CONTROL - GAME OVER!

[catboi]

Nya~

Hi cuties ✾(〜 ☌ω☌)〜✾

[catboi]

I've been following along a bit because I thought the game was interesting, not fully current though so I'll need a little bit to get caught up, understand we're close to deadline but would appreciate no hammer until then~

[catboi]

Hai kittens~ You town this game?

[catboi]

syryana's popcorn n death curse get stuffed in the same locker

Yeah but this time I replace into an obvious town slot instead of lurkscum where I start picking fights just to throw people off balance

(Hi how's it going hope things are all right for you)

[catboi]

please why was peta's alt outed now i cant even meta catboi. it feels so weird to realize they are the same person i hate this.
also im not reading up atp. like ugh i just cant. i thought the day was over and i was like ok bye. but then it wasn't and now im just feeling dead yay.

-baby bear

Did you not have a read on Greeting before this?

...okay, you didn't.

How

did you not have a read on greeting?

i mean im happy the wagon is not on roden but also like i don SR ircher so its really just a ok whatever kind of vibe from me.

-baby bear

Day 1 in a 21 player game is gonna be about compromise ┐(´-｀)┌

[catboi]

oh wait wait wait wait wait wait WAIT hold the fukc up. i just skimmed dunnstrals iso.
thats scum. can we bring that wagon back please

-baby bear

Dunn's last few posts are some of the towniest posts he's ever made

[catboi]

no i didnt have a read on greeting. i wasn't reading their posts literally at all.

-baby bear

So do you not care about solving the game, or what

[catboi]

please why was peta's alt outed now i cant even meta catboi. it feels so weird to realize they are the same person i hate this.
also im not reading up atp. like ugh i just cant. i thought the day was over and i was like ok bye. but then it wasn't and now im just feeling dead yay.

-baby bear

Also I altslipped in donner party, a game you were in, you space cadet

no i didnt have a read on greeting. i wasn't reading their posts literally at all.

-baby bear

So do you not care about solving the game, or what

no im not particularly concerned with solving the whole game on day 1. im only working part time as cabd, sorry.

-baby bear

That's not what I mean but ok

I'm wondering why you are seemingly unconcerned with developing a read on someone who had been active and posting a decent level of content

[catboi]

Hai kittens~ You town this game?

Yasss.

I just been slightly under the weather, but I’m on the mend!!

Great, glad to hear it

Maybe we can be the dance masonry that never was this game (=^･^=)

[catboi]

thewayitends is probably scum simply because in a game that seems fixated on running up lurkers his name has not come up which suggests scum are more interested in pushing other targets

[catboi]

Yesss pls.

When I’m done being the solo tech + break - I’ll try to catch up. This game had to start as soon as I became symptomatic for Covid and I basically died in a ball.

So low key not scared to admit I haven’t read a damn thing :/

Not really a hard read but IMO to get your head in the game just ISO some of the lower postcount players

[catboi]

Also not really sure why Andante is getting town reads at all

[catboi]

I think Ircher is pretty much =rand but feels like scummy low impact players are distancing themselves from it which doesn't bode well for his flip. But not really worth trying to sway momentum atp

[catboi]

Other than me, who is distancing from the wagon?
Noraa hasn't but I don't really see them that way and their trejectory is sort of the opposite where they hard defended Ircher before becoming relatively bleh on them.

And that's pretty much the only other person I've seen resist it.

Response in particular was prompted by a Galron post but Grendel is doing that too and neither of them inspire warm feelings in me

[catboi]

noraa casing STD with "too towny to be town" in 1773 is pretty funny. Can't say I agree though - not like that level of depth in his reads is typical of his scum game either. Simplest answer is when a hard to read player is more involved than they typically are is that they're town and just happen to be extra motivated that game.

[catboi]

Holy crap, it's way too late to finish catching up. Stopping on page 74 now.

Had STD/mush/ceph/tet/norwee/bell as town from reading to varying degrees of confidence.

Liked three bears but honestly didn't like noraa's posts when I subbed in, Lmao. Still probably town but with reservations.

Have vague positive feelings toward toogeloo/tictac/roden, Arcade Pals wasn't hot but don't think Dunn tries to case Bell as scum here

[catboi]

thewayitends is probably scum simply because in a game that seems fixated on running up lurkers his name has not come up which suggests scum are more interested in pushing other targets

this a hot take

scum are only pushing lurkers

makes lurker push

A+ self callout

Hmm, seems I struck a nerve

[catboi]

I am Helen Marshall, a non-consecutive night friendly neighbor.

Confirmable role, I assume people are going to want to give it a day?

[catboi]

Also not really sure why Andante is getting town reads at all

I don't think their tunnel on me due to our slot voting bell "when they were leaving" is very convincing. The argument isn't good and that they haven't found anything else to talk about is bad. 3 Bears also defaults to talking about me because it feels like they have not much else to say, maybe. Bell looks scummy to me as I outlined, and yes even if you are busy Bell and putting in a different amount of effort, I feel that you are pushing me on very little with not much else for reads

I ggget what you're saying about bell but don't think it's entirely uncharacteristic for him, and, uh, his real life is kind of hell right now so I'm kind of inclined to give him a pass for that and when I looked at him there were some posts I thought were all right. I might be too attached to the idea of "Bell is psychologically incapable of posting as scum", but meh.

[catboi]

I am Helen Marshall, a non-consecutive night friendly neighbor.

Confirmable role, I assume people are going to want to give it a day?

Well they better not wait a day with ysing the role.

Shrug, if scum burn a roleblock on a friendly neighbor rather than an actual good role that's pretty stupid IMO.

I feel like scum claiming confirmable roles to stall for time has become somewhat more common than it used to be but in a 21 player game I'm not that scuffed about it and never thought the case on Ircher was all that impressive. His walls aren't that bad.

I would like to see something in the way of meaningful reads from Ircher still.

[catboi]

Caught up, will vote whoever to make an elim happen


There was some page number I tohught was classic norweegaboo-town but can't find it in his iso, not going to bother with it now

[catboi]

VOTE: tictac
I'm not opposed to Val or roden either.

Elaborate on tictac?

[catboi]

yeah definitely a confirmable role, I'm not voting ircher out, I'll deal with reads later
UNVOTE: ircher

Could be a scum neighbor as easily as a town neighbor.

Friendly neighbor is a role that mod confirms itself as town

[catboi]

VOTE: tictac
I'm not opposed to Val or roden either.

Elaborate on tictac?

I didn't hate his early posting, the back and forth with your slot actually. But I don't like that the contentious slots he's leaving open ended. What's specifically relevant now is his Ircher trajectory which goes :

Early ping/null with a downward trajectory because of It hers lack of posting (which didn't pick up) -> Ircher town because too many slots are scumreading them...ok -> wouldn't touch that wagon as it's about to flip.

But what really rubs me wrong is the posturing with the vote on Andante with nothing to back it up. As opposed to just riding his vanity wagon on std where he has at least pushed a case. It all comes off very fake. Even under the premise of compromise since it's just jumping from a nothing wagon to another nothing wagon.

I also did have the brief thought that tictac throwing mud at std might be important timing-wise on a red flip but I'd have to look back at who the leading wagon was. Or just a direct chainsaw for roden maybe.

my impression is that tictac tends to be quiet as either alignment, posts with actual content have some level of solvyness I don't hate, trajectory point is eh, could see it either way really

[catboi]

VOTE: andante

┐( ˘_˘)┌

[catboi]

rodens ehhhhhh i think roden/grendel are same alignment n i waffle back n forth on both slots when i think abt it

what do u see that makes it firmly scum play tet

It's not firm I just think their responses to pressure have been awful. I've seen the defense of them being "town can respond that way too" and it's like . . . So?

Grendel's posting has been alright and I like the way they've engaged with reads. My only real issue with the slot is their predecessor, which isn't fair to them. But I can't shake that Meg was caught scum, so you can see my dilemma. I've decided I'll give them a day to make an impression removed from Meg.

Meh, I think for Roden in particular he has a history of getting tilted at pressure as town. Ragequit the two anon dance games simply at the suggestion he was scum because he wasn't solving. He needs to, uh, not do that but ideally I'd rather just give him space and see what he does on his own rather than have him arguing endlessly with people about a read he gave in the very early game. But maybe I'm just a softy.

Of course, he can emulate that tilt as scum so it's by no means clearing but the aggrieved self-meta felt somewhat believable. The read on my slot/LLD being unaligned did feel like hot nonsense and does him no favors but like I said, don't think you're going to get anything more useful out of it.

[catboi]

i don't really understand why we're voting andante so i'm going to ask for an explanation since i assumed the ircher wagon would generate one without my asking and it didn't

places i would be happy to vote rn: grendel, roden, val, tictac

im sure there are other places i could be sold on

Openly not reading the game/doesn't care about solving, pushing easy votes, playing reactively in response to how people are reading her, doesn't seem town at all

also it's nice that i can mostly trust catboi since he replaced into a town slot.

[catboi]

Bears is town

I'm not feeling it, but I am sitting on a townlean on you, so I am willing to listen.

How do you possibly square townreading galron more than bears?

[catboi]

Little bit of research and looking back over his ISO and I kind of think Ircher is town now. (caveat being he doesn't roll scum all that often so don't have as much frame of reference as I'd like)

[catboi]

Damn. Looking that over feels terrible. Full disclosure: my reads are shit because I'm too busy thinking about the girl I'm dating to care much about the game. Don't read too hard into my reads, trust Shrike's judgement, this is its game.

Agreed, your reads are shyte.

Hey do you mind telling me whether the flavor of Ircher's claim makes sense?

[catboi]

I would expect typical pattern for a theme game is that mafia are given safe claims, would expect the game to not be breakable on flavor but wanted to check to see if the flavor passes the smell test

[catboi]

Catboi will you dance with me?!?

I would be honored to~

[catboi]

I looked up Tet's main and they're just obvious town this game

[catboi]

Can someone explain andate scum cuz she feels different than holiday party where she pinged me early game

felt like she's not really paying attention to the game and making easy pushes + has felt very reactive to other people's reads on her. But also I'm just compromising somewhere I don't townread to get a wagon before deadline.

Seems like tictac is not going anywhere. Can I interest anyone in a val or grendel wagon? I dont think andante is playing like someone concerned about their image at all.

Would not oppose grendel simply because meg's posts were obviously bad and a lot of grendel's catchup felt like someone going through the motions, scumread on norwee didn't feel like it was based on anything tangible. No strong impressions either way on Val.


(also I don't think it's alignment indicative, at all, but I think it's funny how Grendel's like "LLD's name precedes her" in his first post and then is like "buhh are you someone who does gambits and targeted mind games" like...c'mon)

[catboi]

Val just feels so unlike their usual self in this game.
Andante i think would always feel scummy, but it should be easier to tell if Val is town imo. So the fact that i can't here is not a good sign.

I don't think playing differently = scum inherently

[catboi]

Val is more than capable of writing a lot of nonsense as scum, not sure if him being muted here is owed to game size or simply trying to blend in


like I said tho, not a townread, so shrug

[catboi]

Ceph what are yr actualy reasons for scumreading val

[catboi]

if tictac is scum what's up with his random vanity vote on me

i'm not feeling val either personally

UNVOTE:

then who

[catboi]

Dunn maybe or toog

Not thrilled by either of those. I mean it's day 1 and my reads are bad, but meh. Think toog being against the grain is a towntell for him in that he's more likely to try to look town as scum. Arcade Pals posts were underwhelming but the case on Bell from dunn felt like he had ~conviction~ and all that

[catboi]

wagonomics are fake and that includes wagon composition reads

[catboi]

I started looking through both their isos, but got distracted. I'll have to pick this up tomorrow when i have some free time.

[catboi]

VOTE: grendel

will move to whatever wagon is around and high

[catboi]

Just close your eyes and yeet it

[catboi]

I think the cliff notes were something like:

MUSH --- Scum
Lambdadelta --- Town
Dunnstral --- Null
Bears --- Maybe town?
Roden --- Neutral but probably town on net
Val --- Scum
mastina --- Scum for low activity
Bell --- Null
Greeting --- Town

I have more reads, but I want to take some time to do ISOs. I've been lacking the time though. I guess this doesn't count as meaningful reads, but maybe it gives you and others a better idea of where I am at.

It does, thanks

[catboi]

LET’S GET THIS GAME OUT FROM DAY 1.
VOTE: Grendel

thank you


Like I said, just close your eyes and yeet it

[catboi]

(;´ρ`)

[catboi]

[catboi]

I don't regret killing grendel at all

[catboi]

No one cares

[catboi]

Imagine being this mad over that. There were 11 of us. Start interrogating.

We had ooo I dunno...

THREE

alternatives that were actually scummy.

and like I said, there's other concerns at the moment.

What I'm miffed about, is the "oh no look what we did, oh but we had to..!" attitude when tehre were better elimination options.

Also you want me to start revving up the interrogations I will. But remember you lot just asked for it though. I said I was going to have a look at the reason why, you're the ones on the defensive - and telling me far more than i've asked for.


-Pinkie the sinister bear.

If you want to scumhunt off it go ahead

if you want to whinge I will stop reading your posts.

[catboi]

I targeted catboi last night. Hopefully they'll confirm receipt in their next message.

I did not receive any friendly neighbor notification.

[catboi]

I would like for everyone to have a chance to post today so don't go turbo'ing anyone

[catboi]

1. Game name
   - Control
   
2. Flavor
   - The video game Control
   
3. Number of players
   - 21
   
4. Are hydras allowed (Yes/No)
   - Yes
   
5. Your modding experience
   - Defcon 5.0, TENET, Jigsaw's Revenge, The Thing Mafia, Adventure Mafia, loads of Minis, Micros and Newbies
   
6. Current modding commitments
   - Micro 1038
   
7. Reviewers
   - PookyTheMagicalBear, fferyllt
   
8. Reviewers agreed to FINAL version? (Yes/No)
   - Yes
   
9. Backup or co-mod
   - fferyllt
   
10. Backup or co-mod's experience
    - Shakespeare uPick
    
11. Backup or co-mod's commitments
    - Subreddit uPick (comod with Cabd)
    
12. Is it possible your game has any of the following: cults, mid-game alignment changes, moderator lies that cannot be reasonably anticipated (for example, Godfather, Tailor, Miller, Ninja, and mechanics like that are generally fine. Telling someone they are a reflexive doctor when they're actually a PGO is not), secret win conditions, un-divulged non-randomness in player role/alignment generation, direct moderator influence during the game? (Yes/No)
    - No

[catboi]

Andante is hunting

Debatable

[catboi]

I regret instigating this discussion now.

[catboi]

whats ur thoughts catboi

Nothing in particular. Vaguely got the feeling andante isn't scum, just wildly antitown. Fine with killing Ircher for science.

[catboi]

Andante tilting is frustrating but she is locktown for it, doubts have gone away

I do not think Roden arguing with Ircher is actually productive at all

[catboi]

Andante tilting is frustrating but she is locktown for it, doubts have gone away

I do not think Roden arguing with Ircher is actually productive at all

As a master of the fake tilt what makes their current tilt real instead of that other one.

I was actually tilted at you tho just for different reasons, I just worked myself into a shoot

But it's not in her range, the premature breakdown and randomly claiming VT just doesn't happen as scum

There's a genuine indignation to it because she gets upset at getting misread as town, she got whiny under pressure as scum in mini 2249 but it was mostly demanding people give a case on her and the like and calling their reasons garbage, I don't think it's really comparable to the outburst on the last few pages

Andante tilting is frustrating but she is locktown for it, doubts have gone away

I do not think Roden arguing with Ircher is actually productive at all

Why don't you suggest more productive activities then?

He should provide commentary on literally anyone else (you can keep doing what you're doing)

[catboi]

That game ended last month

there's more recentish stuff but in one she only posted 19 times and I'm not reading holiday dance party

I think in particular her flying off the handle at malakittens is probably not something she does as scum

[catboi]

She's also, like, never scum here if Ircher is scum, for very obvious reasons

[catboi]

why target bears

Well The Mold is a secondary antagonist in the game so it's almost assuredly malevolent meaning scum in nature meaning whatever it did to them was bad and scum doing something bad to a town player is to be expected, so...

If you mean why scum would want to do something bad to them specifically, well...

imo???? good reads, loud, hyperposts, builds good rapport w other players

+ being obvtown from all three heads to be super-duper-mega-obvtown.

Okay so if you care about that why did you hammer before Titus got a chance to post any reads

[catboi]

I guess I should've been more forthright that I actually wanted to see her reads, but

[catboi]

she outright claimed VT yesterday

[catboi]

chill we are killing thewayitends today. who did not figuratively scumclaim yesterday but LITERALLY scumclaimed yesterday.

Had to check that they even were an player in this game.
Where is this coming from?

read is posts about ircher yesterday

[catboi]

tbh i think ircher readlist is lot of nothin

i have not looked at it LOL

my recommendation for ircher's read list is that you throw it in the trash and ignore it entirely because he knew he was likely going down

[catboi]

im not going to make a lot of assumptions about flavor this game. let's just play mafia imo.

okay who's da scumz

[catboi]

im not going to make a lot of assumptions about flavor this game. let's just play mafia imo.

okay who's da scumz

whos on ur list

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I'm perfectly content to keep sheeping you and/or STD right now

[catboi]

sheeping is good tbh

[catboi]

sheeping is good tbh

baaah,

youre not sheeping tho.

Was waiting for the VC mainly

trouble is I'm okay with flipping TWIE but the people I said I'd sheep are on tictac and I don't feel like he's a great vote (I mostly buy the ascetic claim and don't think there's been super compelling reasons to vote for him?)

could follow STD on roden though

[catboi]

Every game i’ve been with Andante in they have been scum.
I’m not seeing anything different here from their scum games.
Maybe i’m just blind, but this feels completely identical.

Then you're probably biased by not seeing her town game. Which is, uh. Very erratic.

the slot's approach to ircher wagon has basically been to ask for reasons a few times and otherwise ignore it. i can see this not looking great, but i agree that the reasons offered at this time (and honestly ever) were frustratingly weak (incidentally this leads me to suspect some heavy bussing). idk whether being out of step with the hivemind like this is an issue or not. thoughts?

Meh if that's Maria posting it I could easily see her making that post as scum

[catboi]

I reread a little and my general POE is galron/ceph/roden/norwee/dunn/mastina

Hopefully a few scum in there

[catboi]

I reread a little and my general POE is galron/ceph/roden/norwee/dunn/mastina

Hopefully a few scum in there

I thought I was unlikely to be scum to you?

Opinions change

[catboi]

VOTE: mastina

shrug

[catboi]

I reread a little and my general POE is galron/ceph/roden/norwee/dunn/mastina

Hopefully a few scum in there

I thought I was unlikely to be scum to you?

Opinions change

And why is that?

Other than you taking a swing at Bell I realized I didn't have a

great

reason to townread you on rereading you and other people are townier. Some of the posts from the hydra on Ircher day 1 weren't great.

[catboi]

Flavor cop says "apparent identity" and no doubt scum are going to scan as whatever their fakeclaim is? I assume if Tet had an actual incriminating result on bears they'd have actually jumped on them rather than doing what they did

[catboi]

Why does the VC say anything about Dunn

[catboi]

the 2 major day1 pushes (ircher & mariar) were not both on scum.
that's not a thing that happens.

this is ALSO fallacious reasoning

I would like something more substantial than this

[catboi]

Why does the VC say anything about Dunn

Arcade Pals is Dunn. Their counterwagon to Ircher would reveal a bit more about the gamestate.

The VCA is odd. Why would scum go to such lengths to save a Strongman and not use it?

~Mama

Oh you said "info" not scum

I'm not going to infoyeet dunn even if he's in my POE


Scum were likely looking to use the janitor, not the strongman. strongman kill is only useful if there's a consensus protection target

[catboi]

My general thesis for today is that bussing works because people are afraid to punish it. In a large game, day 1 wagons on scum are always filthy. The likeliest places for scum are people who were either unnaturally confident in Ircher flipping scum or people who resisted the wagon early but hopped on late.

[catboi]

The likeliest places for scum are people who were either unnaturally confident in Ircher flipping scum

I agree with this

I still think there wasn't a very strong reason to be pushing Ircher on day 1, but IIRC people were acting like it was obvious and I didn't want to vote that

That's also why I think it's unfair for you to say my hydra had "bad" posts towards Ircher, I assume you're talking about the post where we say there wasn't a good reason to vote Ircher and instead voted Roden?

Yeah it was that post

in a sense I realize that comes across as me working both sides w/r/t to Ircher but I have to consider multiple angles and it felt like a post Maria might make about a scumbuddy, shrug

focus right now would be moreso on like mastina/norwee/roden though

[catboi]

Dunn/catboi, Thoughts on Toog?

Gtg

~Mama

I very slightly think him barely even trying is closer to town meta but not solid on it

[catboi]

What slots are scummy for you STD.

Bell, you, mastina, roden, malakittens, dunnstral, toog are all slots i'd like to look into more before i consider flipping cephrir

something something mastina being confident and correct on a day 1 scumread is probably in and of itself damning for her

[catboi]

we need a flavor claim from bears. did we get that

No you didnt, a "side eye" isn't going to extract one either.

Mush could push for one, but I also trust Shrike to actually think this bit through.

Either way, anyone else been Mold'd?

_Pinkie the Zombie Bear

I assume if someone else was targeted they'd claim it

[catboi]

My general thesis for today is that bussing works because people are afraid to punish it. In a large game, day 1 wagons on scum are always filthy. The likeliest places for scum are people who were either unnaturally confident in Ircher flipping scum or people who resisted the wagon early but hopped on late.

i agree so who are these people

Names in the POE who fit that bill would be mastina/norwee/roden. You plausibly as a late bus but I don't really care to pursue that right now. Would rather purge any of those first three names

[catboi]

Because we were waiting for another replacement and the thought of waiting another couple days for an way too long day 1 to continue was unbearable. I also hammered an slot i strongly scumread so didn’t really care for an claim at that point.

Cephrir might be scum.

Dunn Toog NorwegianboyEE Cephrir

Thoughts Catboi?

~Mama

Those are all PoE ames for me, though probably not a coherent team. I didn't particularly care for the confidence norwee had on the ircher scumread on day 1 based on the evidence he was putting forth as well as the fact that he was preflipping people with Ircher.

[catboi]

What slots are scummy for you STD.

Bell, you, mastina, roden, malakittens, dunnstral, toog are all slots i'd like to look into more before i consider flipping cephrir

something something mastina being confident and correct on a day 1 scumread is probably in and of itself damning for her

I think my interactions with Ircher are pretty damn clearing.
If i’m scum with Ircher i would both buss harder, and not do dumb things that would get me scumread. Such as unvoting because of an claim.
It was an honest belief that Ircher could be town that lead me to not just condemn the slot.
Honestly these scumreads on me are stupid.

I wasn't talking about you in that post

[catboi]

Also i don’t understand the Mastina reads. Can someone elaborate that?
Scum because their day 1 tunnel flipped scum? What the fuck?

LLD would understand

[catboi]

VOTE: Roden

me, might ass well move somewhere that might get actual support

[catboi]

pls stop not voting for bears we can do that later but this is happening if i have even a shred of influence in this town

I don't think the bears are scum

[catboi]

i feel like scum ceph would just

not

do what he's doing right now

sigh yes probably

[catboi]

Bears can maybe be re-examined down the line but i don't think any of the heads are playing like they would as scum + their reactions to thinking they were poisoned and going to die day 2 felt pretty damn genuine and not like something they'd bother faking as scum

[catboi]

I mean if this day phase results in annoying ceph eough that I start townreading him I think it's productive

[catboi]

i'm pretty sure by personality the bears are going to be stubborn as fuck and would specifically refuse to claim even if they got run up

[catboi]

And like, even if they are scum. Why not just claim? The flavor cop is dead.

i agree, unless they are concerned that i have something, which i do

You got nothing xD this is amazing :3

-Pinkie

this is such a nonsense take as to defy belief.

i think you feel you need to project this obviously nonsense opinion to gain a benefit.

have you encountered flea before

[catboi]

this is such a nonsense take as to defy belief.

i think you feel you need to project this obviously nonsense opinion to gain a benefit.

have you encountered flea before

a little, but not much

doubling down out of spite is basically the expected behavior here.

if we push them to E-1 they will respond by being petulant and refusing to comply

I would like this diversion to be over. we can go through the rigamarole to get what you want, which will produce the exact outcome I have predicted above, if necessary

[catboi]

VOTE: bears

okay whatever

For the record, this is purely so ceph can get whatever he wants from a flavor claim and the discussion can move somewhere productive

E-3

[catboi]

apologies for holding the gamestate hostage, wasn't the objective

I do not attribute the blame solely to you

[catboi]

Hmm... Mush thinking i'm deepwolf implies he thinks i'm doing really well as either alignment. So that's an nice compliment if nothing else.
Hey Mush, you want to vote somewhere in Andante or Dunnstral/Toog? I think that's where we should be looking now. None of this infighting shit.

Or bring up "PoE" that just look like someone took an gander at the low posters pool and decided to scumread all of them.

fucking lol

[catboi]

mastina seems like a weird target for a scum ability

mastina's read accuracy is as expected

I recommend calling the bluff

[catboi]

i wonder if mastina is just scum

I don't think mastina is tbh

that almost certainly confirms it

[catboi]

i wonder if mastina is just scum

I don't think mastina is tbh

that almost certainly confirms it

lol real convincing case I know XD

I'm saying you going long post = town is a bad way of reading people that is frequently wrong

[catboi]

This game feels like a loss

[catboi]

This game feels like a loss

so it's not mastina ircher ceph?

oh you were actually suggesting mastina/ceph together? lol

I think that's not super likely

[catboi]

well anyone who was suspecting andante can go home now at least

[catboi]

I still dont really think andante is scum sorry

Her bothering to make that case is extremely +town and mush's response here isn't great

[catboi]

why is only mush's response "not great"?

-noraa

because you're annoying but not scum but I don't get the sense mush is making an honest assessment of motivations anymore

[catboi]

I still dont really think andante is scum sorry

Her bothering to make that case is extremely +town and mush's response here isn't great

like what is town there. tell me what is town abt it. cuz it smells fishy.

"fishy" how? Because she made a read you disagree with? she's putting in a signficantly greater deal of reasoning than you right now where your stances seem purely reactive

The level of actually bothering to analyze anything is something she doesn't bother with as scum, certainly not to push a wild mastina/ceph theory

[catboi]

yeah I hate mafia I'm not bothering with this right now

[catboi]

VOTE: roden

whatever

I am probably going to prodge and vote any wagon that reaches sufficient size

[catboi]

are you reading the game at all

[catboi]

Yes, the game thread is shit and is in all likelihood already in a loss state for town and as such my desire to put anything forward is at a minimum

[catboi]

Yes, the game thread is shit and is in all likelihood already in a loss state for town and as such my desire to put anything forward is at a minimum

Alternatively you can actually come play the game and drop dragging down the rest of us here who are confident in a town win and trying to solve.

I'm letting you steer the game, have fun solving it, which I'm sure you're doing great at

[catboi]

It's not like we have to be spiteful in games of mafia all the time.

you're still scum

[catboi]

anyway it's their show, they can run it like I said

[catboi]

VOTE: dunn

as promised

3/5

[catboi]

I'm fine with letting the claim sit, bears are going to bellyache until they get their elimination on dunn so I'd rather get it over with

4/5

[catboi]

I'm fine with letting the claim sit, bears are going to bellyache until they get their elimination on dunn so I'd rather get it over with

4/5

and to be clear dunn's not a townread of mine so w/e

[catboi]

just give the bears their bag

nothing else in the game is worth commenting on

[catboi]

Ircher calls 3 of 4 flipped town, scum.
It's highly likely that neutral scum is all town though if there was one that wasn't, i'd say it's mastina since I have also heard massy is more inactive as scum. I think neutral town is all town.
So the whole scum team is in leaning town, null and the people not put in the list.

-noraa

Ircher knew he was going down at this point and that post is pure unadulterated wifom and should be ignored

this is the only correct stance on the matter

also preflipping people as green is LMAO

[catboi]

is dunn hammered yet

[catboi]

UNVOTE:

w/e

[catboi]

VOTE: dunnstral

[catboi]

he literally didn't even mention val once this game

[catboi]

uhhh i struggle believing that claim too but that hammer was still too rushed. maybe im just too paranoid. oh well its too late i guess.

-noraa

I neighborized the vig night 1, it's not dunn

[catboi]

I'm just going to let the bears lead because clearly I can't read for shit

[catboi]

well uh bell and mush are dead so ig reads there confirmed. i dont feel good that my reads haven't been shit like what on earth is going on. what the actual shit.
but anyways catboi please come back. you're literally our top TR rn. please tell us your thoughts.

There is actually literally 0 reason you should rely on me for reads even if you think I'm town, given I directed the big to a very bad hero shot. You led the charge on dunn where I was hesitant, I don't have ideas

[catboi]

I'm pretty sure andante is blatantly in town meta + looks unpartnered with dunn on a quick glace but is also prone to chasing whatever car happens to drive by

[catboi]

well uh bell and mush are dead so ig reads there confirmed. i dont feel good that my reads haven't been shit like what on earth is going on. what the actual shit.
but anyways catboi please come back. you're literally our top TR rn. please tell us your thoughts.

There is actually literally 0 reason you should rely on me for reads even if you think I'm town, given I directed the big to a very bad hero shot. You led the charge on dunn where I was hesitant, I don't have ideas

well dunn is someone i've had a good track record reading. but beyond that, the rest of my reads are pretty much just like 50% reflections of the reads i read, 30% my hydra and 20% me. i literally dont have good reads please.

Aren't there three people in there

[catboi]

have Titus do some VCA or something

[catboi]

kind of felt okay about ictac based on how he handled his claim but don't have strong reason to clear, wouldn't actually be opposed to voting him given he notably opposed the votes on ircher and arcade/dunn

[catboi]

the idea that scum have an ability that essentially townfirms its target would have to be wildly, game-alteringly strong. And there's still no reason scum wouldn't be able to bluff by claiming they were molded. Although I don't really support voting any molded claim today.

[catboi]

VOTE: tictac

[catboi]

tictac shows up and visibly has no interest in finding scum and is engaging in baseless spec on the mold instead

[catboi]

tictac is at E-2

not opposed to voting ceph at some point

[catboi]

andante was going after arcade hard on day 1 and isn't typically a busser

[catboi]

having a short attention span is well within her townrange

[catboi]

no lol

[catboi]

UNVOTE:

just to avoid any possibility of shenanigans

[catboi]

i mean it just seems like you SR low posting slots but theres no way thats actually the solve right? it would be insane if it were.

It would not be the first time a scum team has put in no effort

[catboi]

dunn "dunked" on ircher and ircher flipped scum. like i dont think wifom is the way to go here.

He very pointedly did not, actually. That was part of why people were willing to vote him.

[catboi]

can we do some analysis today instead of running headlong into whatever shiny object

My analysis is that I think tictac is scummy especially with how he has chosen to post today

[catboi]

ur at -100 net points rn fenny

VOTE: catboi

[catboi]

Genuinely I'm scumreading you so hard now I'd biasclear Tictac for your tunnel.

-This and last is the Pinkie Brain

that would be very dumb and emotional play

[catboi]

I'd also like to mention galron as someone worth voting. I thought one of the bear heads was shielding him for something role related but then titus mentioned him as a suspect so I guess not.

[catboi]

v funny antispew

[catboi]

mmm Galron feels slightly more evil today but idk why.

His recent string of posts aren't good

[catboi]

VOTE: Galron

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I am pointedly avoiding doing analysis here because I feel it is likely to be unhelpful

[catboi]

You can trust me to be town.

There is no particular reason whatsoever to believe I am more likely to be accurate.

[catboi]

I like what andante is doing

[catboi]

I do not care at all how he played in other games, I'm looking at this game, and this game alone. nothing he has done even resembles town, and just feels like overwhelmed lost scum

And here on day 5 he feels too frozen, like "tictac maf" is kinda all he'll say, we have 2 kills happening, Ircher spewed Bell town, and MUSH was very towny so I don't think town had a shot there, yet Galron is like "yall are gonna vote in us 2? not me." all game he's just said "tictac maf" no reasoning, Galron is not town, and you calling him lock town off meta??? like what even??

This is only marginally related, but if Bell was spewed town and Mush was "very towny", why did the Vig shoot one of them? Like I agree they were both townie before the flip, but why are both dead?

vig is not town aligned? easy answer

If that's true, Catboi claims to have Neighborized the Vig.

@Catboi:

Has the Vig explained their kill choice in your hood chat? Do you think they actually are the Vig or is it possible that they're 3P? Can you also have them clarify who they shot?

Sigh.

I talked the vig into it because I thought MUSH's posts about Dunn were bad. There's your answer. I think there's no chance of there being a 3rd party. Vig is obviously gated and I wouldn't expect a SK to be.

[catboi]

16:5 would be the standard expectation unless mafia somehow had extra power but it doesn't feel that way

[catboi]

Just vote Galron, thanks

[catboi]

Like this is all really sudden and makes it seem like Galron never intended to share any of his findings until he got cornered.
I'd think town!him would play off the ability he has differently. Right now he just seems like an shifty informer. And that's why i think this flips scum. Anyway i think that was the hammer, i'm open to being proved wrong. But pretty sure it's red.

Would have said the same, the roles in this game have all been fairly standard, something like that just seems outrageous

[catboi]

I apologize for my complete lack of interest in this game and resultant bad play. Shouldn't have joined to begin with.