Situation Room [Game Over!]

[OkaPoka]

i win gg

[OkaPoka]

im legit so hyped rn like ive never been so excited to lose omg omg omg omg omg

[OkaPoka]

bell, you are the win condition

[OkaPoka]

hi guilty its been a long time

[OkaPoka]

okay about the setup: obviously if we were perfect we'd figure out a way to create a list of townreads, congregate all the top townreads on each wagon and concentrate the powers such that the townreads are always on the wagon together but uh yeah hmm 17p all agreeing just isnt it so i guess what im saying is that president dannflor needs to charm us all into salvation and we just need to pray that dann rolled town

[OkaPoka]

well im thinking that we need to have some consistency between neighborhoods so we can relay messages since game thread is locked

[OkaPoka]

yeah this is going to be an absolute buttblasting because vengefeul + neighborhood kills + game thread lock when it gets there + its a 5 v 12 like jesus we are going to get massacred but these absolute massacre setups are fun

[OkaPoka]

and the worst part is that nsg cant replace in and carry us so like how are we supposed to win

[OkaPoka]

oh wait am i stupid i thought the neighborhoods can nuke other neighborhoods

[OkaPoka]

@mod when kills are decided within a neighborhood, does that mean neighborhod A can only kill people from neighborhood A or anybody alive?

[OkaPoka]

fwiw bell i think my interpretation is correct because otherwise this setup can result in a lot of draws?

[OkaPoka]

im like 90% sure this setups is straight up breakable for scum lulz

[OkaPoka]

@mod when kills are decided within a neighborhood, does that mean neighborhod A can only kill people from neighborhood A or anybody alive?

Anybody alive.

ty

[OkaPoka]

actually idc i have to ask and if we lose we lose but its intriguing

whats stopping scum from just group hopping every single wagon and having majority share of every neighborhood since theoretically u need only 1/2 of 1/2 to control a neighborhood

[OkaPoka]

eugh okay the counter is literally leashing every vote otherwise yeah, the only way its beatable is if we collectively have a 100% reads rate and literally dont miss ever

we probably want to arbitrarily set a deadline of 7 days to lim and reserve the last 5 in case shenanigans which are certainly possible

[OkaPoka]

wait im being stupid we can straight up just lim the people who vote hopped okay imma peace out for now later

[OkaPoka]

wait lets yeet jingle's strategy of having 1 person neighborhoods

[OkaPoka]

or have EVERYONE* (disclaimer: not everyone) so you can have a nice neighborhood party since a large problem of with town is going to be communication barriers

[OkaPoka]

@mod can u copy paste stuff from one neighborhood to another

[OkaPoka]

The only issue with that is that the first neighborhood guy would die when they hit scum and the neighborhood would be destroyed.
But if we can get a guranteed townie in there that's better than, obviously the other possibility.

Hmm.

yeah we hit scum we "lose" the neighborhood" but i dont think that matters because the general idea is we want to reduce the game to one neighborhood so it becomes a standard nightless vengeful game and avoid the whole mess of no comms

ive been playing a lot of valorant recently and let me tell u, having no comms sucks big time

[OkaPoka]

the 6th neighborhood is going to suck so much because they are guaranteed to not be in communication with the rest of the five

my solution is to kill off the first 5 neighborhoods by consolidating it to one person who will get venge'd 100% of the time probably but theoretically there might be other solutions that are more nerdy like finding a way to link the first 5 neighborhood togethers with certain players being relays and making it impossible to sever all the ties between the neighborhoods and then collectively nuking the 6th neighborhood so they dont get to kill

pedit: ah shit so if we do relay strats we need people who are good at summarizing and capturing emotions etc. rip

[OkaPoka]

yo so i know some of you fit this description so im asking

which one(s) of you have been so good at taking notes other students have asked for your notes when they missed class

[OkaPoka]

ok actually ive posted too much bye ill be back when the game starts for reals

[OkaPoka]

president dann rolled scum oh no!

[OkaPoka]

Do u think either me or bell are going to not play the game and only mech talk? Cmon now

[OkaPoka]

very strange hill for dann to stand on all thing considered

[OkaPoka]

very strange hill for dann to stand on all thing considered

you've played with me before

and you've played with me!

[OkaPoka]

its against my morals to vote you as i believe we must leash every single vote this game

[OkaPoka]

president dann rolled scum oh no!

[OkaPoka]

well as mechanical talk has so evidently pointed out this setup is very very hard to win for town without proper leashing, we still need good reads to win, but good reads are not enough. we need good leashes as well as otherwise there is simply too much room for scum to force a win.

[OkaPoka]

HURT: dannflor best i can do

[OkaPoka]

HURT: dannflor best i can do

Haven't you ever wanted to go apeshit, Oka?

yes im very prone to tilt voting so i must try and restrain myself for as long as possible before i /muteall, buy mobis and 5 tears and run it down mid

pedit: u can vote or w/ever, if you dont post much its helpful to see your votes, but i think people will hear enough of me to know where i stand and so i can afford to become righteous!

[OkaPoka]

uh oh i feel like im missing a reference

[OkaPoka]

qoobee i liked your idea of a superhero team but it'll probably take too long so we'd need to expand our superhero team to 9

[OkaPoka]

8* sry

[OkaPoka]

or 9 actually yeah

anyways im thinking about it but its a bit early to form it you know, pretty much banking the game on the superhero team

[OkaPoka]

its going to be coalition esque where we put our top townreads together, but also standard scumhunting rates apply where we vote out bottom

[OkaPoka]

depending on how active the playerlist is how we will figure out whether we want big neighborhoods or nerd out to have mini neighborhoods

anyways yeah yeah mech talk, but tbh no trust sorry lads

[OkaPoka]

hmm but bingle who cares if u are in this game, i was citing the great jingle who has absolutely no relation to this... bingle creature

[OkaPoka]

bingle town for not tryharding

[OkaPoka]

dann y r u so weird this game

[OkaPoka]

hypothermia do we know each other

[OkaPoka]

Default townread bell trust me, if hes scum he historically becomes very obvious and with a setup like this u just gotta put faith

[OkaPoka]

Im interested in ur bingle take yuri

[OkaPoka]

Bingles going to be like why and i want to speed up this interaction u know

[OkaPoka]

Unless ur waiting for bingle to do something to confirm something rather than talk to him in which case ill be sad

[OkaPoka]

I have bingle as town and just want to know why you have him as scum

[OkaPoka]

Ok

[OkaPoka]

Bell you are so lucky ive played with scum you twice

[OkaPoka]

Lolwut r u trying to start here gamma

[OkaPoka]

Solo do i know u

[OkaPoka]

i feel like you have a very distinct way of talking and i should know you

[OkaPoka]

Hahaha ok what was this about apeshit

[OkaPoka]

No reaction from Cupcake

I think i detect enough enthusiasm from Oka to put him as town

Which means my reads really closely mirror DGB's

DGB, you still consider yourself stronger in lategame?

U detected it now? I think ive become a spectator recently

[OkaPoka]

So the italics on poka meant nothing? ;_;

[OkaPoka]

I legit looked up myself and games with apeshit, found a single scum pt in a micro 7 years ago and reread that game. Ive put more effort into the mystery of the apeshit than this game

[OkaPoka]

Someone will have to spell out to me why Dragon is the top wagon...

FakeGod, if there's something you want to direct my attention to you'll need to be specific.

Bingle idk
Bell because elitell
Dann because he wants to vote gamma voters and presumably prefers std over hypothermia etc.
Qoobee didnt like stds hilariously mopey reaction to being naked voted

[OkaPoka]

cupcake legit do u have negative feelings on anyone

[OkaPoka]

this is how im imagining you tbh gimme a better descriptor

[OkaPoka]

i think we are going to be friends this game

[OkaPoka]

Creature's evolution

[OkaPoka]

I dont feel like voting rn tbh

[OkaPoka]

wait we just need one neighborhood thats somewhat small full of utrs and then we ask every other neighborhood to just vote no lim?

[OkaPoka]

am i crazy or

[OkaPoka]

Std i dont read you as mad i read you as somewhat aloof and a bit confused with a hint of smug sarcasticness

[OkaPoka]

Also ive been thinking about the mechanics of the game sorry and i think ive fleshed out a full plan

We want to select one neighborhood to be like 5 big with utrs, this neighborhood should be 4th or 5th, Could be smaller depending on how many scum we limmed so we need less buffers.

We dont want to have a 6th neighborhood because its impossible for the 6th neighborhood to really communicate with other neighborhoods. So we want the first neighborhood to have our scumreads i think, big neighborhood, we wont feel bad killing from it, any redeemers joins other neighborhoods, and of course final idea is to no lim in every neighborhood except designated utr neighborhood

Ok as for the game because i must throw a bone to those who care abt reads

Town:
Bell, Guiltylion for good reason i think
Bingle maybe
Hypothermia for possibly terrible metagaming reasons
Yuri out of pure hope that my alt guess is correct and salvation is coming

[OkaPoka]

Oka, why'd you curb your enthusiasm

I like the pace of play so far so no need to go crazy

[OkaPoka]

It can be one reason i start upping my energy. Other reasons are, i feel like im onto something and want to increase the pressure, im bored af irl, i am in a 1v1, and biggest of all, i enjoy simul posting

[OkaPoka]

What’s the reason?

Lol u just reminded me that the scum pt was still private for the other game

Anyways i think if you picked up a red pm you'd be lurking a lot more, of course you couldn't after you alt slipped but pre alt slip id think you would be like ok let's just chill out because i hate everything

[OkaPoka]

And perhaps most sinful of all, i think alt slipping that early is slightly town indicative ok im going to hide after saying that

[OkaPoka]

Does this mean i get venged first

[OkaPoka]

FakeGod just not vibin

[OkaPoka]

The number of people solo can be is down to a small group

[OkaPoka]

Hypothermia, maybe im just delusional but there is hope on yuri

[OkaPoka]

Im sad why does my plan suck

[OkaPoka]

The biggest danger we face is the potential for scum to control multiple hoods and wreck us out of no where. Putting a bunch of LHF into a hood means we probably eliminate mostly from that hood and the number of people in the hood goes down quickly, resulting in a hood that is liable to be easily turned into a scum majority.

Furthermore, separating out all of the scummy people into one group makes it really hard for not scummy people to interact with and read them, so your utr vig is largely blindshooting. It also doesn’t address that your utr pool being infiltrated is extra dangerous given they are liable to be a point of contact with another thread with minimal oversight on what they say.

You are correct that we don’t want to have a sixth hood.

If the non utr hood starts killing we know there is a scum majority in that hood and we start smoking that hood out. First hood will be the unlikelies to make it to utrs, but reads change and i expect percolation into other hoods. Utr group should be around 5 large.

[OkaPoka]

General idea is that we have one utr group that controls the lims and all other hoods should not kill unless one hood breaks loose in which case every hood has permission to lay waste to the rebel group. The utr group is hopefully also in other hoods to communicate stuff. Also potentially let neighborhoods kill within

[OkaPoka]

Look i just want to do two things, avoid the existence of a 6th neighborhood and have one good neighborhood and so im just thinking how best to play around these two necessities. Mechanics is boring but its necessary unless we are so confident that we can just chain lim scum

[OkaPoka]

Lol yuri nvm its not menalque

[OkaPoka]

Bingle whats ur proposition/general idea?

[OkaPoka]

i think first shoots first, we dont want to have a 6th because a 6th neighborhood is guaranteed to be isolated from the rest of the game

[OkaPoka]

back to despair i have nobody to copy reads off of

[OkaPoka]

the mechanical talk will continue until people understand the very existence of a 6th neighborhood is bad

[OkaPoka]

legitimately there is one world where a 6th neighborhood is passable which is we all agree to a list that we will follow to eliminate straight down from

[OkaPoka]

u should care because nsg aims to design setups that if misplayed, have like an effective 30% wr for town

[OkaPoka]

solo is there a light at the end of the tunnel?

[OkaPoka]

oh jesus fuck me

[OkaPoka]

i do like a dannflor vote myself but im also getting very skeptical of yuri

[OkaPoka]

gamma why are you taking it so personal

[OkaPoka]

because yuri i tend to find that people who complain about mechanical talk ad nauseum to be >rand scum

[OkaPoka]

ehh fakegod voting you does not mean anything and can't mean anything other than he scumreads u (or at least wants to give that appearance off)

that's fair yuri, but i feel like your posts had the goal of squashing mech talk and if that's the case i don't see how that aligns with you trying to find someone you tr and is competent on mechtalk. i think someone with your stated goals would be more, ignoring mechtalk rather than saying stuff like imma vig the people who talk about it lulz

[OkaPoka]

or in other words i dont believe u

[OkaPoka]

apeshit

Who?????

the word apeshit in my ego posts

[OkaPoka]

ehh fakegod voting you does not mean anything and can't mean anything other than he scumreads u (or at least wants to give that appearance off)

that's fair yuri, but i feel like your posts had the goal of squashing mech talk and if that's the case i don't see how that aligns with you trying to find someone you tr and is competent on mechtalk. i think someone with your stated goals would be more, ignoring mechtalk rather than saying stuff like imma vig the people who talk about it lulz

but I refuse to believe he could have formed a reasoned and logical scumread off of that ONE POST
as such, it feels personal.

i dont know if you are legimately hurt over fakegod voting you and i dont know why im speaking for fakegod nor do i know if maybe we have different interpretations of what it means but something is not lining up in my head and i dont know if im nuts for thinking that you being hurt over fakegod feels a little overblown especially given the context

[OkaPoka]

yeah gamma being a little weird to me rn idk where to place it but it not normally and i struggle to sort it and do have doubts to anyone who can

[OkaPoka]

Dann?

[OkaPoka]

What you doing dann

[OkaPoka]

About to nap until you decided to say one thing and do another

[OkaPoka]

I will wait until you can elaborate

[OkaPoka]

or in other words i dont believe u

why do you think I lie about my emotions here
like, I'm pretty much one of the most honest people when it comes to laying my emotions out in terms of mafia games

that was directed more at yuri but i suppose it could be applied to you in the sense that i think your reaction to fakegod is a little too extreme, don't know what to make of that tho

[OkaPoka]

oh. i should probably read before posting

[OkaPoka]

look to be clear i feel like i enjoy scum a lot, in a different way yes, but i have fun with both alignments

i have been told by people who have successfully read me in the past that i have a different type of energy as town. ive been given a multitude of descriptors of this and because of the efficacy of these reads, i do think that there is some truth to it. i don't know the full extent of it because if i did the tell would be gone but ive been told and demonstrated that there is a something that exists in my town game that isn't all there in my scum game no matter how much i try to replicate it

[OkaPoka]

im sad that bingle things lowly of my mech suggestions but i do agree now that perhaps solo's readslist is a little strange

[OkaPoka]

bell/hypothermia/bingle/guilty = perhaps townie?
dann/solo/yuri/cupcake = perhaps scummy?

[OkaPoka]

what does utr mean to you?

[OkaPoka]

but doesnt Schrodinger tell us they can be both simultaneously town and scum until he is observed?

[OkaPoka]

THEY* (idk)

[OkaPoka]

meta reasons from my recollection of you that might have been slightly undermined recently but ehh

[OkaPoka]

my thoughts on mechanics are illformed because theoretically you'd have to simulate the game to really figure it out BUT

to avoid the 6th neighborhood and simulatenously negate the influence of a lot of the scummier slots, you'd want to throw them in the largest neighborhood possible because the scummiests slots by design are going to contain more scum so there is just less buffer. i feel like dispersing scummy players within each neighborhood makes the game much harder as well because it requires more effort during neighborhood eliminations to need to balance hitting scum and making sure each neighborhood is well groomed. a good neighborhood should come last i think to be arranged, i agree, but i think if we just let things play out naturally there might be a chance that we just are going to hit a crossroads where like say d3, there are like a decent chunk of scummy players in a neighborhood already and not in a neighborhood and then we have to come to terms with the idea that there are just going to be two designated bad neighborhoods rather than 1 we are going to purge from. basically what im trying to get at is doing work now will result in less work later i think and if we can't handle mech talk at the simplest stage then untangling to complicated web later when we have to make hard decisions is going to be much rougher because scum, well, can lie and there a lot of people who simply don't care about mechanics and i imagine that politics would be pretty bad if a lot of people simply did not put the effort in understanding policies i mean that'd be so silly right guys haha

of course my plan assumes that people's towniness and scumminess are relatively static. which i think is an accurate way of viewing nightless games but ymmv

[OkaPoka]

i dont think order matters too much because neighborhoods can simply be asked to no vote. and if they do vote esp strangely and outside some defined guidelines we just completely nuke the neighborhood

[OkaPoka]

okay i think if we play this like a normal game ish, we should go until like 3 days are left until deadline, and then pick the highest wagon to agree to lim and then deliberate whether we want to leash the votes on the highest wagon in which case ill start voting i guess

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: yuri gagarin

I think this is the best vote to be honest. Dann's not a bad vote either but I don't know how much I like the fact that two of the people im not too swell on are voting dann as well. I think Yuri shutting down mech talk but also claiming to want to sheep a townread on mech talk later is a bit contradictory in the sense that the latter I feel is more something you say to look townie and justify yourself afterwards and for whatever reason, shutting down mech talk and wanting to do so is something ive seen scum do so

[OkaPoka]

i lost myself in the train of thought but the specific reason why i think its contradictory is that someone who shuts down mech talk is not someone who claims to will sheep someone else's mech plan later i think. i think you just ignore mech talk in that case.

[OkaPoka]

dgb are you sheeping me because im townie, or you like what i said, or you have other reasons to think yuri is scum, or you just want to get the ball moving, or are you going to decline to comment because you have bigger brain reasons

[OkaPoka]

sorry to hear that fakegod : (

[OkaPoka]

i dont know if this will make you feel better but its just 1 out of 17 players

[OkaPoka]

You know how you get into a fight with a player and every time you return to thread, that's all you see?

yeah... unfortunately i do

[OkaPoka]

as someone who has kinda been in fakegod's shoes it can be very suffocating to be told that what you are doing its hurtful personally especially if its just you, playing the game you know

if i were fakegod, id feel very uncomfortable playing this game if someone told me that me scumreading them hurts them personally because i like to throw out my reads a lot and like if i cant do that, why am i playing
idk just dont take offense to people playing the game and saying things like "i think ur scum" and fakegod will become a free elf

[OkaPoka]

or the most positive mindset gamma is whenever someone scumreads you even if ur town what you think is wow, this person thinks highly of my scumgame

in fact it should be outrageous whenever townreads you for something silly because that means they think that lowly of your scumgame

[OkaPoka]

i am personally wounded by everyone who townreads me and thinks so lowly of my scumgame

[OkaPoka]

yeah i mean i read it as hyperbole and i can see why it'd be annoying if you read it as pure truth but i think FG's motive for saying that is never something like "i dont want to play with gamma lulz" (because if that were the case, he could've just /out the playerlist)

probably best to assume everyone's intention this game is related to their alignment, and assuming they are trying to advance their win condition by hopefully as town, eliminating people they think are scum and scum just trying to do whatever rather than anything personal

in fact because you signed up on your main it would be pretty impossible for anyone to have a personal issue with you so there is never a need to even go there

[OkaPoka]

and looking on it you were legit the first person to sign up so i really doubt anyone has a personal issue with you at all this game and you've played with like everyone so nobody is going to find out that they have a personal issue and so like no need to think about it

[OkaPoka]

alright bangle, we can kick the bucket to d2

[OkaPoka]

i wanted to respond to some stuff but i dont feel like it so im just going to say interesting posts dann and yuri, idk what to add because i feel like they are contradictory because there are more obvious alternatives imo in how you could have played it out

[OkaPoka]

dann didnt you get a bunch of reads right after u died in the tm large normal r2?

[OkaPoka]

i know both dann and yuri i think have unowen trs where did it come from because their posts are kinda washing over me

[OkaPoka]

hi dusa

are you voting yuri because of me or because of yuri

[OkaPoka]

hmm

i only ask because a lot of the times when i flesh out a readslist to fill in gaps i like to use other people's reads and a general consensus to solidify my own so i don't want to end up you know, following someone who is following me because that'd be just unlucky

but ill interpret that as you think the case is ok and at the very least my case is not insane

[OkaPoka]

Huh hi titus

[OkaPoka]

Well i think im going to reset my hypothermia/titus read LOL

[OkaPoka]

Hmm maybe not idk just not auto town ig

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: yuri gagarin

I think this is the best vote to be honest. Dann's not a bad vote either but I don't know how much I like the fact that two of the people im not too swell on are voting dann as well. I think Yuri shutting down mech talk but also claiming to want to sheep a townread on mech talk later is a bit contradictory in the sense that the latter I feel is more something you say to look townie and justify yourself afterwards and for whatever reason, shutting down mech talk and wanting to do so is something ive seen scum do so

i lost myself in the train of thought but the specific reason why i think its contradictory is that someone who shuts down mech talk is not someone who claims to will sheep someone else's mech plan later i think. i think you just ignore mech talk in that case.

My rationale for yuri

[OkaPoka]

The biggest danger we face is the potential for scum to control multiple hoods and wreck us out of no where. Putting a bunch of LHF into a hood means we probably eliminate mostly from that hood and the number of people in the hood goes down quickly, resulting in a hood that is liable to be easily turned into a scum majority.

Furthermore, separating out all of the scummy people into one group makes it really hard for not scummy people to interact with and read them, so your utr vig is largely blindshooting. It also doesn’t address that your utr pool being infiltrated is extra dangerous given they are liable to be a point of contact with another thread with minimal oversight on what they say.

You are correct that we don’t want to have a sixth hood.

gonna start here:

bingle, this sounds a lot like bullshit

how is one hood getting turned into scum maj likely to lead to scum controlling multiple hoods

like, scum gaining control of one hood is almost functionally equivalent to scum getting a NK but if presumably the plan on the hoods is going to be to have multiple channels of communication redundancy around so that one or two people don't have a monopoly on inter-hood communications, and if a scum-controlled hood started using their kill on strongly TR players it wouldn't be hard to work out which is was and to vig the shit out of that hood with the other ones

however, also, mechanics is fucking boring and it's beyond depressing that despite like a 2 day break off it's still being discussed

put me in a hood with other people who are down to vig everyone who's talking mechanics still

I don't think the 10% of my posts or whatever it is where I've complained about mechtalk qualifies as ad nauseum

but it is boring and makes the game unfun *shrug*

I think my approach to the mech stuff is going to be to find someone I solidly TR who seems competent on mechstuff and then back whatever they push for

[OkaPoka]

I mean id counter with multiple people claim they dislike mech talk but none of u were threatening to vig those who did and yuris choice of words is a lil suppressive to discussion imo

With that being said id imagine scum wants to be on leading wagons

[OkaPoka]

Uhh, yes? Ive agreed to table it today and fix it later because bingle explained that fixing neighborhoods is not too hard

[OkaPoka]

Because i think his arguing that he is going to sheep someone elses mech especially given the context of the plan not being fleshed out all is him editing himself

At the time mech was being discussed still because there was no agreed upon idea and yuri comes in and basically says shut up. Remember that me n bingle were arguing about mech because bingle thought my plan would lose us the game.

[OkaPoka]

weird readslist pinged a lot of people (me after bingle pointed it out) but he hasn't talked since so its kinda just in wait

[OkaPoka]

Spoiler: cw mechanics, dann clicky click here but nobody else need to click if u dont like

also just want to point one thing, slight thing with regards to mech dann

choosing to play d1 normally as possible is a mechanical decision because it will require correcting in the future, if you want to know why well you can read up. there is no world where we can escape mechanics. okay that's my spiel about mechanics. ive agreed with bingle at this point that we just play d1 normally and bother with other stuff later, probably d2-d3 to try and fix any glaring holes that might form. but we can ignore mech now but that's the benefit of having talked about mechanics is that we are on the same page.

[OkaPoka]

im going to try my hand at vca wrt to yuri wagon, hi titus

dgb unvote at the time it happened (when guilty voted) probably means dgb/yuri maybe aligned? at least if yuri is town, dgb town stonks go way up while yuri is scum, dgb scum stonks go slightly up.

guilty/unowen/dusa all have slight +scum equity i suppose for blind sheeping me in a way and scum probably want to be on lead wagons regardless of yuri's alignment. however its unlikely that all three r scum. 1 or 2 probs yeah? rule of three maybe?

bell unknown because he was first vote and is not really related to this.

[OkaPoka]

add titus to the guilty/unowen/dusa i think because i think titus would understand how the setup works

i don't think yuri's alignment really changes after being wagoned, scum probably just want to be on a leading wagon and i think someone like yuri wouldn't say in scum pt, don't wagon me u lil shits

[OkaPoka]

yeah i mean i dont think im going to vote any of u 4 rn its just me noting down things

[OkaPoka]

A50 poggers, yo imma sheep you

[OkaPoka]

Blind sheep less important than just being on wagon i think? It's nothing now just maybe after a few flips its something worth considering/revisiting

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: yuri gagarin

I think this is the best vote to be honest. Dann's not a bad vote either but I don't know how much I like the fact that two of the people im not too swell on are voting dann as well. I think Yuri shutting down mech talk but also claiming to want to sheep a townread on mech talk later is a bit contradictory in the sense that the latter I feel is more something you say to look townie and justify yourself afterwards and for whatever reason, shutting down mech talk and wanting to do so is something ive seen scum do so

i lost myself in the train of thought but the specific reason why i think its contradictory is that someone who shuts down mech talk is not someone who claims to will sheep someone else's mech plan later i think. i think you just ignore mech talk in that case.

My rationale for yuri

The biggest danger we face is the potential for scum to control multiple hoods and wreck us out of no where. Putting a bunch of LHF into a hood means we probably eliminate mostly from that hood and the number of people in the hood goes down quickly, resulting in a hood that is liable to be easily turned into a scum majority.

Furthermore, separating out all of the scummy people into one group makes it really hard for not scummy people to interact with and read them, so your utr vig is largely blindshooting. It also doesn’t address that your utr pool being infiltrated is extra dangerous given they are liable to be a point of contact with another thread with minimal oversight on what they say.

You are correct that we don’t want to have a sixth hood.

gonna start here:

bingle, this sounds a lot like bullshit

how is one hood getting turned into scum maj likely to lead to scum controlling multiple hoods

like, scum gaining control of one hood is almost functionally equivalent to scum getting a NK but if presumably the plan on the hoods is going to be to have multiple channels of communication redundancy around so that one or two people don't have a monopoly on inter-hood communications, and if a scum-controlled hood started using their kill on strongly TR players it wouldn't be hard to work out which is was and to vig the shit out of that hood with the other ones

however, also, mechanics is fucking boring and it's beyond depressing that despite like a 2 day break off it's still being discussed

put me in a hood with other people who are down to vig everyone who's talking mechanics still

I don't think the 10% of my posts or whatever it is where I've complained about mechtalk qualifies as ad nauseum

but it is boring and makes the game unfun *shrug*

I think my approach to the mech stuff is going to be to find someone I solidly TR who seems competent on mechstuff and then back whatever they push for

A50 read just this please

[OkaPoka]

Does anyone here play hades? Like is dusa openly trying to be liked an invention of the player or continued roleplay of the character

[OkaPoka]

bell scum finds excuses not to play is the best way to describe it, usually happens as the game starts heating up he starts cooling down and being like ahh guys sorry im really just not feeling it

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cupcake's stances are too boring and too much i liek u, aww u c-yutie!

[OkaPoka]

could be this game, ive experienced too many games where someone "bad" at scum decides to play not bad and win but i hope to be dead already so i dont have to consider that

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cupcake's stances are too boring and too much i liek u, aww u c-yutie!

i'm actually not sure i'm seeing that from their posts, just their avatar

cupcake has no scumreads

[OkaPoka]

have u ever been paranoid of me dann?

[OkaPoka]

Wait that was the first game we've played

[OkaPoka]

wut

[OkaPoka]

hi yuri, happy to see u back

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VOTE: yuri gagarin

I think this is the best vote to be honest. Dann's not a bad vote either but I don't know how much I like the fact that two of the people im not too swell on are voting dann as well. I think Yuri shutting down mech talk but also claiming to want to sheep a townread on mech talk later is a bit contradictory in the sense that the latter I feel is more something you say to look townie and justify yourself afterwards and for whatever reason, shutting down mech talk and wanting to do so is something ive seen scum do so

i lost myself in the train of thought but the specific reason why i think its contradictory is that someone who shuts down mech talk is not someone who claims to will sheep someone else's mech plan later i think. i think you just ignore mech talk in that case.

My rationale for yuri

The biggest danger we face is the potential for scum to control multiple hoods and wreck us out of no where. Putting a bunch of LHF into a hood means we probably eliminate mostly from that hood and the number of people in the hood goes down quickly, resulting in a hood that is liable to be easily turned into a scum majority.

Furthermore, separating out all of the scummy people into one group makes it really hard for not scummy people to interact with and read them, so your utr vig is largely blindshooting. It also doesn’t address that your utr pool being infiltrated is extra dangerous given they are liable to be a point of contact with another thread with minimal oversight on what they say.

You are correct that we don’t want to have a sixth hood.

gonna start here:

bingle, this sounds a lot like bullshit

how is one hood getting turned into scum maj likely to lead to scum controlling multiple hoods

like, scum gaining control of one hood is almost functionally equivalent to scum getting a NK but if presumably the plan on the hoods is going to be to have multiple channels of communication redundancy around so that one or two people don't have a monopoly on inter-hood communications, and if a scum-controlled hood started using their kill on strongly TR players it wouldn't be hard to work out which is was and to vig the shit out of that hood with the other ones

however, also, mechanics is fucking boring and it's beyond depressing that despite like a 2 day break off it's still being discussed

put me in a hood with other people who are down to vig everyone who's talking mechanics still

I don't think the 10% of my posts or whatever it is where I've complained about mechtalk qualifies as ad nauseum

but it is boring and makes the game unfun *shrug*

I think my approach to the mech stuff is going to be to find someone I solidly TR who seems competent on mechstuff and then back whatever they push for

A50 read just this please

[OkaPoka]

Yeah my tr on guilty has evaporated

[OkaPoka]

I'm interested in how this gimmick plays out tbh

[OkaPoka]

I guess my two questions are firstly (1) why do you think it's contradictory for me to both want to shut down mechtalk and to say that I want to sheep a townread on it later? like I feel like your reason in 758 is ascribing thoughts to me that I just don't have and idk why you're doing that as opposed to the opposite. talking specifically about the "something you say to look townie"... like no, that's just where my head was at. and secondly regarding that same post is that while I suppose I get you seeing me not wanting mechtalk and going "yeah this is something I've seen scum do before" but it seems like a flawed basis for a read given that yes, I'd be saying that if I were scum, but I'm saying it now as town because I just have an intense apathy towards mechtalk

the other thing is that I don't really see how (2) the fact I'm being contradictory to your eyes leads you to me being scum? like fine, maybe it is hypocritical for me to take that position (still don't think it is, but let's say I can't sell you on that) -- I don't get from like 759 why this leads you into thinking I'm scum?

I think ive answered the first q already

Second q, i think you decided to be more open to mech afterwards rather than coming into it being open to mech

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Hypocritical not bc two ideas really but bc i think you decided to purposely alter your beliefs to be more defensible

[OkaPoka]

And its not a case of changing ur mind i think that is contextually clear

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ig how id picture scum you:

"I need to take a stance, let's just say i hate mech and im going to make a quick comment about vigging these nerds so I can put myself out there and maybe get townread for my boldness"
"ah wait, just being antimech is not a ground i want to fight on, maybe ill just be anti talking about mech so im a lil more nuanced and such"

if you were town
"i don't like talking about mech i will shoot you if you talk about mech"
"but also ill sheep someone on mech that i townread"

i feel like its harder for me to justify the second world

[OkaPoka]

w that being said you should move on im interested in what else you have and my case is not a bulletproof case but i think its better than everything that exists rn and im not tilted enough yet to just want to lim lhf

[OkaPoka]

dann but i thought i townspewed D:

[OkaPoka]

is it bad that the person who is popping up in my head as cupcake is a banned user

[OkaPoka]

im like ok with yuri/cupcake/guiltylion wagons

not apathetic but also i just want to observe because all outcomes are ok for me

[OkaPoka]

dann but i thought i townspewed D:

I wound up thinking you were slightly +town for that interaction, but the thing that sticks in mind is that you're just being so passive. Like the only thing you've really done this game that I remember is pushing Yuri, and it's a push I'm not the biggest fan of. I know you just said you're content to be passive because all outcomes are good for you, but that passivity is not something I super associate with town you. Even if you were content to watch where things go I'd kind of expect you to be... poking at something? meming? idk

Can I ask if you still scum read me and if so why?

Did you think i was passive as scum in the other games?

Im probably null on you this game. I like what you are saying and voting now

[OkaPoka]

We need the nonvoters to vote this is getting spicy

[OkaPoka]

vote

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i am firmly null on gamma and therefore am saddened to see him be a wagon over cupcake, yuri, guilty

with that being said i think guilty is most likely scum at this point. i do not like seeing that he is joining wagons with momentum while being somewhat low activity and struggling to keep up.

[OkaPoka]

temporary alliance with yuri ?? ?

VOTE: guiltylion

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dann what was with the sharp s tier to vote tier on gamma

[OkaPoka]

i dont like any vote onto a wagon with momentum from someone who is self-proclaiming that they are struggling to keep up

[OkaPoka]

anyways guilty i know you have a tendency to fall behind as scum so uhh xd!

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and at the end of the day im not going to stop a gamma wagon from happening, he's not a bad vote, i don't really particularly swing either way with him, i think there are better wagons but we have 5 lims and im okay with the gamma wagon growing in fact if you want gamma dead you should thank me for leaving yuri and voting guilty

[OkaPoka]

what are you saying?

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are you asking me why im willing to work together with a scumread to lim a bigger scumread?

[OkaPoka]

are you asking me why im willing to work together with a scumread to lim a bigger scumread?

yea

this doesn't make any sense to me

what about it doesn't make sense

[OkaPoka]

maybe not struggling to keep up, but lagging behind the pack

[OkaPoka]

where did gamma obvscum

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hmm

actually

maybe this is fine because i feel like the world of guilty!scum has just tmi'd gamma anyways here
VOTE: gamma

[OkaPoka]

and if he's town id trust his confidence over my indifference

[OkaPoka]

i dont think it means much because 1) its gamma and this is how he is both alignments and 2) voting cupcake imo is fine but if you are town, maybe you see something i don't and if you are scum, you probably see a lot more that i don't

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Just to make sure I'm understanding, is this "if you're scum you TMId Gamma / see something I don't" meant to suggest I'm bussing? You're not saying you think you're voting town here right

Sure

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Its not a good idea for gamma to self vote because the first neighborhood should theoretically eliminate nobody

[OkaPoka]

I think guilty should die soon so i dont think guilty should be here either

[OkaPoka]

Other than that idc because no trust

[OkaPoka]

If you know you know

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My motivation isnt to cw or anything like that

I just want to advance my wincon.

[OkaPoka]

Its eddie cane!

[OkaPoka]

!!!

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i hope to find out who you are yuri, even though i might scumread you i like you a lot

[OkaPoka]

guilty why would i want to lim you as scum i like playing with you

[OkaPoka]

im hoping to understand why ur reads r so flimsy dann, either there is a vocabularic misunderstanding or something else

[OkaPoka]

uhhhh that's e1

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dont be silly guilty, with a setup like this id try and lim you in the neighborhoods if i were scared

[OkaPoka]

I'm not feeling Savethedragons as scum so much anymore.

But also, am I crazy or did OkaPoka and Gamma Emerald both not just totally townspew all over the place? I will pre-face that I do think Gamma Emerald wears his emotions on his sleeve as both alignments, but in general as scum, the breadth and depth of your emotion is going to be a little stunted. That is, the internal thought processes of town are usually a lot more complex, and I feel like I'm seeing that re: Gamma's navigation of his fight with FakeGod. Specifically, #778 contains a sort of earnestness about the thought processes that lead to his emotional outbursts that feels genuine. It's a human moment with Oka that reveals his inner thought processes in a natural way instead of a scummy "here's what I'm thinking so I can manipulate you into thinking I'm town" way. That post in particular sticks out to me but I also already town read Gamma.

Now, I might be reading into OkaPoka's general good disposition and the fact that he is a good person and attributing that to towniness, but I don't think that's all there is to it. I also recognize that inserting oneself into a "town mediator" role is a great way to earn town cred, but I still think Oka jumping in when he did there is like, slight towny points? There's other reasons I'm starting to come around to Oka too. I like that he hasn't dropped the mechanics (or didn't for a while). I was against the talk at first because it makes a very easy environment for scum to come and say nice sounding stuff, but Oka's been consistently spouting his own views to go along with that so like... I'm not mad. I don't want to not have a strategy going into this setup. I find his continued suspicion not very weird because Oka usually doesn't town read me anyway. I guess I still don't have a strong town read here but I'm starting to understand his process this game better. I definitely don't think he's town because he's been "enthusiastic," if anything his despair is more towny than not.

Speaking of which, I had a moment earlier today where I was paranoiaing Bingle scum. I've talked myself out of it by now but I'm still kind of mystified by him this game. One thing that's kind of stood out to me is that he's doing a lot of "don't town read X," which is all well and good, but a lot of it seems kind of perfunctory. Like, duh people shouldn't town read Oka because he's enthusiastic, but is Oka even particularly enthusiastic this game? Honestly, he seems kind of subdued and I'm not the only one who has noticed that. Idk some of the things Bingle has been harping on just seem a little surface level. @Bingle maybe you can help me out here by talking a little bit more about any thoughts you do have on Oka? Or even me for that matter? I don't understand why you're trusting me as town for now or whatever

sure but this exists and i mean this does not seem like a feeling you would just drop unless you lied to me about your feelings

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then ur tier list made no sense i mean something has to give here dann and you aren't the type of person with lolreads you aren't me dann, you are supposed to be the stable one in this dynamic!

[OkaPoka]

possibly true that i just dont care about gamma's rxn when i maybe should

[OkaPoka]

have u figured out dusa's main

[OkaPoka]

time to make a post that will be mocked endgame

what r the odds

gamma/guilty/dann/yuri/???

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??? <- somebody who has been replaced or is actively lurking