Dogs Vs. Cats Mafia | Endgame

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2 dog flips. Dogs didn't shoot themselves

Redirector also explains that. Also you have to explain why they use their 1 kill here and why they target 1 of the 2.

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Redirector would be an alien sounding role.

Wouldn't they redirect towards you?

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not dogs

How do we know this?

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What if they weren't trying to redirect a kill?

I feel like we are getting into more and more complicated theories to try to explain Titus and it feels far fetched to me still

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I feel incredibly bad after seeing Anda's flip reveal

There's a chance that you outing led to that 2nd dog death so don't feel too bad

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Is norwee incapable of bussing?.. I mean I don't remember d1 that clearly by now for whether something about his play super clearly made it nonbus but in a vacuum is generally weigh level zero associatives less heavily than beeboy matching his scum meta precisely

VOTE: Toadette

I don't like the Titus push at all so I'm gunna park here for a bit

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Why don't you like the Titus push, MC? I can't think of anything that makes sense for town!Titus right now

Statistically there are fewer worlds where Titus is scum as Titus is now confirmed not dog. I don't like that Isis seemed to continue the push without evaluating that information at all the way, Cake, Pooky, and myself did. I'm far from clearing Titus, but it feels like there is an agenda to push Titus beyond evidence that she is scum.

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1 non explained kill that could be sk
N1 is missing a dog (or sk) kill
N2 is missing a dog kill

I don't understand why we are confident there is a 3rd kill somewhere and not a redirect

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Redirects are less likely probabilistically, you have to multiply the 1/gamesize chance with the accuracy in hitting scum, 3/gamesize. Or 2, however many scums were alive. For overlapping kills, you only must apply the 1/gamesize coincidence

Well the dog kill was face up, so that makes it slightly more likely. Also whatever, I'll just say the thing that I was thinking earlier, I think Pooky is responsible for the kill on dwlee either through redirection or 3p.

How do you reconcile thinking 3p is more likely and thinking Titus claim is not true?

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It was redacted?

I think it is possible, but probably not worth hanging a hat on.

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What part?

The possibility of traitor when assessing partner tells

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Maybe I'm wrong but there is 0 evidence of anything alien and it just doesn't make sense. I'm also not liking the way Isis is pushing. UNVOTE: for now

Yeah I mean I still think there is weirdness related to Titus and that she is probably a fine flip for today. But like, I want to do due diligence and show partner relationships make her being a cat likely because when I wanted to flip her it was because she seemed like a dog.

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It was redacted?

i feel like if we start assuming partial reveal then there will only be madness the farther we search.

We haven't gotten any role info though from scum flips unless I am not remembering something. So if you view traitor as a role it is reasonable.

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I guess we could kill pooky maybe pooky will flip alien

This is possible

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I guess maybe it's bad to flip Titus cause of the unlikely event we flip all of the cats and she becomes IC? Lol

1 alien flip is more likely

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What part?

The possibility of traitor when assessing partner tells

I meant that's where the Dog kill went

Ah I see. It seems less likely than other options but it's worth coming back to as a possibility late game

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? what like 7 different people are on Titus

I think Raya and I are on the same page, it's the manner in which it happened

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I will be much more on board with Titus push if someone shows she is partners with norwee.

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you don't think it's possible his reluctance to vote titus has to do with them being aligned?

I want discussion about specifics, rather than the more nebulous discussion of how scummy Titus is without evidence.

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Don't eliminate Titus with a townflip on me. I don't think they are scum here.

This one in particular is weird, norwee probably knew he was likely to go though so it's probably all wifom?

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I probably won't get to posting again until tomorrow morning, sorry

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I could EASILY see this being a partner.

thank you for this

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pooky unvoted hoping to start a trend but it didn't really work out for him

I could see pooky hard bussing beeboy

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i feel like my murdercat TR needs better reasoning, but there was some reason cat's definitely not one of the scumteams, can someone refresh my memory?

D1 wagon dynamics with norwee

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ROFL DWLEE WAS TRYING TO GNAW MY LEG OFF ALL DAY ARE YOU SERIOUS

yeah dwlee and pooky are anti aligned

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VOTE: pooky

Can Titus and Pooky both be anti aligned scum with Pooky now forming a CW to Titus? I guess not because they are both not dogs?

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There may be interactions in the past I'm not aware of

Titus flip would be informative due to D1 wagons

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you really think shea would lolput in alien cop?

there's millers so yeah could happen

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Fen said pretty much all I've been thinking about Pooky. Like, this sort of effort doesn't feel towny to me. Enough so that,

VOTE: Pooky

woah

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WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT I NEVER BUS IN MY LIFE YOU GIANT TROLL

you did though in TM

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I can't tell if I'm conf biased or if I'm noticing actual tells (Pooky did the exact same "I don't bus" thing in TM), but I think a Pooky claim is ok for today and then I can assess from there

VOTE: Pooky

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Also Pooky scum claimed by not responding to 3029

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r u serious

that was a mechguilty

I was referring to Zaiden, but you didn't actually push as hard as I remember. Also I couldn't find you saying you don't bus which I was 99% sure was from TM but maybe you said that in a different game? I'll have to read more closely later.

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Go on?

Titus, me and Norwee were the main D1 wagons. It's hard to assess how people were voting without Titus's alignment being known, given it is multiball.

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VOTE: Farkran

I don't like these votes, sort Fark in mass claim

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I am a DOG DOCTOR.

ok so then 3p kill confirmed?

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I am rikki tikki tavi

There's something I haven't thought about for a long time

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It does seem like a doctor, but I don't understand why it would only protect against dogs.

Can you think of a better flavor character?

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I think Pooky is 3p and shot dwlee

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missing kill n1 is consistent with aliens, curious what Titus voters make of that

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Which are more likely than alien at the moment?

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Fark claimed dog doc and protected Nero and kdowns. So we are missing a kill. It fits with aliens (because no N1 kill), imo but some people want to kill Titus still I guess. I think Pooky is 3p and killed dwlee.

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I think dog doctor could be cat aligned, but I believe the claim

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I would believe unclaimed protectives before I beleive aliens

so a different protective hit n1?

I mean I'm not sold on Titus town still but it seems like we are confirmed to be in 3p world. I guess Titus could just be sk, does it make sense for titus to target dwlee or fb?

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Wants it more

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Did you flavor claim kdowns? You don't have to if you didn't but I feel like you did already

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I’m The Brain from Pinky and the Brain

Right ok I just went and found it.

I don't think this is any more believable than rikki tikki tavi based on flavor alone.

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Not really, I just think it's hard to find animal cartoon characters that match mafia roles well.

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Odie flavor wise doesn’t make sense for a mafia character other than it’s a dog

Yeah but that's the basis of the mafia teams lol

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Happy cake day Raya!

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i mean
if I were a dog I'd leave Fark alive for WIFOM

Then kdowns gets to keep copping every night

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Fark has claimed to be a snake, and a flavoured a story where the snakes are the baddies and claimed to be the mongoose instead.

It's weird.

This is a weird misrep.
A more accurate representation is that Fark thought their character (which they knew the name of) was the snake in their picture and not the mongoose.
What scum fails to fact check their fake claim?

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agreed

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Feeling a little sus of Flea to be honest, I feel like I should know fae is town by now.

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It's weird it's even a discussion really

I think we should get pooky to claim and pick one to yeet, the game is stalling a bit

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pookythemagicalbear [ 5 ] xofelf, farkran, murdercat, titus, kdowns

Titus is right, there is a very good chance this is an all town wagon at the moment.

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Murdercat: "Pooky is a serial killer"

I'm voting for you out of spite for not responding to a heartfelt message

Actually I just want you to claim

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The makeup of the Titus wagon still gives me the heebie jeebies

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anya, brave heart lion, flow trap, flea the magician, save the dragons, raya36, toadette

honestly there is no one I am confident is town on in this list

I've expressed doubt already about flow, toadette, and flea, though I do feel better about flow and toadette recently.

Anya I do think is town for defending me, but fb did that too I guess.

My gut says lion is town too, but I don't really have evidence for it.

Fen and raya feel kinda towny to me as well, but again, there's nothing I can point to directly to back that up. Unless Fen claimed something, I don't remember if that actually happened, but maybe it did.

Is there anyone you are sure is town in that list Pooky?

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In the collective, I doubt they are all town. That doesn't mean Titus isn't scum but that's what I am expressing.

Flea is probably who I am most worried about

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In the collective, I doubt they are all town.

Over a third of the game is on them there is almost definitely

at least

3 scum, so I'd say it's basic probability that there is one scum on them

This is a fair point

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Pooky why do you think Fark is more likely scum than Titus?

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You could just be sk though

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Really hope this flips scum

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give reads

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GGs fun game Shea