cause meuh and gamma are wanting to bus fey since their push on you isn't workingIn post 3031, Dunnstral wrote:Why always?In post 3018, Meuh wrote:Hmm. imo Fey always flips scum in a scum!Gorilla world. Does anything else really make sense?
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but yeah, @everyone, no one feel rushed to vote or whatever, but considering how no one did anything the past 24 hours, and I'm pretty sure the next 24 will also have a bunch of nothing, for the sake of this gamestate, I'm voting and telling yall where I wanna go, no one HAS to follow but yeah I'm staying here.
Meuh has been doing a lot of like "trying to tell you what you want to hear" as she talks to you, like, she told me, that me and gamma are her TRs, ok.. so that implies she has like 3 possible people for scum. yet is actively trying to push none of them. just this morning it was all "GAMMA IS MY TR!!" and then 3033, offers Gamma as a potential scum... like, if meuh isn't just trying to tell everyone what she thinks they want to hear? idk what she's doing or how she's playing, but it's definitely not playing in the best intentions of town-
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just this morning you were all "gamma MUST be town" off just 1 post though? "this isn't gamma!scum" or whatever.. do we need to pull that quote back up of exactly what you said about your partner gamma?In post 3033, Meuh wrote:The only alternative would be you/Gamma/Gorilla. I guess that makes some sense-
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Meuh.. I found this interesting, you commented on 2611 twice, the first time you were very critical of what gamma said, then the second time in your explanation to me, you were like "it's townie logic" that is definitely NOT what you said the first time you read it... actually, I just saw that and I think it's a slip, so yeah. good job!! Gamma is Meuh's partner.
In post 2605, Meuh wrote:Not sure I really think Gamma is scum but I do think Enchant is, regardless.In post 2614, Meuh wrote:
The thing is that effort isn't really something you just assign players?In post 2611, Gammagooey wrote:@Meuh - Dunn Fey and a deepwolf - probably one of fire/Kovu, and if I had to say this instant I'd say Kovu. I know that people will think that opinion is garbo but I really think that one scum has likely been putting a ton of effort into the game and set themselves up to actually live through the ridiculous number of Invictus shots this game has, because otherwise you're just asking to get gunned down halfway through the game by random Invictus shots.
Like if scum ended up with none of the players in the game putting a very high amount of effort in, that doesn't mean suddenly one of them is going to change their playstyle for that purpose.
Scum might just be significantly losing rn, who knows? I don't see why we'd make the assumption they weren't.
It's optimal for scum to have high effort players yes but no one in the history of mafia has ever played a game optimally.In post 2979, Meuh wrote:
Well I think you're town and I'm willing to just accept the loss if you aren't.In post 2978, Kovu wrote:Meuh, who are you thinking is town right now and why?
Tbh I'd say my second biggest townread here is Gamma. I don't recall their interactions with Marci particularly looking S/S. Also, none of Gamma's content actually looks scummy to me, and they have a few moments I think look good. Things like insisting to not vote until everyone checks in, or asking for a massclaim.
It's small stuff but I like it.In post 2989, Meuh wrote:
I was referring to Gamma's read on you. I don't think scumreading you is an inherently scummy thing. I think it's incorrect, yes, but not necessarily scummy.In post 2988, Kovu wrote:> I'd have to reread Gamma's post for bad intentions because I don't think it's inherently scummy.
You were just telling me gamma's posts were towny? like, what posts are you reading? I'm talking about day 4 gamma posts.. like there was even just a list of reads where I was at the bottom, doesn't take much reading to see that.. and my interactions with gamma today have been "why am I automatically maf cause you think there's a deepwolf" Like, why do I out my fire hood at day 2 start as scum? no benefit to outing it.
I'm saying there's been moments of "oh, okay he's probably town" that I've had with Gamma, not that his posting overall has been townie. I'm kinda neutral on a lot of his posts iirc.
I don't think you're scum, I'm not arguing in favour of Gamma's logic. I think it's a bit silly to assume you're a deepwolf, but I also very much can see a townie get paranoid about one existing, and if so, you and Fire are the only candidates. Fire being a much more reasonable potential deepwolf, though. I think you've had too many moments that seemed very genuine to be scum, but I think your posting style of often switching up reads and votes, seemingly unprompted could be seem as scummy. (I'd assume a large part of this was because of hood discussion?) I've been called out for similar reasons in games before and I see the mindset behind it, and also know that it's very very often NAI or even town indicative. I'd even say it is for myself.
But I should probably properly take a look at Gamma's push against you. If his logic or tone is bad, then maybe he has ill-intentions here.
Okay look at this, it's townie logic. The only scenario where I see Gamma push you as scum like this is if he's very desperate and also partnered with Fire. (Pushing you over Fire would be bad if you and Fire were town/town.) But those 2 things seem contradictory. A Gamma/Fire/anyone else team was - and imo still is - lined up for a win. So I just don't see scum!Gamma saying this.In post 2611, Gammagooey wrote:@Meuh - Dunn Fey and a deepwolf - probably one of fire/Kovu, and if I had to say this instant I'd say Kovu. I know that people will think that opinion is garbo but I really think that one scum has likely been putting a ton of effort into the game and set themselves up to actually live through the ridiculous number of Invictus shots this game has, because otherwise you're just asking to get gunned down halfway through the game by random Invictus shots.
I do see town!Gamma saying it though. Being scared, seeing the gamestate as worse for town than it realistically is, and having a scumread on someone who clearly isn't going to get limmed anytime soon seems like ridiculous scum play. Wouldn't the best angle for scum!Gamma to go with like, actually to just try to pocket you?
2231 this is just so good. Like is it very likely wrong? Yes. Is it genuine and coming from someone trying to solve? Also yes. 2411 too. This is not a push being made by scum.
The read evolves naturally, doesn't benefit a scum agenda and Gamma's posts on the topic have good tone. I townread him more now tbh
Nonono, I'm not saying he's town for coasting. He didn't stick out toIn post 2988, Kovu wrote:>I barely had a read on Gamma before day 3, I was just like "he's around enough and doesn't look scummy so I'm willing to accept he's town for now"
This is literally just saying "you're town for coasting" like.. yeah, why do you think we can't recall ANYTHING from gamma until here where the lim actually matters? Like, just being around, but not standing out? that doesn't scream scum to you? scum is trying to blend in. especially with invictus, like, scum doesn't want to be standing out, think about marci. marci wasn't really standing out, was all buddy buddy with you, but was avoiding anything controversial, and once marci went "hot take, kovu maf" I tunneled her, and she died. like, scum sees that, and goes "ok... just gonna blend in" cause town is shooting low poe, or taking a hero shot.me, and me specifically. He played relatively visibly and actively, I think.
If I thought he was deliberately trying to fade in and not draw too much attention to himself I'd find it scummy, but that's not the impression I got. The idea of him fading in makes even less sense with Marci!scum, since why would he deliberately 1v1 with her if he was trying to stay in the background?
My point was that his posts specifically didn't stick to me, they specifically didn't really catch my eye or had me think about them much.
To note that the main other 2 people who I felt similarly about, Datisi and Val, were both town. It's a personal thing that explains my own read, I'm not saying Gamma was trying to fade in.
I think your point about how scum want to disappear and not draw much attention makes sense, especially considering the setup. I'm saying I don't think it really applies to Gamma. Though actually, looking at it now; his post count is strikingly low. His content to post ratio is significant, but still I thought he had made more. I guess not.
This is fair, I've been pretty lazy. We're a group and me throwing out an order of action isn't productive. There's no reason for people to stick to it, and even if they do the mafia might have some PR in their back pocket just to obliterate us, which would suck and derail any plans. Plus you guys reading me accurately would be nice!In post 2988, Kovu wrote:See, I don't like the concept of "lim these 3 in any order, if wrong, just go here" like, at this point in the game we need actual reads, cause surely you know you're in the list of "just lim these people, if wrong go elsewhere" like, if we lim town, and invictus town here, we lose. game over. And people need to at least try here, and if you're not putting in an effort to find maf, you need to at least work on proving your towniness... and that goes for all town here, cause we have exactly a 0% chance of winning if town doesn't wanna try.-
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uhh I'm not putting my TRs on any scumteam read I have... that's literally the entire point of having TRs... you remove them from the equation, then the team is left in the remaining peopleIn post 3042, Meuh wrote:Individual reads and scumteam reads are different things, sadly.-
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I am aware... literally why I was like, "yo meuh gamma is definitely maf" and all morning you were just defending gamma, and only after you realized, if gamma was town, you basically have your set team to push, but you can't push dunn now? can that's just not a popular thought. there's a very clear agenda to this, ans simple answer is, you weren't prepared to have to bus gamma right here cause gamma is the sole person carrying the scum team right now. I just don't see town making a complete 180 on the same post they read and made comments on... without acknowledging themselves "I SRed it before, but TR it now" your progression has not been towny, and I'm very happy ending today on voting you outIn post 3042, Meuh wrote:but literally 75% of the team combinations here involve Gamma. (As do the others left here)-
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how do you know there's not a deepwolf?In post 3045, Meuh wrote:Yeah, cause Gamma's logic that there must be a deepwolf was wrong,
right....In post 3045, Meuh wrote:and I disagreed with it
"I disagreed with it" cause we call things townie logic we disagree with...In post 2989, Meuh wrote:Okay look at this, it's townie logic.
really? cause I even told you that's how your posts were reading.. I was giving you my genuine points for why I SRed Gamma, and your response was basically "no! gamma town!!"In post 3045, Meuh wrote:my brain was not in "hey, is Gamma town over this" mode.
it looked good that gamma was pushing me for bussing marci for town cred? in hindsight it looks good gamma is only pushing the 1 person who really led the wagon on our 1 flipped scum? THAT looks great in hindsight? Cause you also read my posts, which gamma ignored about, if the plan was to truly bus marci, why did I not do it day 1? I wasn't on that day 1 wagon at any point..In post 3045, Meuh wrote:Recently I've wanted to take a good look at Gamma's push on you and when I took a look, that post stuck out to me as being based in townie logic. That's not something I noticed on my first read of it, but looking back on it specifically focused on the push on you and the posts made leading up to it, it looked good.
I mean, when I was telling you gamma was my #1 sr, and your gut reaction to that was to just be all "GAMMA IS MY TR!!" and refuse to even hear my case basically, and now you're all "yeah gamma maf!!" I just have a really hard time believing, you're genuinely trying to find maf here, and this gamma thing truly feels like a last minute panic...In post 3045, Meuh wrote:I looked at the post at different times, focused on different aspects of them, with a different mentality, and unsurprisingly different things stuck out to me about it.-
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meuh maf? perfect. we lim meuh here!In post 3050, gorilla wrote:Say I die and flip town, who realistically makes sense as a Gammagooey teammate? Not Dunn. Not Fey. Not Kovu. It'd have to be Gamma/fire/Meuh but then fire went out of his way to case his teammate yesterday for no reason when most people were townreading her?? Just doesn't make a lick of sense.-
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Well, the hydra is mainly Mena and he's on vacation till like Friday/Saturday, idk timezomes (and he said he's normally V/LA on weekends) so... I figured that's info yall deserve to have.. and Bell is being bell? idk, we're not really talking. So that's where I'm like, hey, I know a lot of you TR me. here's my thoughts and what I wanna do. Yall don't have to agree. but I'm sick of this game just being stagnant, like, we had ~24 hours on NO ONE posting or whatever... We all SR meuh. some of us more than others. I really believe she flips red. So I think she is a good flip for today. If people don't like my "direction" you are more than welcome to wait for Mena to show up, but I don't think Mena is opposed to a meuh lim here. and yeah. that's just my two cents. cause if we have more days of nothing, I'll just stop caring all together tbhIn post 3055, gorilla wrote:I also really wish the clears weren't so diffident and removed from discussion. It is frustrating to have the fate of the game in the hands of people when I'm not realy sure what they're thinking or reading.-
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I mean, we don't have to wait for them, I'm pretty sure Bell would be OK with a meuh lim, even if it's not Bell's #1 choice, but we only need 5 votes, RR will show up at somepoint in the near future, even if it's to dodge a prod, so like, yeah.. we definitely could vote whoever out.. Dunn would vote meuh, you, me and fire are voting, and then literally anyone who wants to hammer. easy. but if yall wanna wait forever for mena's "full thoughts" go for itIn post 3059, gorilla wrote:we're depending on the votes of two incredibly flaky clears to make any elimination happen.-
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you can not claim credit at all day 2 for the marci lim... like what even?? I cased marci, and mala followed, and no one else talked for like the next 6 hours... I read your stuff like "oh day 1?" I'm 100% the reason for day 2 marci going over...In post 3062, Meuh wrote:In post 2187, Meuh wrote:VOTE: Marcistar
Probably the best option at this point?
I'm feeling like my suspicion on VPB might be tainted by annoyanceIn post 2189, fireisredsir wrote:
didn't like the vp vote and wasn't really expecting to see this but i think i might like this post actuallyIn post 2187, Meuh wrote:VOTE: Marcistar
Probably the best option at this point?
I'm feeling like my suspicion on VPB might be tainted by annoyance
VOTE: marci
let's do itIf I'm scum, is my vote on Marci a planned bus or a clumsy accident? May I remind you it started a vote chain, there were 2 votes on Marci beforehand. If it was planned why was it so mellow and why was the first person to jump on it town and the second also likely town? If it wasn't, why did I quote the ever nearing deadline to urge people to vote right as the wagon gained momentum? The answer is that I didn't have an agenda, and I just pushed for someone who I thought should be limmed, to be limmed. Nothing more, nothing less.
If my recent play isn't gonna convince you all, I want you guys to consider what I've done earlier.
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Meuh: "I'm the reason the marci wagon started" yeah. RIGHT...
In post 2112, Prism wrote:Vote Count 2.6
Flavor to come way way later sorry, have tried to keep simultaneous but will be awhile
Player Votes Dwlee99(5)Fey (1569), Enchant (1587), Meuh (1727), Lukewarm (1914), VP Baltar (2077) Meuh(3)gorilla (2005), fireisredsir (2093), Val89 (2111) gorilla(2)Dunnstral (1296), Rhyme and Reason (1301) Dunnstral(2)Gammagooey (1391), SirCakez (1600) marcistar(2)Kovu (2106), Malakittens (2108) Gammagooey(1)marcistar (1239) SirCakez(1)Bell (1906) VP Baltar(1)Dwlee99 (1924) Not Voting(0)
With 17 players alive, it takes 9 votes to eliminate.
No elimination has been achieved. The Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2022-06-12 15:30:00).
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I mean, if we don't lim you here, do you really think you're not getting invictus shot? like, voting you out we can read the wagon/VC stuff. but you make it sound like the issue here is just voting you out. like ok we could vote someone else out, but then point invictus at you? why is that not the issue?In post 3068, Meuh wrote:A mislim on me sounds terrible both for our chances of winning but tbh mostly for my own personal feelings so I just don't want it to happen-
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and for those of us who don't want to wait till monday for "maybe something" I'm saying we should lim meuh.
We have 4 days 6 hours till deadline, and if you want to spend 3 waiting? you do you, but @ everyone going "I'm sheeping the clears" I'm as close to a clear as you're really gonna get for leadership right now, up to yall, it's your vote, do what you want with it, but I'm staying on Meuh, if anyone has opposition to it I'm happy to hear your case, and no I'm not limming gorilla the bg here.
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I do! Cause meuh wasn't concerned about being invictus shot, implying she either doesn't have one, or it's not going to affect her, and if you look at every single VC, the only people to ever vote meuh are basically the dead town (gamma was in rvs, but not for long) so, dead town, me you fire. that's it, I am ONLY voting Meuh here. and if yall wanna strongarm this lim to someone else, you're doing it without my vote. I am staying on meuh.In post 3104, gorilla wrote:I don't want to go after Meuh today-
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I agree that fey is maf, but I'm not getting off meuh, ever since that weird invictus think from meuh.. plus meuh is just here like "idk who my read for the maf team is.. uhhhh" and Fey had to like step in like "you need to push me" basically.. so yeah I'm confident meuh is not town, and I'm confident scum doesn't want meuh to go over here, so that's exactly the maf I want-
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I mean, I'd much rather people just vote whoever they SR, like, sitting around the entire D4 cause "must sheep clears" gets us exactly no where...In post 3179, gorilla wrote:
If Bell/R&R continue to dither and hedge uselessly, I will vote myself in 24 hours, for the sake of ensuring an elimination actually happens. I frankly do not trust them to act decisively within the time alotted.In post 3125, Prism wrote:No elimination has been achieved. The Day 4 deadline is in 2 days, 4 hours, 22 minutes.-
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Kovu can't play this game right now, so we'll have to chat later
and quite honestly, I'm clear now. Bell said he'd be on Dunn. all scum had to do to win there was kill a town... on a town, so scum!me doesn't kill BELL who says he's on Dunn... I had Bell and Fire tell me about their targets, I talked fire INTO going to no one, and I'm pretty sure RR would've been on someone other than who bell/fire were on, so yeah. I'm pretty CLEAR now. want to look for a deepwolf? you can go look at fire now.
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VC 2.2
Dunnstral(2) gorilla (1175), Gammagooey (1391)
VC 2.3
Dunnstral(5) gorilla (1175), Gammagooey (1391), SirCakez (1600), Meuh (1631), Dwlee99 (1644)
VC 2.4
Dunnstral(2) Gammagooey (1391), SirCakez (1600)
VC 3.2
Dunnstral(6) gorilla (2444), Kovu (2528), SirCakez (2535), Gammagooey (2535), fireisredsir (2553), Meuh (2554)
VC 3.3
Dunnstral(4) Kovu (2528), SirCakez (2535), Gammagooey (2535), fireisredsir (2553)
VC 4.1
Dunnstral(2) gorilla (2885), Meuh (2886)
VC 4.2
Dunnstral(1) gorilla (2885)
So looking at the VCs (thanks for the help team!) I want to say it's just meuh and fey/fire? like I'm not really sold on Gamma being dunn's partner, Fey never voted Dunn, and fire didn't till it was popular on d3?? idk.. but I want to say VCs = Gamma never being Dunn's partner... and this would be why meuh was all "yeah gamma is town!!" when we were talking...-
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VC 3.2, meuh looks like maf that hopped on for town cred as Dunn was about to go over, I just can't tell if that was also why fire hopped on... like meuh is sitting e-1 right now, and fire has been "convinced all game" that meuh was maf... so why not hammer? if my SR is e-1 I'd just yeet it... instead.. I'm not sure what's currently happening/what fire is trying to do-
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D2 FINAL VC
marcistar(9) -Malakittens(2108), Kovu (2160), Meuh (2187),SirCakez(2188), fireisredsir (2189), Gammagooey (2193),VP Baltar(2197),Lukewarm(2222),Enchant(2223)
gorilla(2) -Dunnstral(1296),Rhyme and Reason(1301)
VP Baltar(2)-Dwlee99 (1924), Val89 (2150)
Gammagooey(1)-marcistar(1239)
Dwlee99(1)- Fey (1569)
SirCakez(1)- Bell (1906)
Dunnstral(1)-gorilla(2135)
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Nice. Fey and fire… I have been told Fey is never mafia here. And I have been pocketed by fire, I don’t think fire has had a single correct read… and last night fire was throwing out the idea of me being maf… I’m honestly inclined to think final maf is just fire, but want to double check something. But that’s where my head is at right now-
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i asked mena for more on the fey TR reasoning… I’m gonna have to really think, either tomorrow or tuesday I’ll throw a vote up though, I’m not dragging this out to just lose, so yeah, if yall have any final “it’s not me!” asap is the time to share why, cause there’s a large chance i’ll vote town, so woooo-
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fey, I just skimmed your ISO… it’s uhh… not too great.. 971 was where I feel like you just went “yeah these names are town” which if you’re maf it’s true, and like idk.. I will not vote tonight, but this iso… wow…
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fire told me scum was bussing you, yeahIn post 3303, Fey wrote:I also think like every scum this game has tried to push me as a miselim which means something.-
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i mean, mena was fighting pretty hard telling us you were town, but umm he never actually explained why he thought thatIn post 3307, Fey wrote:I mean yeah that's the angle that has to be pushed.
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I read that bolded part like "I couldn't even get mena to tell me why he's confident fey is town, how would I ever get him to change his invictus?"In post 3315, Fey wrote:
The bolded feels like a gross misunderstanding of R+R's angle like, most of the game regarding me, and I feel like you're way... smarter, frankly. To believe something like this and you're kind of going through the motions of like. Pretending to be paranoid.In post 3311, fireisredsir wrote:hey whats up
ngl i was kinda convinced overnight that it was kovu and that i had just been pocketed
BUT i kinda think kovu if scum would have been able to convince RR to shoot not her partner?
i just had a really hard time understanding gamma/fey as being the final two. but i guess maybe gamma was just willing to bus his whole team?
idk
i reread most of the hood last night and i don't think it's impossible for kovu to fake but it would be impressive if she kept up that willingness to effort the whole time
However, I am aware that I have been wrong most of this game. If you have anything meaningful to present for Kovu scum other than the above, please do so now.
also the "I read the hood last night" right, the hood I barely talked in cause we were celebrating independence day on the 2nd? yeah...
Fey, last niht fire pretending to suddenly think it's me.. was just like, what even where does THIS come from??"
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Uhhh is this just the answer? fey not partner?? lmaoo cause I do not see partners saying this... I'll still read but like, literally just this post... I was ISOing for fire and saw this... hahhaaIn post 148, marcistar wrote:i dont think fey seemed scummy, i like what she posted so far she looks like shes trying to solve-
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marci went "fey town fey town fey's vote was weird" like, overall... not lots better...
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NOOO WAIT U WERE AMUMUMUMU??? WHY DID IT GET ERASED FROM MY MEMORY.... I REMEMBER I WAS VIBING WITH AMUMUMUMU BUT I DIDNT REMEMBER WHO IT WAS....In post 1257, fireisredsir wrote:
i historically haven't played in a hood as scumIn post 1253, marcistar wrote:is fireisredsir historically bad with keeping up with hoods as scum?
my one scumgame here was as amumu lol
oh did he give any reasons on why its "dumb to tr enchant"? the way ur describing it makes him seem scummyIn post 1258, Kovu wrote:
fire kept up, like it wasn't anything super bad, its mostly just been encouraging my bad takes and shutting down my good ones, the most recent is fire like telling me it's dumb I tr enchant or whatever then FIRE is trying to tell ME to use the hood to solve... EXCUSE ME... THERE'S ALMOST MORE POSTS IN THAT HOOD THAN IN HERE.... I HAVE BEEN SOLVING and literally every single thought I have had is in that PT (minus last night) not once did fire ask me my read on anyone in that PT, yet fire is NOW trying to tell me to solve or something.. lmaoIn post 1253, marcistar wrote:is fireisredsir historically bad with keeping up with hoods as scum?In post 80, marcistar wrote:
i havent seen datisi as scum at all and im not gonna meta readIn post 75, fireisredsir wrote:i don't really think this is an accurate assessment of datisi as scum at all. have you read datisi scum games at all, and if not what made you come to this conclusion?
i came to the conclusion because thats just how i think hes like, he gives very much vibes like hes doubtful in his abilities all the time to do stuff, am i wrong? i thought i remembered a game where he kept doubting his reads and going back and forth on them, but am i remembeing the wrong person?
i think i did that because i felt rushed, i know one of the posts i made at work and the other one while i was crossing the streetIn post 68, Meuh wrote:@Marci what's up with the all caps posting??
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go away.....
stop bullying me...
im not timid as scum... its just when i roll scum its always against people im scared of...
tbh i just generally play timid...
BUT THATS NOT MY POINT
i actually do think ur scum, and i actually do have reasons, but tbh a magician never reveals their secrets unless people ask
I like fey as well, she keeps asking questions and it seems like those questions are her trying to push the game forward so i think shes townyIn post 72, LavarManos wrote:I actually like Fey for bandwagoning to Datisi, but don't really have any opinion on the other votes or anyone else rllyIn post 2088, marcistar wrote:
also yeah this feels weird idk y thoIn post 2074, Fey wrote:Anyways,
Still voting Dwlee, if that wagon's not a thing then RIP. I don't actually know how to read Dunn.
If Meuh flares up I'll go there. Sure. Why not.In post 2216, marcistar wrote:fey, because earlier when i was looking at the votes on dwlees wagon her vote stuck out the most to me. it seemed pretty scummy and her other posts regarding dwlee do as well tbhs
cakez, 1) i dont fully believe all the "confirmed" ppl are telling the truth 2) i think alot of his content just mainly circles back to him susing a handful of people, i dont think hes trying to look at the full picture, theres alot of posts where hes just like "this is horrible/shitty/whatever he says" and i feel like thats just him trying to prevent progression of the game
gorilla, but only if luke is still so hell bent on them. i feel like we need to settle that feud between them or else luke will hella tunnel!! i also think it will help with sorting meuh because of their fight earlier this phase!!
i think alot of gorillas posts are just explainly explainly things, i think that would be pretty easy for scum to fake.
i thought maybe it would be better to incase bell was telling the truthIn post 2215, Lukewarm wrote:@marci, why did you choose to be on bell?
like, i feel like it couldve been likely for scum to want to try and kill him before he could actually clear himself, idk how dumb scumteam is but i remember a few games where me and meuh play where a shitton of clears happened and then the scumteam all got caught because they couldnt do shit about it. i thought maybe scumteam might try to prevent that sort of shit?
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that's your "case" for why it's not me? lmaooooIn post 3329, fireisredsir wrote:i said that i thought that scum!kovu would probably be able to convince RR to shoot town. since gamma flipped scum, that would just mean anyone but gamma.
kovu would almost certainly be able to convince RR to shoot me. she could just claim I slipped in hood or something
RR shot scum. that makes me think kovu is more likely to be town.
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and for the record I think gamma was ALWAYS RR's shot there.. we were all pretty set on meuh/dunn/gamma team.
fire, how you were before the meuh flip was so odd, it literally felt like you were trying to do... something?? idk how to explain that.
Uhh I'm gonna go back to reading me outing the hood real quick
hahahaha would you look at that.. the game is in my hands.... frick-
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another scum member just openly calling fey town... I don't think I have EVER seen a scum do that for their partner, and here we have 2 calling fey town...In post 1282, Gammagooey wrote:Looking back Fey looks town - the early Datisi push was much more about info-gathering/discussing things with Datisi than pushing for them as a mis-elim. The Dwlee vote from her was a little weak on its own but the followup now to Meuh feels v. good. Tonally I like the posting a lot too, though that may just be me relating to it personally than it being strictly more likely to come from town than scum.
@Marci - since you're voting me how do you feel about my not-you reads? Or my votes yesterday after it become clear that you weren't going to get elim'd that game day? Do you think I'm more likely to be scum given the flips, and/or that anyone else is more likely to be town b/c of them?
@Meuh - Which of Cakez's reads do you think are iffy?
sorry fire... it's not looking good.. but I'm not dragging out the game, we'll end this tonight-
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I am too conflicted and the longer this goes on, the worse I'll feel if wrong. I *REALLY* don't think I should decide tonight, so I'm not. I promise I will/am reading every single word yall say here, and actually thinking about what you're saying.
Just so you're kinda in the loop Fey, I have been asking Fire some questions from our hood PT in there, but have quickly realized I will never reach the fire!maf conclusion from that.
fire, can you link me a scum game of yours? I would love to see what that looks like
but I'm going to bed, I'm exhausted. at the end of the day, I want to make the right choice. If it was easy I'd have voted by now I'll be around in about 12 hours from now... maybe. but I need to sit down, look at all my facts. figure out what I want to do. and weigh out every single option. if I had to pick one of yall RIGHT NOW... I'm honestly not even sure who I'd go with
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So, I pulled up the Dunn/marci/gamma ISO, and control F'd Fey and fire. And my takeaway is, I think scum was planning on Gamma endgaming, thus all of gamma's "Dunn and fey" lines, I'm pretty sure, I want to vote Fey right now. However, I'm going to step away, get some fresh air, then return to this and look at a different angle and see if I feel the same way,
Like, I compared fire's posts here to fire!town/scum games and like, this seems to match up well with town!fire, and the way maf interacted with fire, was just so different from how they interacted with each other, I'm confused on what the maf plan even was... just bus each other till the end? but yeah, in that iso, it definitely looks like Gamma was positioning himself to be the scum that endgamed? idk, looking at the dunn/marci/gamma ISO it's just like, those 3... I really think it's fey. I'll probably be back in around 3 hours, but yeah. Last night I was deadset on it being fire, told myself to wait, see if I felt the same way. and now, I'm pretty certain it's fey. So gonna give it some time, then return to this.
@Fey, I have 1 question for you, what caused you to vote fire so fast here? Cause in my mind, if you're maf planning on just doing that, you'd just kill me and leave RR alive, but I SR you, so that clearly wasn't the plan? So just, without a doubt, you TRed me? I'm just trying to figure this out. and I want yall to have equal chance to defend yourselves so I can make the right decision here
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hmm I'll read some posts like "ehhh could be from either alignment" but then I read this and I'm like, I don't think fire could be partnered with gamma
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a relevant example from this game is right hereIn post 945, SirCakez wrote:
ExactlyIn post 933, Gammagooey wrote:Like the only reason I could get for people voting him is that his posting is a little stilted and that his self-admitted tinfoil of Datisi & Marci being scum together is bad. Like he knows nobody's going to agree with it, that's why he said it's tinfoil, and I still think his early posts were good with him flatly saying what he thinks but being open to looking at other things/potentially being wrong about early reads.
There's not really anything I can point to for Lavar scum but many things I can for other people scum
when gamma made the quoted post, i thought it was kinda scummy at first bc i felt like he was minimizing and dismissing the case on lavar, as if he had already come to a conclusion on it and wasn't looking at the evidence presented. so i talked to gamma about it, and he was willing to listen, read the case i had, disagreed with parts of it and agreed with parts of it, and it looked at least like he had at least some progression in his read over the course of the conversation
cakez, in contrast, comes in and quotes the original post and says exactly. it's still not true, but hey, maybe he'll read the conversation i had with gamma and that will have some impact on his read. since if he's in the same place that gamma was at the time of that quote, i would expect him to also have some sort of development when he realizes that the original statement of there being no reasons for the lavar wagon was untrue
but he didn't, at all. he just kept moving forward with the townread that he had already decided on and only commented on new information that would support that read, ignoring information that wouldn't-
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I have never been more unsure in my entire freaking life.. why do I even play mafia... AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
cause yes. the second meuh flipped town it was like "hmm kovu maf?" like, what? I thought it was just a simple gamma/fey? now we're questioning me? but like, I would think fire!maf would bus... someone... like, he didn't bus anyone, and honestly encouraged me to push marci there day 2 when I was unsure, I was like maybe.... and he was like "I could see it" or something and I thought that was good... I'm actually so torn now. I don't want to drag this game on, but I'm literally changing my mind every 2 seconds-
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Oh right, this was a thing too, like, scum had no need to campaign for an enchant lim? uhh I need to see the other wagons at the timeIn post 2773, fireisredsir wrote:ok I just had a thought, maybe it's dumb but hear me out
am i 100% convinced enchant is maf? no, not at all
when i try to imagine what scum teams there could be, is enchant on the vast majority of them? yes
does enchant 100% need to be resolved before elo? yes
and the thing I realized is... even on the off chance that enchant is town here, im pretty sure scum would actually want them not to be limmed? like, think about it. if we flip someone else today, im guessing a lot of the town will be heading into the night with invictus on enchant. i know i probably will. people are tired of hero shots, and just want to narrow the poe. it makes sense. but thats actually shielding for scum. if they know that enchant is town, then they want everyone's invictus on them because invictus shots are much harder to predict compared to their ability to influence the lim during the day. limming enchant removes that shield and makes it harder for them to feel safe with their night kill
and the pretty likely alternative is that enchant is just scum. so it's a win win
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