And I'm not saying we'd recruit you, but if we did it would be into the Lunar cult ~In post 6, furtiveglance wrote:Not saying I'm Cult, but if I was I'd be Solar.
VOTE: Child of fairies
-Aisa
And I'm not saying we'd recruit you, but if we did it would be into the Lunar cult ~In post 6, furtiveglance wrote:Not saying I'm Cult, but if I was I'd be Solar.
Does this mean we can't reference meta? Or is this a more standard no OGI/no trust tells clause?In post 1, MegAzumarill wrote: ¤Do notuse anything not originating from this game in order to influence your play.
Might want to fix that?¤Day CycleThe game starts in Dusk phase, then changes to night phase, then changes to dawn phase, then changes to noon phase. Most actions are performed at noon or night, eliminations
Both Aisa and I thinkIn post 44, Frozen Angel wrote:shifty is patent protected btw.In post 19, mastina wrote:(Okay but for real, I intend to be a BEACON this game, REVEALING the TRUE COLORS of all.)In post 18, mastina wrote:REJOICE! For your SAVIOR is--oh, wait, this is a cult game, I shouldn't open with that.
Hi I am a maso--oh, wait, this is a cult game, I shouldn't open with that.
Hi, I am town.
Who is talia?In post 34, Yume wrote:I am Talia. Believe it or not, it's true. As true as the fact that Aegon the Conqueror had two wives.
This is fascinating though and I want to say it loud what most probably thought about too:
So it seems that Noon is the night phase for the Solar cult and the night is the night phase for the Lunar cult. In other words, based on flavor we can guess that the cults are even/off phase mechanically. But guess we'll see when we goIn post 22, MegAzumarill wrote:In post 20, furtiveglance wrote:Meg, is there any public information about Dusk/Dawn phases? Are they different?Both Dusk and Dawn function as normal Mafia game eliminations, as well as Noon and Night function as normal mafia game night phases. They are functionally identical except they are distinct.
Anyways missed you, my friends. long time no see <3 been a while since I played a game here
VOTE: Bunnyonce
Speaking for myself: the mechanical speculation and her enthusiasm seemed towny.
That is pretty much what I meant by "level 0". Do you have any early read on the slot yourself?In post 53, Radja wrote:I mean, I'd probably argue that it's very easily faked.In post 52, Bunnyonce wrote:Speaking for myself: the mechanical speculation and her enthusiasm seemed towny.
I guess you could argue that's a level 0 take, but whatever.
-Aisa
Oh, we felt the need to share it for a very, very deep reason. The conversation went like this (paraphrasing):In post 56, Frozen Angel wrote:[...]Not bugged by a random early shallow read being dropped in page 2. I'm just curious why you felt you need to share it in the chat and in that tone and I'm not the type the ignore the reads on my slot even if they shallowIn post 52, Bunnyonce wrote:Speaking for myself: the mechanical speculation and her enthusiasm seemed towny.
I guess you could argue that's a level 0 take, but whatever.
-Aisa
the way its phrased and followed is bugging me in ways
[...]
Why wouldIn post 53, Radja wrote:I mean, I'd probably argue that it's very easily faked.In post 52, Bunnyonce wrote:Speaking for myself: the mechanical speculation and her enthusiasm seemed towny.
I guess you could argue that's a level 0 take, but whatever.
-Aisa
Why do you think that the way I phrase my posts is alignment indicative?In post 67, Frozen Angel wrote:
"Both Aisa and I think Frozen Angel is town for this post."
I actually felt like it wasn't worded for a wishy washy read. I felt it was worded strongly for a wishy washy read and then you went downgrading it as it went questioned. It just doesn't fit with tone is all I'm saying but I'm just gonna keep note of that for now
I don't believe you'd expect me to declare you town with 100% certainty so early. But I do think that post is indicative of you being town. I don't think that if you were scum, you'd make such a post just to maintain a facade.In post 87, Frozen Angel wrote:I just said it bugged me cause it has tone-meaning inconsistency. It's not "alignment indicative" on its own at least.In post 77, Bunnyonce wrote:Why do you think that the way I phrase my posts is alignment indicative?In post 67, Frozen Angel wrote:
"Both Aisa and I think Frozen Angel is town for this post."
I actually felt like it wasn't worded for a wishy washy read. I felt it was worded strongly for a wishy washy read and then you went downgrading it as it went questioned. It just doesn't fit with tone is all I'm saying but I'm just gonna keep note of that for now
~Greeting
what are your reads besides that "level 0" town read on my slot from everything else that's being said?
UghIn post 124, Aisa wrote:There is this minigame I like to play from time to time called "guess the head". I'm particularly intrigued by who is Mumps, who is Measles, and who is Rubella.
I'm pretty sure it was just slightly unfortunate wording on Greeting's part. He could have said "FA is towny" instead of "FA is town" in the initial post and then we wouldn't be here having this discussion.In post 100, Frozen Angel wrote:[...]
But that doesn't matter to me as much as how you contradicted yourself on tone there in a way later on, at first saying yeah its a town read and both heads of hydra fully agree and then falling back on the read and claiming its just a hunch practically without any other development in game to justify the tone switch. Like I don't hold people responsible that much for their page 2 reads but I'm looking for people developments from one point to another to judge if it was faked or not
I realise this is an easy thing to say to cover up an apparent inconsistency after the posts have been made. I don't think there's anything more I can do to change minds at this point, so I'm gonna move on.
Just from browsing the thread right now, and without having discussed with Greeting, I feel like the Past Present Future slot might be Town. Call it vibes idk, just feel like their posting is on par for the course so far.In post 87, Frozen Angel wrote:[...]
what are your reads besides that "level 0" town read on my slot from everything else that's being said?
I'm gonna take it slow I think, I don't really know how to handle a good chunk of the playerlist and I don't really know what to do with the multiball aspect of the game.
-Aisa
Why is 58 obvtown?In post 96, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow wrote:This is probably a +town observation?In post 44, Frozen Angel wrote:So it seems that Noon is the night phase for the Solar cult and the night is the night phase for the Lunar cult. In other words, based on flavor we can guess that the cults are even/off phase mechanically. But guess we'll see when we go
Bunnyonce says the exact same thing and can be town for it as well
58 reaffirms that Bunnyonce is obvtown
Most of my reads are the exact opposite of how mastina reads them and that confuses me
Looking forward to this thoughIn post 97, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow wrote:Gonna full solve the game with Bella tonight
quote for referenceIn post 57, Save The Dragons wrote:I don't plan on learning the mechanics are they difficult
What makes you think 6 is the approximate amount?In post 92, mastina wrote:[...]
(Yes I am aware that's too few scum since the approximate amount should be 6, so I'm townreading slots I shouldn't be, but for now, this'll do.)
I agree with your maths.In post 242, mastina wrote:Basic math.In post 144, Bunnyonce wrote:What makes you think 6 is the approximate amount?In post 92, mastina wrote:[...]
(Yes I am aware that's too few scum since the approximate amount should be 6, so I'm townreading slots I shouldn't be, but for now, this'll do.)
-Aisa
There's 17 players in the game.
If there's 4 scum per faction for 8 total, that's 8 scum to 9 town. Town would legitimately only have a one-player lead over the scum.
If there's 2 scum per faction for 4 total, that's a ridiculously small scumteam for both. I suppose two per team is possible if they DO have a recruitment mechanic, but if the game lacks a recruitment mechanic or has it be incredibly gated, then the approximate amount should be three per faction.
I'm tempted to TR RR for this.In post 155, Radical Rat wrote:[...]
I haven't actually read most of the thread yet, forgot how daunting Larges can be
[...]
I have never seenIn post 254, mastina wrote:That's the thing tho.In post 182, MMR wrote:I do agree with you that mastina's read on STD is a bit off. I don't feel like his content at the time when she made the read, was exactly that Towny.
UNVOTE: FA for now.
STD's town/scum meta are night/day different. And this game STD is a beacon of light. This is his towngame through and through. He's literally radiating his alignment, a shining beacon of towniness. He is town, 100%. Like, genuinely top-tier townread, town. He cannot be scum here.
Frozen Angel also has a town/scum meta that are night/day different. The asterisk to my read on FA here is that I don't know which is which.
I KNOW that FA has a night/day difference in her town meta and her scum meta.
I'm PRETTY sure that this is the night half, that this is the scum half, that this is FA as scum. But the asterisk on my read is that I might be remembering it backwards. I'm PRETTY sure I'm getting it right that this is the scum half tho.
I'd go 60% cult recruit, 40% no cult recruit. I think this:In post 339, MathBlade wrote:Do you think this is a cult recruit game y/n?
Do you think the wagon you’re on is towndriven? Do you think there’s scum on it?
is completely consistent with Meg first deciding that they want to use limited reveals for the game, then wording that message in the way they did wifom us. There's also the fact that there is¤ Limited Reveal Factional abilities will not be revealed when a faction member dies. Role abilities and alignment still flip as normal.
I have played withIn post 365, MathBlade wrote:Lol really?
Like this is ridiculous.
Mastina I think scum slipped hard with the 6.
No one bothers to track her down or ask why until Bunny,
Instead people focus on FA minutia that’s absolutely less than what Mastina did.
Titus who is a person who loves to read by mech didn’t point anything out? Instead she wants Bunny who quite frankly is one of the few towntold people in my catch-up and professor why? That makes no sense. She’d also support a lurker wagon on my slot specifically despite the many lurkers.
StD is very tunnelled if town at this point to argue FA is scum but yet not notice Mastina mech
The arguments are contradictory and non existent.
Instead you just call the slots “Townie” and therefore I am scum.
That conclusion doesn’t follow any premise. It’s well known that I tend to disagree with popular opinion at times no matter my alignment.
This entrance I assure you is 100% something I have done as town and I will do and continue to do so.
This is a whole lot of nothing burger.
Why? And can you answer 313?In post 413, Radical Rat wrote:I'm still here, still haven't properly read. My less-busy section of week is approaching and I'll do a proper reading then, pinky swear.
For now though, rough instinct says MathBlade Town.
Of course I can. I'm not some kind of robot, and I don't thinkIn post 526, Frozen Angel wrote:
Feelings are not a towntell or scum tell. Only tell by feelings is when you see a pattern of them that make sense together or prove they were faked. the pattern can be by meta ofcourse too with lesser validity.
but you cant use your own meta to make a read on another person feelings.
...Greeting's read on you is based on meta, why wouldn't he explain that?In post 526, Frozen Angel wrote:I don't get it. why everyone is forcing themself to write something about my meta? how is that even helpful to form a read on me?In post 311, Bunnyonce wrote: I have never seen FA as scum. As town she's normally rather helpful and cooperative, and I believe that is how she's been so far.
~Greeting
Why not?
What I meant is that maybe you could have gone and verified which for sure which FA meta we were in. You've said you are busy, which is fine.In post 737, mastina wrote:I already did, repeatedly.In post 338, Bunnyonce wrote:Maybe mastina would like to finally confirm for us if she thinks FA is in her scum or town meta?
My stance on FA I really don't get why y'all don't understand it, I'm being as clear as I can.
[...]
I amprettysure that this meta is FA's scum one. So I amprettysure that FA is scum. I KNOW she has a night/day difference between the town/scum metas, can SEE the difference in live time. But I'm rusty on FA and can't FOR SURE remember it, in spite of being pretty sure it's the scum meta.
At the time, I thought this was a bizarre assumption, but something I would expect ofIn post 360, MathBlade wrote:I think if Bunny was scum and this 6 was wrong they’d let it go uncorrected.
I think if Bunny was scum and this 6 was right and different teams they’d just note Mastina scum.
I think if Bunny was scum and 6 was right and same team then they’d let it go and hope no one noticed.
That 6 is incredibly odd.
What?In post 1055, professotic wrote:This is a wolf using the blatant town read excuse to try to insist them to vote on the Rat wagon to save their teammate.In post 1049, Bunnyonce wrote:VOTE: Radical Rat
For dodging questions. Other head free to change it, but I would like to put some pressure there first. Aisa believesfurtiveglancestarted to enact his town meta so we would be moving this vote anyway.
~Greeting
Classic wolf play.
Don’t fall for it Furtive.
Pretty much agree with this list.In post 1119, furtiveglance wrote: I have a kill list. It's Maid Cafe, T-Bone, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow, Enchant mostly.
If you look at the postcount, there is a ridiculous discrepancy between the amount of posts by the top 4-5 posters,In post 1591, MMR wrote:It's still the first day and I think that a lot of people's attention has been placed onto Math and mastina. Hopefully, Day 1 will be different.In post 1588, furtiveglance wrote:I do want this day to end, it's boring and no one's listening to me.In post 1583, MMR wrote:I don't think that much counterwagons have taken off.In post 1581, furtiveglance wrote:What's the current voting at? Can we get a counter wagon going or are we just done?
I guess that either people want the Day to end or they are SRing mastina the most.
-Rubella
-Rubella
I did readIn post 1594, MMR wrote:@BunnyIn post 1574, mastina wrote:Because both are likely scum, and probably partnered at that.In post 1571, MMR wrote:By the way, why is Bunny in the same tier as RR in your readslist?
What do you have to say about this?
-Rubella
If we are scum withIn post 1595, mastina wrote:That'sIn post 1582, MMR wrote:I feel like RR and Bunny haven't interacted that much that could point to them being partnered.exactlywhy they ARE (likely) partnered.
No seriously.
This is a multiball game.
"haven't interacted that much in ways that can point to them being partnered" is exactly what scum in multiball strive for.
Individually, I think both have decent odds for being scum;
Neither of them look like they're not scum with the other;
With neither as being a particular point of pressure, that kind of interaction suggests both scum together. Bunnyonce's vote on RR is fairly halfhearted especially given the wagon on me and no real effort from Bunnyonce to dismantle it. So the RR vote is fairly performative. Bunnyonce wasn't voting RR while there was a more competitive gamestate with multiple wagons, when RR votes had a chance to gain traction. Bunnyonce's vote on RR happened only after my elimination gained enough momentum to become almost an inevitabilitBree.
I'm still figuring out this whole hydra thing, but if Greeting dislikes the vote then we're not voting Scarf. I don't know how what slot we'll vote instead, but we'll do our best to find something sensible!In post 1712, furtiveglance wrote:What if Greeting gets on and unvotesIn post 1708, Bunnyonce wrote:Lmao sorry. I kept being like "Hmm, maybe if I keep skimming this game for ten minutes a day, Greeting and I will eventually align on a scumread and then I will push it".
Turns out that that, uh, hasn't happened so I've decided to think pragmatically.
I think there's also someone who criticised us for being super lukewarm on RR andnot reallytrying to build a counterwagon and I think that's fair soo yeah.
-Aisa
Ok, can't really argue against "looks weird". I suppose you never claimed it was anything moreIn post 1730, T-Bone wrote:It looks weird to me that we're talking about a possible DDS vote, one happens, and you jump in to redirect. It's probably coincidence but damn if that doesn't look intentional.In post 1706, Bunnyonce wrote:Talk to me then T-Bone? I'm here for 15 minutes and will also be back in a few hours.
-Aisa
In post 1727, Scarfmanship wrote:Ydrasse, You say that I haven't done anything beyond that, but it worked. A wagon on me, while not the best outcome, does give fresh content to the game.
My nonanswer to your question is that I think furitive is town, and is like me but has more social capital. I think PPF votes me as either alignment because they have disliked me ever since i vaguely insulted them earlier. Dunno about the other two.
Also, there's another layer to calling for votes on DDS that (you plural)'re not seeing. Someone mentioned that DDS is a tertiary priority for people right now. I think mafia lives in tertiary priorities, and mafia lives in null reads, so if those reads are real, it's worth investigating. However, it's also worth investigating to see if the people repeating that DDS is null-scumlean are being genuine in their reads, or if they are parroting the consensus to sound town, so I wanted to see who was willing to commit to what they were saying. It also opens up the option to force potential mafia commit to a stance on a weak partner that they're not sure what to do with earlier than they want to. Or maybe we would have seen a lack of resistance which also would have been informative.
Because it is very easy to coast by shading the people everyone else is shading, complaining about mastina and mathblade, and get at minimum nullread for it.
Aaaah
I'd like to know why you thought this was a worthwhile post.
Assuming this is directed at us, how exactly does your theory fit into my latest unvote?In post 1756, professotic wrote:Wolves hard defending each other.
Yeah. I mean, sometimes things ping me but none of the pings feel really stable enough to call scum. It’s not that I don’t have ideas at all, but developing the ideas takes time and somehow just hasn’t really happened this game.In post 1762, MMR wrote:Wait.Bunnyonce wrote:@prof, no? Here is my current list. Greeting is the expert on his opinion so he can tell you about his reads when he is online.
Townread
MathBlade
Yume
furtive
Townlean
STD/Ydrasse
Scarf
mastina
Everyone else is sort of a shrug. Yes, I know I said I had a mini gut read on DDS as town, I don't feel like it's based on enough evidence to move them officially into the townleans.
-Aisa
Is most of the others null, then?
Or am I missing your SRs?
-Rubella
In post 1761, Bunnyonce wrote:I'd like to know why you thought this was a worthwhile post.
Assuming this is directed at us, how exactly does your theory fit into my latest unvote?In post 1756, professotic wrote:Wolves hard defending each other.
-Aisa
If you think we are scum with mastina then what's the point of making a counterwagon to mastina by voting us?In post 1773, professotic wrote:The one CW I would not oppose to is a Bunny CW.
I think they are aligned with Mastina and this last post from them feels like something where I feel is more likely to come from a wolf then town.
“Oh you know pings”
Cause man trust me when I’m a wolf I’ll do stuff like “I’m conflicted”
“If I had to guess probably them” or make like random solves or theories.
That post gives me a wolf making fake reads feel.
Think I'm gonna talk about this in my next post.In post 1779, Past Present Future wrote:[...]
What about Greeting? Does he have anyone he’s suss on?
We've talked about it a bit both before and after the post. As others have pointed out, we both TR Math and mastina to some degree, both now and before you made that post.In post 1780, professotic wrote:Actually my comment about the Math/Mastina read thing might not completely hold.
Since Greeting’s was the one who said they TR Mastina higher and not Aisa.
However, even so I think they should have had a similar read in that regard or have talked about it?
Also, sorry, I noticed you explained this when you placed your vote.In post 1893, Bunnyonce wrote:If you think we are scum with mastina then what's the point of making a counterwagon to mastina by voting us?In post 1773, professotic wrote:The one CW I would not oppose to is a Bunny CW.
I think they are aligned with Mastina and this last post from them feels like something where I feel is more likely to come from a wolf then town.
“Oh you know pings”
Cause man trust me when I’m a wolf I’ll do stuff like “I’m conflicted”
“If I had to guess probably them” or make like random solves or theories.
That post gives me a wolf making fake reads feel.