LOST (Game Over)

[Galron]

VOTE: OTH

Why not

[Galron]

clearly Ceph is Hated Godfather

oh shit

VOTE: cephrir

[Galron]

Luke is on my radar

[Galron]

VOTE: lukewarm

[Galron]

Luke's ISO reads like it's serious from the start, and all I really got out of it was 2 bad town reads and a lot of nothing.

Rad's prob town

[Galron]

100 word post restriction in a 26 player game

Doesn't exist but nai for Irchjer

[Galron]

Enchant, Ceph, Johnny, BlueBlooded, Bella, C&G, Galron, Dwlee, Corwin, Roden, DancingPuppets

are where I'm most expecting to get a successful D1 hit, based on PoE combined from myself and the players I (relatively) trust.

Right now I'm most interested in any takes which can help narrow down that pool of 11, including elaboration from those players themselves.

PEdit:

If Rh9 rolled scum and they love to talk then they can talk in the scum PT.

super safe poe, p much all lhf

[Galron]

Did you just pull all lurkers in list.

That's a correlation != causation. It's players who aren't getting townread by myself or my townreads. I'm hoping a few of those players will say more and get ruled out.

Who values a townread from scum?

[Galron]

Malcom why digging in so hard for Luke?

[Galron]

Did you just pull all lurkers in list.

That's a correlation != causation. It's players who aren't getting townread by myself or my townreads. I'm hoping a few of those players will say more and get ruled out.

Who values a townread from scum?

This is a strawman, I'm valuing townreads from the players I read as town.

Forgive me, but a townread from you is not on my checklist for today.

[Galron]

Malcom why digging in so hard for Luke?

I wouldn't say I've dug in particularly hard so far as such - just that I'm getting a decent town vibe from them. I wasn't keen on Frogster's push where they basically backed off at the same time but that was more me being suspicious of Frogster than anything else. But, of course, if Frogster is scum feels unlikely they'd want to throw any shade onto Luke at all this early in the game if Luke was a teammate. What's your feeling on Lukewarm yourself?

Luke started very serious out of the gate, like rvs didn't exist. Too much caffeine?

[Galron]

Did you just pull all lurkers in list.

That's a correlation != causation. It's players who aren't getting townread by myself or my townreads. I'm hoping a few of those players will say more and get ruled out.

Who values a townread from scum?

This is a strawman, I'm valuing townreads from the players I read as town.

Forgive me, but a townread from you is not on my checklist for today.

Okay, what's your point though? You're the one who felt a need to bring it up.

Your poe is trash. You're probably scum. Why would I want a townread from scum?

[Galron]

That would be Galron’s responsibility, not mine, silly.

I don't think I did anything to piss off Galron, because I don't think Galron has a false sense of entitlement. I think if they appeared pissed off then they are likely acting.

One of my improv teachers explained to us one day: "remember in improv we have four emotions: mad, sad, glad and afra'ad!"

More is being made out of this than what exists.

[Galron]

not sure why but i feel like VOTE: OTH

This is kinda cringe. You don't have a real vote to place anywhere?

[Galron]

Klick is town

[Galron]

VOTE: CSF

Because.

At least there's an implied reason here.

[Galron]

Did you just pull all lurkers in list.

That's a correlation != causation. It's players who aren't getting townread by myself or my townreads. I'm hoping a few of those players will say more and get ruled out.

Who values a townread from scum?

Think this post feels scummy

Okay then.

[Galron]

VOTE: galron

hi

[Galron]

Vanity score.

[Galron]

I'm reading my interaction with Galron as SvT.

this is such a weird line

who ever even says shit like this?

like it's self evident that you are town then the other person is scum, so just call Galron scum for ???? reasons

They're afraid to have that take

[Galron]

ngl i think a reason he says this is cuz he thinks he's going to die today cuz I said I was going to feed him to the polar bears and now he's trying to anti-spew his scumbuddy Galron clear with a lolnonsense argument that doesn't even make sense

Ouch don't pair me up pook

[Galron]

VOTE: Galron

Down

Hey there bumpy friend

[Galron]

This is funny to me, because this is the least serious I have taken a game in a while.

Meh, I was being non-serious at the start of moderators as well.

But my point stands.

I was have purposefully tried to take this game less seriously, and this is the second time someone said that I was being extra serious early

Maybe your casual mode is comparatively try-hard for some people. And your try-hard mode is just like, Light from Death Note.

Currently catching up but so far I think you're town. I don't think scum complains when they get accused of putting in effort.

Can we please scum read each other?

[Galron]

Okay maybe luke is town

[Galron]

not sure why but i feel like VOTE: OTH

This is kinda cringe. You don't have a real vote to place anywhere?

VOTE: CSF

Because.

At least there's an implied reason here.

???

That's what I said

[Galron]

do you usually do this sort of post by post catch up when you're town, Galron?

I don't know. You'll have to ask elsewhere.

[Galron]

Well frogster could be right that they're scum

VOTE: frogster

[Galron]

It seems ceph and bell did this kind of dance in the Shakespeare game but later on.

[Galron]

I'm a philosopher btw

[Galron]

Challenge me

[Galron]

Luke's ISO reads like it's serious from the start

Luke's ISO reads like it's serious from the start, and all I really got out of it was 2 bad town reads and a lot of nothing.

Rad's prob town

Luke started very serious out of the gate, like rvs didn't exist. Too much caffeine?

It feels like Galron lifted the idea straight off of Rad.

I don't think that Galron and Rad are scum together, but I think that there is probably scum in the pair.

To be real with you, when I typed this post up, i actually started typing it up as

"I don't know if it is scum!Rad that threw that out there, and a town!Galron just believed him because he town read Rad, or if town!Rad made a point and scum!Galron latched onto it"

And then deleted the line, because the first half kinda didn't make anysense. And now that I am swinging back to thinking you could be town, it brings the second half of that thought back into the fore front of my thoughts.

Also, feels like he was fairly obsessed with me. And then that read is just gone.

He had like 2 total scum reads, me and frog. He town read you for scum reading me. He was so focused on calling me scum, he misread Malcolm's post about me. He repeated your argument about calling me too serious early on.

The way it dropped without comment of why, or any real engagement with me felt off. Going from Giving out town reads for scumreading me, and arguing with people that are starting to town read me, to just

Okay maybe luke is town

Doesn't feel particularly genuine.

I'm glad we got that sorted.

[Galron]

@Galron - Based on your experience with Roden, is "Can we please scum read each other?" something you think would be risky to say to Roden as scum!Galron? Do you believe this statement from Roden?

Roden is going to scum read me regardless so I don't know. What would it mean to you if I said yes? What if I said no?

[Galron]

@Galron - Based on your experience with Roden, is "Can we please scum read each other?" something you think would be risky to say to Roden as scum!Galron? Do you believe this statement from Roden?

Roden is going to scum read me regardless so I don't know. What would it mean to you if I said yes? What if I said no?

Roden seemed to have some insight into you, so I wanted to see what kind of insight you had in him. I don't think a "yes" or "no" means anything specific here. Just wondered what kind of reaction you'd get out of that.

We seem to scum read each other in about every game. But as I was skimming I saw something were he said he has had some irl changes that have affectied his mafia play. So maybe that isn't valid any longe.r

[Galron]

I don't necessaritly view it as an empty question like he did, but when I'm asked for self-meta I get a funny feeling I"m bein g played. csf did it earlieer and now you.

[Galron]

I don't recall saying that Corwin was lying. I never think a person is lying about their circumstances nor do I doubt them. They can just be scum while also dealing with life stuff.

I also don't see how Corwin being eliminated now would be a bad thing beyond a loss of information this day phase. It is not something that is fundamentally bad to be voted out in a game of mafia.

It would be good to have information rather than a senseless death no?

[Galron]

Heavy borrow from Rad

town:

CSF
OTH
Dunn
T-Bone
Rad

null:

Luke
Pooky
Frogster
Roden
Bella
Penguin
BBT
Corwin
Taly
DP
Johnny
Cephrir
Enchant
CaG
Mala
Malcolm
Klick
Dwlee

scum:

The toad
Bell

That looks alright I guess for top of my head

[Galron]

Heavy borrow from Rad

town:

CSF
OTH
Dunn
T-Bone
Rad

null:

Luke
Pooky
Frogster
Roden
Bella
Penguin
BBT
Corwin
Taly
DP
Johnny
Cephrir
Enchant
CaG
Mala
Malcolm
Klick
Dwlee

scum:

The toad
Bell

That looks alright I guess for top of my head

I generally don't mind someone being honest and having quite a few null-reads but I'm not sure why you'd post a reads list when you have this many other than to seem helpful to town because it's been asked. I don't necessarily disagree with the TR's but they feel very generic? As if Galron has just scouted out who has towncred and plopped for them to keep the heat off.

I copypasta'd rad's list and made few changes. Why no call out on rad?

[Galron]

Hi Taly!!!

[Galron]

I didn't think scum!Luke would get baited into the TvT with Rad at the time I witnessed their argument and I haven't moved either of them from my town pile since then.

The way you worded this feels scum-slippy. I don't want to place a huge emphasis on it, cause town can misspeak, but a scum!Luke literally can't get into a TvT with any alignment Rad. That's an SvT or SvS.

And you call it

the TvT

as if we're looking back in post game and pointing out this TvT that happened. Like in your head, it's just a TvT and you forgot that not everyone knows it's a TvT yet.

Astute

[Galron]

Yo Frog. Absolutely no one liked my scum-slip catch. Maybe Galron did, or he was being sarcastic. With you being the biggest wagon atm, and no one jumping on it, what's your assessment here? Anything special besides "it was bad"?

No sarcasm actually

[Galron]

Hey ceph how would you describe the experience of playing against me in this game?

Playing against?

[Galron]

I dunno why I have so many people putting me in their scum pile. I have 129 posts, I'm not a hard sort. This shouldn't be hard for them. But there I am, in the bottom half of half the player's reads.

To people who haven't played with you before, this can be taken as manipulative. I think that is what most of them are seeing - you being manipulative.

This!! This is my issue with bell. I like a lot of their more flowly posts (in fact some on this page) but then stuff like this feels really constructed and like it's shaping a narrative.

What about Cephrir's moans about being an auto scum read on day 1. Do you think that's a manufactured narrative? I think you might make a good point, but if you're thinking that way I don't think it's just Bell. Actually more I think about it I've seen this from Ceph before so it may just be good m.o. Bell I'm not so sure about. I should probably delete this but I want to think on it more and this will serve as a reminder.

[Galron]

I think it was just forgotten.

[Galron]

Taly, why aren't you and Bell using your pt?

[Galron]

Okay. I thought I had read something to the contrary

[Galron]

I assume there is sorting occurring.

[Galron]

i feel better about bell than this morning

This has my attention.

Bell, any thoughts on Taly?

[Galron]

Galron

give me some input on

BBT

we got conflicting feels

I'm not sure why people are scumreading bbt. It started real early and I don't get it but I haven't bothered to look deeper either. I thought the neighborhood suggestion from them was reasonable and I don't know why anyone would oppose that other than we don't know who all are in the hoods. And are they hoods if there are just two members? But their post about hoods is what spurred my question about your pt. But really their suggestion about hoods is nai, although it does show some impetus to solve maybe. I could iso them I guess but day 1 large is a crapshoot and I don't know that I want to put in that work at this point. In otherwords, I don't have much to offer on bbt. Where do you have them?

[Galron]

Galron

give me some input on

BBT

we got conflicting feels

I'm not sure why people are scumreading bbt. It started real early and I don't get it but I haven't bothered to look deeper either. I thought the neighborhood suggestion from them was reasonable and I don't know why anyone would oppose that other than we don't know who all are in the hoods. And are they hoods if there are just two members? But their post about hoods is what spurred my question about your pt. But really their suggestion about hoods is nai, although it does show some impetus to solve maybe. I could iso them I guess but day 1 large is a crapshoot and I don't know that I want to put in that work at this point. In otherwords, I don't have much to offer on bbt. Where do you have them?

Okay so you have them at -null. Why is that?

[Galron]

Son of a bitch I lost my post.

It's not behind the couch. I looked.

[Galron]

@Taly I mean, I'm right here.

What you want?

I understand the read, I really do. I haven't seen Rad mention me yet, what's his read on me?

Why do you think you're getting heat?

[Galron]

Red flag: wanted to talk me about reads where there’s less “noise”
Yellow flag: wanted to leap frog the sorting process and collaborate. Which is great power dynamics but like.
Blue flag: I don’t really play well In neighborhoods. I shy away from them due to okapoka’s rather persuasive argument and my posts would be identical here and there unless I trusted the other player wouldn’t leak it, but I don’t have that guarantee so.

Took me a minute but you're talking specifically about Taly here?

[Galron]

See I'm not hip on scum BBt right now. It's too easy to catch a scum read early and then every thing you do comes under heavier scrutiny and is presumed scummy. Rebutting that presumption puts you on the defensive and THAT looks bad. It just kinda snowballs.

[Galron]

I'm with you but we're doing something different Nancy. All he needs is a rough estimate let's call it. That's what mine is.

[Galron]

I'm with you but we're doing something different Nancy. All he needs is a rough estimate let's call it. That's what mine is.

I haven’t had phone or internet access for over 24 hours and haven’t read anything in this game since Thursday night, so you’re going to have to explain to me exactly what you’re talking about? Thanks.

If I've got it straight, this game is so large that tracking reads is pretty difficult, and there are a lot of suggestions for exile. Pooky suggested multi-vote, so we can kind of rank where everyone is voting kind of like a heat map and, I think, maybe choose out of the bottom tier. So he's gathering everyone's town reads, nulls, and scum reads (or approximations thereof) and lumping them together. If you look at mine in 1174 it's not all that good but it's roughly where I was at at that time. I'm not all that confident in any of what I have but that's okay.

[Galron]

Spoiler: Readlists So Far

Highlights so far:

BBT is the most susp'd person - 14 scumreads 0 townreads.
Lukewarm is the most townread person - 19 townreads 0 scumreads.

This was a good idea. A lot of data in there.

[Galron]

Last 8 pages or so I haven't read but I was thinking C%G are a mystery. Nancy do you have any thoughts there? Taly?

[Galron]

Last 8 pages or so I haven't read but I was thinking C%G are a mystery. Nancy do you have any thoughts there? Taly?

Absolutely no clue so dead null.

Do you believe thy have a postng restriction?

[Galron]

Nice job Prof. You played that PR much better than I would have.