LOST (Game Over)

[Cytosine and Guanine]

VOTE: Corwin
100 D1 Words Total PR Excluding Quotes (Jin)
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

VOTE: Corwin
100 D1 Words Total PR Excluding Quotes (Jin)
-Guanine

There are ways around this. Will STD be olbliging for example if I made a plist and asked you to hold who you suspected would that be considered your words or mine?

Yours but it can't be used to bypass
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

VOTE: Corwin
100 D1 Words Total PR Excluding Quotes (Jin)
-Guanine

There are ways around this. Will STD be olbliging for example if I made a plist and asked you to hold who you suspected would that be considered your words or mine?

No. Follow spirit.

Enchant, Pooky evil.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Luke's analysis → maybe Town
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

UNVOTE: Corwin

[Cytosine and Guanine]

I think off the hook is town

Explain.
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

STD said signatures don't count.

[Cytosine and Guanine]

STD said signatures don't count.

What a fake post restriction if I've ever saw one.

Which part?

[Cytosine and Guanine]

I can't this is my ongoing war on terror against VCAers.

VOTE: T-Bone

Why?
I like T-Bone.

[Cytosine and Guanine]

I can't this is my ongoing war on terror against VCAers.

VOTE: T-Bone

Why?
I like T-Bone.

Inside joke, I wouldn't worry about it at this stage.

Good
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

I wish I could vote 5-8 people right now.

You could always just put a list of people you'd be willing to vote for instead of actually voting

No order:

Pooky
Cephrir
Penguin(?)
Corwin
CSF

Explain.

[Cytosine and Guanine]

i am not going to give all hydras bonus points for being hydras and i dont think there's anything wild about that

Good point.
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

ok but she sounds way more stilted in pokemon dude lol

her scum game is like your scum game in terms of looking like a block of ice

Who is this abt?

~GE

Probably CSF?
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

ok but she sounds way more stilted in pokemon dude lol

her scum game is like your scum game in terms of looking like a block of ice

Who is this abt?

~GE

Probably CSF?
-Guanine

This is the first post that actually bothered me wrt the post restriction. But this one did it.

There was no need for them to be the one to answer this question

We were doublechecking if we misinterpreted Pooky.
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

322212121332122223312111212
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

322212121332122223312111212
~Cytosine

this is 27 numbers - there are 26 players in the game

did you mess up somewhere? can you double check and give me the right number pls

this is what your readlist looks like in my spreadsheet; I left out the last number

32221212133212222331211112
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

hey cg, and feel free to ignore this question if the answer is no

are you sure you only get 100 words and not 100 different words

i was just thinking that's what i would have suggested if i saw that post restriction in a setup to make it more fun

The former.
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

2032 is a good idea, and now the hydra should have no reason to lurk

Missed 67?
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

C&G, I implore you to ask this question about your post restriction: Do pictures/emojis/GIFS count?

They do.
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

@c+g

Do you have a hood read on Corwin/math?

Yes.
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

As for C&G the feeling is decidedly mutual. Is RH9 reading me? Or is it Ircher?

Both for deviance.
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

C&G, I implore you to ask this question about your post restriction: Do pictures/emojis/GIFS count?

They do.
-Guanine

How much would one count for?
~GE

One if wordless.
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

alright i'll spend the next 30 minutes updating the spreadsheet - I'm kind of lazy ngl.

here's where it's at right now:



give me your updates.

22221112123212222221211112
VOTE: Roden
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Yeah I'm not going to bother trying to keep up at this point, 70 pages is too much.

I can vaguely tell there's a wagon on me. I'm claiming Mason.

UNVOTE: Roden
(move Town)
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

But I asked for the hood reads last night, have they just not logged in, or do they not want to share >_< Sorry I'm super behind and catching up in two directions are once

I want.
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Pooky what's BB at in the Readslist

I haven't updated since last night

what do people want to change?

22221112121212212313211112
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

3 Dunnstral (BlueBloodedToffee, Roden, JohnnyFarrar)

2 JohnnyFarrar (Off the Hook, RCEnigma)

1 Enchant (T-Bone)
1 Dancing Puppets (Best Bird)
1 PookyTheMagicalBear (Dwlee99)

Not Voting (MalcolmTucker, Cytosine and Guanine, Dunnstral)

Would love for BBT, Roden, Johnny, OtH, RCE, t-Bone, Best Bird, Malcolm, C+G, and Dunn to get their votes on viable wagons please.

VOTE: Dunn
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

3 Dunnstral (BlueBloodedToffee, Roden, JohnnyFarrar)

2 JohnnyFarrar (Off the Hook, RCEnigma)

1 Enchant (T-Bone)
1 Dancing Puppets (Best Bird)
1 PookyTheMagicalBear (Dwlee99)

Not Voting (MalcolmTucker, Cytosine and Guanine, Dunnstral)

Would love for BBT, Roden, Johnny, OtH, RCE, t-Bone, Best Bird, Malcolm, C+G, and Dunn to get their votes on viable wagons please.

VOTE: Dunn
-Guanine

Dunn is not a viable wagon

UNVOTE: Dunn
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

t-bone you think that's town!frog

spastic

theater and a legit role cop claim?

Please avoid this word.
I find it offensive.
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

How do you see the seconds on posts?

Custom Format
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

@Pooky
Can you move Dunn and Klick 1 up, Frogster 1 down?
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

I forgot, can't glaiates be canceled. I distinctly remember this being the case in fate grand order.

They can't.
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Happy scumday, Bell!
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

I’m not here to discuss anything with anyone. Who is leading in votes?

Ceph?
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Let’s see 5 Wolves.


Cephrir/Frog/Bell/CSF/Dunn/T-Bone/Bella/Math

3 of these are Town.

Math Town.

FIN
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

It's impossible for there to be a third party unless the mod lied.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

I'd support a Professor wagon, but I would need to check what Gaunine's thoughts are before committing to a vote.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Oh DNA, would you have been punished if you went over 100?

We never asked what the penalty was.

My gut is that this makes the Professor look a lot worse (especially since there is like zero reevaluations after a bunch of incorrect reads in flips), but also I doubt the Dunn kill is about them. I'm running with the assumption that Dunn was the factional kill and not Frog, otherwise the scumteam is playing 5D chess in which case good job.

@Taly because I said I would if Ceph/Frog flipped town. It's also a joke? What a weird thing to get hung up on. Sorry, I'm feeling relatively good because three of my town reads were correct, makes me feel like I have good read on the game after all, something among other things at the end of day 1, I was doubting.

oh im tonedeaf and sleepy oof

I was asking for a lot of things. I put my vote where I thought it should be.

I feel like I was the only one actually sorting while everyone else was yelling.

I owned stock at Waffle House

you had me as theoretical scum though and you voted

ceph

. where was the progression?

Wanted to end the day and someone pretty much said vote Ceph or we start day two doing the same stupidity as yesterday. Ceph was kinda elim de facto anyway hence why I said “Whatever”.

doesn't explain the leap onto

BBT

, or your read on me.

it's very likely scum were on both sides of the gladiate, and

i wonder if ceph was the elimination due to having better reads

outside of his push onto me.

rad/pooky/dp/csf/

luke are townreads

, many others are leans, majority in the PoE.

These thoughts feel incongruent, because I feel like I was the person who caused Ceph to be the elim yesterday.

This may be a self centered view of how the day played out, but from my pov you were going to be elimed, but it was going to take until deadline.

I decided to kill Ceph to end the day faster. He died.

Spoiler:

To be clear, it was not just because I wanted the day to end faster.

I started leaning town on you, and I was less convinced that you were definitively the better elim.

and I was also worried that if you died and flipped town, then there were certain other players that would not let go of tunneling ceph (Drapion lol), so dead town ceph was better for the collective town solving then dead town taly.

ehhhhhh it seemed more collective, i found you being one of the people to counter my points as less likely to be scum trying to chain mislims or pocket whoever could've survived.

pedit

I'd support a Professor wagon, but I would need to check what Gaunine's thoughts are before committing to a vote.
~Cytosine

If this wasn't RH, I would consider this another Red flag post.

then what are you saying here, if not a read on the hydra?

C&G

, are you still post-restricted?

Nope, we are free to post as we please. (Also sorry for the long quote. I am used to snipping pieces, but that functionality seems to have gone away since I upgraded to my new phone .)

I'd support a Professor wagon, but I would need to check what Gaunine's thoughts are before committing to a vote.
~Cytosine

Really? I think he’s town and Ceph did too.

I've been loosely following the game. It's hard to keep up with 20+ pages a day when you only have an hour or two each day. I wasn't really impressed with day 1 posting from the slot, but to be fair, I've also missed a lot of context. I wouldn't say it's a /strong/ scum read.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

I counted 96.
I counted the times they used words for numbers. But didn't count naked votes or post that were just filled with numbers.

Numbers count.

We were keeping track but it's possible we made an off-by-one error at some point. If we counted correctly, we hit 100 words exactly.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

We've had a pretty good conversation. It's mostly been Math and Guanine doing the talking, but I'm townreading Math based off the neighborhood.

Spoiler:

Pedit: Fwiw, I counted twice just now and got 102 both times, so I guess we miscounted.

363 counts as 5; the implication symbol still counts as a word.
2129 is a naked quote. It counts as 0.

With those corrections, your count matches mine.

~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

What's the spread like? Did RH9 post the most?

MathBlade has marginally more posts than Guanine. Both have way more (like by a factor of 7 or 8) than Cytosine.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

@Rad So you think our hood is SvS? Okay, it's not impossible, but it's like very taboo. I should know having subverted that expectation in the past.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Bell.
Can you catch me up please?
If Luke's right about Math, it would be most nice if you tell me what is going on.
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

I'd support a Professor wagon, but I would need to check what Gaunine's thoughts are before committing to a vote.
~Cytosine

If this wasn't RH

, I would consider this

another Red flag post

.

Explain the bolded please, Bell.
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Flavor

Vote Count 2.1

7 Mathblade (Lukewarm, Bell, Taly, Cat Scratch Fever, BlueBloodedToffee, RCEnigma, Off the Hook)
3 Bluebloodedtoffee (Mathblade, Roden, Dancing Puppets)
1 JohnnyFarrar (PookyTheMagicalBear)
1 Bellaphant (ProfessorDrapion)
1 Cytosine and Guanine (Rad)
1 Taly (Enchant)

Not Voting (Bellaphant, Dwlee99, Best Bird, JohnnyFarrar, Malakittens, T-Bone, Mislim Bait, MalcolmTucker)

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-30 19:22:50)

Mod Notes

Replacing Dwlee99
Mathblade V/LA

@mod

You missed us in the VC.
I'm pretty sure that we're not voting.
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

That you start doing dissonance really really hard the moment your slot faces a little bit of pressure feels like an intentional strategy to deflect it.

Meh I don't read dissonance as scummy really. Like sure, in theory, hydra would be synced up and resolve disagreements privately, but that can be hard to do, and some of us just like to post without going through the extra steps. (It's a bad habit perhaps, but it is also common.)
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Does anyone think that there is still a benefit for me to keep my neighbor unmentioned?


Pedit: I think that C+G should reach out to the mod, see what the effect of breaking the limit is/was, and see if it is gonna happen now that it has been revealed, and report back.

STD literally got married over the night phase, so I could see him missing it.

Yeah I mean, sure, he could have missed it. As a wannabe game designer myself, if I made that up I'd be all over counting those words and punishing. Do I do that when it overlaps with my WEDDING? Maybe not lol.

That's only 1 point in the suspicion here though.

Can you talk about the other reasons you suspect us?
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Does it really matter what Dunnstral was?
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

In what way? What puzzle are we solving that is aided by knowing Dunnstral's role?
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

I don't think that helps very much in a game where roles are not revealed on death. Also, it's day 2 on a 26 player large theme. Even if we had full flip information, it seems pretty pointless to be discussing it now rather than say day 5 or day 6 when it would be more relevant and useful.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

In what way? What puzzle are we solving that is aided by knowing Dunnstral's role?
~Cytosine

Dude knowing anyones role can give us info.
Like lol?
Why do you think Frog had the Rolecop role?

A town rolecop can verify and check claims that have been made, but that information is only useful while the target in question is still alive. Again, I am asking why it is so important to know a

dead

townie's role this early in the game. Information is only useful if you can draw meaningful conclusions from it, and my argument is that the conclusions one can draw from knowing Dunnstral's role is basically nil.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

You can't as if being wrong is wolfy, I think I justified myself very clearly on why I did what I did.

I took issue with the way you approached end of day 1, not with whatever particular reads you had day 1.

There's 5 scum
Surely scum would keep a log of who claims what

In my experience, this is rarer than you would think.

"We don't know who the scum are so we don't know how they were feeling" -Mathblade.
"The scum team are quiet because all of the loud people are dead (Luke, Bell, Pooky, Nancy are not loud apparently??) - Also mathblade.

This isn't really contradictory. Just because one does not

know

why something is a case doesn't mean one cannot make educated conjectures.

We also have nothing to lose? Like I don't understand the pushback

The pushback is that I think it is a waste of time, energy, and thread space.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Does anyone think that there is still a benefit for me to keep my neighbor unmentioned?


Pedit: I think that C+G should reach out to the mod, see what the effect of breaking the limit is/was, and see if it is gonna happen now that it has been revealed, and report back.

STD literally got married over the night phase, so I could see him missing it.

We did.
He says that we were close enough so we won't get modkilled for breaking the limit.
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

We're kind of behind.
Can any of you help catch us up?
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

We're kind of behind.
Can any of you help catch us up?
-Guanine

8816

Oh. Yeah.
I already found both Bell and Klick to be playing how I expected both to play as Town.
Then, I decided that it was likely NAI so moved them to null.
However, I decided that Klick wasn't posting a lot which I found scum!indicative while Bell's explanation for his behaviour made sense.
Then, after a while, especially since I read Dunn's claim, I decided to move both him and Klick to null so that I could re-evaluate my reads later.
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Rad, what lie was revealed?
I'm starting to worry that you're getting confbiased.
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

We're kind of behind.
Can any of you help catch us up?
-Guanine

8816

Oh. Yeah.
I already found both Bell and Klick to be playing how I expected both to play as Town.
Then, I decided that it was likely NAI so moved them to null.
However, I decided that Klick wasn't posting a lot which I found scum!indicative while Bell's explanation for his behaviour made sense.
Then, after a while, especially since I read Dunn's claim, I decided to move both him and Klick to null so that I could re-evaluate my reads later.
-Guanine

Your first read on both klick and bell wasn't a town read but a scum read though.

I meant "not how I expected".
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Rad, what lie was revealed?
I'm starting to worry that you're getting confbiased.
-Guanine

I cannot see how you're not lying about the post restriction. I'm absolutely biased by it because if you are lying, I can't see a town angle for it, and the additional confusion of me not understanding why no further votes have happened on you.

town!CaG - why doesn't scum jump on you here? It means you're not actually lying and since there's no momentum, no reason for scum to jump on?
scum!CaG - scum doesn't want to bus you if it's not necessary, and I'm the only one to vote so fuck it?

Either way is hard to understand.

I mean, maybe the others want you to be the scapegoat for our flip.
In my honest opinion, as much as I hope for the best, you'll look the most scummy from our flip.

[Cytosine and Guanine]

1 more thing CaG

I would appreciate a response to my 8693 post please

Sure.
I'm pretty sure that we never told Math that he couldn't share.
Though, it's most likely that he misinterpreted something.
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

DNA/C & G, what are your current reads?

Similar to before but moving Rad to Town because I feel like he gives off confbiased townie vibes.
Also, his questioning feels genuine.
I'm moving Mislim Bait to a townlean because their questioning and interactions feel genuine.
Meanwhile, I'm no longer sold on a Luke TR but am more convinced that Bell is Town.
So, I'm have Bell as a strong TR and move Luke to a Townlean.
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

What about their questioning and interactions feel genuine? Do you have any specific posts in mind?

For Mislim Bait?
Mainly stuff like 8816, 9141, 9144, 9147 as examples.
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Investigatives SHOULD get results even when they die by NAR as the mere act of dying is not a roleblock and does not interfere with the investigation in any way.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Oh - I can talk to dead people, but only Ceph since the other two weren't dead during N1.

Ceph isn't happy with a lot of you so ymmv in terms of getting something answered

Best Bird is town.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

At least one of Luke/Pooky/OTH are scum. Scum are driving the game too well for all of those to be town IMO

I confused by the make up of this trio? How did you land on these three?

These are the 3 that worry me most and I feel are pretty much universally town read and therefore unsuspected.

I think I could be holding onto an early scum read of OTH too hard though. I probably need to reevaluate that read at some point.

Pooky posts a lot but I literally can't think of anything that they have said this game.

You say all the right things and pick up on things that makes you town read people. But I don't see you aggressively pushing scum reads and this is the part that worries me.

If I'm completely honest, I'm also shocked that Dunn was killed over you/Pooky or someone else like that.

These reads can go on the back burner until Tomorrow or even D4 though. If you're all still alive, then questions will need to be asked.

whats the point of targetting dunn

if you target frog at least you will get a result or something

I'd target Dunn over Frog. I haven't really played with Frog much, but I feel that Dunnstral would have the more insightful takes. A role cop result /could be/ useful, but there's no real guarantee.

That's what I was trying to say earlier. I don't think all the neighbors are just town, no, otherwise what's the point of masons.

No one is insisting every neighbor is town.

Spoiler:

All the talk about Corwin made me want to go re-read his ISO, so I did.

I didn't see any mention of a neighborhood with C&G. There are some things that stood out though.

In post 1442 he town reads C&G, and the list appears to be either ordered Most Town to Least Town or at the very least, the town part is sectioned into Town and Lean Town. We know he reads me as town from his 1469 so it makes sense that he's just reading C&G as a stronger TR there with a TL on Johnny and T-Bone.

In all of C&G's read updates, they're reading Corwin as town.

C&G's opening vote is on Corwin which feels breadcrumby.

There's no other interaction between the 2 of them.

Some take aways:

1. I think Math's "corwin was doing work for both" or whatever he said is absolute nonsense but not necessarily scummy nonsense. I see no proof of it, but town!Math certainly could believe that and we don't have access to the neighborhood if it does exist, so it's possible that's not nonsense.

2. If anyone has a reason to read C&G town at that stage of the game, it's someone in a neighborhood with them where they can speak freely. Shouldn't SvS there just make the

impossible to read due to limitation

C&G null? In some weird scenario where Math comes in and claims a fake neighborhood, that's SvS but it's a set up that makes sense as far back as C&G's very first post/vote and following through with the matching town reads. Like it tracks with Corwin's behavior and they never mentioned it until Math comes in.

3. The immediate flavor claim of Jin does support the idea of the restriction as well as the neighborhood with Corwin/Math (Sun). Luke brought this up earlier and it made a lot of sense before I started thinking the restriction was a lie.

4. I suppose all the nonsense COULD have happened and C&G really isn't lying. I feel blinded by it currently.

@C&G can you tell us about your conversations with Corwin before he left? Also, what gave you such a strong town read on him?

Unvoting until I can make more sense of all this.

UNVOTE:

I'm responding to the bolded, and I don't know if Guanine addressed this already. Anyway, the conversation with Corwin in the neighborhood was pretty short. Here is more or less a post by post summary:

0: Dragon says we're neighbors (standard private thread stuff).
1: Guanine reveals our post restriction.
2: Guanine clarifies it does not apply in the neighborhood.
3: Corwin asks if they can help us by posting on our behalf.
4: I respond that I think it is a valid workaround but wonder if it is a good idea to out the neighborhood so early. I also express some thoughts on Enchant and Pooky (which I don't think ever made it into this thread).
5: Guanine clarifies his read on Lukewarm.
6: Guanine expresses frustration with T-Bone.
7: Guanine expresses why he thinks T-Bone is scum.
8: Guanine acknowledges that his judgement is clouded by his emotions.
9: Guanine expresses a town read on T-Bone.
10: Guanine is amazed by Lukewarm correctly speculating about flavor in 522.
11: I post some notes I had from pages 5-10. (I don't these were relayed to the main thread.)
12: I ask why Corwinoid is so quiet in the neighborhood.
13: Corwinoid explains about IRL issues.
14: Guanine talks about his suspicion of Bell.
15: Guanine talks more about Bell and also a little about Luke.
16: Guanine fixes an error in post 15.
17: Corwinoid agrees implicitly with Guanine's Bell read and gives some thoughts of their own.
18: Corwinoid asks why we wasted words on a specific post.
19: Guanine clarifies he was checking his understanding.
20: I post more notes I had. The referenced post numbers range from 1136 to 1208. (Again, I don't think this made it into this thread.)
21: Guanine comments T-Bone is quite happy.
22: Guanine references and comments on Frog's fake vig post.
23: Corwinoid agrees with Guanine and talks about how upset they were shot at that point.
24: Guanine likes a post from Dunnstral about Bell.
25: Guanine fixes an error in 25.
26: Guanine says he likes Bell personally but not the way Bell is acting this game.
27: This is MathBlade's first post.

As for early town read, I can't speak for Guanine, but for me personally, it mostly comes down to post 3. Being willing to help us so early without really having any knowledge of our alignment is a massive leap of faith, and while it's not impossible, I don't think it's the leap of faith scum would make. I think the other facet of the read is an implicit neighbor bias that is stronger in the early game when you don't have many reads elsewhere.

I'm not sure any of that changes my take on anything though. Their content today has been bad - after a day post restricted I'd be wanting to get as many of my thoughts out as possible. My read on them isn't as tied up with my read on math as maybe it should be.

This is more or less a time issue for me. I don't have as many thoughts as I'd like because 1) I've missed a lot of context (I've only read maybe 5% of the posts in the game) and 2) once you're unengaged, it's hard to get back to that point. As for Guanine, I think he said he's pretty busy at this time phase too, so that's probably why he hasn't posted as much.

Actually, masons for the Math and C&G slots makes a lot of sense given both the flavor and their TRs on each other.

Is a setup with 2 mason groups ridiculous and unheard of? My main concern with this idea is:

Yeah I'm not going to bother trying to keep up at this point, 70 pages is too much.

I can vaguely tell there's a wagon on me. I'm claiming Mason.

UNVOTE: Roden
(move Town)
-Guanine

A C&G mason would have to believe that 2 mason groups in this set up is totally legit and there's no reason to question the other mason claim at all.

I think considering the Math and C&G slots are viable wagons right now, they should just claim if they're masons?

Sadly, we are just regular neighbors.

1 more thing CaG

I would appreciate a response to my 8693 post please

Sure.
I'm pretty sure that we never told Math that he couldn't share.
Though, it's most likely that he misinterpreted something.
-Guanine

Math said this multiple times. Like a lot.

Why did you not try to correct it. Like, could have been 1-2 words, but if you saw your only interpreter repeatedly saying you said something you didn't say, why was that not a priority for your word use?

1) Most likely, we just... didn't see it? Maybe Guanine did, but I most certainly didn't.
2) It's not really that important in the grand scheme of things.

With that said, there was maybe one thing I asked not be shared on the 15th simply because I felt it would detract from the current thread momentum too much.

@luke, I disagree that Rad is town.

I dunno why C&g is playing how they are this game, but I doubt they haven’t seen my shade directed their way.
They’re intentionally ignoring me. Which I can’t do anything with.

If it's too subtle or you don't spell out one of our names, I'll miss it. I can only read like 3-10 pages a day.

At least one of Luke/Pooky/OTH are scum. Scum are driving the game too well for all of those to be town IMO

I confused by the make up of this trio? How did you land on these three?

These are the 3 that worry me most and I feel are pretty much universally town read and therefore unsuspected.

I think I could be holding onto an early scum read of OTH too hard though. I probably need to reevaluate that read at some point.

Pooky posts a lot but I literally can't think of anything that they have said this game.

You say all the right things and pick up on things that makes you town read people. But I don't see you aggressively pushing scum reads and this is the part that worries me.

If I'm completely honest, I'm also shocked that Dunn was killed over you/Pooky or someone else like that.

These reads can go on the back burner until Tomorrow or even D4 though. If you're all still alive, then questions will need to be asked.

I will double check, but I think Luke has had good takes throughout the game as far as I can recall.
Pooky is town by claim.
Off The Hook I'd have to think about honestly. I've seen things both ways for them.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

I feel Dunnstral would give more insightful comments if they lack a specific role result.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

*even if
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

C&G is off, but I can smell the fake role posturing from here.
If they're actually just neighbor VT here they're playing exceptionally badly as either alignment.
I'll leave a 0 star review on their yelp page.

What if we are telling the truth but forgot certain details?
It's not impossible.
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

VOTE: BlueBloodedToffee
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Because I'd rather have us voting somewhere. Before you ask, "Why did it take so long?", it comes down to hydra dynamics.

For BlueBloodedToffee specifically, it's a combination of factors: 1) Guanine isn't town reading the slot (to my knowledge anyway) 2) There were a few comments early game about BlueBlooded's engagement level compared to their excitement before the game 3) lack of noteworthy takes (at least as far as I've seen).
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

I'm never going to be fully "caught up" as that would require reading 200 more pages than I have already though I did see the apparent hammer on the last few pages. (I didn't see that before I voted.) I know Guanine had read the entire game up to Day 1, but I'm not sure how much of Day 2 he's read.

My strategy this game has been reading the last 3-8 pages each day when I check the thread.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Also, not sure if this was ever shared, but MathBlade said in neighborhood that he was more or less "functionally vanilla neighbor" but that he wasn't vanilla in the sense he would appear as such to a role cop.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Also, cytosine, the reason people are asking you about your vote is because math has already been hammered, and we are in twilight.

(I didn't see that before I voted.)

~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

I mean that just means he would show up as a neighbor, not vanilla ? Right

I think I did not translate well enough. It's more that he has an ability of some sort, but he believes it to be extremely minor.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

oh shit i almost forgot we got C+G with the possible fake hood that we can lim after we yeet bella and johnny

hot damn we have a lot of people to kill

I thought that people found our post restriction fake and that we were in a SvS hood?
Since when was our hood fake too?
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

BBT, I agree with Roden's reasoning.
I feel like it's not impossible for you to be scum with Math.
It's pretty easy to SR a scumbuddy for totally nonsense reasons to make them look aligned so your point's moot.
Luke would know this because I did something similar to him when we were scum together.
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Who was scum reading who for totally nonsense reasons?

I was SRing Luke for nonsense reasons in Open 840.
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Hi. So we got a mafia flip and potentially another one? noice.
iirc C&G got a neighbor chat with Math so maybe you could copy paste the whole chat here

We can't because that'll be against the rules but we could paraphrase.
I'll do that when I get the time.
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

I'm on board with a Bella lim. I can give a summary of Math chat tomorrow if you want, but I don't think it'll be very useful.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

That would be true perhaps except doctor is a pretty common fake claim to buy time.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

BTW Johnny is Doc from my understanding.

Johnny doc? Interesting. I thought you were thinking BBT was doc.

Based off these, I'm starting to wonder if Drapion targeted BBT and found out that they weren't going anywhere.
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

BTW Johnny is Doc from my understanding.

Johnny doc? Interesting. I thought you were thinking BBT was doc.

Based off these, I'm starting to wonder if Drapion targeted BBT and found out that he didn't go anywhere.
-Guanine

EBWOP
Sorry, BBT.

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Hello folks.

What would you like to hear from us? Regarding Puppets earlier question about summarizing math chat: 1) the game thread closed pretty quick after the initial request 2) I forgot about it. If y'all think it's worth our time though, I can give a post-by-post paraphrase by tomorrow at noon central time.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

I can't really speak for Guanine as we haven't done the best job updating each other lately.

For my reads specifically, I'd say it's BlueBloodedToffee followed by Enchant.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Here's the post-by-post paraphrase/summary of the neighborhood starting with MathBlade's entrance. (I already summarized/paraphrased the posts leading up to MathBlade's entrance in 9386.) I am putting it in spoilers because it's pretty long. If I am being vague, it's because 1) I want to stay pretty clear of the "not quite a copy-paste but dangerously close to being one" line and 2) the question or comment was very likely insignificant and would not be very relevant at this point.

Spoiler: Neighborhood Summary Pages 2-4

27: MathBlade asks what he should look at first as the thread is very large.
28: MathBlade clarifies that 27 is also meant to help sort us.
29: I mention our post restriction to MathBlade and that I cannot help him catch up much.
30: MathBlade asks if it is known that he and us can speak together in private.
31: Guanine responds that the existence of the PT is not public yet.
32: Guanine quotes 31 that he forgot to sign and signs this post.
33: MathBlade says he will crumb the neighborhood.
34: Guanine agrees that crumbing is a good idea.
35: Guanine quotes 34 that he forgot to sign and signs this post.
36: MathBlade posts his first crumb (post #2398).
37: MathBlade posts his second crumb (post #2496).
38: MathBlade posts his third crumb (post #2510).
39: MathBlade says people are avoiding talking about Bell.
40: MathBlade asks us a question and says he can help us save words by posting for us.
41: I respond to the question in 40.
42: Guanine follows up my response in 41.
43: MathBlade says he is looking at vote counts.
44: MathBlade asks who our signatures correspond to.
45: I post some notes I had on the thread. I also respond to MathBlade's question in 44 explaining my view on the matter and letting Guanine decide.
46: MathBlade asks me if he can paraphrase my 45.
47: MathBlade posts his fourth crumb (post #2713).
48: MathBlade says that he posted my 45.
49: MathBlade wants the neighborhood to be public.

50: Guanine, responding to MathBlade's question in 44, says that he has already slipped who is who.
51: Guanine suggests MathBlade just claim his flavor Sun.
52: MathBlade double-checks whether we are okay with him claiming his flavor.
53: MathBlade makes an edit to his post in 52.
54: MathBlade makes another comment relating to 52.
55: MathBlade says he will go ahead and flavor claim.
56: Guanine asks a question to MathBlade.
57: MathBlade asks for Guanine to clarify the context for the question in 56.
58: MathBlade says he has not seen scum Lukewarm before and is hesitant to start a wagon there if Lukewarm is town.
59: Guanine responds and says that he liked Lukewarm's early game.
60: MathBlade asks if we need anything or can give him a reads list.
61: Guanine says he is moving Bell up to null and Dancing Puppets to town. He also mentions that Klick and Frog are still null as well.
62: Guanine says he still has reservations about Bell.
63: MathBlade asks us to clarify what can be shared.
64: MathBlade wonders if it is possible that everyone except Bell is town.
65: Guanine responds that everything from him is shareable.
66: Guanine responds to MathBlade's 64 with the fact that Taly confirmed Bell as Boone.
67: MathBlade responds to Guanine's 66 that it is either a fake claim, or MathBlade's theory is off.
68: MathBlade is frustrated with the game.
69: MathBlade asks us what reads we want to share.
70: I respond to MathBlade's 64 with it being unlikely given how Save the Dragons advertised the game.
71: MathBlade says that he got a bit upset.
72: MathBlade asks us what a long number means.
73: MathBlade agains says he would like for us to give him something to post.
74: I respond to 72 by explaining how Pooky wanted reads Day 1.

75: MathBlade says the scum are the active players. He specifically calls out Dancing Puppets.
76: MathBlade asks us to further explain our Dancing Puppets town read.
77: Guanine responds to 76 with an elaboration.
78: Guanine reiterates that MathBlade can share anything Guanine posts.
79: Guanine says he is at page 172 in the the thread.
80: MathBlade once again asks us to further explain our town read of Dancing Puppets.
81: MathBlade complains that reading the game is hard due to to how quickly the game is progressing.
82: MathBlade explains why he unvoted and asks us to give some scum reads.
83: Guanine talks a bit about Dancing Puppet's 4367.
84: MathBlade says that he is still not convinced by our arguments that Dancing Puppets is town.
85: Guanine states that Roden's claim has removed Roden from Guanine's scum reads.
86: Guanine gives in a bit to MathBlade's 84.
87: MathBlade asks us to give a quick blurb for every player we town read.
88: MathBlade says that he would like to town read Dancing Puppets, but he needs a good reason to do so.
89: Guanine asks MathBlade to clarify 87.
90: MathBlade believes there are scum in the people voting Roden.
91: Guanine posts our list of town reads and reasons why.
92: Guanine makes some corrections to 91.
93: Guanine clarifies that the list reflects most his opinion rather than our collective opinion.
94: MathBlade is somewhat satisfied by what Guanine has given him to work with.
95: Guanine suggests Klick as the potential scum in the Roden voters.
96: MathBlade is okay with wagoning Klick but is worried about how that may be perceived.
97: Guanine suggests the best strategy for wagoning Klick is to combine forces with Bell.
98: MathBlade says that he voted Klick.
99: MathBlade says he is not town reading Bell.

I'll post the other half of the neigbhorhood chat and our thoughts on associations and anti-associations tomorrow.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Okay

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Uh, I think that would be cutting it close to quoting private communications.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

6 - Thursday
9 - Thursday
12 - Friday
18 - Saturday
24 - Saturday

I do not wish to go in more specificity.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

6 - Thursday
9 - Thursday
12 - Friday
18 - Saturday
24 - Saturday

I do not wish to go in more specificity.
~Cytosine

Sorry C&G wrong answer. I don't see why you wouldn't just give us dates and times so I could go verify that what was said matches with the state of the game at the time.

It's a site rule.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

If anybody's curious, I did tell Math at one point that I hoped for people's reads on Bell to be like the morning star as in that I hoped that he would become widely TRed early on.
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

What happened to Taly?
I haven't heard from him in a while.
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

VOTE: Enchant
For good measure.

I'm onboard with having Rad limmed next.

I didn't get around to summarizing the rest of the neighborhood, but Guanine and I had agreed that Enchant was scum given Math had put Enchant as "??? null" in Math's read just as Math did for Bella. Rad was also a solid null for MathBlade and never really mentioned; we believe Math's null reads had most of the scum.

Dancing Puppets is probably clear based on what I posted yesterday; looking iver that interaction, it doesn't seem the thing scum Math would do to his partner.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

BlueBloodedToffee
Taly Toogeloo
MalcolmTucker
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar)
Rad
RCEnigma The toad
Mislim Bait
JohnnyFarrar
Cat Scratch Fever humaneatingmonkey

The above is my current PoE based mostly off claims but also some reads and anti-associatives with MathBlade.

Of these names, I think my preference goes Rad --> BlueBlooded --> Mislim Bait, but I imagine I'm wrong on at least one of those three names. Disclaimer: This reflects my (Cytosine's) perspective. Guanine's reads may differ.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

You could probably just read from Day 3 onward. That's only 20 pages or so I think.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Nvm, day 3 was longer than I thought.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

hmmmmm ill check that all out, not promising much

my idea of

"getting current"

is ISOing dead mafia, not reading tons of circular conversation.

if there's claimed innocents like with

pooky

on

luke/tbone

, that's good information.

ill throw

bell/luke

into the mix for NKA.



we're going to bed, nighties all

<3

If you're interested in dead mafia, you might want to look at our ISO for the MathBlade neighborhood synopsis.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Wasn’t going to mention Rad, but I don’t like that post at all.

Somewhat agree.
Feels somewhat like an attempt at shading Roden.
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

@Rad - I'm pretty sure you used that exact line of reasoning for why I was scum when you were scum and I was town in our last game.

Out of curiosity, can you link that game so that we can see for ourselves the similarities.
It would be useful for Town.
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

viewtopic.php?p=13427572#p13427572

Here C&G ^^^

'I'll admit that I didn't know how to read BBT last game and I'm having the same difficulty this game. If I relied on meta, this game feels identical to how he played in my last game with him where he was scum. I think that's weak reasoning though so I'm coming into this game with a null read on him.'

Taken from the linked post above.

I see.
It is very similar though Rad replaced in during that game which means that it could've been Rad thinking that prior to being in the game, making it NAI.
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

You'll notice in that same game that he was town reading me until I started suspecting him - just like he has done here.

I see.
I haven't read that far past the linked post because I'm going to sleep and I have an important exam tomorrow.
I think that I'll take your word for now.
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

TBH I wouldn't say that I dislike much of what Rad has done except for mainly his 11193 and the similarities to his scumgame that BBT has mentioned before.
And the problem with 11193 is mainly because I felt like it was shading Roden.
But then Rad seems to justified in saying in 11281 that scum!him won't beattacking everybody.
Also, I'm really going to sleep now.
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

TBH I wouldn't say that I dislike much of what Rad has done except for mainly his 11193 and the similarities to his scumgame that BBT has mentioned before.
And the problem with 11193 is mainly because I felt like it was shading Roden.
But then Rad seems to justified in saying in 11281 that scum!him won't beattacking everybody.
Also, I'm really going to sleep now.
-Guanine

Let's be clear. I'm shading Roden for sure. His 2095 is drastically different than here and I want that known. I doubt he'd even disagree regardless of his alignment this game. town!Roden here is just being complacent due to being mason confirmed. scum!Roden lied about being a mason and is kicked back trying not to stir the pot. Both options are completely different than the 2095 Roden.

I'm also shading Mala for the drastic difference with 2095. I think 11229 is reasonable, but I also thought the plan with waiting a day on Bella was reasonable, so whatever. That ties up Drap for the night as well, and if Drap gets targeted and dies, we're stuck with unconfirmed Mala and dead Drap with no way of confirming beyond something silly like BB talks to someone Mala targets... So yeah, it gets convoluted, so maybe a bad plan.

Regarding the similarities BBT pointed out (me turning on him after he suspected me or whatever), 11287 explains why that's wrong, but you can look at that and consider it after you've slept.

I see.
Thank you for your explanation.
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

It's a hot take but not a super unreasonable one.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

btw did Luke ever claim/soft his role?

I don't think that Luke hardclaimed anything though he might've softed somewhere.
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Let's be real, Rad is under pressure and flailing. I just haven't decided what that says about his alignment yet. It does strike me as completely different from how he has played the game up to this point.

I agree with this somewhat but I think that this could be town!Rad losing hope which is affecting his play but it could also be scum!Rad doing a similar thing.
However, I disagree that Rad is flailing but rather his play has changed.

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Let's be real, Rad is under pressure and flailing. I just haven't decided what that says about his alignment yet. It does strike me as completely different from how he has played the game up to this point.

I agree with this somewhat but I think that this could be town!Rad losing hope which is affecting his play but it could also be scum!Rad doing a similar thing.
However, I disagree that Rad is flailing but rather his play has changed.

-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

And for Nancy it's the "Anyone with a brain can see I'm town here so the fact they're not looking elsewhere is obviously scum indicative"

This is very typical of Nancy as both alignments especially town.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Again, Marci has a distinctive alignment based posting style: See Invitivus and HDP, scum and OMB + this game, town. I realized that when someone mentioned Invitivus and I realized that it looked identical to HDP. wherz here her posting is identical to OMB. Marci’s posting is like night and say, totally dependent on alignment.

Are these all game titles or acronyms because this is absolute gibberish to me

I think that they are abbreviated names of games.
I'm pretty sure that Invitivus is Prism's Invictus Redux while HDP is Pooky's Holiday Dance Party.

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Again, Marci has a distinctive alignment based posting style: See Invitivus and HDP, scum and OMB + this game, town. I realized that when someone mentioned Invitivus and I realized that it looked identical to HDP. wherz here her posting is identical to OMB. Marci’s posting is like night and say, totally dependent on alignment.

Are these all game titles or acronyms because this is absolute gibberish to me

I think that they are abbreviated names of games.
I'm pretty sure that Invitivus is Prism's Invictus Redux while HDP is Pooky's Holiday Dance Party.

-Guanine again

[Cytosine and Guanine]

C&g are you still scumreading BBT? What do you think of the town argument in 11284?

Personally, I haven't been SRing BBT since his interactions with Rad.
I think that the argument by Mislim seems logical and reading through it had definitely made me feel better about BBT.
Though, I can't speak for Cytosine.
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

not alot but I dug more bella spews

Don't agree with frog about the Titus hydra for now, but can see where they are coming from. Reassured cat is picking up the same vibes as me from galron.

They used cat's read as kind of a reassurance to look good for their galron read which is PD's previous slot

2080 is super town, tbone! What's your issue with cat.
?

2080 definitely isn't super town which reeks tmi

@tsly, you disagree? I think cat evaluates a ton of slots, but also sees some stuff where they disagree but also take the time to work out if the thought process behind it comes from a solveu town mindset. Plus, they were sharing a bunch of my thoughts - the ceph wagon, toad, etc. I disliked t bones reaction a lot, but also I think I'm just a bit clashy with t bone in general

Again they kind of used csf's reads to look good saying that they shared the same read on ceph and we already know that ceph is town.

I don't know how to read professor drapion - yesterday I was scum with frog, and today their scum reads are weird. I also think the consistent push on CSF is ridiculous, as they are my strongest town read.

They called csf their strongest town and used it to shade pd's push on csf

CSF is still obv town.

They kept calling csf obv town
I honestly haven't looked at any of csf posts on a microscope so I'm not sure how justified a tr on them is but this looks good for csf
especially when it's compared to bella's hedgy read on mathblade their scum buddy.

Remind me, what was Bella's read on MathBlade?

I think you raise a good point here, but I'm a bit wary of jumping to conclusions too quickly.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Best explanation for Bella reading csf hard town is that csf is town. I realize that's convenient for me given Bella's read on me, but the easiest thing for scum to do is to take a town member and openly read them town, cause it's just a correct read. It's much riskier for scum to openly read other scum as town because those scum aren't going to be nearly as townie. I think it makes the most sense that scum read other scum as null or even lean scum, especially early game where this will give distancing and also make their reads look better than if they're reading inherently scummy stuff as townie.

This argument doesn't really hold up. Yes, there is a bias towards scum reading your scum partner, but that bias makes you see things that town would not normally see. It may be more difficult for some people, but it's definitely doable to account for that in your scum play. Also, bussing was a thing at one point /precisely because/ there was a trend of town reading your scum partners. Bussing was a response that shattered conventional wisdom at the time of not scum reading your partner.

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Ftr I think Mala and BB are prolly both town. We knew dead folks could do some business from the jump, so both their claims come off as too ballsy for scum

Feels like it would make more sense for one to be town and one to be scum. Fake claiming is not a viable strategy, yes, but that does not preclude true claiming as either alignment.
~Cytosine (last post was also Cytosine)

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Why are we in your PoE then?

Because you could be scum WITH that role

Actually tbh, coroner seems like a role that should go to town. I got to admit I'm not super impressed with Off The Hook's play here though.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

You don't see how I could possibly think you're scum in this game? I mean, there is no reason to elim you from my PoE and on top of that you heavily town read both flipped scum.

Like, how do you not understand where this read could come from?

PEdit - Why is it scummy?

Maybe I was wrong to townread C&G? I feel like I've seen RH9 be more engaged in Dead/Spectator PTs than this game.

Maybe I was wrong to townread C&G? I feel like I've seen RH9 be more engaged in Dead/Spectator PTs than this game.

What about Bella wanting to vote them > Math?

That's the only reason I ever townread them.

But the two of them put together barely has more posts than the mod. I get they had a post restriction day 1, but still...

1) This game is draining.
2) We are both busy. Not so busy we cannot play, but busy enough where being always present is not at all practical.
3) All the action happens when I am working further decreasing my engagement with the thread.

If you think the reads chart is bad then maybe you can tell me what the updated reads are

To be fair, a reads chart from Day 1 IS pretty useless on Day 5 or whatever.

BlueBloodedToffee - Obvtown

butterflies (Nancy Drew 39 and Flea The Magician)

Malakittens - Spewed town from Corwin

Taly - Spewed town from Math

PookyTheMagicalBear - Spewed town from Math

MalcolmTucker
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar)

ProfessorDrapion - Tracker

Roden - Mason

Rad - Spewed town from Corwin

RCEnigma - Spewed town from Math

butterchurn - Mason

Mislim Bait

JohnnyFarrar - Spewed town from Bella

Cytosine and Guanine (Ircher and RH9) - Likely town from Bella choosing to vote them over Math instead of me?

T-Bone - Semi-confirmed from Pooky

Cat Scratch Fever - Spewed town from Bella (?)

Best Bird

That leaves;

Butterflies
Malcolm
OtH
Mislim
Best Bird

I'm not convinced on CSF, C&G, Rad or Johnny but I think I'm happy to go with this pool right now.

You can cross off butterflies.

I understand I have to wait for a fair few people to die before I start pushing Butterflies so I just have to be patient with that one.

You shouldn't trust other people's reads either; especially when they're scum

Remember, they had Math at '80% town' and 'hard TR' Bella, too.

Yes, Nancy sometimes has extreme confidence in her reads. I don't get why you are presupposing she is scum here though.

88: MathBlade says that he would like to town read Dancing Puppets, but he needs a good reason to do so.

Is the most interesting line.

Did Math actually push this much in thread?

Yes.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

We were talking more at the beginning of the game but haven't been doing so much at all lately.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

C&G needs to vote more
All days ended with them not voting anyone

This.

All right.
VOTE: Malcolm because out of Cytosine's PoE, this is somebody who I'm OK with voting.
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Could be, but that's the story with quite a few people. I think oth and csf have the scummiest vibes.

I'm also fully into this T- Bone vs Drap unrequited connection here, might vote there if one of them doesn't resolve soon

Why is CSF scummy?
Her posts don't particularly give off those vibes to me.
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Mala's claim doesn't look too hot. I definitely wouldn't call that a shining beacon of towniness.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

You know some people made the same argument when Bella claimed doc. I think Math tried making the argument with his role too.

I think it's safe to say role is divorced from alignment.

There's a difference between believing someone's claim and doubting their alignment versus doubting their claim but believing their alignment.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Mala's claim doesn't look too hot. I definitely wouldn't call that a shining beacon of towniness.
~Cytosine

Go on Lim me then.

Here I’ll even help Rad’s stupid push and movement.

Once I’m dead, kill rad and then look at OTH

And then get actual fuckifn scum

Rather than go for easy fucking targets.

VOTE: Mala

I'd like to eliminate Rad, but I'm getting vetoed on that. I also think Malcolm is a better lim than you despite my comment. I'm just saying your claim is not the get-out-of-jail free card that you would like it to be.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

My reads are for the most part not based on associations between living players.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Why are we elimming Mala again?

No idea really.
Apparently, people took her response to not being obvtown badly.
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Mala/Malcolm I’m confident contain a wolf.

I don't think that Mala self-votes if she is scum.
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Mala/Malcolm I’m confident contain a wolf.

I don't think that Mala self-votes if she is scum.
-Guanine

I mean I’ve done it as wolf before, what stops mala?

I don't think that it's within her scumrange to do that in response to pressure at that time.

Mala/Malcolm I’m confident contain a wolf.

I don't think that Mala self-votes if she is scum.
-Guanine

She certainly shouldn’t as town.

That's true.
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Actually if Mala is a wolf it will spew Rad town for everyone.

I missed this before but why?
I don't think that Mala's interactions with Rad are indicative of his alignment.
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Mala is definitely playing up the AtE factor, but I disagree that this looks like self-preservation.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Let's kill a mason and then coroner to be sure

I seriously hope this post is in jest. If not, you’re extremely lucky Pooky towncleared you.

he's joking/baiting i think lol

With him or Drap, I have a very difficult time being able to determine that. I think Pooky is really obvious town now and Drap seriously suggested we lim him before elo.

I would prefer to lim slots that I think could actually be scum.

No let me clarify.

The reason you should ONLY and EXACTLY vote Pooky the day before XyLo is this:
1) Could be a wolf going through deepwolf Territory and Frog was right on Pooky
2) If Pooky is Town, T-Bone is confirmed town which forces mafia to either kill them or we get a free IC into XyLo which is very good for us.

Okay... But how is a XyLo with both Pooky and T-Bone dead different from a XyLo with Pooky there and T-Bone dead? This plan is silly.

To present a towncase for myself, for anyone on the fence:

1. My pushes have been consistent and reasonable. The most tunnelled I've probably gotten is on Rad but I genuinely think Rad is scum and I've also been willing to reevaluate the slot at times. Thought Johnny was scum initially but I've reassessed there too. I don't believe I'm playing with any sort of agenda that would fit scum if you look through my posts.

2. My voting record is reasonable. I voted Taly D1 when we know Ceph was town. I get Taly is likely town but that cannot be 100% guaranteed - what is an absolute guarantee is that I voted to save someone who turned out to be a confirmed townie.

3. My vote on Math was not particularly opportunistic or last-minute. I discussed the slot a bit in the hood with Luke too, who set out their case and elaborated on what they'd posted in the main thread. I bought that and at the same time soured on my initial feeling that Math's frustration seemed genuine or townie.

4. Luke being eliminated overnight. Why does scum Malcolm do this? Luke was TR'ing me. Their insights were useful in the hood - even if I were scum, it'd be a good way for me to gauge thoughts/ideas in a way that could be beneficial for my scum team if I take said ideas back to them, given Luke thought I was town. I get you could believe there's a misdirect - but every vote counts and there's no reason for me to eliminate a prominent townie who was townreading me and also scumreading my own main scumread. The benefits of any misdirect are outweighed by the risk of being eliminated by players who are inherently more hostile to me.

2) Is this really the angle you are going to go with your voting record? Like that is really really weak. If both Taly and Cephrir are town, who you vote hardly matters as it is lose-lose regardless.
4) Okay, you might have a point except there's two other scum still alive. Even if Luke is reading you as town, it's very possible that Luke has nailed the other two scum on your team making it beneficial to still kill you. I still find this reasoning overall too speculative to be used for process of elimination.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Malcolm.
Can you explain your SRs on CSF and BB?
I don't get them, especially on CSF who hasn't been doing scummy things as of late.
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

I see.
Though, I think that CSF's push on Johnny is NAI because it could be due to her not wanting to vote you or Mala and Johnny being her SR.
On the other hand, why is Johnny a TR? He's still null for me.
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

I think wagon dynamics today strongly suggest one of Malcolm or Mala is scum.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

We could flip Drap too

Honestly wouldn't be opposed to this.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

(Disclaimer: That's not a serious option I'd consider right now, but I'm still kinda suspicious of ProfessorDrapion.)
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

By the way, has anybody explained their Johnny TRs yet with something not to do with the possibility of him being a Doctor?
Because otherwise, I think that I might agree with T-Bone.
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

500 pages ought to be a crime. I have nothing nee to say other than this day should have been over by now.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

By the way, has anybody explained their Johnny TRs yet with something not to do with the possibility of him being a Doctor?
Because otherwise, I think that I might agree with T-Bone.
-Guanine

I don't think Johnny is scum

That's kind of what I meant.
I don't SR Johnny but I don't get why Drapion is TRing Johnny for being a potential Doctor.
Sorry for the confusion.
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Someone summarize for me again the reasons for voting Mala and for voting BlueBlooded. Ideally in one sentence.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

VOTE: Mala
Everyone should choose one of the top two wagons to vote. It's time for the day to end.
~Cyotsine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Don't like how the Mala wagon keeps stalling whenever it gets near to going through.

So got anything more to add this this? You're damn good when you get rolling and I'm not seeing you rolling.

-Butterflea

If Mala ends up being Town, do you think that we should lim Malcolm tommorow?
Because I think that at least one of the leading wagons prior to the wagon on BBT is scum.
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Don't like how the Mala wagon keeps stalling whenever it gets near to going through.

So got anything more to add this this? You're damn good when you get rolling and I'm not seeing you rolling.

-Butterflea

If Mala ends up being Town, do you think that we should lim Malcolm tommorow?
Because I think that at least one of the leading wagons prior to the wagon on BBT is scum.
-Guanine

Sure, as long as we can elim you afterwards if they're both town.

Got that though don't blame us if three Town get mislimmed.
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Ok Butterflies is clear.

If they were wolf they would have attacked cause they wouldn’t think I’d track them.

They visited no one.

This is actually like a pretty poor track target, but okay.

Both of Pooky’s checks also died back to back.

So don’t go clearing Pooky, I still remember Frog’s legacy.

I think it makes sense to kill the clears first as killing the clearer makes the clears 100% town (as opposed to 98% town). This is with the caveat that the clearer may have more actions, but I would trust that scum here would make a good judgement as to that likelihood.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Rad + Prof + BBT is my current hero solve.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

I've consistently stated a scum read on Rad for at least an entire day phase now, Pooky. I've just been vetoed on voting there due to hydra logistics.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

oh shit here comes DNA with the bussing now that rad's blown up in his own lies

this is lit

this is fake.



this might just be Pooky though idk.

I'd lean towards just Pooky.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

A paranoia track huh...
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

pagetop
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Why are you hard defending Drap here Rad? The Prof can defend their own actions.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Because the Prof doesn't need your backup on the matter.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

No it isn’t “common sense”, not when you had far better options and objectively way more suspicious slots.

Like this i don't get. Is Drap scum for the decision? If so, push him, vote him, etc. Is he bad town for it? If so, why the hell are you throwing shade on him?

I mean this isn’t the issue.

The issue is not understanding the situation of why I tracked them when it was made clear by not just me but also you.

I know it isn’t the most optimal but it was justifiable and I find it odd people aren’t getting that.

I think RAD could possibly be pocketing you with this. He might disagree and dislike my opinion on that but while I think you genuinely misunderstood me, RAD continuing to call my opinion “shade” even after I clarified my read on you doesn’t really sit well with me. So my read on you is unchanged but I’m not liking RAD’s recent posts wrongly accusing me of that.

I really need to think more about this.

I somewhat agree with this.
I would say that from what I've read of Rad's latest posts, I'm no longer that opposed to a vote on him.
Also, just saying, I agree with Cytosine's solve somewhat.
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

VOTE: Rad
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Huh.

I'm intrigued that you have a player who you don't seem to have a real read on and you don't want to investigate it further, in addition to this, you immediately begin to push a counter wagon in Malcolm.

For all Rad has accused me of focusing in on them throughout the game, their default is basically to constantly go back to voting me before eventually compromising on another lim target when the rest of the town aren't as keen on eliminating me.

Yeah you're my strongest scum read here. We should flip you for sure. Maybe me flipping green will make that happen.

If Malcolm is your strongest SR, why did you unvote him?
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Huh.

I'm intrigued that you have a player who you don't seem to have a real read on and you don't want to investigate it further, in addition to this, you immediately begin to push a counter wagon in Malcolm.

For all Rad has accused me of focusing in on them throughout the game, their default is basically to constantly go back to voting me before eventually compromising on another lim target when the rest of the town aren't as keen on eliminating me.

Yeah you're my strongest scum read here. We should flip you for sure. Maybe me flipping green will make that happen.

If Malcolm is your strongest SR, why did you unvote him?
-Guanine

No one's interested in voting him here. If a c&g counter wagon can save me, so be it. You're not a strong town read for me anyway and you're on my wagon. There's probably scum on my wagon so you seem like a reasonable bet. Any town read I have of you comes from the effort put into summarizing your neighborhood convos. Beyond that, I still think you most likely lied about your restriction and the back and forth between G and C on reading me feels manufactured. Maybe I'm wrong and you're town, but there's probably scum on my wagon and you're just the most likely from my POV.

I see.
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

@Guanine Why has your read on me changed? I'm writing up some stuff and I started to write about C&G and realized I don't actually know why G reads me scum now.

It's mainly due to me changing my opinion on your posts from the previous Day. I originally thought that you were Town and Malcolm was scum. But after some rereading, I think that Cytosine's probably right on you and Drapion, especially since your interactions with Drapion today don't look good.
But honestly, my read on you is all over the place.
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

If you take issue, you should fix it so that no one can claim such.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

So has anything interesting happened?
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

reading comprehension much?

he's not voting anyone other than malcolm or rad today.....

Tbf, it could have been worded better. It's good enough as written though.

I don't think Rad ever flips scum in this game.

VOTE: Johnny

I think there are a large group of people for whom this line is kind of out of scumrange. Tentative qualified TR on BBT for now

How so?

Also, I guess the answer to my question is no, nothing interesting happened.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

rad still scummy, drap still annoying, still no yeet

I thought that Yeet was around lately.
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

I think wagon dynamics today strongly suggest one of Malcolm or Mala is scum.
~Cytosine

What changed from this?

Nothing changed so much as the thought expressed was incomplete. I limited it to two names for tactical reasons, but Rad was also a major contender for the elimination and equally implicated by wagon dynamics. I would be surprised if {Mala, Malcolm, Rad} did not have a scum.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

C&G/Malcolm could be aligned then no?

So can OTH and butterflies?
They've been more invested in defending Malcolm than us.

But I don't think

that OTH/Malcolm/butterflies is the scumteam.
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

C&G/Malcolm could be aligned then no?

So can OTH and butterflies?
They've been more invested in defending Malcolm than us.

But I don't think

that OTH/Malcolm/butterflies is the scumteam.
-Guanine

That’s very clearly not remotely accurate for my slot. Where are you even getting this from?

Math tried to kill us, you posted that from your PT, remember?

I said that I

don't

think

that you are scum with Malcolm.
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

I’ve been hard defending your slot for most of the game. When have I ever done that with Malcolm?

@DNA/Guanine

My bad.
Sorry for the wrong accusation.
My memory's terrible.
I thought that you were defending Malcolm but on a reread, you weren't.
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

I'm trying to solve 2 things that are within my abilities here.
1. People who are not sure about town rad. That's ok and is reasonable but I want to see some reasons before I flip.
2. People who are absolutely convinced of town rad and are willing to go to endgame with that read, explain yourself.

I fully expect#1 to win here but I want to see reasons. I expect some town here and some scum. If you naked vote me fuck you get flipped next. We got time, show everyone why I'm scum.

Cytosine said that he thought that you were flailing under pressure.
I feel like some of your posts do give a similar impression to me though more so now then when he had said that.
I kind of feel like that self-vote was out of pressure but I can't tell if you're Town who has lost faith or scum who knows that he's been caught.
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

was Furtive's slot confirmed town before he replaced in?

No
He replaced RCE who replaced The toad.
Roden and butterchurn are the Masons.

[Cytosine and Guanine]

was Furtive's slot confirmed town before he replaced in?

No, I don't think so.
He replaced RCE who replaced The toad.
Roden and butterchurn are the Masons.
-Guanine

EBWOP

[Cytosine and Guanine]

I'm trying to solve 2 things that are within my abilities here.
1. People who are not sure about town rad. That's ok and is reasonable but I want to see some reasons before I flip.
2. People who are absolutely convinced of town rad and are willing to go to endgame with that read, explain yourself.

I fully expect#1 to win here but I want to see reasons. I expect some town here and some scum. If you naked vote me fuck you get flipped next. We got time, show everyone why I'm scum.

Cytosine said that he thought that you were flailing under pressure.
I feel like some of your posts do give a similar impression to me though more so now then when he had said that.
I kind of feel like that self-vote was out of pressure but I can't tell if you're Town who has lost faith or scum who knows that he's been caught.
-Guanine

Couple things.

Why am I scum if I'm flailing under pressure?

What pressure did I have at 4 votes vs Malcolm's 6 (would be 7 if I stayed on it) that caused me to self vote?

I'm half-asleep but I'm going to answer this now so that I don't have to think about it before my Maths test.
I didn't say that flailing under pressure was scummy. That's closer to Cytosine's opinion. I think that it's NAI.
Also, I feel like your self-vote might've been because you realised that even with Malcolm at 6 votes, due to some people there not strongly invested on his wagon, they might eventually move to you.
While that's not scummy, I feel like you probably realised that you were getting doomed.
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Do we think Furtive's push on Pooky comes from scum?

signs point to yes

So, do you think that we should vote furtive at some point?
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Yeah then we definitely need to get C&G then.

Explain this, please.
Is this because of some NAI thing or is it because a Mason thinks that it's a good idea?
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Yeah then we definitely need to get C&G then.

Explain this, please.
Is this because of some NAI thing or is it because a Mason thinks that it's a good idea?
-Guanine

If you bus Best Bird or BBT tomorrow then maybe you can live

Why do think that BB is scum?
I get the BBT SR but I don't really get why BB is scum. Though, Cytosine seemed to have an idea why.
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

I AM OPTIMAL TO PROTECT BOYO!


IT IS THROWING NOT TO PROTECT ME.


I TOLD YOU ALL RAD WAS TOWN AND BELLA WAS WOLF BUT YOU GUYS SEEM TO STRUGGLE WITH LISTENING I SHOULD’T HAVE TO EXPLAIN MYSELF.

There hasn't even been a flip yet. As scum, I would 100% troll in twolight.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Wait.
Are we voting Malcolm because he was JKed?
And the vote on OtH is for not using their ability last night?
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

VOTE: Malcolm
~Cytosine who is doing this without prior approval, but this seems a pretty cut and dry case.

[Cytosine and Guanine]

I also find it pretty hard to believe both marcistar and Gamma forgot to use their ability, but I am also willing to give them one (and

only

one) more night to prove their claim.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Masons are Clear.

Once again a horrible track choice from Drapion.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Masons are Clear.

Once again a horrible track choice from Drapion.
~Cytosine

Hey it would have been you if not them.

1) We're not scum so it wouldn't have mattered.
2) We wouldn't be performing the kill for most of the possible pairings in this game so you wouldn't catch us anyway.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Can someone summarize Furtive case. I'm not opposed necessarily but I haven't been paying much attention to that slot, sp some context would be useful.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

LOST

Cast:
BlueBloodedToffee
butterflies (Nancy Drew 39 and Flea The Magician)

Dancing Puppets (Nancy Drew 39 and Titus)

Malakittens
Yeet

Taly

Toogeloo

PookyTheMagicalBear
MalcolmTucker
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar)
ProfessorDrapion

Galron

Cephrir
Frogsterking
Roden
Rad
Mathblade

Corwinoid

furtiveglance

RCEnigma

The toad

Enchant
butterchurn

Dwlee99

Bellaphant
Mislim Bait
Bell
Dunnstral
JohnnyFarrar
Cytosine and Guanine (Ircher and RH9)
T-Bone
Cat Scratch Fever

humaneatingmonkey

Lukewarm
Best Bird

PenguinPower

Alive:

Spoiler:

butterflies (Nancy Drew 39 and Flea The Magician)
Yeet
PookyTheMagicalBear
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar)
ProfessorDrapion
Roden
furtiveglance
butterchurn
Mislim Bait
JohnnyFarrar
Cytosine and Guanine (Ircher and RH9)
Cat Scratch Fever
Best Bird

Remember! Roles aren't revealed upon death!

Dead:

Spoiler:

Cephrir killed D1
Frogsterking killed N1
Dunnstral killed N1

Mathblade killed D2

Bell killed N2

Bellaphant killed D3

Enchant killed D4
Lukewarm killed N4
Malakittens killed D5
T-Bone killed N5
Rad killed D6

MalcolmTucker killed D7

BlueBloodedToffee killed N7

butterflies (Nancy Drew 39 and Flea The Magician)
Yeet
PookyTheMagicalBear
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar)
ProfessorDrapion
Roden
furtiveglance
butterchurn
Mislim Bait
JohnnyFarrar
Cytosine and Guanine (Ircher and RH9)
Cat Scratch Fever
Best Bird

Remove Cat Scratch Fever as confirmed town from Malcolm flip:
Remove Roden and butterchurn as masons. Though the track was poor, it does make it exceedingly unlikely that the masons fake claimed.
Remove ourselves because we're town by role pm.

butterflies (Nancy Drew 39 and Flea The Magician)
Yeet
PookyTheMagicalBear
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar)
ProfessorDrapion
furtiveglance
Mislim Bait
JohnnyFarrar
Best Bird

Remove PookyTheMagicalBear and butterflies as very confident town reads by play.

Yeet
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar)
ProfessorDrapion
furtiveglance
Mislim Bait
JohnnyFarrar
Best Bird

So that's effectively my PoE. Still pretty large yes but I've not been paying too much attention to like half of the slots in this list.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

CSF are you down to Jailkeep me tonight?
I might not be able to track cause of it but at least I stay alive longer.

No, you should track and CSF should jail someone random. We guarantee some kind of result that way. CSF jailing you just means CSF dies. CSF probably just dies in most scenarios anyway, so you might as well get a final result.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

So I’m in your PoE despite literally being right on all the wolves and has been pushing all of them the hardest?
Taly is in your PoE yet their day 1 looked very much T/T wagons.
MisLim is in your PoE despite 3 different things that make them highly likely town.


Yeah um, the last wolves probably just C&G and RCE slot tbh.

I didn't eliminate anyone I had less than say 90% confidence in. I still think it's quite possible you bus-tracked Bella.

For Taly/Yeet, maybe but I didn't read too heavily day 1.

You're going to have to name the reasons for Mislim Bait.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

So um who you be paired with that would always perform kill over you?
Since that was one of your excuses.

Everyone I eliminated from my PoE.
You.
Yeet/Taly for the aforementioned reason.
Best Bird.
Probably Off the Hook too given scum can multitask.
I guess Mislim Bait too based on your assertion there's three different things making Mislim town here.

So I'd say we'd only perform the kill paired with Johnny or furtive here.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

LOST

Cast:
BlueBloodedToffee
butterflies (Nancy Drew 39 and Flea The Magician)

Dancing Puppets (Nancy Drew 39 and Titus)

Malakittens
Yeet

Taly

Toogeloo

PookyTheMagicalBear
MalcolmTucker
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar)
ProfessorDrapion

Galron

Cephrir
Frogsterking
Roden
Rad
Mathblade

Corwinoid

furtiveglance

RCEnigma

The toad

Enchant
butterchurn

Dwlee99

Bellaphant
Mislim Bait
Bell
Dunnstral
JohnnyFarrar
Cytosine and Guanine (Ircher and RH9)
T-Bone
Cat Scratch Fever

humaneatingmonkey

Lukewarm
Best Bird

PenguinPower

Alive:

Spoiler:

butterflies (Nancy Drew 39 and Flea The Magician)
Yeet
PookyTheMagicalBear
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar)
ProfessorDrapion
Roden
furtiveglance
butterchurn
Mislim Bait
JohnnyFarrar
Cytosine and Guanine (Ircher and RH9)
Cat Scratch Fever
Best Bird

Remember! Roles aren't revealed upon death!

Dead:

Spoiler:

Cephrir killed D1
Frogsterking killed N1
Dunnstral killed N1

Mathblade killed D2

Bell killed N2

Bellaphant killed D3

Enchant killed D4
Lukewarm killed N4
Malakittens killed D5
T-Bone killed N5
Rad killed D6

MalcolmTucker killed D7

BlueBloodedToffee killed N7

butterflies (Nancy Drew 39 and Flea The Magician)
Yeet
PookyTheMagicalBear
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar)
ProfessorDrapion
Roden
furtiveglance
butterchurn
Mislim Bait
JohnnyFarrar
Cytosine and Guanine (Ircher and RH9)
Cat Scratch Fever
Best Bird

Remove Cat Scratch Fever as confirmed town from Malcolm flip:
Remove Roden and butterchurn as masons. Though the track was poor, it does make it exceedingly unlikely that the masons fake claimed.
Remove ourselves because we're town by role pm.

butterflies (Nancy Drew 39 and Flea The Magician)
Yeet
PookyTheMagicalBear
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar)
ProfessorDrapion
furtiveglance
Mislim Bait
JohnnyFarrar
Best Bird

Remove PookyTheMagicalBear and butterflies as very confident town reads by play.

Yeet
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar)
ProfessorDrapion
furtiveglance
Mislim Bait
JohnnyFarrar
Best Bird

So that's effectively my PoE. Still pretty large yes but I've not been paying too much attention to like half of the slots in this list.
~Cytosine

Having Yeet in your PoE is ludicrous and I think you have way too many scumreads. Only removing CSF, masons, Pooky, us, isn’t great solving. Narrow this list down further.

Again, 90% confidence is a high threshold to surpass to remove from PoE.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

So I’m in your PoE despite literally being right on all the wolves and has been pushing all of them the hardest?
Taly is in your PoE yet their day 1 looked very much T/T wagons.
MisLim is in your PoE despite 3 different things that make them highly likely town.


Yeah um, the last wolves probably just C&G and RCE slot tbh.

I didn't eliminate anyone I had less than say 90% confidence in. I still think it's quite possible you bus-tracked Bella.

For Taly/Yeet, maybe but I didn't read too heavily day 1.

You're going to have to name the reasons for Mislim Bait.
~Cytosine

You think I Buss tracked Bella despite Math a wolf I had been pushing on died the previous day and everyone was planning to ML Johnny the next day?

People also TR’ed Bella when I found them having wolf equity with Math.

I also was trying hard to get others to switch to the Malcolm wagon in both Mala CW and Rad CW.

It tracks playstyle wise that you'd make the risky move of bussing your entire team and then coasting to victory. It's not impossible.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

So I’m in your PoE despite literally being right on all the wolves and has been pushing all of them the hardest?
Taly is in your PoE yet their day 1 looked very much T/T wagons.
MisLim is in your PoE despite 3 different things that make them highly likely town.


Yeah um, the last wolves probably just C&G and RCE slot tbh.

+1

That readslist looked pretty bad and reads +scum because it’s just removing the 2 confitown slots, two obvtown slots and throwing in slots that don’t make sense.
It's not a reads list. It's who am I not 90+% confident is town. I didn't classify the remaining people into whether I'm town reading or scum reading them.
Yeah, I think it’s probably furtive + DNA.

~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

My response gotten eaten up it seems. What I meant to say is my PoE is not a reads list. I did not specify (and will not for the time being) whether I am town reading or scum reading the people listed. All it means is I'm not 90+% confident X in the PoE is town.
~Cytosine

pedit: Drapion is a special case. I don't think most people would make that move, but Drapion I could 100% see making that sort of play.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

So um who you be paired with that would always perform kill over you?
Since that was one of your excuses.

Everyone I eliminated from my PoE.
You.
Yeet/Taly for the aforementioned reason.
Best Bird.
Probably Off the Hook too given scum can multitask.
I guess Mislim Bait too based on your assertion there's three different things making Mislim town here.

So I'd say we'd only perform the kill paired with Johnny or furtive here.

~Cytosine

Seriously dafuq?

So you’re in essence saying that neither Johnny or furtive can be scum here, because that’s the only way scum!you would perform the kill and we know you were jk’d.

If furtive flips red, DNA very likely buddy, imo.

No, that's not what I said at all.

I said that we would perform the kill

only if

Johnny or furtive was our partner. The converse that if Johnny/furtive is our partner, then we perform the kill is not necessarily true. It could be true, but it doesn't have to be. We may have elected to still let furtive or Johnny perform the kill in that case if we think it was wiser.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

LOST

Cast:
BlueBloodedToffee
butterflies (Nancy Drew 39 and Flea The Magician)

Dancing Puppets (Nancy Drew 39 and Titus)

Malakittens
Yeet

Taly

Toogeloo

PookyTheMagicalBear
MalcolmTucker
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar)
ProfessorDrapion

Galron

Cephrir
Frogsterking
Roden
Rad
Mathblade

Corwinoid

furtiveglance

RCEnigma

The toad

Enchant
butterchurn

Dwlee99

Bellaphant
Mislim Bait
Bell
Dunnstral
JohnnyFarrar
Cytosine and Guanine (Ircher and RH9)
T-Bone
Cat Scratch Fever

humaneatingmonkey

Lukewarm
Best Bird

PenguinPower

Alive:

Spoiler:

butterflies (Nancy Drew 39 and Flea The Magician)
Yeet
PookyTheMagicalBear
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar)
ProfessorDrapion
Roden
furtiveglance
butterchurn
Mislim Bait
JohnnyFarrar
Cytosine and Guanine (Ircher and RH9)
Cat Scratch Fever
Best Bird

Remember! Roles aren't revealed upon death!

Dead:

Spoiler:

Cephrir killed D1
Frogsterking killed N1
Dunnstral killed N1

Mathblade killed D2

Bell killed N2

Bellaphant killed D3

Enchant killed D4
Lukewarm killed N4
Malakittens killed D5
T-Bone killed N5
Rad killed D6

MalcolmTucker killed D7

BlueBloodedToffee killed N7

butterflies (Nancy Drew 39 and Flea The Magician)
Yeet
PookyTheMagicalBear
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar)
ProfessorDrapion
Roden
furtiveglance
butterchurn
Mislim Bait
JohnnyFarrar
Cytosine and Guanine (Ircher and RH9)
Cat Scratch Fever
Best Bird

Remove Cat Scratch Fever as confirmed town from Malcolm flip:
Remove Roden and butterchurn as masons. Though the track was poor, it does make it exceedingly unlikely that the masons fake claimed.
Remove ourselves because we're town by role pm.

butterflies (Nancy Drew 39 and Flea The Magician)
Yeet
PookyTheMagicalBear
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar)
ProfessorDrapion
furtiveglance
Mislim Bait
JohnnyFarrar
Best Bird

Remove PookyTheMagicalBear and butterflies as very confident town reads by play.

Yeet
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar)
ProfessorDrapion
furtiveglance
Mislim Bait
JohnnyFarrar
Best Bird

So that's effectively my PoE. Still pretty large yes but I've not been paying too much attention to like half of the slots in this list.
~Cytosine

Having Yeet in your PoE is ludicrous and I think you have way too many scumreads. Only removing CSF, masons, Pooky, us, isn’t great solving. Narrow this list down further.

Again, 90% confidence is a high threshold to surpass to remove from PoE.
~Cytosine

And you are ignoring blatant evidence that Yeet/Taly is town. Toog’s 2nd post and Math/Taly interactions during gladiate.

I didn't read most of the interactions during the gladiate as:

1) It happened while I was gone
2) Day 1 had way too many posts.

So I'm not "ignoring" the evidence so much as saying I can't be highly confident on that evidence on hearsay alone.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

@OtH
I have a theory that if C&G is wolf they didn’t have a Neighbourhood with Math so use your ability on math tonight.

Pretty sure Off the Hook claimed one shot and used it on Malcolm already.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Idk the current VC but I'm fine with following Butter's vote, I just don't want to accidentally hammer

I don't think that you will.
I'm pretty sure that furtive has around 2 votes.
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Idk the current VC but I'm fine with following Butter's vote, I just don't want to accidentally hammer

I don't think that you will.
I'm pretty sure that furtive has around 2 votes.
-Guanine

What is yo role if you don't mind?

We're Post-Restricted Neighbour in a hood with Math.
Though people think that our restriction is fake.
We softed in Post 6.

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Idk the current VC but I'm fine with following Butter's vote, I just don't want to accidentally hammer

I don't think that you will.
I'm pretty sure that furtive has around 2 votes.
-Guanine

What is yo role if you don't mind?

We're Post-Restricted Neighbour in a hood with Math.
Though people think that our restriction is fake.
We softed in Post 6.

-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Hello folks. I expect this day to be short.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Because…you were caught?

No.

Drapion needs to claim their result, but regardless of their result, we are getting limmed due to game dynamics. It's just the way it is.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

We claimed first post, and our claim hasn't changed since. I don't see the point in asking us about our original claim here. It's been hashed and rehashed enough. It certainly wouldn't be relevant to Drapion's result considering we never did and still do not claim an active ability.

Anyway, there's nothing to "help town" with. Everyone's pretty much made up their minds. I could (theoretically) write a case on why X is scum, and it would be ignored in favor of going through the stated PoE .
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

To be clear, I'm not against the PoE, but if that's the path that's going to be taken, do it quickly. Force Drapion to state their target and role unambiguously and then do it.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

To be clear, I'm not against the PoE, but if that's the path that's going to be taken, do it quickly. Force Drapion to state their target and result clearly unambiguously and then do it.
~Cytosine

EBWOP
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

To be clear, I'm not against the PoE, but if that's the path that's going to be taken, do it quickly. Force Drapion to state their target and result clearly unambiguously and then do it.
~Cytosine

EBWOP
~Cytosine

So your saying it’s impossible Drap tracked you to CSF?

Obviously.
Because we can't target anybody.
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

I understand so why is Drap voting you then?

He claimed he was going to track you but no explanation, just a vote.

I see.
I think that Drapion might have thought that CSF JKed us but he still wants us out.
Otherwise, he would've claimed his result faster.

[Cytosine and Guanine]

I understand so why is Drap voting you then?

He claimed he was going to track you but no explanation, just a vote.

I see.
I think that Drapion might have thought that CSF JKed us but he still wants us out.
Otherwise, he would've claimed his result faster.

-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Just remember tomorrow that you must kill Drapion. I am really not sure why Drapion though makes this move. That bothers me, but it's not going to be my problem to sort out.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

VOTE: Drapion
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Also, I want to remind everyone that this game has a bastard element. I'm not sure that we've seen that element yet. I have a theory (that I'm not sharing), and it would explain why the game is classified as bastard.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Nearly forgot:

1) From Guanine: He thinks Yeet is null; Yeet's slot hasn't done enough since Day 1 to maintain an early town read.
2) My final guess for scum team is ProfessorDrapion + Best Bird. I think the way Best Bird's play today reads SvS with Drapion.

This will be my last post (but Guanine might post more). Good luck.
~Cytosine