CONTROL - GAME OVER!

[Cephrir]

sigh. ceph i really dont trust you this game.

i had noticed

every flipped town has called you scum and somehow you're alive in elo. i really dont think you're town here.

this isn't true. catboi and std werent particularly suspicious of me, toog thinks i'm town, twie/galron barely gave any reads at all, nor were most of the elimed town players. it's just mush, bell, and you've blown up lld & tet's few posts on the subject in your head imo

also, we can TALK TO THE DEAD and no one is in there screaming to kill me!!!

[Cephrir]

sigh. ceph i really dont trust you this game.

i had noticed

every flipped town has called you scum and somehow you're alive in elo. i really dont think you're town here.

this isn't true. catboi and std werent particularly suspicious of me, toog thinks i'm town, twie/galron barely gave any reads at all, nor were most of the elimed town players. it's just mush, bell, and you've blown up lld & tet's few posts on the subject in your head imo

also, we can TALK TO THE DEAD and no one is in there screaming to kill me!!!

catboi was checked out. ok for std
toogs reads are terrible. you said so yourself earlier i believe
twie and galron were flashwagoned for being low content basically?

mush, bell, lld, and tet is plenty.

i mean you said every flipped town hated me. i have provided a rebuttal. and again, lld stopped talking about me and tet made literally 1 post about it and has communicated with us postmortem without mentioning me.

[Cephrir]

LLD's name alone is enough of a reason to nightkill her, incidentally.

[Cephrir]

and again, tet was probably killed for claiming a power role. this isn't new, but you keep falling back to this same old refrain and that's frustrating.

[Cephrir]

Most players who have played for the length Cephrir has will have their meta shift, but in the case of Cephrir, I genuinely just don't think his scumplay HAS shifted from my model.

it has changed a great deal as anyone who plays with me regularly could tell you, but you don't care because you're scum

[Cephrir]

Because you don't respect my towngame?

You genuinely see it as no threat; why the fuck would you ever kill me when you think my towngame is a joke?

I can be a nuisance to you when scumreading you; I can be annoying to you when I scumread you. But in your eyes I am not a threat to you.

i guess i have to concede this one

[Cephrir]

...I still come back to scum because who else could be scum if not you, Ceph?

when your reasons for townreading the people you townread are "i just can't see them as scum here," i'm not really left with any room to make any argument. i can't point out where you are going wrong because you can't or won't say where you are going at all

[Cephrir]

Most players who have played for the length Cephrir has will have their meta shift, but in the case of Cephrir, I genuinely just don't think his scumplay HAS shifted from my model.

it has changed a great deal as anyone who plays with me regularly could tell you, but you don't care because you're scum

like i can link you some recent games if you care

i just don't think that's the case

[Cephrir]

to be clear, i'm not saying my scumgame doesn't still sound town; it does

my town game has improved. i bleed town all over the place either way these days

[Cephrir]

VOTE: no lim

objectively correct

[Cephrir]

I hate the no lim

bc all of what is going to happen is i'm going to die

and you'll STILL be in this same situtation

WITH LEGIT NO RESULT

SO NO

WE
ARE
NOT
NO
LIMMING

Eh, alright

UNVOTE:

[Cephrir]

i think we all agree tictac and andante are scum

next time i want to post i'll just shout into an empty void instead, the effect will be similar

Your toxicity is really beginning to grate on me.

-Pinkie

This isn't toxic

[Cephrir]

i dont understand why mala was the nk.

who says she was?

Says the BG invention and dead fruit vendor in a game with unknown multitasking rules.

I dont follow

Why can't he have BGed someone else

[Cephrir]

Are all of the slots voting no lim afraid to have an stance today?

I think I've made my stance pretty clear dude

But if it needs to be clearer, VOTE: tictac

[Cephrir]

I'm willing to keep trying but that feels like my only realistic shot at an elim that isnt you right now

[Cephrir]

btw @bears i was saying i don't understand why you're saying part of your role is redacted. i dont understand what that means. are you just refusing to claim it or am i missing something

[Cephrir]

btw @bears i was saying i don't understand why you're saying part of your role is redacted. i dont understand what that means. are you just refusing to claim it or am i missing something

the role pm says we are enabling [REDACTED]
its just the flavor of the game.
we all know catboi was a vig now because he flipped but we didnt know that when we got the role pm.
is something unclear

Got it

[Cephrir]

Since open 842 is now over I can point at my scum play there. It was very apathetic. Not that its impossible I was trying my ass off in one game and not trying at all in another as the same alignment but, draw your own conclusion I guess.

[Cephrir]

Since open 842 is now over I can point at my scum play there. It was very apathetic. Not that its impossible I was trying my ass off in one game and not trying at all in another as the same alignment but, draw your own conclusion I guess.

Elaboration- I have drawn scum a truly absurd amount in the past year and I'm experiencing heavy fatigue around playing scum

I don't think I could have mustered the amount of energy ive had here

[Cephrir]

Read my iso I've been scumhubting all game. That's pretty unfair!

At the moment I'm lost on how to do more. I've already taken my shot at figuring out flipped scum interactions, and I didnt get much/what I did come up with convinced nobody. I don't know how I'm supposed to take down mastina when my case is "she doesnt do anything" and she already has massive townreads for that for some reason. I feel like my reasons for townreading the people I'm townreading are fine so idk what would be wrong with my poe.

[Cephrir]

It's harder to keep an appearance of solving in ElO.

You said "what have you done" not "what have you done today"

I'm already sick of moving goalposts from dealing with bears, I dont need it from you too

[Cephrir]

Completely lost it's meaning when it was revealed STD had a bodyguard shot.

I'm aware of that thank you.

[Cephrir]

Like all you do today from ur ISO is lamist, AtE, berate other players for not townreading you and "not listening" etc.

It's true, though. How am I meant to convince anyone of anything when so many players are automatically set against whatever I say. Would you be excited to solve in this situation?

[Cephrir]

I genuinely would have a better shot preventing andante's elim by arguing she is scum than by arguing she is town. Oh hey, explaining my townread there is something I have done today, would you look at that.

[Cephrir]

in addition to the dunn thing, the super erratic and off the cuff way andante has played the entire game makes me think she is town

U call this an explanation?

yes

is your reading for townreading mastina better than this?

[Cephrir]

it was like "vote whoever in galron/tictac" then "get toog" and now it's "get andante!!"

yeah, if people think *i've* avoided the elim all game and that's suspicious, idk what to tell them about tictac

[Cephrir]

ordinarily i would say you have to be solving it not just voting whoever, but as this increasingly just looks like an L, i guess you can do whatever you want

[Cephrir]

honestly Cephrir, are you gonna be mad if I just self so this game ends? cause everyone supposedly SRs me and no one wants to vote, there’s no point in sitting here 7 more IRL days… of this…

id prefer that you make them own it, but i don't really get mad about mafia unless there's a personal attack involved

[Cephrir]

VOTE: mastina

Hi.

~Mama

AND MY AXE! ... except i saw the most recent page and now know this might not be serious. plz clarify.

That's the main draw from my VCA.

mastina is the only possible scum on too many wagons.

well, it's nice to see vca arbitrarily landing on the side of justice for once, but here's my token grumbling about it anyway just to get on the record that it's not only when it comes for me that i do said grumbling.

Can you like actually explain why.
You know i'm pretty deeply pocketed if Mastina is scum right? So are you going to explain further why Mastina has to be scum here or just expect all town to sheep you for no reason.
Cus if that's all you got then i'm pretty sure i won't vote Mastina.

pocketed or her partner uwu

why are they obligated to explain why mastina is scum but you townreading her for no reason is fine.

i don't think anyone is expecting or looking for your vote there. i'm certainly not planning on getting it

[Cephrir]

can you explain it in a way that anyone besides you could understand

[Cephrir]

@Cephrir, Why are you scumreading mastina? Sorry if I missed it.

~Mama

-her reads have been incredibly sticky. They have essentially not changed since page 5. This is my biggest issue.
-she has pushed a nothing/crap case on me for the entire game and can neither explain nor reevaluate. She has made no real effort to engage me or to make this supposed case understandable to anyone else because it's baseless and she knows it.
-she has skated by despite this not particularly town behavior with no one seriously pushing her

[Cephrir]

I’m a very subjective player.
And the greatest strenght of town is that they KNOW that they are town.
I can see that Mastina does not make sense as scum here, they just don’t.
But know who does? andante.

It's like there are two of her

[Cephrir]

Mastina should not be the priority today

Why not?

This is something mastina said, and there was no reason for it then either. Why are you parroting this?

[Cephrir]

i am noticing a pattern today wherein you and mastina are moving in lockstep, yes.

[Cephrir]

but sure, let's just call my concerns slimy in the hopes no one else will engage with critical thought! i think it's pretty weird that both you and she are now pushing a narrative of "let's worry about mastina later", for no good reason in either case, and i believe it's because the andante elim wins you the game

VOTE: mastina

[Cephrir]

Me and Mastina has been walking in step for almost the entire game, but let's say: "it's an pattern today"
Have you been blind or something to only point it out today.

weird brag but ok

[Cephrir]

if there's such a good reason to worry about mastina later, i'm sure one of you can surely provide it

[Cephrir]

how did i scum claim? you just don't want to answer my questions because you don't have shit lmao

[Cephrir]

how did i scum claim? you just don't want to answer my questions because you don't have shit lmao

If my read on Mastina is wrong, prove me wrong.
I have read Mastina correctly and Mastina has read me correctly in every single game we have had.
You stating my read is fake is just an excuse for you to make bullshit associations so you don't need to scum case Mastina yourself.

this is mafia proof doesn't exist

but i... literally just explained my read... which you still refuse to do... i don't think anyone is gonna buy this my dude

[Cephrir]

I know you must think i'm easy to use as an tool for your agenda, but this is how i work. I soulread Mastina as town here and i do not think they flip scum, ever.
And if Mastine being scum is based on me being scum then i know for absolutely sure it's bullshit because i am town.

norwe: parrots all mastina's opinions and even really specific stances, can't explain why
also norwe: omg ceph's agenda to pair us!!!

[Cephrir]

Why are you saying i haven't explained my reads when i did, multiple times?

show me

[Cephrir]

Ceph, if you think Mastina and Norwee are scum, then from your perspective the third scum would have to be Andante because of the votes. You and Andante were both voting Tictac for awhile, yet there was no quick hammer. If the third scum was anyone else, the quick hammer would've been coordinated by now. That can't happen though if the third scum is already voting there.

couldn't it be tictac?

[Cephrir]

im not convinced this actually helps in any way but i can't see a downside so sure why not

[Cephrir]

Ceph, if you think Mastina and Norwee are scum, then from your perspective the third scum would have to be Andante because of the votes. You and Andante were both voting Tictac for awhile, yet there was no quick hammer. If the third scum was anyone else, the quick hammer would've been coordinated by now. That can't happen though if the third scum is already voting there.

couldn't it be tictac?

That's true actually, it could be Tictac. Would that be your solve then? Norwee/Mastina/Tictac?

that is currently my solve, yes.

[Cephrir]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Cephrir]

ehhhh yeeting me ends the game... unless there's only 2 scum left... tbh 2 scum is our only shot at winning this at this point

if you are really town, then we deserve to lose this for leaving you alive until elo. tictac as well. anyone else is more understandable but this elo is just really unfortunate

this is a pretty silly take. leaving town players alive isnt a mistake

[Cephrir]

anyway, gg, whoever

[Cephrir]

ehhhh yeeting me ends the game... unless there's only 2 scum left... tbh 2 scum is our only shot at winning this at this point

if you are really town, then we deserve to lose this for leaving you alive until elo. tictac as well. anyone else is more understandable but this elo is just really unfortunate

this is a pretty silly take. leaving town players alive isnt a mistake

yeah it is if the town players in question are tictac and andante. like that is a game losing elo period.

You're wrong

It's your job as a town aligned player to suss out even the harder to read town players

Also, much the same could be said about grendel and galron... from this lov we might as well give up before the game starts

[Cephrir]

ceph is going to look extra terrible after this scum flip tbh. oh well thats a problem for another day

I don't think theres going to be an after

[Cephrir]

I'm moldy.

[Cephrir]

how the fuck did that flip town. sigh. alright.

-noraa

It's because I'm right about the game state and you're pocketed!

I do have to figure out which of my SRs is wrong now though.

[Cephrir]

there really is only two scum left. interesting. anyways i'll be back after a concert. im busy rn.

-noraa

So it's just Ceph/Tictac, then.

Imagine reading yesterday and showing up to today still unironically peddling this dreck.

[Cephrir]

I'm moldy.

What did it say in ur role pm.

assuming you didn't mean to say role pm, and paraphrasing, i failed to do what i was told and consumed mold, which caused infection.

[Cephrir]

there really is only two scum left. interesting. anyways i'll be back after a concert. im busy rn.

-noraa

So it's just Ceph/Tictac, then.

Imagine reading yesterday and showing up to today still unironically peddling this dreck.

I mean.

What makes that not be the team?

A vote on Tictac that we now know was not during Mylo?

me doing everything in my power to avoid a town elim?

[Cephrir]

why would i bus tictac in that situation? it would be suicide

[Cephrir]

the mold thing makes me think we probably don't want to nolim.

[Cephrir]

i don't think we should be clearing anyone based on mold status anyway or factoring it into our elim choice

[Cephrir]

why would i bus tictac in that situation? it would be suicide

Could you explain this a little more? If you and Tictac were both scum and you bussed them, I feel certain you would be guaranteed to at least reach ELo. Andante and I already town read you to begin with, I don't see how you get voted out there.

Everyone but you two was already preflipping me with him. I cant see how i could have reasonably expected to survive 2 days

[Cephrir]

if there's a 3p, we might still be able to win depending on what their win condition actually is

if they win and leave the game when everyone is moldy, we're fine as long as we don't nolim

[Cephrir]

is there any chance the game is just x vs 4? maybe the remaining scum have good roles. it's hard to imagine what mold does in that case though... maybe it lets them track everyone forever, like notty's role in bloodstained? that would be pretty good

hell, maybe there's a traitor and today is all but a foregone conclusion, but we should probably assume that's not the case

[Cephrir]

I've been there.

Feel like i get to feel a little vindicated even if I do that this game since andante would be alive if I had it my way

[Cephrir]

Some rereading is def in order. I should stop being lazy too.

[Cephrir]

False assumptions may have led to the Toog/Andante mislims, but those two flipping town does not mean the poe in of itself was wrong. It just meant that we had faulty assumptions that led us to eliminate the town in the PoE first, before the scum. But the PoE basically can't be wrong.

"This thing that didnt work 3 times is guaranteed to work this time for sure! Don't worry town, no need to reevaluate!"

[Cephrir]

That in of itself is arguably TMI.

This is a laughable excuse to continue to push the same crap.

[Cephrir]

harebrained theory:

tet claimed to be roleblocked. as far as i'm aware, we have seen no further evidence a roleblocker exists.

tet targeted bears early on, while they were moldy.

what if the effect of mold is "players who target moldy targets are roleblocked the following night" ? is there anything that disproves this?

[Cephrir]

i'm starting to think galron has just stopped playing.

[Cephrir]

i didn't go into this with an agenda and intending to produce a case, moreso just to do some research with an open mind as part of my goal to figure out who is town in tictac/mastina/norwe, but i mostly came up with negatives so i guess it ended up looking a little case-y. still, if ur wondering why i bothered to post positives it's because i'm not cherry picking to arrive at a particular conclusion.

Proxy my vote to: Lady Lambdadelta

I'll vote whoever LLD does (even if it's me).

Peace offering: I promise never to vote LLD prior to D5-at-earliest (barring guilties on her). I reserve right to state suspicion, but promise not to act on it, and the proxy vote is proof of commitment to this promise.

u guys got beef?

i'm ascetic.

this would be a surprising first post from a slot that is scum with mastina (which has been my leading theory). it seems to be aimed at creating drama & inviting LLD to do her anti-mastina spiel.

greet: i don't hate the T3 vote
ceph vs roden: revisionist history just people being people, but standand fare 4 what folks think are "smoking guns" on day 1.
irceher: dunno. did ping early on, but could be playstyle and now gone quiet.
std: looks town -> is scum. sad bell went back on this. i don't think town std is this opinionated. lean read cause the reason is a bit silly.

makes pretty insubstantial & flimsy excuses for ircher while offering real analysis of other stuff.

i don't buy that std believes the populist crap he's pushing. he is the kind of player who does not make reads easily because "is this AI" is a consideration. all i'm reading from him is "is this a thing i can push and people will agree". like looking 4 logical inconsisteency. many folks i'd buy this approach as honest, from std, no.
VOTE: STD
#hereisurthunder.

add galron to my scumlist also 4 the line of questioning that starts w 884. like what else is emotion-read based off on than tone ever? predestined ending to the line and it went nowheree. classic fake curiosity.

too much consensus on irch
too much consensus on arcane

this post is the only instance i could really find of tictac making any serious push in the entire game. it also offers excuses for scum, and part of that ("too much consensus on arcade") i don't think was even fair at the time, but i will admit i have not rigorously fact checked this. i'll also take this opportunity to point out my observation that the only time tictac has voted for scum was after dunnstral effectively claimed scum. i don't think it's possible he has voted for any alive scum either - i don't think he has voted for any currently living player at any point, despite his longstanding concerns about mastina

too much consensus on irch

Then what is your explanation for him not being dead yet?

folks don't die from mean looks.
could be wrong on my read on thread temp, but don't currently think so

i might want to give town points for this post? it's hard, albeit possible, to come off this chill and whatever about a partner's wagon imo

opposed to gendel yeet 4 what it's worth

this post has no chance of stopping the grendel yeet -- why not make a real push back if this is where your head is?

yea, still don't think day 1 is shaped like this w ircher-scum

VOTE: andante
this is okay as far as compromise goes tho. lets see if it has legs.

i am beginning to think it's strange that we haven't killed this slot yet. i would have liked to see some backup for this thought, because without that i just see doubtcasting

RB existence in 20p game p much a given imo.
why not just kill town irch here tho?
p sure he wasn't the nk target cause then they don't use a block on him. (unless catboy suicidal!scum or jailed block on town!irch existed both super unlikely)
still don't really scumread him outside of the claims stuff, and also not inclined to go 4 info-yeet. dunno.

bears-stuff: having a role reason to ask 4 info is pretty standard and i'd be inclined to cooperate w such. generally best practice to let folks play their own prs like they will and if later on turns out the reasoning was insufficient that is an issue for then.

pedit: wot norw: u finnish? i thought u were from norway or some such.

for someone detached from the game, tictac sure has time to defend ircher

good thing about being ascetic is i'm always the yeet at some point down the line, so might as well argue when people try to do dumb fast-yeets.
not a mold. i do have a theory tho. have u given up on getting claims?

okay, but where has this supposed aruing against fast yeets happened? one post weakly objecting to the grendel elim does not count. also, the rest of this iso isn't consistent with the opinion that ascetics should always die -- i think it's mentioned in other places, but i don't really see that reflected in the play. what i would expect is hard pushing reads. fwiw, i don't agree that ascetics should always die, but that isn't really the point.

ur optimism about the general reads of this town never ceases to amaze me.

the reason this post might be significant is that it's on day 2. at this point, a) ircher is clearly being at least run up today, so it's effectively anti-that elim, and b) we don't have enough flips yet to be able to say whether town has accurate reads this game, so how would anyone know that?

actually flavorclaiming might be a thing that matters.
i'm benicoff tv.

i don't think you've ever explained the flavor reason for this being an ascetic. would you care to? also did toog ever weigh in on this?

i dunno what does help town here tho.
i'd argue more if i disagreed more.
@bell

Do you not see anything odd that you have nothing better to say than, “ I wish people would stop misspelling my name, “I’m not sure about this guys” on world and obvious emotional nonchalance?

s odd that noone seriously pushed 4 my lim when ircher was on the block, but std already posted about there likely being bussing going on w that wagon. As for looking town, i'm not actually convinced that getting rid of the neg-util isn't the smart move here.

i guess the idea here is that being an ascetic is supposed to excuse not scumhunting? that doesn't really make sense to me. if you think you're going to be a required elim by endgame, shouldn't you be trying to have MORE impact on town's decisions now, with no fear of being NKed if you're right?

the 2 major day1 pushes (ircher & mariar) were not both on scum.
that's not a thing that happens.

this speaks for itself

my solve 4 today is galron.

this doesn't come with any reason. i think by this point if scum tictac is no longer trying to survive the game and might just be lazily happy to vote whatever townie. i think town with seemingly numbered days at this point should be pushing their scumread (mastina)

o come on now. we don't have 2 neighborizers. catboy is the vig hiding behind tissue paper.
this doesn't have to be rocket science, let's just yeet someting and let him shoot.

im hardly the first to say so, but there is 0 town motivation for this post

hokay. was waiting 4 massclaim to finish, but i guess i should go into why.

I'm Casper Darling. I am a 2-shot Hedron Resonance Amplifier Researcher. Non-lethal hostile actions used against me or a person whom I target to give one of my shots to, will consume a charge, and that action will not succeed. My assumption is that it is an anti-blocker power, but I think it pretty much works on any hostile action that isn't lethal. I gave one to LLD on Night 1, and my other charge I was holding was consumed last night. The shot lasts until it is consumed. I was trying to feign power early by dropping Jesse Faden quotes to draw scum actions against me, and figured holding a charge would let me know if it ever worked. I didn't really know who else to use it on since there weren't many open claims on the table.

so implication is u getting molded and it not working?
thing is i don't think inventor-types get to use their own shots usually.
also a shot being consumed not something i'd expect u to be informed about if u have this role. i mean presumably lld would not have been informed if targeted?
also consumes a shot if u target someone else, whether or not it does anything or not, AND consumes a charge on u ONLY when it does something? seems asymmetrical.
looked at control wiki a bit and i do think HRAs would be a thing and nobody else claiming anything related to that so the flavor works v well, but mech is wonky. safeclaims would be chosen by cakes so don't think u being a flavor-person is super relevant.

if anyone has counterexamples of the mech-points (games where similar role worked as toog describes) hearing about those would be good.

so yeah i wanna finish the massclaims to see if there's an alt explanation 4 the missing mold, and get an idea of the balance of the game before committing to yeeting, but u could be fakeclaiming.

it's curious to me that talking about the mold is something that can draw tictac's attention back to the game when he's been pretty checked out.

In that game, by the time I subbed in, there were three wagons on scum and none were on town. My team begged me to bus to try and go deep.

On Day 1, the two major wagons that didn't go through were on Ircher and Dunn.

~Mama

yeah. i was hoping 4 insight into how such a situation comes about in the first place.
just a case of townies having supernatural reads or did the scumteam go hard-in into crossbussing at get-go and succeed too well or what.
if there was an explanation maybe something similar happened here.

pro: this is a brave post to make as scum
con: the reason it would be brave is that it kinda reads as salty about the team being caught for the wrong reasons. kinda makes me think that if it does flip scum, we're kinda on the right track and scum think they are going to lose.

also, curious where the idea about scum cross-bussing comes from. like who specifically is doing this and why is that a leading theory? because ircher/dunn didn't really bus each other much.

so scumz declined the mystery-box of super-duper-PRness and went for the fruitvendor?
wanna fininish massclaims now, or just yeet bears?

this is the first time i've seen suspicion of bears from the slot. so it's a little odd to me that we jumped straight to yeet it. particularly when:

i'm like 80% on mastina being scum.

we are allegedly still very suspicious of mastina, so why suggest yeeting bears instead, and why not vote either of them? feels to me like testing the water on bears.

liked mastina being pissed that i stole her rightful place on scum-andante wagon, but then she updated not at all on town-andante
don't really have much super constructive to say rn, i'll let things mull over.

mastina being essentially your only expressed suspect, i want this thought to evolve further. like. who is scum then? if still mastina, who is her partner? show me some urgency on solving the game in this obviously bad situation we are in.

incidentally, i think anyone who didn't show much urgency or try hard to push their reads yesterday showed scum signs. since town didn't know it wasn't the final day, and i for one start feeling a lot of pressure to get it right when the game is nearly over. maybe less weight behind this point for anyone who has expressed feeling demotivated though, i do recognize not everyone thinks the way i do

=====

so if this is scum, who is it partnered with?

-mastina has been a regular target, insofar as tictac has ever pushed any reads at all, but has never gotten a vote. i see some associatives and some antiassociatives here, not 100% sure what wins.
-norwe, meanwhile, has been pretty much completely absent from the whole iso. that could easily be a partner too, so in the end i don't have a conclusion here yet, at least from this alone.

[Cephrir]

im not gonna iso mastina. there are only so many ways to say "her reads have not changed in response to game events in any way at any point", "she somehow finds her way onto the town wagon du jour every time" and "this is a disingenuous attack on me" and she doesn't actually post analyzable content so i don't see the point. might do norwe later, or maybe just "norwe since the last time i isoed him" since iirc i already did that a few days ago

[Cephrir]

-norwe, meanwhile, has been pretty much completely absent from the whole iso. that could easily be a partner too, so in the end i don't have a conclusion here yet, at least from this alone.

appending to this i think it would be fair to call norwe the most ignored slot in the entire game by basically everyone. im not sure this is meaningful, but there's no partner for him that i would rule out on associatives flowing in a x -> norwe direction, basically

[Cephrir]

it doesn't look like toog ever commented on the ascetic claim from a flavor standpoint. i did find these points basiucally arguing some of what i just said tho.

You'd think an ascetic player would go out of their way to look more town considering they can't be cleared by other means.

I wonder why we would have an ascetic and a hated asceticizer. If they're both real, that is

Maybe it's because of the mold

TBF, I haven't like tictac's claim because they aren't being a thorn in scum's side, and now they have all the rest of waffling over their slot with nothing to do about it but play chicken with it.

[Cephrir]

harebrained theory:

tet claimed to be roleblocked. as far as i'm aware, we have seen no further evidence a roleblocker exists.

tet targeted bears early on, while they were moldy.

what if the effect of mold is "players who target moldy targets are roleblocked the following night" ? is there anything that disproves this?

the more i think about this, the more likely i think it is

im not saying we should stop being paranoid about losing to the mold, i still think that might happen, but i think it's a plausible alternative explanation.

[Cephrir]

harebrained theory:

tet claimed to be roleblocked. as far as i'm aware, we have seen no further evidence a roleblocker exists.

tet targeted bears early on, while they were moldy.

what if the effect of mold is "players who target moldy targets are roleblocked the following night" ? is there anything that disproves this?

that was std, no?

STD had a roleblock. dont remember him using it on tet, but i also don't remember what he did do with it

we aren't noliming.

[Cephrir]

I got molded. Pretty sure this means it isn't a 3P ability because scum wouldn't just leave me alone. Also pretty sure this means Mastina is town? Night 2 having no mold victims might be because the Vig killed the intended target.

Also, why is both Bell and the Mush slot dead? I really don't think the Vig would kill one of them, but I don't see us having two groupscum at this point either.

Roden got molded... Night 4.
So that means that STD roleblocked them and they also got molded on night 4.

And I believe he sent a letter to a dead person Night 5, so we can't confirm or deny on that basis.

[Cephrir]

There is absolutely 0 reasons for a town player to vote no-yeet so this is just tictac trying to cut losses.

finally, some sense

[Cephrir]

There is absolutely 0 reasons for a town player to vote no-yeet so this is just tictac trying to cut losses.

finally, some sense

Weren’t you in favour of no yeet yesterday too?

Yes.

That was before it was pointed out that that could lead to everyone getting molded. It's also worse today as our wiggle room on that front is now gone.

[Cephrir]

When I said "finally" in that post, I meant "finally, mastina is speaking some sense," not "finally, someone is speaking some sense."

[Cephrir]

Apologies if mistaken, but I cannot see much reason to not do this.

VOTE: tictac

I'll worry about who the partner is tomorrow if there's a tomorrow.

[Cephrir]

someone who is decent at flavor unpack what post 57 means. Cephrir can you explain why you made that post

It didn't mean anything. I had a vague idea that the game was about aliens so I made a goofy post pretending to be one because I felt like it. At this point the flavor of flipped scum proves that this was not TMI, or so the flavor experts seemed to think iirc.

[Cephrir]

uh fuck. metaing ceph really didnt help. i just find him scummy every game goddamnit

I am not surprised. ;_;

[Cephrir]

I think that tictac's partner probably realized a long time ago he was never surviving this day and played with that in mind

[Cephrir]

If I were a betting man, I might wager that they're doing theater today (because it's mastina)

[Cephrir]

Ooh, testy. Walls closing in?

[Cephrir]

There's such a world of possibilities if only you would embrace it.

[Cephrir]

It has always been destined to turn out that way, it seems.

Granted, it could be you, but I think you've probably already won if so. And also admitting this is making my post less dramatic.

Unfortunately either way scum were able to remove andante and curated an endgame where at least one town player who has a desperate urge to murder me (and likely two, I'd bet roden will be leaving us tonight) will be alive tomorrow. So it's not looking great.

[Cephrir]

and likely two, I'd bet roden will be leaving us tonight

that would be very stupid lmao but if scum wanna lower the mislim options for town, do it lololol. i've got no complaints.

I don't think they need options. They only need one mislim, and no matter who is scum their plan is for it to be me.

[Cephrir]

Also hasn’t Mastina explained that they don’t really buss as scum?

Ah well in that case we have to take her word for it!

[Cephrir]

ircher-mastina interactions look alright now.

Cephrir-tictac scum team?

Revolutionary take. My whole perspective on life changed.

[Cephrir]

Idk what the point of a reeval is really. Everyone here knows you are never going to get past whatever your issue with me is.

[Cephrir]

Thanks.

[Cephrir]

k i give up

tet's line implies that he investigated the bears. this much is obvious. if you cannot follow me this far then like, fuck off.

so, why did tet post that "you'll know why" the bears should be side eyed when we see his flip. and yes, i know he addressed this to mush, but i believe that's just because they were hardtowning each other and he trusted it.

OBVIOUSLY, it's because THERE IS SOMETHING SUSPICIOUS ABOUT THEIR FLAVOR. otherwise, he wouldn't have said this.

therefore, if they CLAIM FLAVOR THAT ISN'T SUSPICIOUS, they are probably scum.

thanks for completely not fucking helping @ literally everyone.

[Cephrir]

dunn ircher and cephrir are the only ones calling bell obvious scum throughout the game. interesting.

it would be pretty weird of us to cook this us in the scum pt apropos of nothing. i really thought bell didn't look like his town meta at all in this game. im honestly still confused as to how no one else thought so

[Cephrir]

k i give up

tet's line implies that he investigated the bears. this much is obvious. if you cannot follow me this far then like, fuck off.

so, why did tet post that "you'll know why" the bears should be side eyed when we see his flip. and yes, i know he addressed this to mush, but i believe that's just because they were hardtowning each other and he trusted it.

OBVIOUSLY, it's because THERE IS SOMETHING SUSPICIOUS ABOUT THEIR FLAVOR. otherwise, he wouldn't have said this.

therefore, if they CLAIM FLAVOR THAT ISN'T SUSPICIOUS, they are probably scum.

thanks for completely not fucking helping @ literally everyone.

but didnt you say you didnt know the flavor very well?

Yes. So? I can use a wiki.

[Cephrir]

if i get bears to e-1 and they still refuse, i will explain, and we can all take their refusal into account. frankly if that does happen i think they should be hammered, but i doubt it will happen.

do you really want me to just post what im thinking and lose any utility that could come from it.

their flavor is really that important to protect.

jesus.

Mastina SRs galron and toog. so she doesnt have PERFECT reads.

When did she start SRing them, though? Was it when she started needing them as mislims to win the game? How far telegraphed are they?

[Cephrir]

Malal would say tictac/mastina is the team here. just a thought.

i know this is wifom, but that's why i wouldn't have killed her if i were scum.

[Cephrir]

Not going to lie, i kind of regret not doing this reread yesterday. the associatives with andante pretty much clear her.
while andante was absolutely scummy, these associatives are very much clearing her.

i feel like i tried to tell you this ;~;

[Cephrir]

could i really have unlost this game if i had towncased her more thoroughly

idk i don't think you were ready to hear it if it was coming from me

[Cephrir]

If Tet investigated us, they got Dylan Faden who to me is a scummy claim. Compared to the other claims we've had which would have shown up, you can see why I was a pain around that.

I thought that might be the reason you were resisting at some point which was all the more frustrating bc that was actually the town response.

[Cephrir]

2 months or so ago, in the alternate universe where tictac is town

"hey mastina i have an idea. let's try to throw the game as hard as we possibly can."
"brilliant idea cephrir. you are such a genius. we will win by losing."

[Cephrir]

if i beat out tictac while being 400% scum, is he 500% scum

i just want to know for posterity

[Cephrir]

yes yes you're going to win tomorrow, i know, might as well start gloating early

[Cephrir]

yes yes you're going to win tomorrow, i know, might as well start gloating early

hey, ur 1v1 could be lots easier if it was against me!
why not help me yeet mastina today?

bc if ur scum with mastina as i think you are, this is a trap so you can do some mold thing

[Cephrir]

granted if votes are actually there for mastina i might have to consider it as my only chance.

[Cephrir]

Scum could have beaten you if they shot you last night, but they apparently didn't, so that is the thing that tipped the game to you. You still had your bulletproof.

Our win con allowing us to win in this exact situation was a factor in our night actions last night

Anyway this was exhausting

[Cephrir]

We also dismissed norwe as the mold because we had roleblocked him night 7 oops