LOST (Game Over)

[T-Bone]

I'm under no illusions that I have a rock solid claim. We held off revealing it for most of the day for better or worse. But that is my explanation of why I've done what I've done regarding Johnny and the rest of the neighbors.

It worked out for me in that I had time to reevaluate my read on Bell, I now consider them town. I might not have if I had the mindset of "there must be scum in the neighborhoods". I think that is probably true and something we'll have to reckon with sooner rather than later. It helped my mindset in reading the game. I have the tendency to get stuck on my reads and I've been making a conscious effort not to this game

[T-Bone]

Maybe I'm getting stuck on town reads instead of scum reads...now that I think about it. I dunno.

[T-Bone]

I'm like 80% sure Math is town and BBT is scum. Dunn was shot N1. He was the first voter on BBT. Math has a habit of rubbing people the wrong way. He's easy to provoke. The other voter on BBT is a mason.

Flipping BBT also completely reveals the gamestate D1.

Will read up later.

~Titus

So why Dunn > the mason? To confuse us as to which was the factional kill? Because I don’t understand why Dunn > the mason otherwise.

Just occurred to me that IC makes 0 sense here with two mason claims + an FN claim.

So, mods are probably laughing at me.

Dunn was more active than the masons and claimed a power role. I don't even know whom the masons are anymore that's how infrequent they are present in the game.

[T-Bone]

I was using hyperbole to make a point

[T-Bone]

And Frog was rolecop?

Dunn being killed is a strange one then, no?

Dunn softed friendly neighbor.

[T-Bone]

Also Dwlee isn't in the game anymore so you're scum

[T-Bone]

I long since forgot the order of the wagons or when they happened, but at some point during Day 1, Ceph, BBT, Frog (at least twice I think), Taly, Dunn, Math, and Mala all got to about 6 or 7 votes before stalling. This was pre-gladiate.

[T-Bone]

Right.

But the level 0 analysis from DP is saying that because Ceph and Frog were town, that I MUST be scum. And nobody is questioning them on that push at all. Like, in what world is that acceptable?

VCA is trash if that makes you feel better

[T-Bone]

You forgot me, Luke!

[T-Bone]

Right.

But the level 0 analysis from DP is saying that because Ceph and Frog were town, that I MUST be scum. And nobody is questioning them on that push at all. Like, in what world is that acceptable?

I simultaneously don't find that argument from Titus particularly compelling, but I also find it to be an argument that Titus would make as town.

As such, I have kinda just ignored it tbh.

Agree with the not compelling part and it defiantly makes me want to town read BBT but that might be my inner rogue talking.

[T-Bone]

I doubt BBT even managed to find the mason claim at all.

You can add Taly to that list Luke.

You forgot me, Luke!

BBT + Bella + Taly + T-Bone + 1 more !

(Thank you tbone for turning your self in)

A+ solve tbh no notes

[T-Bone]

No then we're playing right into Ceph!scum's hands or something

[T-Bone]

Sorry sarcasm isn't helpful I just can't help myself sometimes I'll try to be better

[T-Bone]

There's 23 of us the idea anyone gets vetos is laughable. (But also I get wanting to not trigger the thread to become unbearable with repeated posts)

[T-Bone]

That you're leaning into the "veto" is crazy.

[T-Bone]

I don't know that there are many players hanging off of every word or read from DP, either Nancy or Titus, that would even necessitate a veto system. The fact that you're pushing that a) Bell should be or b) anyone should is strange

[T-Bone]

BBT is still scum.

I highlight a FoS.
He misrepresents that I'm stating he must be scum.
He claims my initial review is shit and he loves VCA.
He won't do any scumhunting or VCA.

BBT is just playing the victim here.

~Titus

T-bone is also doing this sort of crap with the "but muh ceph!scum push!" BS

~GE

What?

[T-Bone]

Weren't you the one claiming (or agreeing with the person claiming) that scum would magically try and lim Taly on Day 2 because they knew Ceph would flip town? I'm sorry if I'm misattributing that take to you...but that's the take I was mocking.

[T-Bone]

You're certainly making it sound like you are! And that I wasn't the only person to think that...maybe it isn't me being strange but you not communicating clearly?

[T-Bone]

Weren't you the one claiming (or agreeing with the person claiming) that scum would magically try and lim Taly on Day 2 because they knew Ceph would flip town? I'm sorry if I'm misattributing that take to you...but that's the take I was mocking.

I believe I said if Ceph was town then scum pushed him into the Taly gladiate for the motive I have outlined. I don't see what 8526 accomplishes other than a) being a shithead and b) trying to deconstruct my argument against you pre-emptively because while you weren't a leading suspect for me att, you were definitely a part of why Taly got gladiated over anyone else.

~GE

That post accomplished nothing which is what I immediately said in my next post and then reiterated for you in this post.

[T-Bone]

I feel the same way Luke, maybe you're my secret alt.

[T-Bone]

Weren't you the one claiming (or agreeing with the person claiming) that scum would magically try and lim Taly on Day 2 because they knew Ceph would flip town? I'm sorry if I'm misattributing that take to you...but that's the take I was mocking.

I believe I said if Ceph was town then scum pushed him into the Taly gladiate for the motive I have outlined. I don't see what 8526 accomplishes other than a) being a shithead and b) trying to deconstruct my argument against you pre-emptively because while you weren't a leading suspect for me att, you were definitely a part of why Taly got gladiated over anyone else.

~GE

Also from your point of view, why does Nancy want to have veto power over a Taly lim?

[T-Bone]

I want to know what you think is the reason for it.

[T-Bone]

3 or 4 players? It was me and Luke, and when you explained it better I got it and didn't push back further. I can't speak for Luke but I feel like that's an accurate representation of what happened here.

[T-Bone]

Can you also do hydra dissonance in your PT and not here?

[T-Bone]

VOTE: Off the Hook

Okay then. I don't even know what you're doing right now but trying to solve the game isn't one of them.

[T-Bone]

Feels like you would want to spend time with Gamma's read if he has so many.

[T-Bone]

That you start doing dissonance really really hard the moment your slot faces a little bit of pressure feels like an intentional strategy to deflect it.

[T-Bone]

That you start doing dissonance really really hard the moment your slot faces a little bit of pressure feels like an intentional strategy to deflect it.

Do you think it’s pleasant for me to deal with this? I feel like I have something on BBT but all Marci has said in response is “but he has a point” when his “point” is exceedingly dull!

~GE

For what it's worth I feel that you have some real frustrations right now.

[T-Bone]

Longest post Johnny has ever made what a scumclaim

[T-Bone]

I think most of us read Dunn as claiming friendly neighbor, but that wasn't his role, we would have heard from someone by now.

[T-Bone]

3 or 4 players? It was me and Luke, and when you explained it better I got it and didn't push back further. I can't speak for Luke but I feel like that's an accurate representation of what happened here.

There was you two, but I also included BBT for misrepresenting the case against him, and it looked like Bell was winding up some BS push on us based on the last page’s quote wall that Bell put together.

~GE

This was more to what I was referring to when I said I feel your frustration is real.

[T-Bone]

A question I was hoping you'd answer. I wanted to know what you were thinking.

[T-Bone]

I dislike T-Bone's vote on Off the Hook. Aside from 8455, which was probably a joke, I feel like you're avoiding giving a read on BBT and commenting on that wagon.

I mean I don't particularly care about this wagon, what exactly did you want me to comment on?

[T-Bone]

It also wasn't a joke. I'm just always suspicious of wagons I don't start.

[T-Bone]

It also wasn't a joke. I'm just always suspicious of wagons I don't start.

[T-Bone]

Wow MS is having a night

[T-Bone]

Doing some quick work to organize my reads as they are floating around in my head. I'll explain these, but I also want to make time and explain my reads on the flipped players per the Professor's request earlier. Yesterday I just did willing to vote for/not willing to vote for, but I had a little more thought today about where I would put players.

Spoiler: Read Matrix

Lock Town
Rad
Lukewarm

Lean Town
Mathblade
Bell
JohnnyFarrar
Roden
Dwlee99

Null to Town
PookyTheMagicalBear
Dancing Puppets
BlueBloodedToffee

Null
Bellaphant
Mislim Bait
PenguinPower
Taly
MalcolmTucker
RCEnigma

Null to Scum
Cat Scratch Fever
ProfessorDrapion
Malakittens

Lean Scum
Enchant
Off the Hook
Cytosine and Guanine

[T-Bone]

Can I ask your reasoning for all your town reads including the flip town please T-Bone.

For Ceph it was two things. First, I didn't like how his wagon got so large so early. It was partly RVS driven, but then a few players took it and made it real. The second and much more compelling part for me, is that Ceph made sense to me. You'll see it in basically all my town reads, but for better or worse I value players who either see the same things I do, or point out things that make sense to me. I formed my read on Ceph early because I thought he was seeing the game similar to me and some of his reads made sense to me. Not all of them, I didn't agree with him reading Math and Johnny as scum...but like those two players have made themselves pretty easy to scumread. Nothing about his gladiate struck me as not town. What happened as a result I regret, but no, I was not surprised he flipped town.

Dunn is easy. Dunn is a player I think when he's town has good reads, or if I disagree, articulates them in a way that tells me he's trying to solve. I'm not going to go back through my Oh God, 600+ ISO, so you'll have to trust that for Dunn (and Ceph) I called out things when I agreed with them (and the history is there if you don't want to trust). So, similar reasons to Ceph. I think for both players I found the things they were being voted for were not scummy.

Frog is someone I thought got piled on early and is a player who doesn't react well to pressure. I didn't agree with people scumreading him, and thus I moved him to lean town. Admittedly as you saw towards the end of the day his behavior during the gladiate had rubbed me the wrong way, and I was prepared going into this day phase to flip him if he didn't improve. Going into the night phase I was doubting my read here. I just posted my reads list, he was definitely moving into 'Null to Scum' territory to me by the end of the day.

[T-Bone]

Totally do not get some of these reads dude but we’re mindmelding on Enchant anyway. Btw, how are claimed masons Roden and Dwlee only “lean town”?

I mean, there's always a chance it's a gambit fake claim. Like, it's not something I'm worried about right now. I don't think either slot has earned "lock town" from me in the way that Rad and Luke have.

[T-Bone]

Can I ask your reasoning for all your town reads including the flip town please T-Bone.

I have Rad as lock town because he is the only player I feel is always trying to solve the game. We could learn a lot from him. He was trying to solve it yesterday when we were all kinda demoralized from the gladiate, and the way he handled himself there as well as still continuing to analyze and try to solve reveals a pro-town mindset imo. I would be genuinely and utterly shocked if he flipped red.

I have Luke there because I basically agree with him 90% of the time. Not only that, but I think he always has others perspectives in mind when pointing things out (something I try to do but don't always succeed). But yeah, this may be a blindspot of mine, but I've had a good read on the game thus far, and Luke makes sense to me as town. Outside chance I'm being pocketed, and bravo if that's the case, I just don't see Luke flipping scum.

[T-Bone]

Totally do not get some of these reads dude but we’re mindmelding on Enchant anyway. Btw, how are claimed masons Roden and Dwlee only “lean town”?

I mean, there's always a chance it's a gambit fake claim. Like, it's not something I'm worried about right now. I don't think either slot has earned "lock town" from me in the way that Rad and Luke have.

Well I thought Dwlee seemed pretty town to me. I think I’m actually pretty decent at reading them. I correctly sr them in Pokemon and correctly tr them in PYP and NEP.

Okay, but you should know by now that I base my reads just off the game we're playing. Dwlee just hasn't shown enough to me in this game that is alignment indicative imo and he would be firmly null to me without the mason claim.

[T-Bone]

Does anyone think that there is still a benefit for me to keep my neighbor unmentioned?


Pedit: I think that C+G should reach out to the mod, see what the effect of breaking the limit is/was, and see if it is gonna happen now that it has been revealed, and report back.

STD literally got married over the night phase, so I could see him missing it.

We did.
He says that we were close enough so we won't get modkilled for breaking the limit.
-Guanine

The punishment for breaking the posting restriction was

death

, and your role pm did not make that clear?!?

This

C&G's post restriction sounds fake as fuck at this point

I just don't get why they'd make it up in the first place, and that's the only reason I don't want to hard push them atm

Also this ARGH

[T-Bone]

I did a thing

Spoiler:

Vote Count 1.1

2 Bellaphant (BlueBloodedToffee, Klick)

1 Corwin (Cytosine and Guanine)
1 Off The Hook (Galron)
1 PookyTheMagicalBear (Lukewarm)
1

Frogsterking

(The toad)
1 Dancing Puppets (Malakittens)
1 Lukewarm (Bell)
1 BlueBloodedToffee (Cat Scratch Fever)
1 T-Bone (PenguinPower)

Not Voting (Dancing Puppets, Toogeloo, PookyTheMagicalBear, MalcolmTucker, Off the Hook,

Cephrir

,

Frogsterking

,

Roden

, Rad, Corwinoid, Enchant,

Dwlee99

, Bellaphant,

Dunnstral

, JohnnyFarrar, T-Bone)

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Vote Count 1.2

2 Bellaphant (BlueBloodedToffee, Klick)

1 Corwin (Cytosine and Guanine)
1 Off The Hook (Galron)
1 PookyTheMagicalBear (Lukewarm)
1

Frogsterking

(The toad)
1 Dancing Puppets (Malakittens)
1 Lukewarm (Bell)
1 BlueBloodedToffee (Cat Scratch Fever)
1 T-Bone (PenguinPower)
1 Galron (Off the Hook)

Not Voting (Dancing Puppets, Toogeloo, PookyTheMagicalBear, MalcolmTucker,

Cephrir

,

Frogsterking

,

Roden

, Rad, Corwinoid, Enchant,

Dwlee99

, Bellaphant,

Dunnstral

, JohnnyFarrar, T-Bone)

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Vote Count 1.3

2 Bellaphant (BlueBloodedToffee, Klick)
2 PookyTheMagicalBear (Lukewarm, Bell)
2 Off The Hook (Galron, The toad)

1 Corwin (Cytosine and Guanine)
1 Dancing Puppets (Malakittens)
1 BlueBloodedToffee (Cat Scratch Fever)
1 T-Bone (PenguinPower)
1 Galron (Off the Hook)

Not Voting (Dancing Puppets, Toogeloo, PookyTheMagicalBear, MalcolmTucker,

Cephrir

,

Frogsterking

,

Roden

, Rad, Corwinoid, Enchant,

Dwlee99

, Bellaphant,

Dunnstral

, JohnnyFarrar, T-Bone)

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Vote Count 1.4

2 Bellaphant (BlueBloodedToffee, Klick)
2 PookyTheMagicalBear (Lukewarm, Bell)

1 Off The Hook (Galron)
1 Rad (The toad)
1 Corwin (Cytosine and Guanine)
1 Dancing Puppets (Malakittens)
1 BlueBloodedToffee (Cat Scratch Fever)
1 T-Bone (PenguinPower)
1 Galron (Off the Hook)
1 Klick (Rad)

Not Voting (Dancing Puppets, Toogeloo, PookyTheMagicalBear, MalcolmTucker,

Cephrir

,

Frogsterking

,

Roden

, Corwinoid, Enchant,

Dwlee99

, Bellaphant,

Dunnstral

, JohnnyFarrar, T-Bone)

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Vote Count 1.5

2 Bellaphant (BlueBloodedToffee, PenguinPower)
2 PookyTheMagicalBear (Lukewarm, Bell)
2 Enchant (

Cephrir

, PookyTheMagicalBear)

1 Off The Hook (Galron)
1 Rad (The toad)
1 Corwin (Cytosine and Guanine)
1 Dancing Puppets (Malakittens)
1 BlueBloodedToffee (Cat Scratch Fever)
1 Galron (Off the Hook)
1 Klick (Rad)
1 Cat Scratch Fever (

Frogsterking

)
1

Cephrir

(Klick)

Not Voting (Dancing Puppets, Toogeloo, MalcolmTucker, ,

Roden

, Corwinoid, Enchant,

Dwlee99

, Bellaphant,

Dunnstral

, JohnnyFarrar, T-Bone)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Vote Count 1.6

7

Cephrir

(Klick, Bellaphant, BlueBloodedToffee,

Dwlee99

, PookyTheMagicalBear, PenguinPower, The toad)

2 PookyTheMagicalBear (Lukewarm, Bell)

1 Enchant (

Cephrir

)
1 Off The Hook (Galron)
1 Rad (The toad)
1 Corwin (Cytosine and Guanine)
1 Dancing Puppets (Malakittens)
1 BlueBloodedToffee (Cat Scratch Fever)
1 Galron (Off the Hook)
1 Klick (Rad)
1 Cat Scratch Fever (

Frogsterking

)

Not Voting (Dancing Puppets, Toogeloo, MalcolmTucker, ,

Roden

, Corwinoid, Enchant,

Dunnstral

, JohnnyFarrar, T-Bone)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Vote Count 1.7

6

Cephrir

(Bellaphant, BlueBloodedToffee,

Dwlee99

, PookyTheMagicalBear, PenguinPower, The toad)

3 PookyTheMagicalBear (Lukewarm, Bell,

Cephrir

)

1 Corwin (Cytosine and Guanine)
1 Dancing Puppets (Malakittens)
1 BlueBloodedToffee (Cat Scratch Fever)
1 The toad (Rad)
1 Off the Hook (

Frogsterking

)
1 Lukewarm (Galron)
1 Rad (Off the Hook)

Not Voting (Dancing Puppets, Toogeloo, MalcolmTucker, ,

Roden

, Corwinoid, Enchant,

Dunnstral

, JohnnyFarrar, T-Bone, Klick)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Vote Count 1.8

5

Cephrir

(Bellaphant, BlueBloodedToffee,

Dwlee99

, PookyTheMagicalBear, PenguinPower)

3 The toad (Rad, Cat Scratch Fever, Klick)

2 PookyTheMagicalBear (Bell,

Cephrir

)
2 Rad (Off the Hook, Lukewarm)

1 Off the Hook (

Frogsterking

)
1 Dancing Puppets (Malakittens)
1 Lukewarm (Galron)
1

Frogsterking

(JohnnyFarrar)
1 Cat Scratch Fever (The toad)
1 Toogeloo (Enchant)

Not Voting (Dancing Puppets, Toogeloo, MalcolmTucker,

Roden

, Corwinoid,

Dunnstral

, T-Bone, Cytosine and Guanine)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Vote Count 1.9

5

Cephrir

(Bellaphant, BlueBloodedToffee,

Dwlee99

, PookyTheMagicalBear, PenguinPower)

3

Frogsterking

(JohnnyFarrar,

Roden

, Enchant)

2 The toad (Rad, Cat Scratch Fever)
2 Rad (Off the Hook, Lukewarm)

1 PookyTheMagicalBear (Bell)
1 Bellaphant (

Frogsterking

)
1 Dancing Puppets (Malakittens)
1 Lukewarm (Galron)
1 Cat Scratch Fever (The toad)
1 Off the Hook (

Cephrir

)

Not Voting (Dancing Puppets, Toogeloo, MalcolmTucker, Corwinoid,

Dunnstral

, T-Bone, Cytosine and Guanine, Klick)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Vote Count 1.10

4

Cephrir

(BlueBloodedToffee,

Dwlee99

, PookyTheMagicalBear, PenguinPower)

3

Frogsterking

(JohnnyFarrar,

Roden

, Enchant)

2 The toad (Rad, Cat Scratch Fever)
2 Rad (Off the Hook, Lukewarm)
2 Cat Scratch Fever (The toad, Bell)

1 Bellaphant (

Frogsterking

)
1 Dancing Puppets (Malakittens)
1 Lukewarm (Galron)
1 Off the Hook (

Cephrir

)
1 Galron (Bellaphant)

Not Voting (Dancing Puppets, Toogeloo, MalcolmTucker, Corwinoid,

Dunnstral

, T-Bone, Cytosine and Guanine, Klick)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Vote Count 1.11

5

Cephrir

(BlueBloodedToffee,

Dwlee99

, PookyTheMagicalBear, PenguinPower, Bell)

3

Frogsterking

(JohnnyFarrar,

Roden

, Enchant)

2 The toad (Rad, Cat Scratch Fever)
2 Rad (Off the Hook, Lukewarm)
2 Galron (Bellaphant, The toad)

1 Bellaphant (

Frogsterking

)
1 Dancing Puppets (Malakittens)
1 Lukewarm (Galron)
1 Off the Hook (

Cephrir

)

Not Voting (Dancing Puppets, Toogeloo, MalcolmTucker, Corwinoid,

Dunnstral

, T-Bone, Cytosine and Guanine, Klick)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Vote Count 1.12

4

Cephrir

(BlueBloodedToffee,

Dwlee99

, PookyTheMagicalBear, Bell)
4

Frogsterking

(JohnnyFarrar,

Roden

,

Cephrir

, Lukewarm)

2 The toad (Rad, Cat Scratch Fever)
2 Galron (Bellaphant, The toad)
2 T-Bone (PenguinPower, Enchant)

1 Bellaphant (

Frogsterking

)
1 Dancing Puppets (Malakittens)
1 Lukewarm (Galron)
1 Rad (Off the Hook)

Not Voting (Dancing Puppets, Toogeloo, MalcolmTucker, Corwinoid,

Dunnstral

, T-Bone, Cytosine and Guanine, Klick)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Vote Count 1.13

5

Frogsterking

(JohnnyFarrar,

Roden

,

Cephrir

, Lukewarm, Galron)

4

Cephrir

(BlueBloodedToffee,

Dwlee99

, PookyTheMagicalBear, Bell)

2 Galron (Bellaphant, The toad)
2 BlueBloodedToffee (

Dunnstral

, Cat Scratch Fever)
2 T-Bone (PenguinPower, Enchant)

1 The toad (Rad)
1 Bellaphant (

Frogsterking

)
1 Dancing Puppets (Malakittens)
1 Rad (Off the Hook)
1 Off the Hook (T-Bone)

Not Voting (Dancing Puppets, Toogeloo, MalcolmTucker, Corwinoid, Cytosine and Guanine, Klick)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Vote Count 1.14

5

Frogsterking

(JohnnyFarrar,

Roden

,

Cephrir

, Lukewarm, Galron)

4

Cephrir

(BlueBloodedToffee,

Dwlee99

, PookyTheMagicalBear,

Frogsterking

)

2 BlueBloodedToffee (

Dunnstral

, Cat Scratch Fever)
2 Galron (Bellaphant, The toad)
2 T-Bone (PenguinPower, Enchant)

1 The toad (Rad)
1 Dancing Puppets (Malakittens)
1 Rad (Off the Hook)
1 Off the Hook (T-Bone)
1 Corwinoid (Bell)

Not Voting (Dancing Puppets, Toogeloo, MalcolmTucker, Corwinoid, Cytosine and Guanine, Klick)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Vote Count 1.15

5

Frogsterking

(JohnnyFarrar,

Roden

,

Cephrir

, Lukewarm, Galron)

4

Cephrir

(BlueBloodedToffee,

Dwlee99

, PookyTheMagicalBear,

Frogsterking

)

2 BlueBloodedToffee (

Dunnstral

, Cat Scratch Fever)
2 Galron (Bellaphant, The toad)
2 T-Bone (PenguinPower, Enchant)

1 The toad (Rad)
1 Dancing Puppets (Malakittens)
1 Rad (Off the Hook)
1 Off the Hook (T-Bone)
1 Corwinoid (Bell)

Not Voting (Dancing Puppets, Toogeloo, MalcolmTucker, Corwinoid, Cytosine and Guanine, Klick)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Vote Count 1.16

6

Frogsterking

(JohnnyFarrar,

Roden

,

Cephrir

, Lukewarm, Galron, BlueBloodedToffee)

3 BlueBloodedToffee (

Dunnstral

, Cat Scratch Fever,

Frogsterking

)

2 Galron (Bellaphant, The toad)
2 T-Bone (PenguinPower, Enchant)

1

Cephrir

(PookyTheMagicalBear)
1 The toad (Rad)
1 Dancing Puppets (Malakittens)
1 Rad (Off the Hook)
1 Bell (T-Bone)
1

Dwlee99

(Bell)

Not Voting (Dancing Puppets, Taly, MalcolmTucker, Corwinoid, Cytosine and Guanine, Klick,

Dwlee99

)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Vote Count 1.17

5

Frogsterking

(JohnnyFarrar,

Roden

, Lukewarm, Galron, BlueBloodedToffee)
5 BlueBloodedToffee (

Dunnstral

, Cat Scratch Fever,

Frogsterking

,

Cephrir

, PenguinPower)

2 Galron (Bellaphant, The toad)

1 T-Bone (Enchant)
1

Cephrir

(PookyTheMagicalBear)
1 The toad (Rad)
1 Dancing Puppets (Malakittens)
1 Rad (Off the Hook)
1 Bell (T-Bone)
1

Dwlee99

(Bell)

Not Voting (Dancing Puppets, Taly, MalcolmTucker, Corwinoid, Cytosine and Guanine, Klick,

Dwlee99

)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Vote Count 1.18

7

Frogsterking

(JohnnyFarrar,

Roden

, Lukewarm, Galron, BlueBloodedToffee, Dancing Puppets, Enchant)

5 BlueBloodedToffee (

Dunnstral

, Cat Scratch Fever,

Frogsterking

,

Cephrir

, PenguinPower)

2 Galron (Bellaphant, The toad)

1

Cephrir

(PookyTheMagicalBear)
1 The toad (Rad)
1 Dancing Puppets (Malakittens)
1 Rad (Off the Hook)
1 Bell (T-Bone)
1

Dwlee99

(Bell)

Not Voting (Taly, MalcolmTucker, Corwinoid, Cytosine and Guanine, Klick,

Dwlee99

)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Vote Count 1.19

7

Frogsterking

(JohnnyFarrar,

Roden

, Lukewarm, Galron, BlueBloodedToffee, Dancing Puppets, Enchant)

6 BlueBloodedToffee (

Dunnstral

, Cat Scratch Fever,

Frogsterking

,

Cephrir

, PenguinPower, Bellaphant)

1 Galron (The toad)
1

Cephrir

(PookyTheMagicalBear)
1 The toad (Rad)
1 Dancing Puppets (Malakittens)
1 Rad (Off the Hook)
1 Bell (T-Bone)
1

Dwlee99

(Bell)

Not Voting (Taly, MalcolmTucker, Corwinoid, Cytosine and Guanine, Klick,

Dwlee99

)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Vote Count 1.20

7

Frogsterking

(JohnnyFarrar,

Roden

, Lukewarm, Galron, BlueBloodedToffee, Dancing Puppets, Enchant)

6 BlueBloodedToffee (

Dunnstral

, Cat Scratch Fever,

Frogsterking

,

Cephrir

, PenguinPower, Bellaphant)

1 Galron (The toad)
1

Cephrir

(PookyTheMagicalBear)
1 The toad (Rad)
1 Dancing Puppets (Malakittens)
1 Rad (Off the Hook)
1 Bell (T-Bone)
1 Cytosine and Guanine (Bell)

Not Voting (Taly, MalcolmTucker, Corwinoid, Cytosine and Guanine, Klick,

Dwlee99

)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Vote Count 1.21

5

Frogsterking

(JohnnyFarrar, Lukewarm, Galron, Dancing Puppets, Enchant)
5 BlueBloodedToffee (

Dunnstral

, Cat Scratch Fever,

Cephrir

, PenguinPower, Bellaphant)

4

Cephrir

(PookyTheMagicalBear,

Frogsterking

,

Roden

, Klick)

1 Galron (The toad)
1 T-Bone (Rad)
1 Dancing Puppets (Malakittens)
1 Bell (T-Bone)
1 Cytosine and Guanine (Bell)

Not Voting (Taly, MalcolmTucker, Corwinoid, Cytosine and Guanine,

Dwlee99

, Off the Hook, BlueBloodedToffee)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Vote Count 1.22

4

Frogsterking

(JohnnyFarrar, Lukewarm, Galron, Enchant)
4

Cephrir

(PookyTheMagicalBear,

Frogsterking

,

Roden

, Klick)

2 BlueBloodedToffee (

Dunnstral

, PenguinPower)

1 Galron (The toad)
1 T-Bone (Rad)
1 Dancing Puppets (Malakittens)
1 Bell (T-Bone)
1 Cytosine and Guanine (Bell)
1 PookyTheMagicalBear (

Dwlee99

)
1 JohnnyFarrar (Cat Scratch Fever)

Not Voting (Taly, MalcolmTucker, Corwinoid, Cytosine and Guanine, Off the Hook, BlueBloodedToffee, Bellaphant, Dancing Puppets,

Cephrir

)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Vote Count 1.23

3

Frogsterking

(JohnnyFarrar, Lukewarm, Galron)
3 BlueBloodedToffee (

Dunnstral

, PenguinPower, Klick)

2 The Toad (Cat Scratch Fever, PookyTheMagicalBear)

1

Cephrir

(

Roden

)
1 Bellaphant (

Frogsterking

)
1 Galron (The toad)
1 Dancing Puppets (Malakittens)
1 Bell (T-Bone)
1 Cytosine and Guanine (Bell)
1 PookyTheMagicalBear (

Dwlee99

)
1

Dunnstral

(BlueBloodedToffee)
1 PenguinPower (Enchant)
1

Roden

(MalcolmTucker)

Not Voting (Taly, Mathblade, Cytosine and Guanine, Off the Hook, Bellaphant, Dancing Puppets,

Cephrir

, Rad)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Vote Count 1.24

3 BlueBloodedToffee (

Dunnstral

, PenguinPower, Klick)

2 The Toad (Cat Scratch Fever, PookyTheMagicalBear)
2 MalcolmTucker (

Cephrir

, JohnnyFarrar)
2 Bell (T-Bone, Mathblade)

1 JohnnyFarrar (Off the Hook)
1

Frogsterking

(ProfessorDrapion)
1

Cephrir

(

Roden

)
1 ProfessorDrapion (The toad)
1 Dancing Puppets (Malakittens)
1 Cytosine and Guanine (Bell)
1 PookyTheMagicalBear (

Dwlee99

)
1

Dunnstral

(BlueBloodedToffee)
1 PenguinPower (Enchant)
1

Roden

(MalcolmTucker)
1 Mathblade (Lukewarm)
1 Lukewarm (

Frogsterking

)

Not Voting (Taly, Cytosine and Guanine, Bellaphant, Dancing Puppets, Rad)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Vote Count 1.25

3 Mathblade (PookyTheMagicalBear, Rad,

Dunnstral

)

2 Dancing Puppets (Malakittens, Best Bird)
2

Roden

(MalcolmTucker, Cat Scratch Fever)
2 JohnnyFarrar (Off the Hook,

Cephrir

)

1 BlueBloodedToffee (Klick)
1 MalcolmTucker (JohnnyFarrar)
1

Frogsterking

(Mathblade)
1 Bell (T-Bone)
1

Cephrir

(

Roden

)
1 ProfessorDrapion (The toad)
1 Cytosine and Guanine (Bell)
1 PookyTheMagicalBear (

Dwlee99

)
1

Dunnstral

(BlueBloodedToffee)
1 PenguinPower (Enchant)
1 Best Bird (Dancing Puppets)
1

Dwlee99

(

Frogsterking

)
1 Rad (ProfessorDrapion)

Not Voting (Taly, Cytosine and Guanine, Bellaphant, Lukewarm)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Vote Count 1.26

6 Mathblade (PookyTheMagicalBear, Rad,

Dunnstral

, Klick,

Cephrir

, Bell)

3 Klick (Lukewarm, T-Bone, Dancing Puppets)

2 Dancing Puppets (Malakittens, Best Bird)
2 JohnnyFarrar (Off the Hook, MalcolmTucker)

1

Roden

(Cat Scratch Fever)
1 MalcolmTucker (JohnnyFarrar)
1

Frogsterking

(Mathblade)
1

Cephrir

(

Roden

)
1 ProfessorDrapion (The toad)
1 PookyTheMagicalBear (

Dwlee99

)
1

Dunnstral

(BlueBloodedToffee)
1 PenguinPower (Enchant)
1

Dwlee99

(

Frogsterking

)
1 Rad (ProfessorDrapion)

Not Voting (Taly, Cytosine and Guanine, Bellaphant)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Vote Count 1.27

6 Mathblade (Rad,

Dunnstral

, Klick,

Cephrir

, Dancing Puppets, ProfessorDrapion)

3 Klick (Lukewarm, T-Bone, Bell)

2 Dancing Puppets (Malakittens, Best Bird)
2 JohnnyFarrar (Off the Hook, MalcolmTucker)
2

Roden

(Cat Scratch Fever,

Frogsterking

)

1

Frogsterking

(Mathblade)
1 MalcolmTucker (JohnnyFarrar)
1

Cephrir

(

Roden

)
1 ProfessorDrapion (The toad)
1 PookyTheMagicalBear (

Dwlee99

)
1

Dunnstral

(BlueBloodedToffee)
1 PenguinPower (Enchant)

Not Voting (Taly, Cytosine and Guanine, Bellaphant, PookyTheMagicalBear)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Vote Count 1.27

7

Roden

(

Frogsterking

, Cat Scratch Fever, Cytosine and Guanine, MalcolmTucker, Bellaphant,

Dunnstral

, Klick)

3 Klick (Lukewarm, T-Bone, Bell)

2 Dancing Puppets (Malakittens, Best Bird)
2 Mathblade (

Cephrir

, ProfessorDrapion)
2 MalcolmTucker (JohnnyFarrar, Enchant)

1 JohnnyFarrar (Off the Hook)
1

Frogsterking

(Mathblade)
1

Cephrir

(

Roden

)
1 ProfessorDrapion (The toad)
1 PookyTheMagicalBear (

Dwlee99

)
1

Dunnstral

(BlueBloodedToffee)


Not Voting (Taly, PookyTheMagicalBear, Rad, Dancing Puppets)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Vote Count 1.27

5

Frogsterking

(ProfessorDrapion, Enchant, Taly, PookyTheMagicalBear, Lukewarm)

3 Malakittens (Rad, Klick, Bellaphant)
3 Taly (Malakittens, Bell,

Cephrir

)
3

Dunnstral

(BlueBloodedToffee,

Roden

, JohnnyFarrar)

2 JohnnyFarrar (Off the Hook, RCEnigma)
2 Enchant (

Frogsterking

, T-Bone)

1

Cephrir

(Cat Scratch Fever)
1 Klick (Mathblade)
1 Dancing Puppets (Best Bird)
1 PookyTheMagicalBear (

Dwlee99

)

Not Voting (MalcolmTucker, Cytosine and Guanine,

Dunnstral

, Dancing Puppets)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Vote Count 1.28

6 Malakittens (Rad, Klick, Bellaphant, Dancing Puppets, Cat Scratch Fever,

Frogsterking

)
6

Frogsterking

(ProfessorDrapion, Enchant, Taly, PookyTheMagicalBear, Lukewarm, Mathblade)

3 Taly (Malakittens, Bell,

Cephrir

)
3

Dunnstral

(BlueBloodedToffee,

Roden

, JohnnyFarrar)

2 JohnnyFarrar (Off the Hook, RCEnigma)

1 Enchant (T-Bone)
1 Dancing Puppets (Best Bird)
1 PookyTheMagicalBear (

Dwlee99

)

Not Voting (MalcolmTucker, Cytosine and Guanine,

Dunnstral

)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Vote Count 1.29

6

Frogsterking

(ProfessorDrapion, Taly, PookyTheMagicalBear, Mathblade, Lukewarm, JohnnyFarrar)

4 JohnnyFarrar (Off the Hook, RCEnigma, MalcolmTucker,

Cephrir

)
4 Taly (Malakittens, Bell,

Dunnstral

, Cat Scratch Fever)

3 Malakittens (Klick, Bellaphant, T-Bone)

2

Dunnstral

(BlueBloodedToffee,

Roden

)

1 PookyTheMagicalBear (

Dwlee99

)
1 Dancing Puppets (Best Bird)
1

Cephrir

(Dancing Puppets)
1 Lukewarm (

Frogsterking

)

Not Voting (Cytosine and Guanine, Rad, Enchant)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

oh hang on i forgot to read my role PM

Dear Taly, You don't know who I am but I know who you are and I know what you done.

All votes are reset. Players may only vote for Taly or

Cephrir

.

NV: Everyone

I have literally never done VCA before in my LIFE, so feel free to tell me how bad this is.

But it

feels

unlikely that we had dueling town wagons on Frogster and Cephrir for multiple vote counts and 0 scum out of 5 decided to join either wagon.

(The following is in reverse chronological order)

VC 1.15: Johnny, Luke, Galron(Drap), BBT, and Pooky on one of the two wagons.

VC 1.14: The same

VC 1.13: Same +bell

VC 1.12: Same

-------

This feels like it should FoS:

Me, Johnny, Drapion, BBT, and Pooky.

Movement after that: BBT wagon starts forming, with it being a majority confirmed town

5 BlueBloodedToffee (

Dunnstral

, Cat Scratch Fever,

Frogsterking

,

Cephrir

, PenguinPower)

As the BBT wagon starts, Dancing Puppets and Enchant both join the Frogster wagon, after staying off of it for many VCs.

On a BBT scum flip, this feels like it should FoS:
Enchant, and Dancing Puppets

inb4 BBT comes in to call this level 0, but I want to say that this looks like a BBT+enchant scum team tbh.

VCA is trash. Also, the nonmeme explaination is with so much posting a large amount of people missed large chunks of the game, so as wagons shifted around between like 8 people in the course of a few days some people had static votes for something kinda out of their control. Remember we got a whole host of people to 6 or 7 votes in relatively short amounts of time.

[T-Bone]

I also feel like it was the same I dunno, 10 people changing their votes and driving all the wagons? And then a few extra people contributed to the high post count without vote movement (me, for example).

I don't know what I'm really defending, I guess I'm trying to protect Luke from bad gameplay idk

[T-Bone]

I dislike T-Bone's vote on Off the Hook. Aside from 8455, which was probably a joke, I feel like you're avoiding giving a read on BBT and commenting on that wagon.

I mean I don't particularly care about this wagon, what exactly did you want me to comment on?

It's a Thing That's Happening, so any thoughts about whether you like the wagon or the people on it instead of staying on the sidelines

I mean at the time 3 people were on it and one of my higher scumread (OTH) was on it. And now you've joined it, another slot I kinda look at as scum, so I don't think it's a good wagon. My two strongest town reads are voting elsewhere. The strongest town read of mine who is voting them is Math. I'm just not interested in eliminating a slot I consider null to slightly town when I think there are other slots more likely to flip scum. I also don't feel I need to argue against a (at the time) three person wagon.

[T-Bone]

I honestly don’t know what to make of you, other than our reads are so diametrically different.

We agree on Enchant if you really want to start there.

But yeah we see the game in completely different ways, I think that much is obvious. Whether you are also town or not and vise versa we won't know until the game is over, so like, idk what you want to do about it in the meantime? I feel like I've had good reads so far and so until I start having incorrect reads I'm gonna keep them where they are sans new information.

For what it's worth I know you've said something to the effect of "I could be in someone's pocket" a few times, and I think if that's true it's either OTH or CSF that has pocketed you. I don't know if that helps, I know you have your reasons for why you said you have your reads.

[T-Bone]

@Tbone, all right. i thought there were more people on that wagon but maybe that's because loud people were pushing it

I understand where you're coming from it was the dominant topic of conversation even though Math had all the votes.

[T-Bone]

Oh also CSF, and I guess this goes to everyone else too]...just ask me if you think there's something I should comment on that I haven't. I just tend to ignore things that don't involve me either directly or indirectly.

[T-Bone]

I honestly don’t know what to make of you, other than our reads are so diametrically different.

We agree on Enchant if you really want to start there.

But yeah we see the game in completely different ways, I think that much is obvious. Whether you are also town or not and vise versa we won't know until the game is over, so like, idk what you want to do about it in the meantime? I feel like I've had good reads so far and so until I start having incorrect reads I'm gonna keep them where they are sans new information.

For what it's worth I know you've said something to the effect of "I could be in someone's pocket" a few times, and I think if that's true it's either OTH or CSF that has pocketed you. I don't know if that helps, I know you have your reasons for why you said you have your reads.

I think I thought that about Frog but was obviously very wrong on that. Sure someone could possibly be pocketing me but I have no clue whom.

If anyone is it’s for certain not OtH and seriously doubt CSF is either.

Okay then disregard that. Do you want to do anything about Enchant? Mutual read.

[T-Bone]

VOTE: Enchant

[T-Bone]

Probably not. I don't even remember what show this Mafia game is even supposed to be parodying anymore.

[T-Bone]

@Bell what do you think about T-Bone's 8736 and Luke's 9072 with regards to their reads on me / descriptions of my play this game?

You do know that a single player scum reading you is okay right? Lol

Spoilers we're both town reading him

[T-Bone]

But also, he would be a safe person for scum to push. Because no one is ever blamed for his miselim in any game he is miseliminated in.

Luke I think we're having similar thoughts about Enchant.

Here's my "easy targets" list from beginning of d2:

Math
BBT
Enchant
Johnny
PP/BB
Mala
PD

I've been specifically aware of any pushes on those people. Not that any of them are necessarily town that scum wants to push, but that if scum wants to push someone easily, it's likely a town in this list.

Have you been thinking something similar? I only ask because you pointed this out with Enchant so was wondering if you had a list like this.

I just wanna say, I am literally having to work with Nancy here to get even one vote on Enchant so this is anything but easy.

[T-Bone]

@Bell what do you think about T-Bone's 8736 and Luke's 9072 with regards to their reads on me / descriptions of my play this game?

You do know that a single player scum reading you is okay right? Lol

Spoilers we're both town reading him

With specific/similar reasons which I'd like Bell to respond to.

I thought Luke thought I was scumreading you XD

[T-Bone]

Pagetop for old times sake.

[T-Bone]

But also, he would be a safe person for scum to push. Because no one is ever blamed for his miselim in any game he is miseliminated in.

Luke I think we're having similar thoughts about Enchant.

Here's my "easy targets" list from beginning of d2:

Math
BBT
Enchant
Johnny
PP/BB
Mala
PD

I've been specifically aware of any pushes on those people. Not that any of them are necessarily town that scum wants to push, but that if scum wants to push someone easily, it's likely a town in this list.

Have you been thinking something similar? I only ask because you pointed this out with Enchant so was wondering if you had a list like this.

I just wanna say, I am literally having to work with Nancy here to get even one vote on Enchant so this is anything but easy.

My perception of easy and the reality may not match up (though I stand by my perception here).

Do you think there are some easier players for scum to target or is that a ridiculous thought?

I'll give my "hard" list to compare. Do you think if we gladiate Enchant with any of the following players, people would vote anyone over enchant?

Rad
Luke
DP
C&G (note - was made at beginning of d2, I think after the potential lie reveal this is no longer "hard")
Roden
Dwlee

I don't know if you've noticed but nothing is easy. We're all too stubborn.

[T-Bone]

I do get what you're trying for it just doesn't match up with the reality of our game state. There usually are easy style votes but I am struggling to see them here.

[T-Bone]

I just wanna say, I am literally having to work with Nancy here to get even one vote on Enchant so this is anything but easy.

I keep going back and forth between voting there, and sticking to my math read tbh

Can I offer flipping a slot with a very hard to believe post restriction instead??

[T-Bone]

I'm ready to consolidate. I still think that post restriction is fake.

VOTE: C+G

Also, I dunno why you think Rad looks the worst if we do this lim and you're town for some reason. Clearly that should be me since I have telegraphed this basically since the beginning of the game? What a weird thing to focus on and then shade Rad with.

[T-Bone]

What would be the benefit of a fake posy restrictions though? Unless both the neighbors are scum, which feels pretty odd.

P-edit that makes a bit more sense. I dunno what me and you are doing this Game, I feel like I disagree with you, you get aggy at me and then we end up agreeing.

I get you the benefit is lost on me too...but maybe it was just a plan to get by as a lurker day 1 with a built in excuse...no one could predict we'd put up 300 pages.

I just think with how inconsistent they've been with the post restriction. Signatures don't count. Not even noticing they went over 100 words (or maybe they thought no one would count idk). Then they didn't know what the punishment was for going over 100 words. Then finally they said the Mod told them "close enough". I just think it was a plan gone wrong for reasons some within their control and some without their control, and that's why we struggle to think "why?"

And like, I'll be honest, and maybe this is confirm bias...I don't think their content through Math on Day 1 or their content now on Day 2 is all that compelling that makes me want to disregard all the weirdness because they look town.

Also if we accept their are scum in the neighbors...I think DNA is more likely than the Math slot.

[T-Bone]

The thing that bugs me the most is that there was no further questions about breaking it. Like I can see scum!math asking them in an attempt to get info to better enable the consequence, but I don't understand why it isn't the first question you ask as town or scum. I don't know, it's irrelevant but frustrating

I also feel this sentiment. Math should have been more critical of the slot starting Day 2. I can't explain why he was so accepting of the mistakes, and then when we revealed it was broken, I can't explain why he wasn't even concerned. It's just a weird dynamic. I think we should flip one of these two slots, though my preference is DNA.

[T-Bone]

I didn't even consider the possibility of the neighbourhood not being a thing. With the show having lots of separate camps/places it makes sense for the game to have a ton of neighbourhoods.

Did Corwin mention anything about the neighbourhood? I seem to remember someone saying Corwin didn't even mention interpreting posts for C&G, is that right?

I don't ever recall Corwin ever speaking for C+G. I think someone once accused Corwin of giving reads that weren't his own...to which Math later said "well duh because he was posting for three people".

[T-Bone]

I think it’s logical Math wasn’t engaged enough to care?

~GE

Yeah it's always a possibility that neither slot cares about the details.

[T-Bone]

Crazy theory.

I wonder if some of the neighbourhoods do consist of T+S and scum know this. Therefore, two scum decided to 'create a neighbourhood' in the hope that if one of them flips then the other person in their neighbourhood is cleared as town.

Is that too tin-foily?

I had floated it briefly earlier this day phase I think, but I was dismissed because "Math would never fake a hood".

I also dismissed it because I continue to hold a town lean on that slot

[T-Bone]

Yeah I was agreeing with you in a way.

[T-Bone]

C and g too. In my head I get hung up on only one of them or math can be scum but that's not mechanicalky true is it

I don't know. I think it would be weird for Math AND C&G to be scum and be in a neighbourhood. Like, that literally makes no sense at all.

I am of the opinion that all neighborhoods were determined before alignment. Every single neighbor hood that has claimed their flavor has made sense based on flavor.

Sun/Jin are a married couple. Rose/Bernard are a married couple. Boone/Shannon are Brother/Sister.

The mod said that the alignment for flavor was randomized. If Sun and Jin were both randomized into scum, I think that they would have ended up in a hood together.

I think this is correct.

[T-Bone]

These are the 3 that worry me most and I feel are pretty much universally town read and therefore unsuspected.

I've had OTH in my scumreads for awhile and even votes them yesterday.

[T-Bone]

Telling people they are wrong is an excellent way to get them to stop, yes.

PEdit: How???? Why???

[T-Bone]

RCE now confirmed town I won't hear anything different

[T-Bone]

Tell Ceph I miss him.

[T-Bone]

Should we actually do this?

VOTE: cg

Choo choo

[T-Bone]

It's not true? Like I said I don't have a VC but there were definitely four wagons that were not vanity.

I’m pretty sure it was you that started that wagon or something or at least I just remember like someone voting them and only like 2 other players joining for some reason.

I don't know why you were trying to misrepresent Bella here. There were several votes on DNA, so Bella was on a viable wagon.

[T-Bone]

At least when Penguin made the same claim he thought well enough to fact check and then recant

[T-Bone]

It's not true? Like I said I don't have a VC but there were definitely four wagons that were not vanity.

I’m pretty sure it was you that started that wagon or something or at least I just remember like someone voting them and only like 2 other players joining for some reason.

I don't know why you were trying to misrepresent Bella here. There were several votes on DNA, so Bella was on a viable wagon.

I think Drap is confibiased on Bella.

I just think he's scum? Maybe protecting scum DNA but I might be projecting.

[T-Bone]

Doing some quick work to organize my reads as they are floating around in my head. I'll explain these, but I also want to make time and explain my reads on the flipped players per the Professor's request earlier. Yesterday I just did willing to vote for/not willing to vote for, but I had a little more thought today about where I would put players.

Spoiler: Read Matrix

Lock Town
Rad
Lukewarm

Lean Town
Mathblade
Bell
JohnnyFarrar
Roden
Dwlee99

Null to Town
PookyTheMagicalBear
Dancing Puppets
BlueBloodedToffee

Null
Bellaphant
Mislim Bait
PenguinPower
Taly
MalcolmTucker
RCEnigma

Null to Scum
Cat Scratch Fever
ProfessorDrapion
Malakittens

Lean Scum
Enchant
Off the Hook
Cytosine and Guanine

Gonna quickly update this one. I feel better about Bella from today's interactions. Weirdly, I feel better about Penguin just cause he did a little fact checking on Bella. I know it's a minor thing, but he didn't have to. He could have waited for the mod to post a VC and then never correct himself. I feel less good about the Professor based on that same interaction, and some others that aren't as fresh in my memory. I expect Math to flip town, but if he doesn't I guess my reads are trashed RIP.

Spoiler: Read Matrix 2: Electric Boogaloo

Lock Town
Rad
Lukewarm

Lean Town
Mathblade
Bell
JohnnyFarrar
Roden
Dwlee99

Null to Town
PookyTheMagicalBear
Dancing Puppets
BlueBloodedToffee
Bellaphant
PenguinPower
RCEnigma

Null
Mislim Bait
Taly
MalcolmTucker

Null to Scum
Cat Scratch Fever

Malakittens

Lean Scum
ProfessorDrapion
Enchant
Off the Hook
Cytosine and Guanine

[T-Bone]

If Math flips town I'm gonna blame all of you equally. I hope that settles things.

[T-Bone]

luke
DP=taly, johnny=math

Bone
taly dp johnny math

csf
johnny taly math dp

pd
math johnny puppets taly

pooky
math johnny taly dp


TALY 2.5+3+2+0+1 = 8.5
JOHNNY .5+1+3+2+2 = 8.5

i hate u all

tsk tsk

time to pay the price

But do you pay the price for Ceph/Frog? :thinkingface:

What a weird flex but I guess you can't be scum sigh but you can be scum in my heart.

Eagerly waiting for the Bella thing I guess.

[T-Bone]

I'm about to eat humble pie if Bella is also scum RIP

[T-Bone]

I still want to flip DNA for that fake looking post restriction but the Math scum flip gives me pause there.

[T-Bone]

But I probably need to flip my reads upside down now? I don't know. Goodnight.

[T-Bone]

Im concerned about claiming because my role is good for town, but I will if it's consensus because I think there should be more than one of me.
@luke, what do you want me to do?

The Professor claimed essentially a cop guilty on you, so your role being secret is no longer good for town.

[T-Bone]

We have to flip you regardless! So it only matters in the off chance you flip town despite the guilty claim.

[T-Bone]

We have to flip you regardless! So it only matters in the off chance you flip town despite the guilty claim.

I think we should wait for the claim and go from there.

I was saying that in response to Bella posting a couple of times and not claiming.

[T-Bone]

We have to flip you regardless! So it only matters in the off chance you flip town despite the guilty claim.

I think we should wait for the claim and go from there.

I was saying that in response to Bella posting a couple of times and not claiming.

[T-Bone]

The alive slots that mentioned tracker this game: Drap, Pooky, TBone.

Did I? I don't remember

[T-Bone]

Those skilled at reading back may want to see who diverted Cephrir from gladiating Math.

~Titus

It was me diverting it from Johnny to Taly.

[T-Bone]

Bella issue resolves itself in time, no?

only if we commit to yeeting her tomorrow if she's still alive otherwise it's a wifom game.

and i don't trust people to commit to doing that tbh

Bella issue never resolves itself what is this???

[T-Bone]

Those skilled at reading back may want to see who diverted Cephrir from gladiating Math.

~Titus

It was me diverting it from Johnny to Taly.

For what it's worth I would have also tried to divert it off Math

[T-Bone]

Bella issue resolves itself in time, no?

only if we commit to yeeting her tomorrow if she's still alive otherwise it's a wifom game.

and i don't trust people to commit to doing that tbh

Bella issue never resolves itself what is this???

i mean - that's what i said. it only resolves itself we give it a night and we yeet bella tomorrow regardless. otherwise it's a wifom game and doesn't resolve itself.

reading comprehension ftw

I was agreeing with you because you quoted a nice post

[T-Bone]

Well mostly agreeing. We have to flip Bella today.

My vote is there pending waiting for Taly to say what they need to say about Bell.

[T-Bone]

My shit also matches my character, same with T-Bone

You and T-Bone are so buddy buddy in your hood that you shared your flavor AND your roles?

Our characters are literally named in the OP

[T-Bone]

Dp on point. Town Bella just dies tonight sitting on PD, or other doc saves her. Scum bella dies tomorrow not protecting PD. Or unlimited strongarm wrecks town cause OP as fuck

+1

Exactly, limming Bella today is anti-town when we can potentially save Drap tonight or confirm Bella!scum or know that a strongman exists and this is the only way to do all of this.

Is this a scum claim? In no world is not flipping Bella the right thing to do.

[T-Bone]

Yo we already decided Juliet (bella claim) could be doc.

Did Bella steal it from a scum partner? Sure maybe.

If PD dies tonight we flip bella, 100%.

If Bella is town doc PD doesn't die. Bella dies or someone random dies.

That's the point.

This is bad

Let's say we go through with this plan you've outted to the entire player list. Why do you think scum make the play that you've outlined that "confirms" two slots as town?

They don't. They kill someone else and force us to deal with this the next day phase.

[T-Bone]

If mafia have roleblocker, why they even need kill Professor.

They just roleblockspam Professor and keep both alive.


Also Dancing again scumclaiming.

First town post you've made all game!

[T-Bone]

I'll keep Drap alive if Bella flips scum. Problem solved???

[T-Bone]

Also like the handwringing over Drap dying if Bella flips scum is nonsense. That's a good fucking trade town should want to make every time. Only scum would be against this trade I feel.

If Bella flips town then there's zero chance Drap is killed because we'll have to flip him next.

[T-Bone]

Then what is your reason for wanting to pursue anti-town play?

[T-Bone]

Also like the handwringing over Drap dying if Bella flips scum is nonsense. That's a good fucking trade town should want to make every time. Only scum would be against this trade I feel.

If Bella flips town then there's zero chance Drap is killed because we'll have to flip him next.

It’s not that kind of 1v1.

Isn't it though? There's a lot of coincidence otherwise. Which granted, a series of unlikely events could put us into this position. But we can't play for the unlikely events, we have to play for the most likely outcome.

[T-Bone]

Like if Drap claimed I had targeted the night kill, I'd fall him a liar, but I would recognize your have to flip me because we have to start with the most likely scenario first, even if I knew the truth otherwise. Because we can't not flip and play WIFOM the rest of the game.

[T-Bone]

Yeah I read Bella way more town than Drap too...but like we are now forced to play the claim out.

[T-Bone]

Also like the handwringing over Drap dying if Bella flips scum is nonsense. That's a good fucking trade town should want to make every time. Only scum would be against this trade I feel.

If Bella flips town then there's zero chance Drap is killed because we'll have to flip him next.

It’s not that kind of 1v1.

Also like the handwringing over Drap dying if Bella flips scum is nonsense. That's a good fucking trade town should want to make every time. Only scum would be against this trade I feel.

If Bella flips town then there's zero chance Drap is killed because we'll have to flip him next.

It’s not that kind of 1v1.

Isn't it though? There's a lot of coincidence otherwise. Which granted, a series of unlikely events could put us into this position. But we can't play for the unlikely events, we have to play for the most likely outcome.

Sorry I should add on that Drap also claimed to not get a result night 1. So it is really claim vs claim here. Nothing is proved without a flip, and in light of that a Bella town flip makes Drap likely scum.

[T-Bone]

What?

[T-Bone]

Are you even reading my posts?

[T-Bone]

You realize I've been arguing to flip Bella, right?

[T-Bone]

Like I'm actually agreeing with you, but you're so arrogant about your read on me you don't see that?

[T-Bone]

Sorry I should add on that Drap also claimed to not get a result night 1. So it is really claim vs claim here. Nothing is proved without a flip, and in light of that a Bella town flip makes Drap likely scum.

Disagree.

Drap said: I HAVE A GUILTY ON BELLA
Bella said: I visited Bell, but I'm still town.


Bella confirmed the drap is telling the truth about being a tracker, so Bellas alignment has nothing to do with Draps at this point

I don't agree because we don't have any other confirmed action.

[T-Bone]

You realize I've been arguing to flip Bella, right?

So you don’t want optimal vote and would rather ML the actual doctor?
Lol.

Wait you track the kill and don't want to flip it? What?

[T-Bone]

Get on the same page with me here Drap. You said you tracked Bella to Bell. Bell is dead, therefore most likely you tracked Bella killing Bell, assuming you're telling the truth. Therefore we have to flip Bella. Do these statements make sense to you?

[T-Bone]

At best it's not alignment indicative

[T-Bone]

tbone hardtown for this line of reasoning imo

For thinking Bella!town=Drap!scum?

??????

yea

this reasoning is too awful to come from scum

The reasoning is fine, and while I appreciate the confidence in me if I were scum you'd be town reading me the entire time cause I'm too good.

[T-Bone]

I didn't say it confirms Drap as scum, I said it makes it more likely and in no way does it ever clear him as town.

But anyway just killing time till Talyslot speaks about Bell yeah?

[T-Bone]

At best it's not alignment indicative

Imo, at worst it's not alignment indicative lol

Imagine living in a world where you make a claim that gets town mislimmed and then people town read you for it. Remind me to try this next time I am scum.

[T-Bone]

Oh I didn't see that had happened.

VOTE: Bellaphant

[T-Bone]

We're arguing hypotheticals since the most likely outcome is that Drap tracked the kill.

But y'all are giving me great ideas for what you're willing to believe for the next time I draw scum so thanks.

[T-Bone]

Well duh you always true claim

[T-Bone]

Unless you do mega scum theatre, that's always a treat too

[T-Bone]

scum!Drap tracks town!Bella doc coincidentally to the NK. Ok!

Good luck setting up that pure luck scenario as scum!

Like... any scum!Drap scenario here is absolutely more ridiculous than any town!Bella doc scenario

As opposed to the pure luck scenario of town!Drap doing the same?

What??

[T-Bone]

Unless you do mega scum theatre, that's always a treat too

Could be scum theater in a SvS, sure. But any scum!Drap town!Bella scenario is absolute ridiculous luck.

Okay you understand that town!Drap knows no one's alignment and has a 1 in 20 shot of tracking someone to a kill?

Scum!Drap knows 3 other players who are scum and all the town claims out there that are true.

I'm not saying that he could purposely set it up. He just has a better chance as scum to track town to a player who got killed.

But also Bella is probably scum because that's way more likely anyway so I dunno why we are preflipping Drap town if Bella happens to come back town

[T-Bone]

I dispute that Bella flipping town makes Drap town. It just makes him a tracker. How is that hard to understand?

[T-Bone]

I mean sorry, I'm sensitive to NAI stuff being used to clear people because that laziness helps town to lose.

And yeah there's an element of me not finding Drap to be particularly townie this game. Bella flipping scum kinda clears him in my mind. Bella not doesn't.

[T-Bone]

Yeah Rad filled me in so I voted.

[T-Bone]

Yes hammer time.

[T-Bone]

All the votes after my hammer are clearly scum posturing /s

[T-Bone]

No talk speed wagon Mala Day 4 challenge

[T-Bone]

VOTE: Malakittens

[T-Bone]

No talk speed wagon Mala Day 4 challenge

If you do this you are stupid as fuck

I’m just saying

I'm joking, we're just sitting here waiting for the flip, there's no stakes.

I didn't say it confirms Drap as scum, I said it makes it more likely and in no way does it ever clear him as town.

But anyway just killing time till Talyslot speaks about Bell yeah?

Is Bella not enough? don’t worry.
If I track another wolf and execute them I’ll have to be confirmed town then.

It'll never be enough for me bb

[T-Bone]

Okay Mala is confirmed town.

[T-Bone]

my philosophy as cop is to check players who are capable of solo winning the game

not random limbait who r possibly scum

Awwww thanks

[T-Bone]

Gonna update my reads. Going to break it down into more of a sort list. In light of my incorrect reads on Math, and to a lesser extent Drapion and Bella, I need to reanalyze who I strongly read as scum, and reanalyze some of my weaker town reads.

I think of all my previously held scum reads, DNA is the one I want to reexamine most in light of Math's flip. I don't think any other flip I was incorrect on necessary makes anyone more likely town/scum, but my read accuracy right now is 66% so if that trend holds then I had 1/3 of the player list in the wrong spot.

Spoiler: Electric Reads

Not to Sort
Rad
Lukewarm
JohnnyFarrar
Roden
Dwlee99
PookyTheMagicalBear
ProfessorDrapion
Dancing Puppets

To Sort
BlueBloodedToffee
PenguinPower
RCEnigma
Taly
MalcolmTucker
Mislim Bait
Cat Scratch Fever
Malakittens
Cytosine and Guanine
Enchant
Off the Hook

[T-Bone]

Press X to Doubt

[T-Bone]

what's up friends

I am a novice two shot cop

T-Bone & Lukewarm are town

I checked with Dragons I am confirmed sane

Kinda curious how you checked whether you're sane or not.
like did you just asked and got a yes reply

i asked dragons cuz I didnt want to believe T-bone was town rofl

Just when I thought you were cool...

[T-Bone]

I did not find his progression on Bella believable at all really.

By contrast, even though you were both arguing to save Bella, I did find yours believable

Progression when? Pre or post track reveal?

[T-Bone]

Roles and flavor were selected at random per the mod. No one can clear themselves as town just because they possess a certain role...except maybe masons I guess? I would summize any role whichs function is to not alignment confirm can be of any alignment.

[T-Bone]

RIP that claim

Vote: Enchant

[T-Bone]

Noooooooooooooooooooooooo Luke you bastards

[T-Bone]

Town Lean:
butterchurn
Johnny
T-Bone
BB
Pooky
Mislim Bait
BBT
Taly
Roden

What changed your read on me since here, Rad?

2095 read happened

What are you even doing here? Meta is trash, especially when it is used in place of progression.

I've seen a scum role that can talk to dead players actually.

and Best Bird isn't even that townie tbh

Hot takes 2022

I gotta go to sleep now so I'll end tonight with this.

Town, hello. Why does scum!Rad kill Bell and Luke who are reading him as scum? It's ridiculous and obvious. scum!Rad's plan there is to do that so I can, right now, claim that it's ridiculous and obvious. This is the move that scum!Rad has been planning since the Bell flip, in a large game with 4 other scum partners, after 2 newbies where I 1. as town push dead town players' reads to win the game and 2. as scum focus heavily on the 1 player that I thought I could pocket into a win.

If this is scum!Rad following what's proven to work I've chosen Nancy as that 1 player. Is pocketing Nancy here the winning move for scum!Rad? Point to someone else scum!Rad has pocketed here. Johnny maybe? Lol. And scum!Rad pockets Nancy via pushing Nancy and then crossing his fingers that Nancy backs off and we can be pocket friends.

If this is town!Rad I'm just openly chasing ideas left and right with no focus because I do not understand how to focus yet. I go out of my way to read other games with players who are in this one. That includes a bunch of Nancy games and some newbie games focusing on Luke and Roden/Mala/BBT.

I'm today's mislim. I get it if I have to be flipped to prove it but me being the mislim is just the fact. I don't think it would even be super obvious who is scum on my mislim. Scum could wait until town started the mislim to jump on. Scum could just do it because it's super justifiable.

I think we got basically 1 good read out of this so far and that's BBT. NO reason to get off my wagon here as scum.

There's probably some town defending me too and I'll try to figure that out tomorrow.

For now I wanted to leave this in case spicy shit happens over night while I'm asleep.

Can one post tank a town read? Yes...yes it can. I'm struggling here how you went from your play the first 4 days to just dropping all pretenses. Is it because you are bad under pressure or what? This post is bad on levels beyond levels.

If you think the reads chart is bad then maybe you can tell me what the updated reads are

What are you even doing right now?

That leaves;

Butterflies
Malcolm
OtH
Mislim
Best Bird

I'm not convinced on CSF, C&G, Rad or Johnny but I think I'm happy to go with this pool right now.

Not gonna lie, when I saw there were like 25 unread pages I almost just naked voted Mislim Bait. I might still do that, just not as naked.

I understand I have to wait for a fair few people to die before I start pushing Butterflies so I just have to be patient with that one.

You shouldn't trust other people's reads either; especially when they're scum

Remember, they had Math at '80% town' and 'hard TR' Bella, too.

This post in particular reads really scummy to me.

VOTE: BBT

This post is scum indicative because you’re already trying to set up my miselim in advance. If you were town here, you be wanting to re-evaluate after those other flips and say something like that but no, you’re already locked on me as scum before you even see those flips. I don’t see how town ever thinks like this.

What are you even doing? You're not cleared as town, it's okay for people to think your slot is scum.

[T-Bone]

Rate my 11536 post in D&D role/alignment terms T-Bone

I mean that's the post I quoted as being bad, telling me to read it doesn't answer my questions. My questions about whether this is bad because you are scum or because you crack under pressure is really for everyone else...

[T-Bone]

Let's be real, Rad is under pressure and flailing. I just haven't decided what that says about his alignment yet. It does strike me as completely different from how he has played the game up to this point.

[T-Bone]

The tl;dr background of my comments is that I had an early town read on Rad, I thought he played a very obvious town game Day 1 and 2

[T-Bone]

That he's a cop and Luke and I are town.

[T-Bone]

Johnny is the Doctor even if you think he’s not.
Malcolm ain’t Doctor so he can die boys!

Why do you think this?

[T-Bone]

Actually, this makes Pooky’s novice cop shot also more believable.

Why?

Because both BB and Pooky have claimed a two shot.

What does that have to do with anything? Why can't one of them be a 2 shot and the other be something else or nothing? Why can't town!BB be a 2 shot and scum!Pooky also claim a 2 shot? Why can't scum!BB fake claim 2 shot and town!Pooky actually be a 2 shot?

Actually nm, my theory doesn’t gel with Drap’s role.

I didn't want to explicitly point it out yet, but there's a train of thought

[T-Bone]

@Johnny
I’d suggest in case wolves try and sweep you into an ML you may want to full on claim Doctor.

But seriously why do you think this?

[T-Bone]

@Johnny
I’d suggest in case wolves try and sweep you into an ML you may want to full on claim Doctor.

But seriously why do you think this?

Can we refrain from baiting role claims?

No. Please don't provide The Professor cover. He already claimed his role, there's nothing for me to bait from him.

[T-Bone]

Why are we in your PoE then?

Because you could be scum WITH that role

Actually tbh, coroner seems like a role that should go to town. I got to admit I'm not super impressed with Off The Hook's play here though.
~Cytosine

You know some people made the same argument when Bella claimed doc. I think Math tried making the argument with his role too.

I think it's safe to say role is divorced from alignment.

[T-Bone]

Maybe I’ll track T-Bone or Pooky tonight.

Glad you're here. Why do you keep telling everyone Johnny is a doctor?

[T-Bone]

Vote: Drapion

[T-Bone]

Vote: Drapion

Them fighting words!

I'm literally waiting for you to answer one question.

[T-Bone]

The one where I asked why you think Johnny is a doctor.

[T-Bone]

Okay I think Drapion is scum with too much information lol

[T-Bone]

It bothers me that you think you know his role when the only place Johnny has discussed it is in our hood.

[T-Bone]

Vote: Drapion

I’m extremely glad you don’t have a gladiate

Maybe I do you don't know

[T-Bone]

Stop making plans if Drapion is town he needs to do his own thing lol

[T-Bone]

VOTE: Mislim Bait

[T-Bone]

This is assuming oth doesn't have a role where the mod announces the result. I can't remember if that's the case with oth's outted role.

"one shot public corner" is my role

do you know what public means :rosejudge:

i kinda want to public coroner mathblade just to see if the dude is actually a neighbor

oooooooo

[T-Bone]

Let's kill a mason and then coroner to be sure

[T-Bone]

It bothers me that you think you know his role when the only place Johnny has discussed it is in our hood.

Can you elaborate any more on what you're thinking here tbone? Or do you want answers from drap first? I've been waiting for this thread to play out and I don't think it has yet.

It played out as much as it will for now

[T-Bone]

I'm confirmed town come at me bruh

[T-Bone]

Are you having a stroke Drap?

[T-Bone]

They work in illogical ways I guess

[T-Bone]

My offer to flip a mason to confirm the other and also maybe some of these interact with dead people folks is still on the table

[T-Bone]

We could flip Drap too

[T-Bone]

Roden claimed mason though

[T-Bone]

What lol

[T-Bone]

I save you every night bud by saying things like "but maybe we should flip Drap".

You're welcome.

[T-Bone]

My offer to flip a mason to confirm the other and also maybe some of these interact with dead people folks is still on the table

They are ducking useless anyways.
But I & OTH can confirm but killing me now and somehow OTH dying before they can use their shot is going to foil this plan
But hey let’s continue with killing me
One who can investigate full roles of the dead

Lol we don't need coroner to confirm Mason, we just need a dead mason to flip and the other is same alignment.

well....and hope they aren't like enchant tbf

no role flips

If one of the masons is town and pretending to be mason with scum we are certainly just fucked yeah? I mean that's just throwing the game. Does that kind of shit happen? I've seen town fake claim but have you seen fake mason claims with just 1 scum in it?

No either they are masons or scum there's no in-between.

[T-Bone]

I'm not going to argue with you but as Bella was low hanging fruit that's an easy bus that I would take every day. We can do this another day DNA.

VOTE: Malakittens

[T-Bone]

You know that post and the comment about the scumteam forgetting masons was a bit, right?

[T-Bone]

Just the 4 at the moment?

Light work. Keep going guys, you can do it.

Been trying to mislim me from Day One. It's not happening.

It might happen. I’m finding the latest page compelling. You know if I vote they will fall in line.

[T-Bone]

The more drap argues someone is scum the more town I think that person is ngl.

I know, right???????

[T-Bone]

You can hard disagree all you like. Your meta reads this game have been garbage and you tried to use meta to read me and it was equally as bad.

Just because we thought the same thing it doesn't make us the same alignment. Especially when me thinking was way out there simply based on the fact I wanted Bella to be town more than anything actually content based.

I've scum read your slot for the majority of the game.

These points don't line up. In the first part, you're talking as if they're town who is playing badly (their reads so far this game are bad, therefore their read on you is equally bad). But in the second part, you are saying that you read them as scum. The almost condescending tone you're using here doesn't make sense if you're talking to someone that you actually scumread, unless you were talking about how they were playing badly

as scum

. Nowhere in this conversation does it actually feel like you think you are talking to scum or that you want them to be eliminated.

This is compelling

No it's not.

[T-Bone]

Because you're equating the "meta is trash" stance with "this is why I think X about alignment" stance. They are two separate thoughts and BBT clearly wrote them as separate thoughts.

[T-Bone]

Because you're equating the "meta is trash" stance with "this is why I think X about alignment" stance. They are two separate thoughts and BBT clearly wrote them as separate thoughts.

Why not talk to Johnny I’m Neighbourhood about it?
Seems your trying to either cause damage on the poor butterfly and give Blue the mushroom to level up as a form of protection.
I won’t let either happen, I got the star.

Because I call Johnny scum in the neighborhood, so we're too busy for discussing bad takes.

[T-Bone]

Because you're equating the "meta is trash" stance with "this is why I think X about alignment" stance. They are two separate thoughts and BBT clearly wrote them as separate thoughts.

Why not talk to Johnny I’m Neighbourhood about it?
Seems your trying to either cause damage on the poor butterfly and give Blue the mushroom to level up as a form of protection.
I won’t let either happen, I got the star.

Because I call Johnny scum in the neighborhood, so we're too busy for discussing bad takes.

So your Godfather?
Got it!

I'm gonna kill Pooky tonight, come and watch.

[T-Bone]

By the way, has anybody explained their Johnny TRs yet with something not to do with the possibility of him being a Doctor?
Because otherwise, I think that I might agree with T-Bone.
-Guanine

I don't think Johnny is scum

[T-Bone]

I keep going back and forth on whether or not to spill the tea on our neighborhood. Tbone thinks I'm partners with Drapion and I'm a little suspicious of him for a similar reason. If Drapion flips scum before I die somehow I have no doubt Tbone and I will be gunning for each other.

Fascinating post though. I also told you I would fake claim a guilty on Drap tomorrow to get your scum buddy Drap limmed so you best night kill me to save you both. It was tongue in cheek and I figured you'd take it that way.

[T-Bone]

I might as well lay it out though. Drap calling Johnny a doctor makes me think he has too much info because I have a protective role and claimed to have one to Johnny early. I said I protected Drap after the Bella flip. There's a paranoid part of me that Johnny and Drap have been discussing these things in a Mafia PT, leading to Drap calling Johnny a doctor in this thread.

[T-Bone]

To be clear I think I'm still erring on the side of paranoia. I don't know what Johnny's role is but I don't think he's scum based on that. I'm way more suspicious of what led Drap to this conclusion rather than anything Johnny has done regarding this.

[T-Bone]

I might as well lay it out though. Drap calling Johnny a doctor makes me think he has too much info because I have a protective role and claimed to have one to Johnny early. I said I protected Drap after the Bella flip. There's a paranoid part of me that Johnny and Drap have been discussing these things in a Mafia PT, leading to Drap calling Johnny a doctor in this thread.

T-Bone is claiming to be the Doctor?
Why did he out?

Bud you've been fishing for this all day phase.

[T-Bone]

Also, just for clarity, I claim Doc. Flavour is Jack.

T-Bone, do not waste your protect on me. I am Macho. This is another reason I believed Bella's claim but I obviously couldn't reveal.

I hope my play makes a little more sense this game in terms of trying not to be too widely town read. Unfortunately, I got very widely scum read and couldn't really recover.

This i believe and doesn't really change anything I've said.

[T-Bone]

Ironically BBT's and CSF's claim suddenly make Drapion townie again lol

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Or rather at least axes my pet theory about roles anyway. That's what i mean

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There was a dead thread I was never invited RIP

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I need to stop letting people talk me out of reads though...