Happy Face Mafia (Game Over)

[Dunnstral]

Name a name unwnd

[Dunnstral]

I name myself

What do I win

This is a copout answer.

Hey guys, you know what alignment likes copout answers? That's right, the mafia!

VOTE: unwnd

[Dunnstral]

This wagon setup reeks of punishing Dunn voters.

Uh, what are you talking about?

[Dunnstral]

In reality, why not? Of course i think Sam is mafialooking for me, but i really wondered, what happens if i vote. Not disappointed.

Not disappointed in what? Why are you still voting for me?

[Dunnstral]

In reality, why not? Of course i think Sam is mafialooking for me, but i really wondered, what happens if i vote. Not disappointed.

Not disappointed in what? Why are you still voting for me?

Why not

You made it seem like you were waiting for something to happen with your vote, and that it had already happened.

What was it that made you say "Not disappointed."?

[Dunnstral]

@Dunn, why should I tr you here? All of your posting so far screams just null.

Pooky and Noraa tend to get gut feelings when I'm scum

[Dunnstral]

it's concerning that you are inactive yet responded to a question to you in less than 1 minute

Why are you only pushing based on activity?

@VFP, why do so many of your posts read kind’ve hedgey? Like you seem to not really want to take a stand on anything?

Maybe I should vote you then? Change my mind.

Also, are we even reading the same game? In what world is this game “too slow”?

I get the vibe that they usually play on MU or a similar site, they've got teh general attitude

[Dunnstral]

for you, I just played a game with you where you were very present so it's nice to see you here now

I was not town in that game

[Dunnstral]

I was not town in that game

me neither

how do you feel about the whemestar part

I believe that he does that as town too

[Dunnstral]

what kinda setup is this expected to be in terms of mechanics?

We don't know

[Dunnstral]

btw that post makes Samantha >rand lost wolf if there is one lol

They are generally referred to traitors and almost always know who their teammates are in practice, on this site.

[Dunnstral]

Apparently I am in fact required to post

My thoughts:
I'm not really scumreading enchant, which is where my vote has been parked. This isn't a townread,
Samantha is weird. Somebody posted that they voted for me and then gave reasoning for after the initial push, that is correct.
I also think that Bell's play here is scum-indicative.

I acknowledge the gladiator post by Retti. You should get claims before using your ability, not after.

[Dunnstral]

I'm town 2-shot seer.

Fake claim from another site.

This mod would not use the term "seer" to refer to a cop

[Dunnstral]

Waiting for gladiate

[Dunnstral]

This mod would not use the term "seer" to refer to a cop

you played a game with maria in which there was a seer on this site

I'm not sure what you are getting at

[Dunnstral]

We can hold off on eliminating Robert today and see how many people die + if anybody else has a role that suggest multiball

[Dunnstral]

Actually, Robert, can you clarify what your role does, and what your role says?

Is your role name actually "2-shot seer" or something similar to that?

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Robert M Hunter

[Dunnstral]

why are there so many fuckin subs on this site

it kinda kills my motivation when ev``````ery single game has 5 replacements

It's the same slot. Unwnd -> Enchant -> Andante

Usually when the same slot keeps replacing out it ends up being scum

[Dunnstral]

Was that a joke hammer?

[Dunnstral]

Alright, now that all of town's good roles have died incidentally, let's look back at what happened yesterday.

First of all, there were two kills, One was either from town or it's mutiball, or mafia have multiple kills. Right now I'm leaning toward the extra kill being from town.

If I remember correctly, there were a few people who had weird reactions to what seemed like a pretty bad claim. I don't know what motivated Robert to say it was a joke claim, he must have not talked to his team, or his team thought that was a good idea.

[Dunnstral]

What are you voting me for?

[Dunnstral]

Reread what Romance role pm said.

[Dunnstral]

don't forget that there is an unwritten cost associated with using a mask

I am almost positive my mask will kill me if I use it

I don't see this information in the setup

[Dunnstral]

jjh? more like: zzz

Because this boring gameplay looks like sleeper scum

[Dunnstral]

Retti I had/have suspicions on,

What did you think of the gladiate?

[Dunnstral]

Titus is just town fwiw

Why is Titus town?

[Dunnstral]

Can anybody who is voting me come up with something more convincing than "why not"?

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: jjh927

[Dunnstral]

Anybody else want to do a sanity check and go over Andate's iso in relation to her stance on me?

Where did 1361 and 1368 come from?

[Dunnstral]

We can hold off on eliminating Robert today and see how many people die + if anybody else has a role that suggest multiball

Can you go over the mind set on this?
This would need to show that you suspect Robert as town here as plausible.
What changes if 2 players die during the night like it did, or even 3?

Outside of this
I don't see why Scum Dunn just calls out Robert as using a fake role and then tries to prevent a lim on what seems pretty promising.
This would just keep Dunn on the high possibility as scum The next day, and I'm surprised that no one is using this as a reason over, well nothing.
I'm not going to fully rule out scum theatre between Dunn and Robert here but I just don't see Dunn flipping scum here.

The wagon itself isn't the strongest wagon either. It looks more like the survival wagon for some players (Raya and Titus) who both have suspicion on them.

Anyone is welcome to convince me why Dunn is scum though.

Well if it was multiball they essentially claimed cop. There was no evidence to suggest it wasn't multiball outside of maybe flavor.

It gives room for either a vig to claim or other multiball type rolls to claim, or for an anti-town player to die at night

[Dunnstral]

Dunnstral - His mentions of Bell could easily be bussing, his D2 entrance was a bit odd (saying all good town roles are dead, discussing multiball (maybe afraid of too much partner analysis))

Not seeing a real reason to vote for me here

You don't have any better leads?

[Dunnstral]

Outside of Andante and jjh do you have any reads?
I can't see your stance on anyone else.

I have Retti, Sam, Willow, yourself, Bear hugs, and Flea as likely town

[Dunnstral]

The way Andante tries to point at everything and call it bad comes from scum
Many of these points miss context, like saying I'm using self meta when I'm responding to Samantha and that's bad, and saying 887 was not related to solving

So.... I'm thinking that unwnd was indeed scum, and named himself, and then the slot replaced out twice

[Dunnstral]

Why did you say all good town roles are dead? You can't honestly think that's all town has.

Cop died and is a powerful role, even with the list restriction. Town Joat also died. That's a lot of town power. Trying to read into it as if I said something scummy is wild.

[Dunnstral]

jjh is more likely to be scum just because he throws things out like 'Titus is town for sure' and nobody really cares, but if something relates to me then multiple people question me

[Dunnstral]

2 days left Retti; you're asking for claims too, right?

[Dunnstral]

We should be eliminating Andante, Titus, JJH, in roughly that order of preference

VOTE: Andante

[Dunnstral]

I mean titus could be scum, raya feels like titus is town, and I could go either way on titus, so I'm not pushing titus,

Then don't call her town

[Dunnstral]

lmao am I voted out yet? I know all yall keep voting me, it's like, whatever, but I'm honestly not scum

Considering it's 8 to eliminate and you have three or so votes, I'd assume not

There's also the whole gladiate thing that will be happening today, in case you forgot, my votes are more symbolic

[Dunnstral]

it seems like and might be a small thing but I am stuck on dunnstral prioritizing lynching titus over jjh, when he's never commented on titus the entire game or even talked to titus, and has expressed suspicion for jjh and voted him

even when titus was attacking his town power comment he never actually engaged

It's hesitation on jjh actually being scum

[Dunnstral]

Whemestar could be scum

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Enchant

Dunn vote is bad

I am very confident on enchant scum here.

@Wheme, why are you so confident on Enchant!scum?

I think this is scum enchant.

This feels like partner distancing, especially since they never revisited this again, and now the two slots never interact with each other.

The vote on Bell is whatever.

Their vote on me is unexplained and doesn't follow with what they're saying they want to do (sheep bear hugs).

And now they're lurking it out while the focus is elsewhere.

[Dunnstral]

Has Robert made a post since being glad?

If not I’ll hammer rn

Has Robert made a post since being glad?

If not I’ll hammer rn

What would be the point of me posting?

VOTE: RMH

Does Robert try to stop his buddy from hammering him though?

Robert and Wheme post so sporadically that both of them being in the thread at the same time is actually a partner tell

[Dunnstral]

jjh is like wine, gets better the longer you leave them.

I think he's molding, actually

[Dunnstral]

Having a hard time seeing either of those kills as town directed.

I changed my mind on Raya, I was dumb to suspect her. Currentlylooking at Titus, PenguinPower, jjh9927, WhemeStar, and Dunnstral as targets.

[Dunnstral]

My thoughts:

PenguinPower is clearly missing internet here. I think he's probably town for the following reason:
He claimed to have not noticed getting the day start pm in posts 454 and 455. This is believable; as a list mod, he deals with other pms besides game pms. If he were scum, he'd have very likely made an ego post in his scum pt, and would have been more likely to notice that the game had started if his teammates had talked at all. I think it is unlikely that he pretended to have not known the game started.

Titus, WhemeStar, jjh927 are all super low activity here around the point where Retti is deciding on who to gladiate. (And that's suspicious, among other reasons to suspect them.)

[Andante, Titus, Whemestar, jjh927]

My solve is 2-3 mafia in the above pool, and 1-2 townies. I recommend killing everybody in that pool.

[Dunnstral]

VC 2.3

Dunnstral (6) - Flea The Magician, WhemeStar, samantha97, Andante, Raya36, Titus
jjh927 (2) - Esooa, Dunnstral
Titus (2) - T3 willow1
Raya36 (1) - VFP


Not Voting: (4) , PenguinPower, jjh927, Retti, Bear HUGS

Deadline is in (expired on 2021-05-07 05:05:29)

With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to fade away

Here is what the votecount looked like when they all stopped posting, which I believe further supports that some of them are dodging the thread here; sort of taking it easy.

[Dunnstral]

[Dunnstral]

can you be more specific as to why you are heavily opposed to a titus vote flea

I strongly believe she's town. One of my strongest reads actually based on Meta and what she's done here so far.

Also the best drunk game is Mario Kart Double Dash with friends

Titus is just town fwiw

Why is Titus town?

I'm not agreeing with a number of the things she is saying, but there are other things where she absolutely makes sense, and I feel like she's always saying things that make sense from what I know of her thought process. This appears to be Titus' real outlook on the game, as opposed to her scumgame. I somewhat expect her to have a few things that I completely disagree with, but she's a lot easier for me to place now I think I know roughly how she thinks.

There might conceivably be some minor recent differences in meta that I'm tuned in on that other people who are scumreading her are not? Might be worth checking up on the team mafia game she was in, as I think this is extremely similar play.

For some reason the people who defend Titus are super vague about it and just say "what she's done here so far" and "there are other things where she absolutely makes sense."

At the very least I feel that these reads are just not very good

[Dunnstral]

So where do you think scum are voting in vote count 1.5 above?

[Dunnstral]

That's probably enough posts

Titus is looking to try and push wagons on people she thinks are scum, especially when people are voting for people she does not think are scum
She is engaging with people to the end of convincing them of her viewpoint

This is Titus' towngame

I can buy that, sort of

I think the places she actually landed for her are kind of garbage. I think her pool of 3 is more likely to be all town than not.

[Dunnstral]

19 hours is the deadline for Retti to use their ability. They also need to get claims and process them in that time, plus their own availability could cut that time shorter

[Dunnstral]

IMO whemestar should be considered today

[Dunnstral]

Idk who to vote I was hoping to sheep bear hugs again

VOTE: Dunnstral

My vote is just being wasted at this point and I think Titus is more likely as scum than Andante.
I'll end up changing back to Titus unless anyone convinces me otherwise.

Why not dunn?

[Dunnstral]

I'm feeling Dunn and Andante currently, there's a lot of AtE and deflection from this and little in the actual way of solid content imo.

Can you point to where I've used AtE or deflection, or are you talking about Andante?

[Dunnstral]

For that matter, where does Andante use AtE? Right now it seems like you threw in a buzzword.

[Dunnstral]

1039, 1210, 1217 are the reasons I'm reading Flea as town; frankly the rest of their posts suck

[Dunnstral]

Also what is the point of 1506? It has a dead person, the mod, and yourself in it

[Dunnstral]

He's been deflecting rather than sorting and that's only after being wagoned.

Can you point this out?

[Dunnstral]

lmao am I voted out yet? I know all yall keep voting me, it's like, whatever, but I'm honestly not scum

Alright convince me why you’re town. I just feel like you’re more interested in confibiasing Dunn than trying to sort him and why do you keep pushing Willow?

I'm not towncasing myself, I'm literally town, I know my role, and Dunn feels like scum to me so I'm pushing dunn

lmao am I voted out yet? I know all yall keep voting me, it's like, whatever, but I'm honestly not scum

Considering it's 8 to eliminate and you have three or so votes, I'd assume not

There's also the whole gladiate thing that will be happening today, in case you forgot, my votes are more symbolic

ooh another duel!! idk, there hasn't been a VC in a year, I see lots of "vote andante" 's so ehhh

[Dunnstral]

Votes won't count until the duel is officially announced

My thoughts:

PenguinPower is clearly missing internet here. I think he's probably town for the following reason:
He claimed to have not noticed getting the day start pm in posts 454 and 455. This is believable; as a list mod, he deals with other pms besides game pms. If he were scum, he'd have very likely made an ego post in his scum pt, and would have been more likely to notice that the game had started if his teammates had talked at all. I think it is unlikely that he pretended to have not known the game started.

Thoughts on this?

[Dunnstral]

I was under the impression that Beeboy was a backup mod

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Titus

[Dunnstral]

well if titus was off the table and retti theoretically never used gladiate, who would you want to lynch today?

I'd probably go along with people running up Dunn, see what he looked like when the pressure piled on, and either go with that or try to pivot over to T3

Were the 6 votes I got earlier not good enough for you? Were you not planning to let the gladiate happen?

[Dunnstral]

This was a weird gladiate honestly

Idk I think we have to elim titus

Who is scum?

[Dunnstral]

I name myself

What do I win

This is a copout answer.

Hey guys, you know what alignment likes copout answers? That's right, the mafia!

VOTE: unwnd

Subject: Silent Star 3: Royalty

I fee like I should be townreading Gloria by now and I'm not. The Skitter30/Gloria interactions tasted a bit weird.

My town atm is (Isis/Pooky/Ydrasse/Infinity) with a maybe on MT. Everyone else I need more on than I've got.

This is the kind of post we come back to later if you flip scum

Dunn made a very similar post to town!Hopkirk and I think if Andante’s town and I’m starting to lean that way, then she/Enchant may be Hopkirk in this game.

VOTE: Dunn

I know this won’t count but I now not only think Titus is town but after re-reading Dunn ISO is right.

Am I alone in thinking that the two quoted posts here are completely different?

[Dunnstral]

Why does nobody care that whemestar isn't doing anything, but everybody cares about penguin?

[Dunnstral]

Has Titus ever explained how my posts are "deflections"?

[Dunnstral]

Can you point to something that happened before you said I was deflecting?

[Dunnstral]

But you also said Titus claim didn't sit well for you.

[Dunnstral]

*So why is it Sam that is fishing

[Dunnstral]

T3, Raya, and Flea. Who is scum?

[Dunnstral]

You don't give your own opinions.

Incorrect

[Dunnstral]

Saying that my entire iso is deflection is also incorrect

Saying that I don't talk about Penguin is both silly because the slot is a non-poster, and also incorrect because I gave my opinion

[Dunnstral]

I'm sat on You at the moment. your buddies aren't clear to me yet...

This is weak sauce

[Dunnstral]

Noraa here. Have not caught up but I don't understand why Dunn is scummy in any way?
Like why is voting Titus scummy? Right now there is a gladiate on Titus and rhetti. We can ONLY vote those two. Why is it scummy?

If Dunn is seriously scum heare, then he figured out how to manipulate his tone to fool me whether on purpose or subconsciously. I dunno which but its unlikely imo. I have a soul TR on him atm.

By the way you guys said I was scum too

[Dunnstral]

A duel has started between Titus and Retti! They are the only valid votes and have been reset.

I can quote things too

[Dunnstral]

It is kinda scummy when a lot of us have agreed the duel is probably TvT and we have the option to not vote at all. People still voting anyway could include scum hoping it'll get enough traction to go through anyway if the wagon gets close

at the same time no elim is very anti town because it gives scum a "free kill"

Dunn, I never said you were scum so uh, direct that at Nancy. I don't really care what her or pooky's read on you is because I stand firm on my TR.

And Rhetti, just don't gladiate if ur not certain. It doesn't matter too much tho I do think that no elimination is anti town and we should kill Titus today. Imma consult my other heads but I do think Titus should die today.

Noraa here. Have not caught up but I don't understand why Dunn is scummy in any way?
Like why is voting Titus scummy? Right now there is a gladiate on Titus and rhetti. We can ONLY vote those two. Why is it scummy?

If Dunn is seriously scum here, then he figured out how to manipulate his tone to fool me whether on purpose or subconsciously. I dunno which but its unlikely imo. I have a soul TR on him atm.

Noraa, I really think you’re wrong here.

This is an annoying way to play as a hydra

[Dunnstral]

dunn I do not know why you act like letting deadline pass w/o majority is not an option

there are a few different ways it can resolve but intentional tie/no majority are both plausible no elim scenarios

I don't think we should assume things without asking. Right now I think it's unclear enough that it's possible it's not allowed.

[Dunnstral]

By the way, I don't think Titus is so town that we should no vote instead of eliminating her.

[Dunnstral]

Trivia: The last time Flea has gone 2 posts without talking about me was 9 days ago

[Dunnstral]

Mafia have a ninja

[Dunnstral]

It's for the next round of night actions

[Dunnstral]

I thought Titus and Retti were "the only valid votes"

[Dunnstral]

well hopefully penguin or penguin adjacent is here tomorrow

Why wasn't he replaced with the last vc?

[Dunnstral]

Andante... what were your reads again?

[Dunnstral]

I'm not certain. Dunn is my strongest sr though

You don't seem to be doing anything about it then

Last I heard you were backing off of that

[Dunnstral]

And why do you scumread me?

[Dunnstral]

Having a hard time seeing either of those kills as town directed.

I changed my mind on Raya, I was dumb to suspect her. Currentlylooking at Titus, PenguinPower, jjh9927, WhemeStar, and Dunnstral as targets.

My thoughts:

PenguinPower is clearly missing internet here. I think he's probably town for the following reason:
He claimed to have not noticed getting the day start pm in posts 454 and 455. This is believable; as a list mod, he deals with other pms besides game pms. If he were scum, he'd have very likely made an ego post in his scum pt, and would have been more likely to notice that the game had started if his teammates had talked at all. I think it is unlikely that he pretended to have not known the game started.

Titus, WhemeStar, jjh927 are all super low activity here around the point where Retti is deciding on who to gladiate. (And that's suspicious, among other reasons to suspect them.)

[Andante, Titus, Whemestar, jjh927]

My solve is 2-3 mafia in the above pool, and 1-2 townies. I recommend killing everybody in that pool.

[Dunnstral]

That's not related to the above post

[Dunnstral]

Do you guys think the top 2 wagons day 1 are both scum?

I also dont think titus is scum here

I'm pretty sure T3 is scum and his partners are ineffective players.

PP Dunn T3 is my solve.

I was told town PP is inactive and scum PP tries to lead the game

Do you guys think the top 2 wagons day 1 are both scum?

I also dont think titus is scum here

I'm pretty sure T3 is scum and his partners are ineffective players.

PP Dunn T3 is my solve.

I was told town PP is inactive and scum PP tries to lead the game

You've played with the Peng before though, so why go on what you're told and not on what you know from previous live play?

told by who

Idr someone in animals upic

it's dunnstral/flea/titus/penguin isn't it

Home sweet home.



OK in seriousness though, I'm curious what the cost of these mask abilities are. I know what mine does, but I don't know the cost that I pay...

Weird interaction between Wheme/Flea

[Dunnstral]

What’s weird about it?

Flea asks Wheme something, Wheme responds to stuff around it, and they both go their own ways after

[Dunnstral]

Scum!FL was

FL isn't in this game

[Dunnstral]

Why is that suspicious let alone scum indicative? Wouldn’t scum be far more likely to be active in order to influence Retti’s decision?

Then who do you suspect?

[Dunnstral]

Seriously though, Flea only comes into the thread to pick at my posts. No eyes anywhere else.

[Dunnstral]

I tried to use my mask, but I appear to have been blocked

[Dunnstral]

Use it as in, activate it.

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Andante

[Dunnstral]

assuming Andante mafia the POE is probably just professor/wheme/jjh/willow, right

[Andante, Titus, Whemestar, jjh927]

My solve is 2-3 mafia in the above pool, and 1-2 townies. I recommend killing everybody in that pool.

[Dunnstral]

So

What happened to all the people whose only read was "Dunn scum" yesterday

Jjh? Whemestar? Why didn't you vote me coming into today? Flea?

[Dunnstral]

Really? Even though Andante is scum?

[Dunnstral]

So who else is scum?

[Dunnstral]

Doc claim not protecting Retti night 1 is a scum claim anyway

[Dunnstral]

Why are you voting Andante?

Cause I'm doc, but T3 is a pr that has me guilty, yet can't claim anything else... so I'm automatically scum

That was before any claims, I'm curious why before knowing any of this

Their read on me felt obviously fabricated day 1, and their overall reads are bad/nonexistant

[Dunnstral]

actually, what am I thinking, I don't need to wait on the mod to answer, I can just post this and see if it still works

duel: Andante

I think Andante is the real doctor.
I’d Andante is Town there is a high likelihood of Retti being scum.

Did you miss T3 claiming a guilty?

[Dunnstral]

I think we should no elim again, just to be on the safe side

[Dunnstral]

I was kidding

[Dunnstral]

https://zeldadungeon.net/forum/threads/ ... ead.69673/
Go ahead, watch my masterpiece.
I’m Kreaal and actually I may have been yeeted day 2 not 1 I don’t remember.

What is the relevance of this link?

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Andante

[Dunnstral]

And it's not whemestar/jjh because ____

[Dunnstral]

I have a problem

Yesterday it felt like Andante was trying to get a counter-claim
Today the doctor was straight up killed

Is that solely in response to 1920?

Second, I think t3's claimed role, mixed with the dead roles and other known roles is... pushing the limits of balance, at least, though they seem town based on the way they played it

Edit: the above post helps a lot and it's likely to me that t3 was simply targeted for a kill and protected by a maf team who assumed no protectives (which was a fair assumption based on power. This might mean that we can expect another result out of t3 today

[Dunnstral]

Samantha explain, why is it a good idea to eliminate you today? You have to do what, shoot again? at who?

[Dunnstral]

I think today would be a good time for a mass claim. I propose the following order:

jjh927
ProfessorDrapion
Titus
Raya36
VFP (reconfirm)
Bear Hugs
Willow1

[Dunnstral]

I'm a vigilante + POE cop -

there's at least 1 mafia in Titus/jjh927

[

Andante

, Titus,

Whemestar

, jjh927]

My solve is 2-3 mafia in the above pool, and 1-2 townies. I recommend killing everybody in that pool.

When you're right you're right

I believe your claim but find it concerning that balance seems to have been thrown out the window and the town faction feels overpowering even with two pretty strong power roles dying before th ey could do anything, and with the vig killing two prs

[Dunnstral]

jjh927
jjh927
jjh927

[Dunnstral]

My mask is essentially ic but it just reveals the users alignment (in case it got stolen by the mafia)

I tried to use it day 3 and then again on day 4. It didn't work on day 3 but still functioned after

I'm not aware of any drawbacks associated with the mask, even after using it

[Dunnstral]

Mass claim is a good idea because there are already multiple slots the mafia has to kill, and the most important roles are out already, plus our protective is dead (who I'd otherwise want hidden)

[Dunnstral]

I don't fully understand Samantha's claim

I understand that they're a vig and they're sure that mafia is jjh or titus, I don't understand why they want to be eliminated or how they figured out it was jjh/titus

[Dunnstral]

Damn, I think that makes me the objectively correct elim for today

I'm neg utility- if I die in an odd phase then flips will only be alignment and not role after that point. This is an even phase so we're good

VOTE: jjh927

[Dunnstral]

if I knew mafia roles I'd be an open book, but it's entirely possible they have something like a governor

They would have used it by now, surely. Especially since retti said they would gain powers

[Dunnstral]

I need professor's claim

[Dunnstral]

I think today would be a good time for a mass claim. I propose the following order:

jjh927
ProfessorDrapion
Titus
Raya36
VFP (reconfirm)
Bear Hugs
Willow1

VT.
If the mafia goon as actual town Doctor I was gonna fake some PR and pretend to have used it on Retti.

This explanation doesn't make sense to me
Especially because it's super vague with 'some pr'

I think that based on almost everyone else claiming an investigative pr you couldn't go ahead with whatever you wanted to claim due to power issues

I either got roleblocked on night 3 or my own mask delayed my reveal by 1 night as a downside. If I got blocked it makes sense to me that mafia would move to block Retti last night while killing t3

[Dunnstral]

Do people think it's a better idea to leave samantha alive for sure?

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12 people alive right now, 2 of which are scum

If we elim sam:

day 5: 10 people alive, 2 of which are scum
day 6: 8 people alive, 1 of which is scum

If we don't and then miselim:

day 5: 9 people alive, 1 of which is scum
day 6: 6 people alive, 1 of which is scum

...Right now we're at evens with no way to resolve that so it might be worth it to leave sam alive for 1 night and then kill them after?

day 5: 9 people alive, 1 of which is scum
day 6: 7 people alive, 1 of which is scum

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scenario 1 and 3 end up going to day 8, while scenario 2 goes to day 7, there are 4 people alive in scenario 1 and 3 in 2/3

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IMO, we should decide between scenario 2 or scenario 3

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scum!jj wants Sam's extra kill. jj's claim is fake to get it so we elim jj tonight and sam lives to kill an extra townie.

jjh didn't hear out sam's full claim before their own claim

Their claim was wifom to try to survive by looking town based on claim

Also, it doesn't matter even if he does want that

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A nice balanced setup where we've got 3 guilties on jjh

[Dunnstral]

jjh town would equal titus plus one of the mask users

The mask users are Dunn (town), Sam (town), Retti (almost certainly town), T3 (almost certainly town), Flea

Flea was inno'd by T3

Retti would have to have dueled his entire team as scum

Unfortunately, T3 would be the most likely scum

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With that said, it's probably just jjh instead

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Nice meme though

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So... what's the deal with 'ninja checker'

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Pretty impressive targeting on that tracker

[Dunnstral]

Any reason to think it's VFP?

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So confirmed then

Samantha (at least not Mafia)
Retti
Dunn

Flea was here due to T3 but I think not confirmed now? Unless I'm wrong.

Town
Willow
Bear, I guess?
Still Flea from play alone I think

So a mis lim today makes it 6 players and 1 scum..
Another mis lim makes it 3 players and 1 scum.
(At worst)

Even if you lim Samantha, we only have 2 mis lims now so that works out to not need to.
If there's a deep wolf in the town list I just think it's Bears

Other than that I favour Drapion as scum and if wrong just hope the second kill is in me, Raya, or Bears.

@Samantha

Can your ability thing hit you or is it only other town?

Maybe

It's 3 elims vs 2 elims but one of the elims we need would be sam, and if we take that route the mafia kills all our clears. If we accelerate things a bit then mafia would only have time to kill me and retti

However, what we need to watch out for is that because sam is forced to shoot every night, it's easy for scum to manipulate the game state to where there's 4 people alive and we have to eliminate somebody

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retti's info clears every mask claim.

Right, so, if we play this safe we eventually end up at final 3 with Retti/Flea/Me dead

If we leave sam alive we potentially end up in a situation where one of Retti/Flea/Me are alive, and worse case scenario is that none of us are alive BUT sam is alive and I believe he is firmly outside of the poe so it would be at worst the same

So I believe it's better to leave sam alive at this point

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uhhh there is scum counterplay with scum shooting sam tonight, exact result depends on whether or not her big still goes through but I still think the worst case scenario is 2 elims plus 4 way w/ a clear which matches the expected result of yeet sam plan

fuck it guess I didn't need to go back to bed anyway

Then they're not shooting one of me/retti/raya

So even though it goes down to 4, it's still not a good solution

It's a gamble

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and by raya I mean, flea

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even if say, sam shoots me and mafia shoot sam, we still end up with at least one of retti/flea in the 4p limlo, so it seems we at least go even

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On this site it always goes through if killed

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You're confirmed from Retti's mask info

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I’m flipping today

Even this is left to be determined

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In case it's not over and I die:

I don't think it's VFP, the way they claimed vt with no mask after Titus was towny and I don't feel like they're scum apart from that