The Deck of Astral Roles II: Expanded Universe [Game Over]

[Wisdom]

VOTE: Titus
No way you arent scum of some kind

[Wisdom]

Long time no play Almost
If not for Titus that vote would land on you for the same reason (:

[Wisdom]

VOTE: Titus
No way you arent scum of some kind

Weird claim for scum, innit?

You know Titus better than me
What are the chances she picks town rather than any of all those alignments

[Wisdom]

Pooky's extra vote is probably from the Specter

Apparently they give someone an extra vote

[Wisdom]

Oh.. now I remember..

Was it colorful?

[Wisdom]

What kind of random kill was that

Probably not from Titus, she wouldn't hesitate killing me

VOTE: almost

[Wisdom]

Pooky's extra vote is probably from the Specter

Apparently they give someone an extra vote

[Wisdom]

What kind of random kill was that

Probably not from Titus, she wouldn't hesitate killing me

VOTE: almost

And you think I shoot Galron over you?????

Sure, you wanna play with me
Tirus already did

[Wisdom]

What kind of random kill was that

Probably not from Titus, she wouldn't hesitate killing me

VOTE: almost

That's like, a 999.99% chance this is multiball, so I don't understand why you moved your vote over the day kill not being you.

No shes still scum I just wanna vote more people

[Wisdom]

Specter wasn't a kill, it was a voluntary death.

VOTE: Wisdom

Theres another death you missed

[Wisdom]

NK youre not reading
Specter faction gives someone an extra vote
That's where it comes from

[Wisdom]

I have no clue who Galron is
It will be interesting to see who has played with him when I'm not on a phone

[Wisdom]

Why? What he said is right

@nk

[Wisdom]

The interaction thing is in the flipped Specter's role pm which youve still not read apparently

[Wisdom]

Why didn't you pick Town Factional Kill Enabler?

I didn't know if there would be a vig.

You DID read every single role in its entirety, right? In the actual deck?

We were supposed to do that?

I'm not reading 1k posts.

He means the choices we had, not all roles

[Wisdom]

Oh now I get what you meant nk, ignore 75

[Wisdom]

Would the hades have a double vote though? The wording sounds like they have to target the hades so theyre able to have a vote

[Wisdom]

So unless a Specter is Hades they all flip d1, right?
Being Specter Hades requires rolling two specter cards if I'm understanding correctly so its not very likely
I think we're good assuming theres only the one specter

[Wisdom]

Votes reset when Galron died

[Wisdom]

They win when they get 3 souls i think

[Wisdom]

i think the VT discard from deck C is scummy

I always discard vt in such games if I can, tells scum less about what they can claim

[Wisdom]

MT you saw the flips, right? Im not sure you realize Galron is dead

[Wisdom]

Loftwing is being replaced. Card selection deadline is frozen at 2 days, 9 hours, 35 minutes until both replacements are found.

I dont understand the sunshine club wording

It says they have to use their factional powers during the day but do they have a kill?

[Wisdom]

Quote was by mistake

[Wisdom]

Kay
Maybe they have a rolecop which they used on galron first?
Otherwise it feels really hasty and random

[Wisdom]

yeah realized that seconds after i said it

[Wisdom]

I have no clue who Galron is
It will be interesting to see who has played with him when I'm not on a phone

Looked a little into this

Pooky seems to have the most games with Galron
Titus, MT and Almost also have a couple

[Wisdom]

and i have a double vote

You're saying that's part of your role?

[Wisdom]

Is the specter's vote give compulsive?
If pooky's telling the truth I figured they just didn't give a vote anywhere

[Wisdom]

VOTE: Almost

[Wisdom]

So dark creatures apparently have a roleblock + delayed kill
Is there another faction that daykills like the sunshine club?

[Wisdom]

The dayvig roles I can find are required to post it inthread I think

[Wisdom]

Post 21 :

You may preform the factional kill during the day. If the kill is successful, the player will not die until the day ends.
If you preform the factional kill, the factional kill cannot be preformed during the night.



There's another one of this as well (i think ~ 550 or so)

That says the player dies at end of day though, which didn't happen

[Wisdom]

Almost is still probably scum even if not wolf or dc
We almost certainly have sunshine plus someone else who can daykill

[Wisdom]

I agree, she looked pretty town

[Wisdom]

House Im thinking about Titus' claim

I think making someone BP is more likely wanted by groupscum than town in this game
Titus would probably go with the minus vote instead, no?

[Wisdom]

She does not sacrifice herself, she sacrifices use of her power (getting a random 1shot of someone living)
So basically she can protect a scumbuddy

[Wisdom]

Nope, here's the role

[Wisdom]

She does not sacrifice herself, she sacrifices use of her power (getting a random 1shot of someone living)
So basically she can protect a scumbuddy

I mean your point seems like it could also just come down to personal taste.

I think I'd prefer what she claims to her discard as any alignment.

Yes, I'm discussing personal taste

I don't think Titus wants to rand powers or bp someone as town in this game, she would consider the minus vote better
But as groupscum the bp grant is good

[Wisdom]

I don't think you can really leash in this game

[Wisdom]

Almost is still probably scum even if not wolf or dc
We almost certainly have sunshine plus someone else who can daykill

can you explain this

Almost likes scum
As does Titus
I said as much in my first two posts
What do you need explained

[Wisdom]

You can't really confirm a bp
And with dayvigs in play it gets even more complicated because I think the bp just lasts for the night
Thats why Im saying we cant leash it

[Wisdom]

@Guillotina MT was townreading Pooky after the claim, why would he kill her

[Wisdom]

You'll notice I'm voting Almost and not Titus
But I can't help but feel thats a scum role she has and she claimed it out of the gate like in last game

[Wisdom]

I don't know, the claim seems truthful
Combo card is guaranteed to be town when it has a double vote
Scumfinder is still objectively better I think but I feel like Pooky does not feel the same way

[Wisdom]

The specters'? They probably didn't use it

[Wisdom]

Spangled is already flipped

And this logic is bad, especially for people from setup C like me who had 4 cards

[Wisdom]

Because VT discard gives less info to scum over what cards I had
I always discard VT when I have it in these games

[Wisdom]

And this logic is bad, especially for people from setup C like me who had 4 cards

Wait, everyone in C had 4 picks?

Im assuming so, it said it used Grandester Idea

[Wisdom]

Or the specter made you a double voter.

Then tomorrow the specter gives it to someone else and Pooky is outed

Doesnt really work for Pooky, does it

[Wisdom]

Toog I actually believe to be town
Almost is full of shit

[Wisdom]

Lendunistus is in their scum meta, they dont like randing wolf and they tend to ghost most of the game when they are scum, far more than when they slank as town.

Doesnt that suggest theyd pick town

[Wisdom]

And yes we have history with almost

[Wisdom]

I agree with the Meg point though

I feel like they have just talked about setup spec and have done no real scumhunting

[Wisdom]

Like, the closest to an actual take was their defense of Titus which is ugh

[Wisdom]

NK15 I dont know about
I faintly recall having played another game with him where he looked scummy but wasn't scum
I'll look it up

[Wisdom]

Nevermind I misremembered
In that game I thought they were scum and they actually were scum

VOTE: nk15

[Wisdom]

If I remember correctly he prefers town so his statements about liking town feel truthful here

[Wisdom]

House doesn't feel particularly solvy either but Ill give him a day too

[Wisdom]

I thought you liked scum more, probably because I enjoyed being scum with you in that multiball game
Maybe I remembered wrong
In any case I want to give you some space now

[Wisdom]

what?
We = me and almost

[Wisdom]

@Almost This is the game I was talking about re: nk15, you were in it too

He was pretty obvious scum there as well

[Wisdom]

English is not my first language if it helps you

I just meant me and almost

[Wisdom]

Do you have any other input on the game?

[Wisdom]

If you have a read, the game is not in rvs

Do you townread anyone else?

[Wisdom]

Gut reads don't break RVS. Just saying.

I feel like if you have time to shade my posts and my attempts to move the game forward, you also have the time for some actual content

[Wisdom]

I still cant figure who would kill Galron so quickly
Is there any role or modifier that makes the target of an action random?

[Wisdom]

and saying that reads break rvs is not exactly pushing the game forward, is it?

Asking people to develop reads and share them is

[Wisdom]

I just got an extra vote btw
Im assuming from the specter
Though I dont see it on the vc

[Wisdom]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: nk15 x2

Just making sure

[Wisdom]

So you saying NK15 is TWTBW?

No, I'm saying he wants us to vote him for some reason

Im not seeing a jester play if thats what youre suggesting

[Wisdom]

@Wisdom

What are your reads looking like as of now?

Guillotina - nulltown
MegAzumarill - scummy
Titus - almost certainly scum based on preference but I can give her a day
Selynee - null
Flea The Magician - nullscum
Almost50 - nulltown after recent but I wanna revisit later
Not Known 15 - probably scum
Toogeloo - nulltown
PookyTheMagicalBear - town
House - null
bloodhail - null
lendunistus - null
Wisdom
Ydrasse - very slight leantown for limiting claim options

Other than House the null people are people I haven't played with before which is not helping either

[Wisdom]

Wisdom

You are putting in your name, but say nothing there?
Putting "Town" in there would not be suspicious.
Leaving it out, neither.
But this is strange.
VOTE: Wisdom

I copied the op and im phone posting
Youre really reaching

[Wisdom]

@Wisdom

What are your reads looking like as of now?

Guillotina - nulltown
MegAzumarill - scummy
Titus - almost certainly scum based on preference but I can give her a day
Selynee - null
Flea The Magician - nullscum
Almost50 - nulltown after recent but I wanna revisit later
Not Known 15 - probably scum
Toogeloo - nulltown
PookyTheMagicalBear - town
House - null
bloodhail - null
lendunistus - null
Wisdom
Ydrasse - very slight leantown for limiting claim options

Other than House the null people are people I haven't played with before which is not helping either

Why give Titus a day is she is the most scum player you read?

I wanna see what she does, I have experience with her
Plus it will help read House

[Wisdom]

I thought the sleep paralysis players would have to be killed for that
Does it apply to eliminations too?

[Wisdom]

If a player is killed while under “Sleep Paralysis”, their soul is collected by the Specter faction, joining them in the graveyard.

@mod

Does "killed" include via exile?

[Wisdom]

Cant they just sleep paralysis someone just before theyre lim'd then
Seems a waste to use it early

[Wisdom]

UNVOTE:

[Wisdom]

Today only maybe we can risk it and hope they used it without knowing it affects lims like NK said

But tomorrow on no-lim feels unavoidable, yes

[Wisdom]

Kay then its kind of workable
There will be some wifom because scum will surely claim they got it but that can provide info as well because its kind of testable at night

VOTE: nk15

[Wisdom]

Theres another death

[Wisdom]

Why The Magician

I disliked them shading my attempts to read meg as well as their apparent wanting to remain in rvs

[Wisdom]

VOTE: titus

You want this d1, be my guest

[Wisdom]

Meg the shot is obv not real
Stop using excuses to fluff around more

[Wisdom]

She does not sacrifice herself, she sacrifices use of her power (getting a random 1shot of someone living)
So basically she can protect a scumbuddy

I mean your point seems like it could also just come down to personal taste.

I think I'd prefer what she claims to her discard as any alignment.

Yes, I'm discussing personal taste

I don't think Titus wants to rand powers or bp someone as town in this game, she would consider the minus vote better
But as groupscum the bp grant is good

Not when I'd be leashed to obvtown. If my leash target died, I better have used a pretty OP power or I get FoSed. You would know this. Also, mystically healing a scumbuddy over town would make a two for one.

Scum!Titus doesn't claim there.

Like ive already said we can't leash your power in a game like this. There are a billion excuses for why your supposed target died while you safely protect your buddies from crosskills

[Wisdom]

Also it makes no sense to me that you "dont like me" solely based on that. What is my scum motivation here? Wanting to have you as a lim option later? I wasnt even voting you

[Wisdom]

Pooky i have four scumreads
Pick one and work with me instead of wasting your time

[Wisdom]

Since when is meta scummy?

[Wisdom]

Yeah because I did
We pick alignments in this game and we all know you like scum

[Wisdom]

Oh look, House is scum too

[Wisdom]

Dont know why I bother when this playerlist will just ignore me but I have to say it
A House who doesn't care to read me OR Titus after that exchange and just votes me is never town

[Wisdom]

And to whoever said my read is "illegal" or whatever
Meta is a thing, deal with it. Youre just helping scum by discrediting my reads.

[Wisdom]

I dont care how you treat Titus, you know Im right in regards to her preference and it definitely isn't "shit". Its where you start in a game where players pick alignments. Do I have to go through games to prove what should be obvious? I thought everyone knew Titus likes scum

[Wisdom]

Fine
VOTE: nk15

[Wisdom]

What other reads do you have?

[Wisdom]

Oh now you claimed your cards too
Anything else you wanna tell scum to make it smoother for them?

[Wisdom]

I dont see why you claimed the one you picked for alignment
Someone could have used it to fakeclaim and you would be able to cc
Now they wont

[Wisdom]

Also if youre not gonna use your pgo to trick scum into targeting you or something how is it less boring than oracle

[Wisdom]

True, claiming it is the better play, I'm just trying to understand the rationale of picking it

[Wisdom]

And to be clear I'm townreading Guillotina more out of this
Dont see why he'd do this as scum

[Wisdom]

I wasnt asking why you claimed it
I just wouldn't pick it is what im saying

[Wisdom]

Kay fair
Pooky discarded scumfinder just to be bp so I guess wanting to evade death is a thing

[Wisdom]

So you saying NK15 is TWTBW?

No, I'm saying he wants us to vote him for some reason

Im not seeing a jester play if thats what youre suggesting

Jester would be the least of my worries, because it's in the rules that 3P win doesn't end the game.

Then what are you suggesting he is?

[Wisdom]

but also NO WAY it comes from conventional Scum

That's why I linked you that old game
Look at that E-1 vote he placed on his scumbuddy, it was such obvious scum it was unbelievable
I think its just hes bad at scum

[Wisdom]

If we lim him and he's unlimable we just know him to be scum, don't see how that's pro his wincon

[Wisdom]

No Exile (1) - Guillotina

It did work, he voted again afterwards

[Wisdom]

How do you two feel about lendunistus btw?

I can vote there for some pressure too

[Wisdom]

If we lim him and he's unlimable we just know him to be scum, don't see how that's pro his wincon

Are you reading ONLY what you want to read? First you asked what I suspected he could be when I had already explained it. I quoted myself and you didn't get past the first proposition!!!

WHAT IF HIS ELIMINATION RESULTS IN SOMETHING WIERD, SUCH AS SKIPPING THE NEXT DAY, OR DISABLING ALL PROTECTIVE ROLES FOR THAT NIGHT, OR BLOCKING ALL NON-KILLING ACTIONS.. ETC?? I don't know if there ARE such roles in the deck, and I can't probably read the whole thread. Can you confirm that there are no such devastating roles?

Uh I can try to but what I'm been trying to tell you is that the simplest explanation is that he's just scum

[Wisdom]

uh

There are game-ending jesters apparently. And it's NK15 who created them

[Wisdom]

Nevermind, their presence is announced by the mod so he's not that

[Wisdom]

I'm here now

[Wisdom]

Dont claim but anyone with dead interaction actions target the player that flipped as specter and we gucci.

This player is probably not aligned with the town.
VOTE: Guillotina

It's like you WANT to be limmed.

You roll jester?

Actually it was House who voiced it first

I was thinking Almost was influenced by this

[Wisdom]

inb4 condemner

You're actually not even engaging me

[Wisdom]

You cant be the combo, you can be a regular one

But I wasn't really serious, you're just playing like one

[Wisdom]

It happens to most people in their first game with me, you'll get used to it

[Wisdom]

But like I said

we have half the votes needed for a lim between us

try working with me instead

How do you feel about the pool of {NK15, Flea, lendunistus, Meg}?

[Wisdom]

i mean you could just be scum right

If you'd played with me before you'd probably call me obvtown by now
Sadly the only people who know me in this playerlist look like scumfucks

[Wisdom]

it's like a who's who of LHFs

scum is scum regardless of how low they're hanging

[Wisdom]

all i've seen from you is some angleshooty "___ is scum cuz they would pick scum"

Do you expect me not to factor in what I know about people in a game alignments are picked? It's like a nobrainer to me that's how you start scumhunting in these games

[Wisdom]

do u actually have a scumread on any of them

On NK15 yeah, he's pretty scummy like in the game I linked
The others are simply underwhelming and awkward and I'd gladly pressure them

[Wisdom]

It's just a beginning point. The fact I make it look like it's a case and I'm ready to lim them is just part of my charisma and my playstyle. Those are what you're disliking.

[Wisdom]

A trap how?

[Wisdom]

And you were in the mood for town here Titus?

[Wisdom]

Well yeah
I used to prefer scum back in the day and I was scumread in greatest idea games
It comes with the setup

[Wisdom]

VOTE: Spangled

Willing to see if Wisdom does somewhere other than me or lhf.

Im not even voting you and I have expressed like 4 other scumreads

[Wisdom]

But like I said

we have half the votes needed for a lim between us

try working with me instead

How do you feel about the pool of {NK15, Flea, lendunistus, Meg}?

nice.
Someone who makes about as much sense as me, the OoG poisoned person, the actually could be scum (WIM Tell), and a pokémon who seems decent to me so far.

VOTE: Wisdom Have at thee.

Do tell us about your Meg read

[Wisdom]

do u actually have a scumread on any of them

On NK15 yeah, he's pretty scummy like in the game I linked
The others are simply underwhelming and awkward and I'd gladly pressure them

Doth my reputation preceed me?

What bar am I expected to reach? What are you expecting as a minimum from me rn?

You think youve done anything so far?

[Wisdom]

3p is not as common as groupscum or town
If a player has a strong preference on one of those they'll likely pick it given the choice

[Wisdom]

That was my answer
You havent done anything. The bare minimum is to play.

[Wisdom]

Ive never played with either and their content is not good enough to give me a read

[Wisdom]

Selynee has kind of tried to get some stances from people, I could maybe give her a very slight townlean

[Wisdom]

Ive said why you had a mention
You discredited my attempts to get the game going

[Wisdom]

I dont see a problem with lie detecting yourself either

It's used on a statement and whether it's true, not on whether nk15's intention is to lie

[Wisdom]

I wish it helped me townread Titus but it could still well be me and Toog who are town, which is what I already thought

[Wisdom]

Weren't you positive i was scum until before that
How come youre not supporting its not titus and toog who are town

[Wisdom]

its not titus and toog who are town

it's just*

[Wisdom]

Thats true
Titus Id very much like that bp youre giving out now

[Wisdom]

I dont see why he couldnt in theory

In practice, he probably isnt town despite the role, so

[Wisdom]

But technically speaking, confirming others is better than confirming yourself. I wouldn't have used it on myself either

[Wisdom]

i forgot this game existed lmao

ill read later

sup

Are you going to play

[Wisdom]

I still dont see what was your issue with my start of the day

[Wisdom]

And seriously, you killed me n1 last time without even thinking about it much. You really think any scumteam kills toog over me here?

[Wisdom]

She doesnt have to say
I was just saying I want it

[Wisdom]

Tryharding vs messing around is a personality/playstyle trait rather than something dependent on alignment

[Wisdom]

How can you be here since 2003 and call this tryharding lol
This is one of the lightest content games ive been in

[Wisdom]

Why are lend and flea town?

[Wisdom]

That's really shallow

Especially in multiball where if youre scum looking town you'll just get shot by some other scumteam

[Wisdom]

I wish you'd scumhunt for specific scum motivations instead of such generic stuff

Again, how much you try or care is not alignment indicative.

[Wisdom]

Yep, that's what I said too

Pooky, Titus, Almost have the most meta with him from what I found

[Wisdom]

Why not? He was being wagoned so he might not have the chance again

[Wisdom]

Yeah they cant know for sure. I think its more likely they wanted to find out if me and Titus are town since we're most likely the strongest players here. Dunno how Toog fits in

[Wisdom]

Shouldnt it be 16 power since there are two votes that count as two

[Wisdom]

P-edit: OR the mod forgot to account for the extra vote Wisdom received. That's why I'm asking.

yeah this most likely

[Wisdom]

Well he didn't exactly stay hidden though
Which points to him wanting to get town points off it and maybe evade his lim

[Wisdom]

VOTE: bloodhail

how about now

[Wisdom]

I think that's e-1

[Wisdom]

do you want me to explain the reads i already explained to you?

I don't recall an explanation for any read, just "these people care and those don't"

[Wisdom]

Page Cop: Every night, you may target a player to find out what page in the DoAR corresponds to their alignment.

I don't understand what that means
Guillotina, looks like you designed it, explain?

[Wisdom]

Btw what's interesting is that the Page Cop's card alignment is Day Serial Killer

Which given the daykills makes me think bloodhail used it for alignment rather than role

Card here

[Wisdom]

he was saying if the statement was true

[Wisdom]

Oh yeah makes sense

[Wisdom]

gg

[Wisdom]

It wouldn't matter, our kill went through bp

[Wisdom]

I felt like Critter should have been the lim instead of me the day I died as there is absolutely no way town chooses kidnapper or that Critter understands jailkeeper out of that role pm wording, plus I was planning to truthfully claim my role and twist it as being a town motivated pick, but guess Guillo had other plans (:

[Wisdom]

and that is something my hyperactive ass cannot do.

Im pretty hyperactive and I enjoy playing scum