Final Fantasy XIV - A Realm Reborn Mafia (Game Over)

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Join Raid

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+Town points to Mom for joining raid first.

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Mastina's town.

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VOTE: Sakura Hana

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Using it gives us benefits to our abilities that I personally would like.

Not using it gives us a pool of 8 (if it fails) to use as a broad cop check and if scum doesn’t sabotage it we have the ability for later.

Two feels like it gives better results but I selfishly want the first choice.

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Mom, Bell, Mastina

Mirio, Mandlebrot

Sakura, Dwlee

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Care to compare?

I assume you’re being intentionally cagy but offer’s here to chat.

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I’ll try to quote reply more when I’m at my laptop.

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It’s one post but I wanted to include everyone. Null/neutral.

Sakura felt awkward by copying the way I inned to the raid. Like scum trying to parrot how someone joined it. Dwlee the same but the gif after felt a bit less robotic

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Oh. Similar avatar to Mom.

Unsure but it felt just:.. “Oh; I should join this trend!” And she went for the latest one. Also that she had already posted so she saw this forming and not just her joining the thread for the first time and copied blindly.

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Thanks for verifying.

Sakura, would you have joined if you did see it, prior, or still have asked?

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How does it give the pool of eight if it succeeds?

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Say no to make people seem scummy, deny additional town power in those shots, etc. But if it succeeds it’s only speculation that scum was on it.

Mafiascum RPG has echoes of this game, I think it was ran a few months ago.

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Say no to make people seem scummy, deny additional town power in those shots, etc. But if it succeeds it’s only speculation that scum was on it.

Mafiascum RPG has echoes of this game, I think it was ran a few months ago.

are we not speculating on who scum could be day 1 anyways?

-R

Weird question.

VOTE: RealCheeks

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And?

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And I’m saying that I don’t put a lot of stock into that speculation when this entire conversation is an alarm to scum that if they’re not on maybe they can make everyone turn on each other under dumb assumptions.

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If Mastina is scum, by virtue of her roleclaim she has to be on every single raid; and, then, as scum neither she nor any of her scumteam would be allowed to fail a raid without revealing her as fake. I don't think that a scumteam does all of that to ingratiate her to town so she's probably just town. /shrug

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I'm waiting on Nancy to post before I make any judgment on Qrow+Raven.

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I am inside of Mastina's pocket so hard right now holy cow

This feels weird for not having interacted with her. ._.

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Cheeks is probably a better vote.

One head using weird rhetorical/loaded questions and snark as deflection and the other saying she's going to sit back but is still popping in for non-content.

Feels obvious.

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Cheeks is probably a better vote.

One head using weird rhetorical/loaded questions and snark as deflection and the other saying she's going to sit back but is still popping in for non-content.

Feels obvious.

Tell me more about how personality = scum

-R

And what part of that has to do with what I said?

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Mirio gets a townread for stealing my thoughts.

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Cheeks is probably a better vote.

One head using weird rhetorical/loaded questions and snark as deflection and the other saying she's going to sit back but is still popping in for non-content.

Feels obvious.

Tell me more about how personality = scum

-R

And what part of that has to do with what I said?

The part where that's directly why you scumread my slot?

Are we going to do this weird back and forth all day 1?

I don't think that my reasons are personality ones, honestly.

And I will scumread you until you do something towny.

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She is popping off, townreads me, and I feel like I you don't want me to townread her

The issue is that you said town was finding town implying that you had made some effort to identify her but you hadn't said anything about her thus far. We can't read your mind and it's strange without context.

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If Mastina is scum, by virtue of her roleclaim she has to be on every single raid;

Why?

...so I was thinking that this 1 recharge thing would go on for every raid and was like 'duh she has to be on to recharge' but I am a fool so nevermind!

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Mirio gets a townread for stealing my thoughts.

VOTE: Romance
I refuse to elaborate

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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She is popping off, townreads me, and I feel like I you don't want me to townread her

The issue is that you said town was finding town implying that you had made some effort to identify her but you hadn't said anything about her thus far. We can't read your mind and it's strange without context.

It's weird to state things without immediately offering explanations?

It's weird to make a comment like 'town is finding town' without showing your work, yes, because it implies you have put in an amount of effort to do so (i.e. towny because ton have to try to find town, and scum don't).

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She is popping off, townreads me, and I feel like I you don't want me to townread her

The issue is that you said town was finding town implying that you had made some effort to identify her but you hadn't said anything about her thus far. We can't read your mind and it's strange without context.

It's weird to state things without immediately offering explanations?

It's weird to make a comment like 'town is finding town' without showing your work, yes, because it implies you have put in an amount of effort to do so (i.e. towny because ton have to try to find town, and scum don't).

I have read her posts. What more effort are you expecting?

A comment explaining like 'hey, I like this'? Anything to gauge your thoughts early on?

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Romance you can get a townread if you say the specific reason I am scumreading you right now

I'm not a mind reader so no clue! I feel firmly in my towngame already.

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Didn't you quote the post I said that implied what post I liked or was that someone else

...the only post that you referenced regarding her was the one townreading her which isn't a reflection of your thoughts on her beyond 'cool, TR'. And even then it wasn't stated in a way that tells your thoughts. Saying you're cozy in someone's pocket means you are aware to some degree that it could be use to placate.

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Didn't you quote the post I said that implied what post I liked or was that someone else

...the only post that you referenced regarding her was the one townreading her which isn't a reflection of your thoughts on her beyond 'cool, TR'. And even then it wasn't stated in a way that tells your thoughts. Saying you're cozy in someone's pocket means you are aware to some degree that it could be use to placate.

Okay but you at least know which post I townread her for? Also you should at least try to guess why I'm scumreading you

I don't think that post signals you're townreading her but shrug, sure, whatever.

And 1) I hate guessing games, 2) I don't think I've done anything scummy so no.

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And 1) I hate guessing games, 2) I don't think I've done anything scummy so no.

Why not

I refuse to elaborate.

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And 1) I hate guessing games, 2) I don't think I've done anything scummy so no.

Why not

I refuse to elaborate.

It's cause I have a day cop guilty on you sorry

Ah, of course, completely understandable. I'm glad we've come to an understanding on your read, thank you for explaining to me.

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Dwlee's a mason, pack it up folks.

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Yup. Totally. Totally Kyo.

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We are all suffering alts.

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Go back to your old account and say that to my face. >:(

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The Bell Tell.

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Mom, Bell, Mastina

Mirio, Mandlebrot

Sakura, Dwlee

Wat

- House

Which part of this was wat-worthy?

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Mom, Bell, Mastina

Mirio, Mandlebrot

Sakura, Dwlee

Wat

- House

Which part of this was wat-worthy?

Bothering to mention us & Mirio when we are (apparently) null to you.

For a full reads list, it makes sense... but if we'd said nothing noteworthy and you're talking about players you have some level of a read on, why bother including 2 nulls?

- House

Did you read the post that came like five after or whatever where I said I wanted to include everyone who posted?

A lack of read is a read anyways, room to go one way or another and hadn't seen anything worthwhile in the 1 post you had at the time. I think it was 1.

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Mom, Bell, Mastina

Mirio, Mandlebrot

Sakura, Dwlee

Wat

- House

Which part of this was wat-worthy?

Bothering to mention us & Mirio when we are (apparently) null to you.

For a full reads list, it makes sense... but if we'd said nothing noteworthy and you're talking about players you have some level of a read on, why bother including 2 nulls?

- House

Did you read the post that came like five after or whatever where I said I wanted to include everyone who posted?

A lack of read is a read anyways, room to go one way or another and hadn't seen anything worthwhile in the 1 post you had at the time. I think it was 1.

Yeah. I read it.

Don't really care.

Still don't like it.

- House

Sounds like a you problem then.

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@Bell I think 'gut read' is a lot more relatable than trying to shoehorn into an archetype tbh if it's not working. I don't think it does but I also had the same little pings, so /shrug.

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Me either. I get it.

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Punished for alt crimes.

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@Mirio I don’t care if you’re scum would you like to be thread neighbors today.

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...?

I just find Nancy a lot more readable when she starts posting.

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Hope she’s well all the same.

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It’s not really pressure as in she has to post, for me. Just that when she does I’ll give a better opinion.

If she isn’t around though I’ll suck it up and try to read you.

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I’m as a subtle as a train wreck regarding my identity.

I’ll consider Cheeky again but I still don’t think my read on them was really personality based.

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I’m as a subtle as a train wreck regarding my identity.

I’ll consider Cheeky again but I still don’t think my read on them was really personality based.

Have we played on your main?
~C

I don’t think I have with your main, no.

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VOTE: SirCakez

Sure.

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I think Sakura’s town atm. Feels genuine whenever she posts in the weird towny way that just clicks.

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I have a few hidden alts actually. ^_~

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I think Mirio had just voted or talked about Bell and the rhyme made me giggle so I posted it.

Also I do think it could still be valid if he fails to keep up with decent content as the game progresses.

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I’m not allowed to type properly on Ydrasse for fear of ruining my brand so I have to play on alts and that allows me to unlock more of my brainpower to solve.

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Perhaps unfairly I have a standard I set for Bell to reach and if he can’t I’ll kill him, simple as that.

So Bell if you read this do something or spew some thoughts for me.

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For me it’s just Me, when I alt. Except for a few cases.

It’s also soothing to identity issues to be someone else, even for a little bit.

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Same hat!

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Okay break over back to work.

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The Titus wagon's a little dumb while she's functionally AFK.

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Spoiler: ALT CITY

Sorry, I saw your message at work and then just remembered seeing you're online.

I don't know who to vote. SirCakez is fine, really; his iso is unimpressive even in his absence but also it feels a bit pointless too... I'm back and forth right now on RCE+Cheeks. I don't know where else to look really? Elsa? STD? I like tictac, just throwing out their thoughts whenever. The hydras are... fine right now. I'm a big shrug emoji. Qrow is also probably /fine/ as a vote but eh. Cakez/Qrow/someone who hasn't posted a whole lot here.

I think that you're probably town for now, Sakura is town, ahh... Dwlee maybe, enough to not poke there for now. RCE+Cheeks are currently leaning town for me in their back and forth. Mandlebrot is eh to me but people townread them so I'm probably just not getting it. I'm unsure on MOm but I have no idea how Mom's head works despite previous experience. This is from memory so everyone else is like okay cool whatever.

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Well, what's scummy specifically about Titus? I don't see it compared to Cakez.

If it's a wagon to kill shrug, I guess. Was assuming it was a "do something" wagon.

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The Titus wagon's a little dumb while she's functionally AFK.

Spoiler: alt hideout

I didn’t anticipate three other votes joining in quick succession. I agree that it does not all seem legit.

Titus hit the nail on the head. Her presence but lack of content was concerning, however I neglected to account for Titusmeet.

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Mastina, sakura, Elsa, yourself, tic-tac I won’t be voting presently.

Bell is slightly above null, but will not move much higher without more out of him.

This is a rattled off list. Won’t be available for in-depth for a few days.

Spoiler:

I don't know what to look for in Elsa, honestly.

Also I was overgenerous with Bell early-game I think, and maybe I am setting this bar too high where I expect him to bleed town for me to townread him but I'm not... feeling his posting.

Understandable.

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Eh.

I was reading over them earlier and felt fairly harsh towards Cakez's 88 (thought it was faking excitement like town would or something) and 400 for scum being outpaced but the latter is unfair. IDK.

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Nothing is a tempting vote. >_>

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What a boring way of sorting someone, leaving no room for growth.

I feel so out of step with everyone in this game it makes me not want to interact much.

Wrong alt.

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...this game so far has literally all the hallmarks of my towngame so far and certainly I don't start whining already as scum about people not trusting in me.

Zzz.

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If you want me to talk about anything in particular you're going to have to ask.

I've already said I feel like my thoughts aren't falling in line with how everyone else is approaching this and it's not a fun experience at the moment, so. Whatever is important I guess throw at me.

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If you want me to talk about anything in particular you're going to have to ask.

I've already said I feel like my thoughts aren't falling in line with how everyone else is approaching this and it's not a fun experience at the moment, so. Whatever is important I guess throw at me.

Your dissonance is part of what's triggering me, tbh.

Plus, there's a wagon cropping up on you out of thin air, and you're not poking any of the 3 votes that fired off within minutes, all without explicit justification.

It's a bit early in the game for town to be this demoralized.

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I mean. Dunno. Maybe I'm more sensitive to it but when I put out my genuine thoughts and people go "nah don't like these it's scummy" I am very prone to shutting down and getting too frustrated to really continue on for a while and/or throw a fit because people aren't townreading me when ~I~ feel like I'm doing towny things. I've been trying not to do the throwing a fit part lately but it's just frustrating. Maybe it's because on my main account people are very quick to townread me and I just end up wondering how much of that is a personality/vibe thing, and if I'm stuck having to play like that forever when it's tiresome. Rant over, sorry.

I feel like my wagon is just like... "Yeah sure, okay." There's not a lot to poke. I feel like it's for pressure and I can't discern who's doing it as town and scum right now. The worst offender is probably Qrow who's not on it IIRC but sort of floated a thought about being paranoid about me earlier and is like "Yep I sanction this... buuuuut I'm gonna let the other head drive things for a while", which is stepping back from the responsibility of it all. Shrug.

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It's kind of just like.

"Do I want to get upset and cry about a game (and no this is not for sympathy or anything because I am a crybaby and mafia is sometimes too much for my sensitive little ego and is a me thing to work on) or do I want to just like, float something here or there and not dig too deep into things unless asked which is easier to handle or do I wanna go watch fashion videos."

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No. I feel like I probably replace out more as town actually.

I like playing mafia a lot. I have fun with it a lot but I also dislike it a lot at times and have motivation issues so it's a see-saw.

I'm trying to figure out a way to approach mafia that's different how I have before so it can be more fun and less emotionally taxing.

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Playing scum is pretty fun when you're doing well too. Those are probably my favorite moments in games, being a top TR as scum or just flagrantly doing scum-motivated things and no one picking up on it until it's way later.

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If you figure out how to make mafia less emotionally taxing you better open a MD thread about it. It would revolutionize the game.

Yeah, I wish I could. I think for me though it's on average More though, could be wrong but it is what it is. I picked this hobby years ago, like this hobby, and I'm not leaving it.

Maybe it's because on my main account people are very quick to townread me and I just end up wondering how much of that is a personality/vibe thing, and if I'm stuck having to play like that forever when it's tiresome.

What I've found is that alterations of playstyle tend to carry the added risk of making the player sound disingenuous.

Intentional alteration of playstyle is, in itself, an agenda. Town typically distrusts insincerity, especially when an agenda is involved.

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Yeah, fair enough. But I can't really do that much about sounding weird/different and I don't want to go back to how I "normally am" or whatever just to be townread because that's stupid and unfair.

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Um. Romance already outright said they were ydrasse.

They just play on alts a bunch.

Also, I don’t think I’d ever TR Ydrasse early game. Because I think she’s pretty good at getting town read as scum early game.

...I mean, clearly not if you look at how this game is going...

There's not a lot to poke. I feel like it's for pressure

My motive wasn't specifically to pressure you, per se, inasmuch as it was to say, "hey everybody, take a closer look over here and tell me what you think!"

That said I'd feel much better about your slot if you made a push that resonated with me.

The only person I'd really want to go on right now is Qrow I guess. I don't like them stepping back like they did and have given small weird pings. Nancyhead hasn't impressed either in her presence.

I've had some weird fleeting thoughts about there being scum in Qrow/RealCheeks/Head1+2 and I don't know if it's because they're all hydras and there's weird dissonance from two people expressing themselves or what. Maybe in the way they interact. I think of those three the least like to be scum is RCE+Cheeks. The meta townread that RCE threw at me with Cheeky after our back and forth early game didn't feel like it was just to placate me, nor did they have to actually placate me at that point given my level of engagement. It feels like a genuine realization of "oh, this is different from Team Mafia" and thus recalibrating from it.

The Mystic Bears hydra I'm just not engaging with this early on. Noraa always finds me weird or scummy early on in games like these (from what I recall at least, in Titus v Nancy Drew and Happy Face ) and then we get into spats that I really don't feel like doing for a third time again. That's too much to deal with in a game I'm already not vibing with a lot.

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(In case anyone wants to go !?!?? at me, that was a joke at Bell.)

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Um. Romance already outright said they were ydrasse.

They just play on alts a bunch.

Also, I don’t think I’d ever TR Ydrasse early game. Because I think she’s pretty good at getting town read as scum early game.

...I mean, clearly not if you look at how this game is going...

There's not a lot to poke. I feel like it's for pressure

My motive wasn't specifically to pressure you, per se, inasmuch as it was to say, "hey everybody, take a closer look over here and tell me what you think!"

That said I'd feel much better about your slot if you made a push that resonated with me.

The only person I'd really want to go on right now is Qrow I guess. I don't like them stepping back like they did and have given small weird pings. Nancyhead hasn't impressed either in her presence.

I've had some weird fleeting thoughts about there being scum in Qrow/RealCheeks/Head1+2 and I don't know if it's because they're all hydras and there's weird dissonance from two people expressing themselves or what. Maybe in the way they interact. I think of those three the least like to be scum is RCE+Cheeks. The meta townread that RCE threw at me with Cheeky after our back and forth early game didn't feel like it was just to placate me, nor did they have to actually placate me at that point given my level of engagement. It feels like a genuine realization of "oh, this is different from Team Mafia" and thus recalibrating from it.

The Mystic Bears hydra I'm just not engaging with this early on. Noraa always finds me weird or scummy early on in games like these (from what I recall at least, in Titus v Nancy Drew and Happy Face ) and then we get into spats that I really don't feel like doing for a third time again. That's too much to deal with in a game I'm already not vibing with a lot.

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...who was townreading me, genuine question? I feel like all the reads I remember on me in recent memory weren't good ones. Mastina, Mystic Bears, Toog all have me as scum, Qrow had paranoia and are fine with it, I only remember Mirio + RC townreads. Also Tomorrow for double voting me which no clue what's going on there but like, okay.

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I think of the people I just listed, Mastina is still town to me for how she outed herself early. I get that it could be scum faking the role or it could have been done better but it feels like she didn't have to do any of it as scum really, could have saved it for a better time, etc etc. It just feels like a big flashing light and also from what I know (or I guess assume of Mastina) it's a true claim regardless. Could just be scum not technically lying but that feels dumb to type.

Mystic Bears I go back and forth on and I don't want to get into it like I said but them getting upset at me for pushing 'LHF' was dumb too because like... I don't see those people as that (Cakez and whoever else I might have been scumreading, I don't wanna go back and check RN), and it's a weird way to dismiss going after someone. I think it's different from my criticisms of the Titus wagon in that Titus was or was going to be pretty AFK for a few days and I thought it was better to poke in places where there might be more activity. Also saying that I was 'walking back' on reads when they were early D1 and I clearly wasn't really like... attached to anything save for maybe RCE/Cheeky scum at that point wasn't the best take.

For Toog, there's not as much there [He asked why I townread Mom I think early on, and it was her joining the raid immediately without input. I want to say that scum are maybe a little more likely to try and read the room but her enthusiasm felt towny to me.] Also him saying that comment I made at Elsa Jay about not knowing how to play town is very like... silly to call buddies interacting in main thread? I am /good/ at fake interactions when I'm scum and I put weight into them and when I do them and how and there's not a lot of worth to something so flagrant IMO when I could commiserate in private, so making that connection was meh.

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...I mean, clearly not if you look at how this game is going...

Isn't this a scum claim

(In case anyone wants to go !?!?? at me, that was a joke at Bell.)

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...who was townreading me, genuine question? I feel like all the reads I remember on me in recent memory weren't good ones. Mastina, Mystic Bears, Toog all have me as scum, Qrow had paranoia and are fine with it, I only remember Mirio + RC townreads. Also Tomorrow for double voting me which no clue what's going on there but like, okay.

RC stuck out in my mind.

I was like, "really? I'm tiered with ROMANCE?" (Not against you at a personal level, of course)

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That townread was one that turned me around on them honestly, there's no reason for RCE to be referential to that game IMO as scum. It's not like I was bringing it up and being like "hey what about this remember when we played together?"

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Your memory is outdated.

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Cool to see who gets sympathy tho.

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Not getting it this game. I have already repeatedly stated I feel out of step in a distressing/frustrating way.

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I tend to stop caring about games as town a lot more than I do as scum.

There’s a spitefulness about it like fine, go lose if you vote me out which I am trying to suppress because that’s toxic so it bleeds into the thread as “whatever.”

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And yes I can back that up.

To fall into old habits, I’d be doing a lot more as scum to change anyone’s minds rather than a listless handful of reads. Those were my genuine thoughts and whether or not they’re listened to now or later is like... okay.

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I think it’s frustrating because they’re my real thoughts and they’re being seen poorly which I hate on a personal level which is uh. Dumb, for mafia where mafia are pushing people who are being honest!

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I think the reason I’m expressing myself like this now is because it’s a lot easier to bleed out the more emotive part of my mind versus the logic/game parts which I’ve given less and less energy due to aforementioned frustration cycle and I’m hoping people can see that this isn’t me bullshitting.

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Dumb take but I feel like genuinely most if not all scum are just lurking this out with an off chance of like Q+R but meh, the interactions with AA9 felt real.

VOTE: Momrangal

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Also Cakez is kind of eh but... meh.

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...I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that Mirio probably doesn't care about your veto this game. :<

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I think of the people I just listed, Mastina is still town to me for how she outed herself early. I get that it could be scum faking the role or it could have been done better but it feels like she didn't have to do any of it as scum really, could have saved it for a better time, etc etc. It just feels like a big flashing light and also from what I know (or I guess assume of Mastina) it's a true claim regardless. Could just be scum not technically lying but that feels dumb to type.

Mystic Bears I go back and forth on and I don't want to get into it like I said but them getting upset at me for pushing 'LHF' was dumb too because like... I don't see those people as that (Cakez and whoever else I might have been scumreading, I don't wanna go back and check RN), and it's a weird way to dismiss going after someone. I think it's different from my criticisms of the Titus wagon in that Titus was or was going to be pretty AFK for a few days and I thought it was better to poke in places where there might be more activity. Also saying that I was 'walking back' on reads when they were early D1 and I clearly wasn't really like... attached to anything save for maybe RCE/Cheeky scum at that point wasn't the best take.

For Toog, there's not as much there [He asked why I townread Mom I think early on, and it was her joining the raid immediately without input. I want to say that scum are maybe a little more likely to try and read the room but her enthusiasm felt towny to me.] Also him saying that comment I made at Elsa Jay about not knowing how to play town is very like... silly to call buddies interacting in main thread? I am /good/ at fake interactions when I'm scum and I put weight into them and when I do them and how and there's not a lot of worth to something so flagrant IMO when I could commiserate in private, so making that connection was meh.

Dumb take but I feel like genuinely most if not all scum are just lurking this out with an off chance of like Q+R but meh, the interactions with AA9 felt real.

VOTE: Momrangal

@Romance, what changed with your mom read?

~R

I'm going back through your iso and: the complete and utter lack of enthusiasm + presence compared to the entrance she made.

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I wish I was scum so I'd actually care about this game. ):

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Oh thank God a VC.

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STD, you missed the pagetop... you scum?

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I think I'm just gonna keep voting Mom. Thumbs up emoji.

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Boooooo.

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It's not explicitly that she's low activity; it's that she keeps promising to be here/catch up but doesn't which is like... worse? Because she's promising things that she's not delivering which contrasts with the bombastic three posts she opens with.

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It's not explicitly that she's low activity; it's that she keeps promising to be here/catch up but doesn't which is like... worse? Because she's promising things that she's not delivering which contrasts with the bombastic three posts she opens with.

Also RE: Mom, the only proof we have that she's like... reading along? Is 1197 which doesn't illuminate her thoughts at all but apparently she had the time to read through things so why not contribute a bit more from the basis she has. It's something easily faked.

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Pretty sure she only said that twice. And I have said I was catching up more than that and didn't do most of it. I don't think i have enough to call her scum plus i like her so Im not voting her.

-bearbeara

It's not the same though, because you're actually putting thoughts out there and not just saying "will do!" and then vanishing.

Dunno; if part of it is that you like her which makes you err away from it I can't do much about that and I think you're gonna dig your heels in so I'm not gonna dwell on this but there's enough in context for me to vote her.

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Mirio is the Least Toxic user I have ever met. Each day I only open up this thread for the hopes of seeing a glimpse of wholesome blond hair. Truly my oasis in this hellhole we reside in.

[Romance]

I've made it clear why it's enough to me.

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paget op

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STD made me laugh a lot by posting that so I think STD is town.

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The only thing I could really see as a scummy post by Momrangal rn is 419, it feels a bit like the sort of frustration I had in Booneytoonz XVI (I think it was that number, it might actually be XV which would be EMBARRASSING with how long I’ve had it wrong in my head) at R+A, I couldn’t really argue against the points they were putting out because Krazy was once again hiding behind another fucking hidden alt because he couldn’t bother to fix his divergent scum play

-Qrow

Spoiler:

I was the other head on that hydra and it was a fucking wild ride. We just wanted to have an anon hydra though. ;-;

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The only thing I could really see as a scummy post by Momrangal rn is 419, it feels a bit like the sort of frustration I had in Booneytoonz XVI (I think it was that number, it might actually be XV which would be EMBARRASSING with how long I’ve had it wrong in my head) at R+A, I couldn’t really argue against the points they were putting out because Krazy was once again hiding behind another fucking hidden alt because he couldn’t bother to fix his divergent scum play

-Qrow

Spoiler:

I was the other head on that hydra and it was a fucking wild ride. We just wanted to have an anon hydra though. ;-;

Spoiler:

I don’t know if he mentioned this but I lowkey scumclaimed to Krazy that game by PMing him my correct guess of his alt. Honestly though I’m super glad I won that game after it turned out Krazy and LM were both absolute shit human beings, it was basically a moral victory on top of a regular one

-Qrow

Spoiler:

LMAO did you? I don't think he ever mentioned that to me that I can recall, that game was literally just so much and I checked out after like 2-3 IRL days because of the pace and helped out the bare minimum. I did have some fire reads behind the scenes but posting them in that game was just like willing myself to have an aneurysm. It was funny when he got to pseudo-clear people off of the role PM thing though, I liked that.

[Romance]

I have a guilty~.

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Like a HARD guilty...!

[Romance]

Do we want it NOW or do we want some DRAMA.

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VOTE: JOIN: RAID

[Romance]

VOTE: RAID

Trying to make it clear I am joining the raid. :>

[Romance]

Okay, cool. :3 I'll keep it to myself.

Glad I could get one thing right this game.

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Understandable.

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I have a guilty~.

Like a HARD guilty...!

Why mention this so early?

This just gets some people to not think of anything today ala 'follow the cop' and doesn't let you observe the guilty party to see any association tells.

You just basically told them to shut up and give us nothing. Is that intentional or nah?

This gives us something too because if they shut up they're going to stand out.

^

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I outed for that reason, wanted to see who reacts and how..!

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I'd rather just out that it exists early on for the purposes of seeing who decides to be quiet + to not blindside later into day like oh haha, btw.

Selfishly I just also don't wanna put up with people pushing me.

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I'm just a little Mankey I haven't evolved yet please.

I have a list of about six or so people I think are scum. I am not outting it right now because if I am very smart and good at this game I'll have perfect reads and they'll never talk again fearing the guilty is on them all at once but it's ready to go. :<

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I'm getting impatient. ):

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Oh, I was just impatient because I wanna blurt it out. Not because of anything that's happened. ;>

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Eh... no, not really.

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ArcAngel
Whemestar
SirCakez
Elsa
Save the Dragons
Titus
Tictac

^ My scumpool.

[Romance]

I’m weaker on her so fair.

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Ooooookay.

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So let’s not touch That right now and let it be.

[Romance]

That was a very pre-emotive CC. >_>

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Okay anyways.
VOTE: SirCakez

There’s enough info in D1 for this to feel easy and I don’t wanna drag out half the day teasing this.

Arcangel / Wheme are the top suspects for me based on what they have said about Cakez/what Cakez said about them.

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I’m disinterested in voting TC.

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Cakez calling out Wheme’s vote on TC felt like bussing Wheme, despite Cakez earlier being like “how can you have TC as locktown lmao.” (He felt indignant that TC + Qrow + someone else were being townread). TC probably just being silly based on prior posts so let’s not do that rn.

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Dwlee is also somewhat suspect to me from the guilty but more likely was being pocketed by Cakez.

[Romance]

Actually that’s dumb nvm not sus.

[Romance]

More about his behavior than your behavior.

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I am certain it is not a misunderstanding.

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But sure! (:

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He’s not gonna catch up so just vote him.

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(: !

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Claim, please!

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Mostly for the ~process~.

My guilty isn’t reliant on his claim though.

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Who has a "guilty"? They are lying and/or scum bc I'm Ascetic

False. I got a result on you. Convenient EOD claim.

[Romance]

Nah, this is a scum claim.

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Also let me just point out Cakez claimed ascetic as a catch-all because I didn’t out the nature of my guilty. Lol.

[Romance]

I claim a hard guilty on you. (:

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You’re not fishing it out of me!

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Strange to only claim the ascetic part though, what’s that about visiting?

[Romance]

You’re at E-2. Out what you have.

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If people who aren’t Cakez really need my claim I’ll do it but I’m not doing it for him lmao.

[Romance]

How does VT = clear?

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Claim your result shit or get off the pot
I did visit someone weird last night so if it's watcher or something then maybe ur legit

Also how is visiting a VT weird.

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Claim your result shit or get off the pot
I did visit someone weird last night so if it's watcher or something then maybe ur legit

Also how is visiting a VT weird.

Obviously not what I meant
It's who I visited not their role

Ah, okay.

Anyways that has no impact on my guilty and you’re still scum.

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Hey I have some pretty good scumgames tbf.

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Regardless I don’t understand why Cakez is worrying it’s a misunderstanding if he’s ascetic... anything that could cause an issue would fail by virtue of being ascetic.

[Romance]

No it’d be highly incriminating but not a hard guilty.

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Nope, not claiming it unless everyone else wants it.

It’s a hard guilty.

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I targeted Cakez. A redirect would fail by virtue of his own claim which again... no reason for him to be misunderstood. He keeps trying to get me to out it because he wants my role and not to reason with me lol.

[Romance]

Like he shouldn’t even need my results to know I’m scum from his POV and yet he keeps trying.

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Oh? In my old games offsite bus driver had to target the new target as well.

But... what Dwlee said basically. It’s a lot of convenience to explain how my guilty could be wrong that I don’t think is happening here.

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If I was redirected I’ll take the L but his response doesn’t inspire me to believe that’s the case.

[Romance]

Ya you got hammered.

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Lame reaction.

I’m fine going 1 for 1 if you’re town. :3c

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RBed.

VOTE: Join raid

Can we vote STD/Wheme/Elsa please? Ty. Don’t think Tomorrow votes their partner in a way that egregious and given their posting/joking it would be game throwing at this point.

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VOTE: Elsa Jay

[Romance]

SirCakez, Nero Tol Scaeva (

Garlean Invader Jack of all Trades

), was eliminated Day 2.

Spoiler: Role PM

Nero Tol Scaeva

Welcome to FFXIV ARR Mafia

You are

Nero Tol Scaeva (

Garlean Invader Jack of all Trades

)

Ability:

• Garlean Chief Engineer:
  During the night you may use following devices once per game.
  • Linkshell Disruptor:
    You may use this ability either during the day or night. This ability will shut down all Private threads for the following phase except the Garlean Invader PT.
    
  • Surveying:
    You may use this ability during the night to learn whether the target is
    Vanilla Eorzean
    or not.
• Garlean Linkshell:
  PT be here

Win Condition:

• All Eorzean factions are eliminated or nothing can be done to prevent reaching the condition.

Final Raid Group

2. Dwlee99

RealCheeks

Bell

Elsa Jay

SirCakez

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RBed.

VOTE: Join raid

Can we vote STD/Wheme/Elsa please? Ty. Don’t think Tomorrow votes their partner in a way that egregious and given their posting/joking it would be game throwing at this point.

1) Why wouldnt they hammer their partner to end the day before we can consolidate the raid?
2) Do you think town has 2 doctors? Because otherwise you should be voting either me or TC.

Sakura the reason I said you outed pre-emptively is because I think that

no one seriously claims their role like TC

and given their posting for... the entire game, they're just trolling/messing around.

So no, I don't think there's two doctors but neither do I think TC was trying to bait you out somehow.

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Oh. Mastina is strongarming this elim on me rn. I was wondering where the opposition would come from.

Mastina got the Elsa rabies in which I did something stupid and must be tunneled to death. I was ready to get off the raid when Tommorow and Angel basically ended all the raid talk before it went anywhere. Tommorow also benefitted and got on the raid and then it failed.

Mastina seems to be fake claiming something elsa about her role in order to try and make more people want me dead so that's sad. Mod wouldn't give Mastina anything besides the Raid garuntee if that's her true role. A reminder it's a role that is easily faked when scum control when the raid passes or fails too.

In other news I hope everyone here will have a happy October!

I think I want Mastina to fullclaim

Mastina is sounding very confusing to me and theyre role seems to do a lot that I juist dont get

Can we please just kill one of these two. Thanks.

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We can wait a day. It’s wack as hell for you to jump to ninja RBer. I think TC is trolling and messing around but the circumstances around the game + hammer on SirCakez and silly posting makes me think that they’re not anything at all.

Please listen to me. I had a good read D1. I got us scum. Listen to me today.

[Romance]

...because they roleblocked me to try and kill another PR????

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Like I am the person who has gotten us scum so far. Put some faith into me, and look at Elsa/Wheme/Bell/Toog/Cheeks. That’s my pool.

[Romance]

Elsa is being so egregious today like “we got TC we got this!” and was like oh silly Mastina pushing me :/ and then Wheme jumped on like Yeah Mastina Claim Your Role!

And no one finds this weird?

[Romance]

...because they roleblocked me to try and kill another PR????

H1H2 claimed VT.

Their last posts were PR claiming.

[Romance]

How does one add a 1-shot to a VT?

This is perhaps the claim you all want.

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Like I am the person who has gotten us scum so far. Put some faith into me, and look at Elsa/Wheme/Bell/Toog/Cheeks. That’s my pool.

Your pool is crap.
~C

Nope.

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Romance, how does my result make any sense if TC is town and single ball is here? If multiball, how can tictac and mastina clear TC?

How does one add a 1-shot to a VT?

This is perhaps the claim you all want.

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Like pretty sure there's max 2 scum in that pool with 1 being more likely.
~C

Okay so the scumteam is in that pool.

Duly noted.

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Romance, how does my result make any sense if TC is town and single ball is here? If multiball, how can tictac and mastina clear TC?

How does one add a 1-shot to a VT?

This is perhaps the claim you all want.

That doesn't answer anything as I also claimed PR.

...your result makes sense because you tracked a VT going nowhere.

If you think the entire scumteam goes in claiming TC hardtown full cleared in this environment, just no.

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Maybe TC is a ninja janitor. And mastina/Romance/tictac are scum.

Yeah I’m scum kill me so I don’t have to deal with bashing my head against a wall.

Scum cop hard bus on SirCakez.

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If all of you are taking TC’s posting as anything other than lighthearted and joking there really is no hope.

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Yea so a VT that can mech clear tictac that is also a doctor

You are so fucking desperate.

[Romance]

If all of you are taking TC’s posting as anything other than lighthearted and joking there really is no hope.

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Why the fuck does TC as scum change claim and say fucking inane nonsense? Why? What about TC’s posting makes any of you think that THEY WANTED TO BE BELIEVED.

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If all of you are taking TC’s posting as anything other than lighthearted and joking there really is no hope.

Okay. We can work with that.

Why are you trying so hard to save a slot in your own words hasn't done anything besides be light hearted and joking? A joke that outted our doctor.

Why are you trying to save a slot that's so far has only done bad things for this game?

BECAUSE I AM TRYING TO KILL SCUM AND I DO NOT WANT TO ELIM TOWN. LIKE MY WINCON SAYS.

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Good morning, just before work.
Gunna ask this the following.

Is TC back tracking on their doc claim and claiming VT?
If so, obviously we should get our ducks in a row and then steamroll TC.

SCUM.

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If all of you are taking TC’s posting as anything other than lighthearted and joking there really is no hope.

If that's the case, we should get a straight claim from them and an explanation of why they drew out Sakura's claim.

There's no reason to rush the day, in either direction. Both TC and mastina need to answer.

THEY DID NOT DRAW IT OUT INTENTIONALLY IMO. SAKURA CLAIMED PRE-EMPTIVELY. I SAID AS MUCH WHEN IT HAPPENED.

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Like holy shit I know mafia is serious but please just go read TC’s iso from the perspective of someone memeing around and having fun, like. What’s the scum agenda? To die? Why not kill the doc claim you baited out..????

[Romance]

Scum is literally salivating over TC dying today.

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Why do you know TC is town then? Nobody elsa seems to see any town worthy qualities there. Why are you encouraging Mastina to waste her check on a slot doing nothing? If we get rid of it Mastina can use her role on someone actually useful.

I have STATED WHY I THINK TC IS TOWN.

It is INFORMATIVE TO SEE WHO TRIED TO PUSH TOWN TODAY.

I want to ELIMJNATE SCUM.

[Romance]

Why does a town VT claim a raid attempting to create strongmen Romance?

Did you read their second post. Or any of them.

Sigh.

[Romance]

Whatever, fuck me for trying.

Kill TC. Sheep my reads tomorrow.

Thumbs up emoji.

[Romance]

Scum is literally salivating over TC dying today.

Why? Scum would be net neutral unless Elsa had to live one more day for some reason.

I literally do not know how else to explain that scum like easy miselims.

[Romance]

Romance. Why are you angry and frustrated?

I make points and no one listens and scum tap dance on me. (:

[Romance]

Yeah, I get that romance. TC is an easy miselim if they’re town. Are you frustrated because you feel powerless? I’m not used to you caring so much or being this direct.

I’m frustrated because I care and feel confident and it doesn’t matter so I do t want to try anymore.

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Scum is literally salivating over TC dying today.

Why? Scum would be net neutral unless Elsa had to live one more day for some reason.

I literally do not know how else to explain that scum like easy miselims.

Why isn't Elsa the easy miselimination?

Who’s voting Elsa today other than me and Mastina.

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VOTE: RealCheeks

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@Nancy, Titus didn’t get a result if TC is VT because TC went nowhere. There’s nothing weird.

Please take a step back from the tictac read for me; I think it’s a clash in style.

[Romance]

So why is TC town again?

I can buy TC gambiting protective to fish for the nk to escape the game and help town in the process (by saving a PR attempt).

Sakura's same day cc was suboptimal, but it doesn't damn TC.

- House

[Romance]

VOTE: Elsa Jay

Weee.

[Romance]

Cheeks is a fairly acceptable vote.

It’s between Cheeks/Elsa for me today.

[Romance]

Why is Elsa town?

[Romance]

Why the hell would you want to kill someone who went nowhere knowing that 2 out of 3 scum had to have acted last night and TC didn't.

Arguably 3/3 scum acted if janitor action + night kill are two separate actions. But like.

Hello?

Mechanics?

[Romance]

Like scum literally aren't multitasking.

[Romance]

So, we have:

Roleblocker
Janitor
?? Role.

And TC went nowhere... and we still want to kill him... despite on top of mechanics them having a good day today. Despite the explanations for how the behavior previously isn't scum-indicative. (It wasn't the most pro-town but NEITHER was it pro-scum.)

[Romance]

...we killed one?

[Romance]

5/12 feels busted imo, I'm going with 4/13.