeah! Spiffeh had no artifacts

[SirCakez]

urgh I have a lot of thoughts and can't organize them
that wagon had a weird ending but we know it was town driven at the tail end!!!
I want a lot more pressure on BM today. He totally skated by yesterday. Titus still looks scummy especially in light of DGB town flip as you could argue DGB was a counter to Titus.

VOTE: prism
This is fine with me for artifact

you're joking with me right? I was on the scum elim Day 1, was not on the town elim Day 2...and I'm the first name on your list? Back to basics.

Iso yourself man it should be obvious why you look scummy here

[SirCakez]

Because I've been suspicious of him all game? It's not rocket science

[SirCakez]

VOTE: titus

[SirCakez]

Oh yeah! Spiffeh had no artifacts

And why did you check Spiffeh?

This should not be pulling teeth dude.

Because I've been suspicious of him all game? It's not rocket science

It is slightly odd that Cakez would be so stand-offish about revealing the night action and justification. Then again, it's a tough roleclaim to fake, in the long run, if you don't have it. Although could it, or a mechanically equivalent modification, be a scum role? Maybe.

One for the mech nerds in the peanut gallery

This is so dumb
I wasn't standoffish until Math was all "bro why are you making this so difficult" when I literally wasn't

[SirCakez]

@Spiffeh, use it on Bork or MB or it's a scum claim.

Also, I don't know exactly what it does, but I have a guess.

Everybody else ignore this ty, ty.

??? What is this referring to

[SirCakez]

Oh yeah! Spiffeh had no artifacts

And why did you check Spiffeh?

This should not be pulling teeth dude.

Because I've been suspicious of him all game? It's not rocket science

It is slightly odd that Cakez would be so stand-offish about revealing the night action and justification. Then again, it's a tough roleclaim to fake, in the long run, if you don't have it. Although could it, or a mechanically equivalent modification, be a scum role? Maybe.

One for the mech nerds in the peanut gallery

This is so dumb
I wasn't standoffish until Math was all "bro why are you making this so difficult" when I literally wasn't

No you were just hoping to not share.

Like I still don’t get why Spiffeh? Why not check the very tiny PoE?

Your check is very odd.

What is the "tiny PoE"? I asked for input yesterday and nobody gave any, so I went on a check of someone who was not in the elim pool but could feasibly be scum. Like a Cop check.

I'll be reassessing Grey but thinking through this again with Math, there's no way Cakez or Dunn is scum.

So that means Pooky and/or Math are.
Battle Mage is still scum.

If one of my hero solve is wrong, I'll look for that in my VCA. In fact, I usually scumread a townbeard based on my VCA, so that's a thing.

I hate how Titus keeps saying she is going to reevaluate but never actually does it.

There's a part of me that thinks she'd have more fire as scum whereas here she almost seems ready to roll over and be eliminated.

She does that as scum Tammy.

Hey Tammy, Prism, Cakez, I know you guys have been engaging me a fair amount this game so that's great but all three of you keep saying if anyone's getting one over on you as scum it's me (Cakez has been more directly suspicious of me) so maybe if we can hash that out and you can mention your specific concerns for me to address that would make you feel better? I don't want to make this a big thing or waste pages on it but I'm townreading all three of you fairly confidently and feel it would be best if you all felt the same about me.

The three of you repeatedly stating your paranoia of me plus the "scum reads" from bork and Dunn are starting to irritate me and I don't want to become demotivated as a result.

My last three completed games on the site were scum games. I was, and am, exhausted of playing scum. Rolling scum in Pooky vs. FL and Tenet at the same time really damaged my enthusiasm to play it and if I were scum here I GUARANTEE I would not have provided one quarter of the content I have provided here. I don't think I've ever been this open and in depth as Town before but I was so excited I got a green PM in THIS playerlist that I wanted to actually hunt scum which is something I haven't been able to do for like a year.

Maybe this is unfair to unload on you guys because I know you're all just playing the game, and maybe it won't even accomplish that much but for the sake of more cohesiveness between myself and my town reads I would appreciate if you'd directly address your concerns rather than stew in paranoia until endgame, assuming we get there and any of us are still alive by then.

I do feel better since you had no artifacts and I feel you would have one by now if scum.
I just keep seeing posts from you where it looks like you have that "scum demotivation" you acknowledge you have had as a result of rolling scum so much lately.
And I'm concerned by how concerned you are about being scumread.

[SirCakez]

Dunn's posting so far today has been awful

[SirCakez]

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=85257
Check out this game Tammy

[SirCakez]

VOTE: borkjerfkin

what triggered this?

[SirCakez]

She didn't give up but she has that tone where it feels like she's gonna roll over though, I feel

[SirCakez]

She does that as scum Tammy.

Can you point out where?

I don't think I've ever seen that be a part of her scum game.

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=85257
Check out this game Tammy

I never accepted my miseliminination there. I searched with "mis" and "my" in my ISO to ensure that. I never called anyone toxic because no one was. I did push against a townblock with a solid PoE.

Why did you quote this game at all?

I never said you did any of these things?

[SirCakez]

Just quote a few posts and explain, pretty natural reaction from Titus regardless of her alignment to just Ctrl+F.

Nobody is going to read through that long-ass game. Make your point.

Her ISO in that game only has 50 posts it's not hard to look through it
I'll grab some example though

[SirCakez]

ok re-doing ISO on Titus that game and I realize that was not the best example
my memory was wrong

[SirCakez]

I just keep seeing posts from you where it looks like you have that "scum demotivation" you acknowledge you have had as a result of rolling scum so much lately.
And I'm concerned by how concerned you are about being scumread.

@Titus what do you think?

[SirCakez]

that is in regards to Spiffeh

[SirCakez]

Math I have not been engaging your posts because whenever I try to you just go "lalalala" and put your fingers in your ears
so my check was not at all related to your wagon theories

[SirCakez]

that is in regards to Spiffeh

What is in regards to Spiffeh?

3404
that was not about you

[SirCakez]

I get a list of all artifacts someone has
Spiffeh did not have any

[SirCakez]

I could see scum funneling all the artifacts to one person (especially after I had to claim day 1) yeah

[SirCakez]

Furthermore I am sketched out that Bork never confirmed anything specific so we don’t know if Bork actually got it.

So this is just weird. I don’t like it and maintain my objection and if I am miselimmed while I am at work artifacts always go to townreads. Assume LLD is scum until/unless she proves a mason buddy as she is breaking the cardinal rules of how she operates. Her play today is absolute garbage and she should be ashamed.

I can't even remember a Bork post this game. He needs to get his butt in here.

Vig Cakez imho.

His stance around me and my posts reads as buddying yet paints me as having a meltdown.

People being nice to me doesn’t happen from town.

@Math posts like these were so annoying and unhelpful

General negativity and not building a townread list or starting from there

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=85633&user_select%5B%5D=26092

Same vibes as here
I suck at explaining meta reads so example provided

Ok but that's just how I play it's not unique to my scum meta.

Along that thought stream, what if LLD is town and Prism is town and they’re both town derp? Scum didn’t want me miselimmed but were more than happy to add to the pressure.

And Cakez that is not you every game. You ask more questions as town. More vocal.

Andd then this
I try to explain myself and you go "nope!"
These are just two examples

[SirCakez]

Spiffeh got it last night my result comes in at end of day

[SirCakez]

I submit at day

[SirCakez]

Why should I be in a 1v1 with Spiffeh?

[SirCakez]

I submit at day time and get results at end of day not at night

[SirCakez]

I submit at day time and get results at end of day not at night

?? That seems really dumb when Transfers only happen at night.

idk dude ask Penguin

I really don't understand why there is confusion over this? I feel like my claim is really clear and people are not reading.

[SirCakez]

oh yeah, i also forgot to claim this earlier (because i forgot i had it) - but one aspect of my role is that I'm a miller and come up guilty to all investigations. just an FYI i guess, as nobody has claimed to investigate me.

what inspired you to claim this now? this seems extremely out of the blue

Tammy, who do you think is scum?

I'm leaning Pooky, GreyICE and Spiffeh.

no more BM? I was like confscum a couple pages ago?

My foundation was off for calling you scum. Prism pointed that out to me. I still don't like you not having any solid townreads but your votes don't make you confscum.

eh, lack of solid townreads is probably more to do with how closely i've been following the game and how gross the end of yesterday was.

does everyone believe my miller claim btw? most ppl seemed to gloss over it - thought it would get some comment.

Spoiler:

yes, this is a cry for attention

and this is yikes

I do feel better since you had no artifacts and I feel you would have one by now if scum.

he

currently

had no artifacts at a snapshot in time.
How do you know he never did?

I don't but do you really think he would have gotten an artifact and then offloaded it so quickly?

Sircakez role has been and will continue to be pretty useless

Somebody having an artifact doesn't make them scum, and it's unlikely that scum are going to straight up lie about having an artifact if cakez is town

I disagree.

[SirCakez]

bork!rage seems outside of scum range I think?

[SirCakez]

Bell's Day 1 was very town and not scum!him

[SirCakez]

An accusation has been made that I am running an bastard game without advertising it as such. I have passed on a notification of the situation to the listmod (T-Bone in this case) and will wait to hear how they would like the situation handled before proceeding with the game. Lost time will be added on to the deadline in this specific case.

[SirCakez]

Not voting (5): Tammy, borkjerfkin, Titus, GreyICE, Dunnstral

Can these people help build a wagon k thx

[SirCakez]

yeah im with ya Pooky. Cakez is scum.

why?

[SirCakez]

yolo ordering before bed. ordered t->s within tiers (ie. titus is scummier than dunnstral)

town
======
bell
spiffeh
bork
pooky

maybe
======
tammy
mathblade
cakez
greyice
battlemage

gonna be real this tier is really crapshoot other than tammy at the top and every strict ordering felt wrong, bottom 4 are really a bucket where no strict ordering makes sense to me

scum
======
dunnstral
titus

Weren't you convinced GreyIce was scum?

[SirCakez]

GreyIce could be a good check for me

[SirCakez]

why has this game died so hard somebody talk to me

[SirCakez]

I think it's because you've decided to lay down on the train tracks

LOL ok

[SirCakez]

the half the game not voting anyone needs to help build a wagon so we can actually make some progress

[SirCakez]

Yes do it everyone pile on

[SirCakez]

what do you want to see Bell? I feel like I don't have anything to add here. That's why I'm telling people to make a wagon so we can actually analyze something and pressure someone.

[SirCakez]

People get mad at when I self meta COUGH mathblade COUGH

[SirCakez]

Math why are you obsessed with wagonomics

[SirCakez]

Feeling like total shit and have a ton of homework to do so I won't be very present here today sorry

[SirCakez]

Math why are you obsessed with wagonomics

Because of probability/odds.

When I stray from that and use gut my reads go bad.

At least one scum in you/Titus/Dunn is well worth the focus then see who doesn’t want to elim there.

There’s no guarantee someone bussed Mastina and if there are bussers no more than 2 is likely. So best 2/8 odds (1/4) so best to look off wagon. In other words if I grant scenarios most favorable to your look off wagon argument we’d have an equal shot and I don’t see two+ bussers on Mastina.

So at this point it’s between you and Titus and Dunn.

I personally hate using math (no pun intended) to "solve" mafia but whatever you do you

I don't care what other people think. If I think you're town for your self-meta, I'll defend you.

ok I can write some up later this week
i'm buried in shit today so not happening anytime soon

Like, here's a fun exercise for the table. Answering publicly is absolutely encouraged.

Who is a player you have changed your mind on, or at least had your view of challenged in a way that made you

actually doubt the read

\, in the last calendar week, and why?

Pooky probably. From people's responses to my case.

dude

imagine you are holding a town power role.

imagine you are 1 vote away from being elimmed

on

day

one.

Would you really be so weak and feeble?

Like cmon

Here's some self meta I can bring up!
In The Weakest Link at a very similar situation end of day 1 I literally told other people to let the other player live and kill me instead because I wasn't confident in the read.

ie. If Spiffeh is scum, I fucking tried. Anyone who disagrees with me, your turn to work through his ISO and wall it out.

I think I am about here with him. He keeps irking me but there's just not enough for me to want to go "ok let's prioritize getting rid of him"

Meta-wise, it feels more like scum mathblade, but I dunno. feels like he's been the voice of reason more often lately.

This is what screamed to me as town. I think Mathblade is town, and I think if BM were scum there are enough people in the game that want Math gone still that you can make basically any other stance than this and be better off.
Instead this seems like conscientious objection to a read he's had all game with the salient fact that Math is here, being a leader, pretty much all the time, and the overpowering likely reason for that is that he's town

That Battle Mage post sucked and I question your motives here.

see even bork knows it

like do you understand

how bad someone has to play

to get nearly modkilled

by like the nicest mod on the site?

you'd have to be really bad

and the only way any1 can be that misguided

is if they are town

because aint nobody with a red role pm can believe that much

in something so stupid

that they nearly get themselves modkilled

like that's just too wild for me lol

I guarantee Math would do this as scum.

notscience replaces GreyICE. Vote count shortly.

Hi Notsci!

[SirCakez]

I'm kinda thinking I want to go back to Dunn here; his absence feels extremely incriminating.

I also liked 3404 looking at it btw

And really wish Cakez would have better followup; asking questions is inherently scattershot but the depth in his reads is often very lacking.

I know I know I get accused of this constantly
I just can't get engaged in this game with how busy I am with school. The Pooky case was like peak effort from me and I won't be returning to that level any time soon.
That's why I generally rely moreso on gut and tone.

Purely based off your description of Cakez that reminds me of xeno when he laser Ed in on Cabds case

I might be filling in some blanks but meh

This is not AT ALL what happened

2) I pretty much stopped pushing cake when we had like 3 pages or so of posts left, for the last 2-3 hours before deadline I did not post anything pushing cake, i even popped in and said i'd be willing to move my vote if we needed a compromise or whatever. that's completely different to my scum push on FL when I pushed him until he died because I rarely if ever use restraint when I'm scum.

This is such a lie as soon as I claimed you came back in and started spreading shit again

There are people here who have spent that past week saying they should read into me more and just haven't and continue to call me scum

Name names. Push these players. My being one of them after I got partway through Spiffeh is no surprise.

I am sick of you doing nothing the entire game then crying when you get scumread. If your entire ability to win games as scum requires you to 0 effort and give only the most baselevel reasoning as town, something is wrong with your playstyle.

VOTE: Dunnstral

Yeah I'll sheep this (is it a sheep if you independently scumread them? whatever)

VOTE: Prism

[SirCakez]

I am mostly caught up

Not much to say other than not thrilled with notty's entrance

I was hoping for a little more from your big catchup.

Not science could be scum, don’t get me wrong some of Grey ICE’s posts are bad and I would hammer to prevent a no elim but a not science wagon is literally push a lurker to avoid the PoE again.

It wouldn't be a lurker/vibes wagon though because as some have noted notsci's entrance was pretty bad.

i've played with bork twice now.

once in tenet and once in 2181

this is much closer to the 2181 version of bork,

he feels like a wallflower; incredibly passive, just gliding with the flow - letting the game state push his vote around as if he does not really care much about the flip.

in Tenet Bork was very opinionated and made strong sharp pushes that were good and had purpose and force of belief behind them. I just don't see that here.

I agree with this

[SirCakez]

there is no notsci wagon lmao

[SirCakez]

oh I just realized I voted Prism in that post oops
I meant to vote Dunn
I was talking about sheeping Prism's vote

VOTE: dunnstral

[SirCakez]

Two votes isn't a wagon
This is a dumb argument

[SirCakez]

hi i'm on p26 and just was curious why cakez is still alive

yikes

[SirCakez]

really depressed today won't be here

[SirCakez]

thanks pooky <3
this is just a game i'm always happy to hear everybody is still friends outside of game context

[SirCakez]

cakez trash talk motivated me like nothing else <3 love you buddy

town played absolutely stellar the whole way, mathblade & prism got my back so hard <3

Thanks to our wonderful mods - the flavor is great and I should definitely watch this show :3

<3 <3 that was my goal

I'm gonna write up a Paperback Writer nom for Penguin later because holy shit. The flavor writing this game, wow!

[SirCakez]

I liked this game and playerlist a lot it was very chill ^.^
Even my (faked) beef with Pooky felt like it never got anywhere past just playing Mafia
I love all of you!

[SirCakez]

Paperback Writer
04/04/2021	SirCakez	Penguin_alien	Warehouse 13: The Mafia Game	Penguin wrote a whole book's worth of game-accurate flavor for this game based on an obscure SyFy TV show, including flavored roles, flavored game mechanics, and virtually every game message being flavored (even invitations to dead chat and note PT OPs!) The amount of work that was put in here is truly impressive and made this one of the most themed Large Themes I've ever played.

[SirCakez]

mastina was very busy and basically absent for most of day 1