Datisi's Café [game over!]

[Lukewarm]

I genuinely have forgotten. Is there a reason Ausuka wouldn't have been a vig shot?

Vivax said he would not have a shot last night, but I guess he could have been lying.

I don't feel like he would have shot ausuka tho, given he was one of the people who voted Titus yesterday I would have expected his shot, if it happened, to have gone there

[Lukewarm]

This game is getting exciting, but also frustrating. I'm at a point where I think I have a broadly correct poe of Dannflor (it should be Dannflor not RC btw Datisi), Malakittens, Something Smart, maybe Titus/Ydrasse, but it's hard to get those votes going. Let's see if we can revive the S_S wagon.

VOTE: Something_Smart

Aha no reason though

Nice save.

Might have thought you were softing something if not for this post

[Lukewarm]

Preference remains RCE > Roden
Taking tinfoil on Ausuka & Titus for the legacy analysis from Luke (Ausuka being sassy semi-openscummer and Titus having a marked difference in characterizing Ircher's reason of absence from FG earlier on)

I mean, *maybe* he would shoot there.

Kinda unhappy if true

[Lukewarm]

Vivax said he would not have a shot last night, but I guess he could have been lying.

I don't feel like he would have shot ausuka tho, given he was one of the people who voted Titus yesterday I would have expected his shot, if it happened, to have gone there

He said "I have to holster tonight", but it's not clear whether that was a mechanical claim or a statement of best play. If it was a mechanical claim, it was a lie (or an error).

He also expressed concern about a roleblocker, so he presumably was not being totally open about his plans. Similarly, if he feared a scum doctor, he might not have shot the most obvious target.

My original reading was that his second shot was more then 100%, but on the flip that was wrong.

My second thought was he dropped down to 50% to try and stop the bonus kill. Have not looked at any numbers to see if it would make sense for them to get a bonus kill if he was running at 50%

[Lukewarm]

Have not looked at any numbers to see if it would make sense for them to get a bonus kill if he was running at 50%

Or conversely if it make sense for them to only get 1 kill if he was running at 0%

[Lukewarm]

I intend to spend most of my time trying to figure out whether Titus makes sense as an execution here, because odds are that they’ll face immense pressure (way too many votes have piled on there both yesterday and today, and there’s been a lot of discussion about the slot).

Is "way too many votes have piled there yesterday" really a concern you have?

Out of 17 living players, 6 players voted there at any point yesterday

Half of those have flipped town

Players who voted for Titus:
Fireisredsir
Lukewarm

Ausuka

Dannflor

Roden

Player who voted for Both:

Vivax

[Lukewarm]

I intend to spend most of my time trying to figure out whether Titus makes sense as an execution here, because odds are that they’ll face immense pressure (way too many votes have piled on there both yesterday and today, and there’s been a lot of discussion about the slot).

Is "way too many votes have piled there yesterday" really a concern you have?

Out of 17 living players, 6 players voted there at any point yesterday

Half of those have flipped town

Players who voted for Titus:
Fireisredsir
Lukewarm

Ausuka

Dannflor

Roden

Player who voted for Both:

Vivax

You’re misreading my post but whatever.

Ah.

I think I see the other way to read your post now. My bad

[Lukewarm]

"way too many votes have piled on there [for her to not be pressured again today]" i think

Yeah, I got it on the second read

[Lukewarm]

So I'll personally just lock mastina scum and advise town to listen to Luke. Who for some reason isn't already being listened to. Seems familiar, but 5head enough to be paranoid about, so it's excusable for a while. But this is just Luke town imo and has more clue than anyone else.

Ah yes, the man I needed to fear kill

[Lukewarm]

Vivax also TRed me.

Vivax is the scum kill which makes no sense from me.

It's Luke.

Even if he had you hard townlocked (he didn't), it is silly to act like you would not kill him as scum because there are 3 scum alive. So unless you want to argue he townlocked you and anyone you could hypothetically be partnered with, this is ridiculous.

(Which, btw, if I was scum I probably still would have killed him after his read changed around on me for this reason, so I am not saying his kill clears me in anyways - just silly to act like I in particular needed to kill him)

[Lukewarm]

Vivax also TRed me.

Vivax is the scum kill which makes no sense from me.

It's Luke.

You really think you would have no reason to kill a town vig as scum?

Yes. Vivax is an extra scum kill from scum Titus perspective.

This would require you to confidently know where he was gonna shoot. Please show me where you gained that confidence. Thanks

[Lukewarm]

@ydra, can you ask the mod:

if you target a player and they are added to a pt the same night (but did not start the night in a pt) what result would you get?

[Lukewarm]

@titus

How much are you claiming your ability cost?

[Lukewarm]

@titus

How much are you claiming your ability cost?

This is an important question, and not just a "let's get a full claim" question btw

[Lukewarm]

@titus

How much are you claiming your ability cost?

150% then 350.

I always register as having a PT.

This passed the gotcha part of my question. Carry on

[Lukewarm]

In case I died. I am loyal.

so what would stop mastina from claiming it succeeded if you died

I flio with the fact I die if I target scum.

Okay. But let's say she is scum, you target her, and you die in addition to vivan and ausuka here.

Couldnt she claims it succeeded, and that vivax shot you?

[Lukewarm]

Remember when I said that there would be a big huge reveal on D4?

...I lied.

Ngl, I assumed that if you were actually town it would be a day 3 reveal not a day 4.

So much drama today

[Lukewarm]

if it succeeded then why did ydra get a result that titus doesn't have a PT?

I didn't have it yet. I should soon.

... you get it during the day?

Yes. It's conditional on no one visiting mastina last night. So either a) someone visited her or b) I am waiting on mod delay.

If your ability has a built in failure state, why would you claim you definitely have a partner ?

I am a masonizer. I am keeping my partner hidden but you might solve it by my posts.

[Lukewarm]

MASTINA ARE YOU IN A HOOD WITH TITUS

It's not up yet.

The mod is on answering Ydra's questions.

Have you gotten an answer from him about your hood? Have you asked?

[Lukewarm]

If your target is scum AND your target is targeted by someone else, does your ability still kill you?

[Lukewarm]

@titus

How much are you claiming your ability cost?

150% then 350.

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I always register as having a PT.

[/size]
Is this claiming that you started the game in a pt with just you in it?

[Lukewarm]

Hi y'all, I'm gonna be fully transparent with this:

I am setting my productivity to 0% today.

You may call that anti-town as much as you want; you can consider it suspicious as much as you want. Which is fair. The scum extra kill mechanism is ludicrously strong and I am fully aware of the risks.

But I have very strong reasons for doing so. I promise that by D4, you'll know why.
I won't go 0% more than once.

But for ~reasons~ I need to go 0% today. Let's just say I'll become a scumhunting GOD.

Full transparency, part 2/3:

I am setting my productivity to 50% today.
On D3, I will be setting my productivity to 75%.
On D4, I will go to 100% and fully explain why I have done what I am doing.

I have a plan. I legit think that I can break the game with this and I promise that I will explain everything on D4 and explain why I have done what I am doing.

It'll all make sense then, and the scum won't know what hit them.

Remember when I said that there would be a big huge reveal on D4?

...I lied.

PARTIAL CLAIM: I am an investigative role and I have a result indicating fireisredsir is scum.

VOTE: fireisredsir

I'm not claiming what the result is until

after

fireisredsir claims here.

I'll be fullclaiming once fire has been locked into a claim.

LOL no you don't, hard counterclaim

im a reddit moderator, i can check if someone carried out a night action. i used it on mastina both nights and both nights she did not carry out an action. i just triple checked my results to make sure

25% + 5% each use

VOTE: mastina

For reference someone claiming to have targeted mastina the night Titus complex claim did, and if real would ha e caused it to fail

[Lukewarm]

UNVOTE:

Want to sort through the Titus/mastina/fire stuff when I am not limited to phone posting (and hopefully after mastina has claimed)

[Lukewarm]

.

I always register as having a PT.

@titus

Why did you say this?

Did you start in a pt alone?

[Lukewarm]

im a reddit moderator, i can check if someone carried out a night action. i used it on mastina both nights and both nights she did not carry out an action. i just triple checked my results to make sure

25% + 5% each use

[Lukewarm]

if titus had a pt i would be aware of it and be able to join it

I didn't actually have one. I just count as having one. Basically, I was a miller for Ydrasse and didn't know it.

Counters my ability to possibly clear 2 people.

That would not make you a Miller to ydra. At least not her results. Just the way you claimed it

It would potentially you a Miller you peta tho

[Lukewarm]

So Titus is claiming she has a role that failed, so nothing happened, but she fumbled 3 times trying to get that out there before landing solidly.

And it appeared to shift as we learned more about the exact way ydras ability worked.

Kinda sad we likely have to kill inside fire/mastina before we can kill her.

[Lukewarm]

Also claim your damn flavor

Not until after I see fireisredsir fullclaim.

He did

[Lukewarm]

im a reddit moderator, i can check if someone carried out a night action. i used it on mastina both nights and both nights she did not carry out an action. i just triple checked my results to make sure

25% + 5% each use

[Lukewarm]

So Titus is claiming she has a role that failed, so nothing happened, but she fumbled 3 times trying to get that out there before landing solidly.

And it appeared to shift as we learned more about the exact way ydras ability worked.

Kinda sad we likely have to kill inside fire/mastina before we can kill her.

You're just desperate to kill me because I know you're scum.

Yes. So desperate you just quoted a post where I said I doubt I am trying to kill you today

[Lukewarm]

.........

[Lukewarm]

Btw just so we’re clear - Titus always dies today. It’s fine if we all want to express a view on mastina and fireisredsir, but we’re not executing between them first. That would be ridiculous.

When mastina was claiming to have a result and fire was claiming to have an investigation result saying she did not act, we were going kill between them.

But mastina just walked that back

VOTE: titus

[Lukewarm]

scum had no reason to roleblock me

who would you have expected them to roleblock?

With the way mastina carried on about day 4, if I were scum she I would have insisted on either killing or roleblocking her by day 4.

If she is town, a roleblock on her makes a lot of sense actually.

I actually doubt that she, if scum, would have done no actions 2 nights in a row in a game with no multitasking, right?

Like if she is a scum pr, she acts. If she is a goon, she does the kills.

Unless the scum team is actually irchers role + 2 goons + 1 lol

[Lukewarm]

scum had no reason to roleblock me

who would you have expected them to roleblock?

With the way mastina carried on about day 4, if I were scum she I would have insisted on either killing or roleblocking her by day 4.

If she is town, a roleblock on her makes a lot of sense actually.

I actually doubt that she, if scum, would have done no actions 2 nights in a row in a game with no multitasking, right?

Like if she is a scum pr, she acts. If she is a goon, she does the kills.

Unless the scum team is actually irchers role + 2 goons + 1 lol

I think this leads me to a

Town!fire -> town!mastina conclusion

Scum!fire -> town mastina conclusion

Which is not what I expected tbh

[Lukewarm]

Yeah I think it’s somewhat likely mastina could be town and also lying here

Dann/Titus/mastina lol

Please outline the scenario where mastina is scum, and fire it town, and got these results in a game with no multitasking

im a reddit moderator, i can check if someone carried out a night action. i used it on mastina both nights and both nights she did not carry out an action.

[Lukewarm]

my bet is actually that scum have a watcher or something and she originally claimed to bait PRs to target her, and when they got a watcher result that i visited, and i started the day saying she was scum, she suspected i had some sort of guilty and tried to get out in front of it

huh.

this is actually a reasonable answer.

But that makes the scum team goon + goon + watcher + Ircher's fairly useless role, which feels wrong.

[Lukewarm]

And scum aren't going to have an ungated roleblocker.

Hey mastina, if you want us to adjust our takes based on this claim, I think its time for you to explain the claim.

[Lukewarm]

my bet is actually that scum have a watcher or something and she originally claimed to bait PRs to target her, and when they got a watcher result that i visited, and i started the day saying she was scum, she suspected i had some sort of guilty and tried to get out in front of it

huh.

this is actually a reasonable answer.

But that makes the scum team goon + goon + watcher + Ircher's fairly useless role, which feels wrong.

why are there two goons?

in your scenario:
Mastina did nothing.
Someone did the kill

That someone is then also a goon, or has a role so useless they decided not to use it in order to set up this gambit.

[Lukewarm]

Yes, but fire's claim seems awfully like he knew I couldn't have a role result on him and that he is making up a roleclaim to justify that--why target me twice especially when I didn't visit N1? When I said the reveal would be on D4? I made it clear I wasn't acting until N3-at-earliest, and the proof that I wasn't acting would be found in a genuine N1 result on me.

Based on his vote to kill you towards the end of the day, I think that the easiest answer is that he thought you were scum and was trying to catch you in a lie.

[Lukewarm]

players are not able to multitask unless otherwise specified, with one exception: if a non-town player has the ability to use more than one kill in the same night, the same player may carry out more than one kill.

@Fire

[Lukewarm]

I had claimed the reveal would be on D4, not D3.

mastina, I will say this again. Based on your play, I predicted that if you were town the reveal would actually be day 3, because announcing day 4 and it actually being day 4 feels like a pretty silly move for you to make.

So, solving from the mindset that scum would not have seen through your lie there is kinda silly since they would have had 4 minds responding to your opening post, and at least 1 of them could have easily come to the same conclusion that I did.

[Lukewarm]

what i miss about multitasking

isn’t it just one mafia shoot gun many times

which ever mafia goes pew pew, cannot do any other action.

no multitasking except multi blasting

[Lukewarm]

I confused on the significance of this

Fire and klick (and maybe others, idk) said they thought that mastina was scum that did zero actions night 1 and night 2.

which seems unlikely in a game with no multitasking because would require her to do nothing and someone else to do the kill, so 2 goons with no actions + ircher's role feels unlikely to me.

[Lukewarm]

Vivax
furtiveglance
Dannflor

fireisredsir
Ausuka
Roden
Andresvmb

Ydrasse

---

Uncrowned
jjh927
PenguinPower
Malakittens
Klick
Something_Smart

---

mastina

Titus

Strongest thoughts of the day:

Ydra and mastina up in my reads for the way their claims played out.

Mala also up (is based on the preflip of Titus)

Not a fan of Klick and Fire's reaction to Mastina's full claim, and both fell down. Klick probably more so then fire. lean scum klick, fire down to null feels about right. (I buy Titus's sudden scum read on Klick as her attempt to distance before she goes down, although her comments on klick have little to do with my shift there)


I feel like a reread of today will be needed for the middle crowd, was moving fast and was on my phone until just now. The middle crowd is largely people I ahve had no real thoughts on their alignment, and I feel like there are things to give me thoughts today from some of them.

[Lukewarm]

mastina is the one who altered her claim after hearing my results

I made no alterations.

You did alter your claim today.

PARTIAL CLAIM: I am an investigative role and I have a result indicating fireisredsir is scum.

Last night, I targeted fireisredsir, but my N2 Cop Result was My Action Failed; I got not result.

I know you are already firing up your keyboard to say "BUT TECHNICALLY those are the same, because in the second one I said my RESULT was that my action failed"

But I really don't care about that technicality, because the information that you presented to the thread altered. From "I have a result implicating fire" to "my action failed, which I believe implicates fire"

So, in your head feel free to believe it did not alter. But from anyone elses pov it did.

[Lukewarm]

scum would have reason to believe they'd be wasting their roleblock on me.

*screams into the void*

[Lukewarm]

But you know what a town tracker would want to do with their role?

TRACK THE SCUM WHO HAVE MULTIKILLS.

Mastina. That is not Fire's claim.

his claim is that if he targetted the scum who did the night kill, his only result would have been : Your target did an action last night

And he would have no way to know if it was a town pr, scum pr, or 3 night kills.

[Lukewarm]

I mean I think it's possible scum could miss that too ?

Miss what? That their roles don't cost %?

I mean I think it's possible to miss that that is a mod confirmed piece of information as scum

There is a flipped scum lol

[Lukewarm]

what i miss about multitasking
isn’t it just one mafia shoot gun many times

which ever mafia goes pew pew, cannot do any other action.
no multitasking except multi blasting

And you think a town tracker wouldn't try to catch the scum going pew pew multiblasting?

reread.

his.

claim.

please.

[Lukewarm]

Plus, her read on me feels like TMI, since she clearly thinks she knows something about my role and I don't see how she can be that confident about it (even if she is right).

For the exact same reason I know jjh is town and knew Ircher was scum and know Roden is scum.

So, yes, it is a form of TMI, but in this case originating from town. The town who have paid attention that are in the know, are in the know and basically are a gigantic masonry as far as I'm concerned. {Vivax, jjh, Something_Smart, PenguinPower} is a pool which never contains scum if I'm right, here.

jjh probably knows what I know. He may or may not agree, mind you, but he probably sees what I am seeing at least.

You and PenguinPower, if I am right, might be able to figure it out, too. But obviously, the less said, the better, because I don't want to give anything away which would let scum infiltrate the holy masonry.

mastina can you explain this yet? especially since you were wrong about Roden

Oh do you really want me to?

If you insist.

You're scum or a PR, period.

There's no way you're a VT in this game and if you claim VT I'm instavoting you.

Vivax has been fired night 2. he was a

law student

, aligned with

café's employees

.

Spoiler: role pm

law student

welcome,

Vivax

! you are a

law student

, aligned with

café's employees

!

originally, you thought this job was just going to help you pay the bills. it soon turned out, however, that your knowledge can be used for finding ways to get people fired.

day abilities:

during each day, you may choose how productive you're going to be at work that day, ranging from 0% to 100%. if you do not submit anything, you will default to 100% productivity. for a complete explanation of this mechanic, please read the setup post, located here.

night abilities:

vigilante [cost: 90%; +10% for each additional usage]

- during the night, target a player to attempt to get them fired.

win condition:

you win once all threats to

café's employees

have been fired, and at least one member of

café's employees

is still in the game.

the main thread is here. please confirm by replying to this pm with your role name.

Ausuka has been fired night 2. she was a

vanilla waiter

, aligned with

café's employees

.

Spoiler: role pm

vanilla waiter

welcome,

Ausuka

! you are a

vanilla waiter

, aligned with

café's employees

!

this job sucks, but it beats being homeless.

day abilities:

during each day, you may choose how productive you're going to be at work that day, ranging from 0% to 100%. if you do not submit anything, you will default to 100% productivity. for a complete explanation of this mechanic, please read the setup post, located here.

night abilities:

n/a

win condition:

you win once all threats to

café's employees

have been fired, and at least one member of

café's employees

is still in the game.

the main thread is here. please confirm by replying to this pm with your role name.

the sun rises, it is now day three.

Lol

[Lukewarm]

I have returned, it seems that Titus is neither clear nor outted, right? Or are they outted?

Neither clear nor outed but the same people parking me from yesterday are parking me today.

Wait.

Maybe I misread her post

[Lukewarm]

I retract

[Lukewarm]

No

I retract post 2641

[Lukewarm]

I don't know how or why 2642 has that quote on it.

It was referencing back to 2641, and now I see why that was not clear with the surprise quote

[Lukewarm]

i have a role where i can check to see if people have pts(EXCEPT THE MAFIA PT) and join them if they do

titus doesn’t have any pts

I am waiting for the mod. Technically accurate. I had a conditional action to masonize mastina if no one visited her. It resolves last in nar.

Wait I thought you were already masons. Didn't you say we could tell your partner from logs earlier, which implies you already had a mason partner?

I crumbed her as my target.

Is this something people do/would do/have seen done? I don't see the point of crumbing a mason target.

The part of her claim that would make that make any sense would be the Loyal modifier.

If you have the loyal modifier, crumbing who you will be targeting is pretty standard

But she did not actually claim to be loyal when she was told to claim, she claimed it after people asked her why she crumbed her target.

[Lukewarm]

Timeline of Titus's claim, and it shifting to fit the result on her.

Ydra "softs" having a guilty on Titus, and heavily implies she is a Traffic Analyst that got a result that Titus is in a hood.

Spoiler:

did titus ever claim a pt because. Um . well

titus should claim if she has a neighborhood when she’s around

We get the Original Titus Claim:

-She is a Masonizer
-She has a partner
-She crumbed who it would be
-Is totally in a PT

Spoiler:

I am a masonizer. I am keeping my partner hidden but you might solve it by my posts.

Ydra reveals that it was a TRICK, and that her role actually told her that she was not in a PT!

Spoiler:

i have a role where i can check to see if people have pts(EXCEPT THE MAFIA PT) and join them if they do

titus doesn’t have any pts

Titus then says: whoopsie daisy, maybe I don't actually have a PT, because my role actually can Totally fail sometimes.

oopsie, forgot to mention that when I claimed.

Or, as my second defense maybe my role resolved after Ydras.

Spoiler:

i have a role where i can check to see if people have pts(EXCEPT THE MAFIA PT) and join them if they do

titus doesn’t have any pts

I am waiting for the mod. Technically accurate. I had a conditional action to masonize mastina if no one visited her. It resolves last in nar.

Furtive and myself (maybe others who knows) ask why she original claimed she had a partner who she was hiding, if she knew from her role pm that failure was an option for her role, and there was also a lack of PT.

Titus responds that really she just meant that she crumbed her Target, not her Currently Confirmed Mason Partner. *Totally Normal Mafia Things*

Spoiler:

i have a role where i can check to see if people have pts(EXCEPT THE MAFIA PT) and join them if they do

titus doesn’t have any pts

I am waiting for the mod. Technically accurate. I had a conditional action to masonize mastina if no one visited her. It resolves last in nar.

Wait I thought you were already masons. Didn't you say we could tell your partner from logs earlier, which implies you already had a mason partner?

I crumbed her as my target.

(I lied, that is not a totally normal mafia thing )

Then a few people ask her why she would crumb as a masonizor

And her response was that because she is Loyal --

oopsie, forgot to mention that when I claimed.

Spoiler:

I crumbed her as my target.

Why would you crumb a target for that role

maybe it was supposed to be another claim originally

In case I died. I am loyal.

------

But here is the thing.

Her "conditional" part of her ability is a plausible way out of this situation if she is a scum who role blocked Mastina, and knew mastina was getting ready to reveal that she was roleblocked

This makes this series of posts make way more sense btw -- She was not waiting for the mod to tell her if her ability worked. She was waiting for mastina to tell us that she had been roleblocked, so she can be like "OHHHHH, THATS WHY WE DID NOT GET A PT"

Spoiler:

if it succeeded then why did ydra get a result that titus doesn't have a PT?

I didn't have it yet. I should soon.

if it succeeded then why did ydra get a result that titus doesn't have a PT?

I didn't have it yet. I should soon.

... you get it during the day?

Yes. It's conditional on no one visiting mastina last night. So either a) someone visited her or b) I am waiting on mod delay.

Did Datisi confirm to you that your action succeeded or failed?

Datisi can't tell me that. I only see the PT or not. When I see the next PT, I'll know if it passed or failed by then. If no PT, failed.

If he's on mobile I can see him having trouble adding to PT's right away, even if he can answer questions. But he should be able to tell Titus the action succeeded.

No. I could have "succeeded" but no pt be made because of my conditions. Datisi cannot tell me.

No. I could have "succeeded" but no pt be made because of my conditions. Datisi cannot tell me.

Oh I was assuming that would be considered failure. Ask him if he's going to make you a PT, he should be able to tell you that at least.

Fair. I'll do that.

[quote="In

Because,

"The mod said I get a PT if my ability succeeded, I don't get a PT if it fails, the day started, but I didn't get a PT, and i still started posting today under the assumption that it succeeded, but also the mod didn't/can't/won't tell me if my ability succeeded or not, and so I am just *waiting* -- indefinitely I guess -- for the mod to just open up the PT (because again, the only out come I am considering currently is that the mod must be too busy to open the PT for my ability that totally succeeded, and not ruminating on the fact that apparently my ability failed)"

Makes no god damn sense.

[Lukewarm]

I had fun writing that, and I hope everyone chuckles to themselves as they read it, and then vote for Titus.

Thank you, and your welcome.

[Lukewarm]

i have a role where i can check to see if people have pts(EXCEPT THE MAFIA PT) and join them if they do

titus doesn’t have any pts

I am waiting for the mod. Technically accurate. I had a conditional action to masonize mastina if no one visited her. It resolves last in nar.

Wait I thought you were already masons. Didn't you say we could tell your partner from logs earlier, which implies you already had a mason partner?

I crumbed her as my target.

Is this something people do/would do/have seen done? I don't see the point of crumbing a mason target.

The part of her claim that would make that make any sense would be the Loyal modifier.

If you have the loyal modifier, crumbing who you will be targeting is pretty standard

But she did not actually claim to be loyal when she was told to claim, she claimed it after people asked her why she crumbed her target.

What does loyal mean? And ascetic?

Sorry I meant Weak, both here, and in my long post.

Weak means you die if you target mafia.
Loyal means you fail if you target mafia

Ascetic means all abilities that target your fail.

But also, the wiki is your friend:

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Weak

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Ascetic

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[Lukewarm]

my vote is on titus in spirit but i don't wanna anger the jjh gods.

Would it change your mind to know that I tried out, not 1, not 2, not 3, but FOUR different colors for my "oopsie, forgot to mention that when I claimed." before I settled on orange?

[Lukewarm]

I have returned, it seems that Titus is neither clear nor outted, right? Or are they outted?

Neither clear nor outed but the same people parking me from yesterday are parking me today.

This is fairly unrelated, but I laughed out loud at the way Titus said this with a straight face, and then quote a vote count where 3 of her 5 voters are dead townies.

Spoiler:

vote count 2.11

with 17 votes in play, it takes 9 to make a decision. day 2 ends in (expired on 2022-10-04 01:00:00).

firing

Roden [7]:

mastina, Andresvmb, Malakittens, Ydrasse, Titus, Uncrowned, PenguinPower

Titus [5]:

Roden, Lukewarm, Ausuka, Dannflor, Vivax

Malakittens [1]:

furtiveglance

Dannflor [1]:

fireisredsir

not voting [3]:

jjh927, Something_Smart, Klick

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[Lukewarm]

possibly - what were the other three colors?

I started with

pink

, because it matched the

tone of voice

I used in my head when I typed it, but thought it was hard to read.

Then I tried out

green

because I knew it would be legible, but then decided against it because green=town and that is not the vibe

Then I tried

blue

, just because I was annoyed that my first two attempts were flops, but then still did not like the look.

[Lukewarm]

Everybody's a critic

But I'll ignore it since it came with a vote

<3

[Lukewarm]

(I thought orange was close to that pink tone of voice )

[Lukewarm]

So why am I so adamant that it's doubtful that I was roleblocked?

...Because:
LAST NIGHT, THE SCUM KNEW THAT TOWN PRODUCTIVITY DROPPED BELOW 75%.

Mastina, fire might be scum [ I am even warming to Dann's Titus/Klick/Fire solve ]

But your set up spec on why it is confuses me. Probably in part because of how long it all is x.x

This whole post here revolves around scum knowing we dropped below 75%, but what if we didn't and that was actually an vig kill + 1 scum kill?

And I still disagree about your assertion that you could never have been role block. Scum with a 1 shot role cop and a 2 shot role blocker (+maybe goon) does not seem wildly imbalanced to me, and it makes perfect sense to me that those abilities would have both ended up on you.

Your opening post = scum want to role cop you.

The result (and upon seeing your percentage reqs) = knowing exactly when to role block you.

And since they knew that myself and a few others were suspicious of you, they decide to take the route of letting you fail, and land back in the miselim pool.


You are making so many wall posts, and none of what you are saying makes me feel like the above world could never have happened.


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And furthermore, the way Titus danced around the PT thing, I think that that is actually likely to have occurred based on my interpretation of what Titus was actually doing.

Her "conditional" part of her ability is a plausible way out of this situation if she is a scum who role blocked Mastina, and knew mastina was getting ready to reveal that she was roleblocked

This makes this series of posts make way more sense btw -- She was not waiting for the mod to tell her if her ability worked. She was waiting for mastina to tell us that she had been roleblocked, so she can be like "OHHHHH, THATS WHY WE DID NOT GET A PT"

This requires that she both knew fairly confidently that you were firing last night (not night 3), and that your role would tell you that you were roleblocked in someway.

So scum rolecop -> scum roleblock fits with what I felt like Titus was doing here

[Lukewarm]

As for Vivax, if they simply believed him that he could not fire night 2 because his ability was too expensive on the next fire, then they don't think that they need to role block him.

But they do think that they need to kill him so he does not get to night 3.

[Lukewarm]

I am a masonizer. I am keeping my partner hidden

No you're not

VOTE: Titus

@klick, why did you say this?

You seem to be making a statement that is disconnected from what Ydra was saying

[Lukewarm]

So Titus does not say her partner is Mastina by name until AFTER ydra reveals that it was a trick, and she should not actually have a PT, and she is needing to walk her original claim back.

I am a masonizer. I am keeping my partner hidden but

you might solve it by my posts.

Vivax obviously scum kill to protect Luke. Aausuka vigged by Vivax.

VOTE: Lukewarm

"You might solve it by my posts" does not feel like she is saying "I made it super hella obvious who I am masons with"

My pet theory

is that she was not originally going to claim mastina, because "I claim masons with town player I am not masons with" is not actually a very good strat lol.

My pet theory part 2, electric boogaloo

is that it was originally going to be claimed to be Klick.

Spoiler:

Here is every post Klick makes to talk about Titus Day 2 (there is one)

[spoi/ler=]

Titus isn't scum

[/spo/iler]

And here is every post where Titus responds to Klick Day 2 (there is one // there were zero talking ABOUT him, but there is one that is a direct quote response)

[sp/oiler=]

furtiveglance
Vivax
PenguinPower
fireisredsir
Malakittens
Ausuka
Andresvmb
Uncrowned
Titus

Lukewarm
Ydrasse
mastina
jjh927
Something_Smart

Roden
Dannflor

I can work with this.

It's not perfect but fine for today but I'm never voting mastina unless something drastic changes.

SS Roden Dannfloor jjh are all people who I would vote, the latter two with some reluctance as they could town it up with time.

[/sp/oiler]

These look more like crumbs that you "might work out" looking in their isos, but are not designed to look like they are smacking you over the head with it.

I think that if they had pointed back to these two posts, and said look, this is all we said about one another for all of Day 2 to leave as crumbs "Titus can work with Klick" and "Klick knows that Titus isn't scum" I think I would have bought those are a planned crumb that was not trying to look hella obvious (which is the point of a CRUMB)

If you would like a comparison from day 2 -> day 3, here you go

First post from Klick that mentions Titus comes after the ydra soft, the titus claim, and the ydra dramatic reveal (meaning they would already know they cannot claim together)

First post from Titus that mentions Klick also comes the ydra dramatic reveal.

[spoi/ler=]

Yeah I think it’s somewhat likely mastina could be town and also lying here

Dann/Titus/mastina lol

Klick is scum. Should have realized he was different than the Nashville game but I attributed that to being town this time.

Klick/Luke plus 1.

[/spo/iler]

[spoil/er=]

I am a masonizer. I am keeping my partner hidden

No you're not

VOTE: Titus

Wait is she claiming to have targeted mastina or not
The fact that this isn't extremely clear is Not Good

Well this looks like a ridiculous mess to walk into

Titus, fullclaim all the aspects of your role in one post rather than splitting it up

THIS

[/sp/oiler]


The harsh swap in way of talking about one another from their only "interactions" day 2, to the way both of them are talking about the other day 3 feels off. More so with Titus obviously, because Klick does have the easy alternative of : he saw what Titus did today

But this is a question for another day.

Editor's note: I hate that imbeded spoilers don't work :/

[Lukewarm]

My Pet Theory part 3, the threequel:

I think that the original claim was going to be that it fired night 1 (which is why there is the fumble from I have a Partner, to I might have a partner).

(also, if you go through and do a control+f search for every player's name, looking for comments from day 2, really the only options that cannot be pretty easily discredited are Klick and Mastina)

[Lukewarm]

Not Ydrasse cause guilty result

Spoiler: Not SS, Dann, or JJH

furtiveglance
Vivax
PenguinPower
fireisredsir
Malakittens
Ausuka
Andresvmb
Uncrowned
Titus

Lukewarm
Ydrasse
mastina
jjh927
Something_Smart

Roden
Dannflor

I can work with this. It's not perfect but fine for today but I'm never voting mastina unless something drastic changes.

SS Roden Dannfloor jjh

are all people who I would vote, the latter two with some reluctance as they could town it up with time.

Spoiler: Not me or fire

firing

Roden [5]:

mastina, Andresvmb, Klick, Ausuka, Uncrowned

Titus [3]:

Roden, fireisredsir, Lukewarm

The Titus wagon sticks out to me for its constituents

Oh yeah that wagon is scummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Like, is literally my three scumreads, scum.

I wonder why?

Could it perhaps be that they know they're fucked if they lose Roden and they're hoping that they can push a wagon through on Titus?

That's where I am at, but I doubt all 3 are scum.

I'd be flabbergasted if both Roden and SS were town.

Spoiler: Not Mala

VOTE: titus

i got u lukewarm bby

Spoiler: Not andres

Okay, if Roden is Town, I would say… {Titus, RCEnigma, Uncrowned} for Scum maybe?

Not PenguinPower or Uncrowned because of Lack of Comments, there for lack of "maybe you can figure it out"

Going through this again, I realized that I did not actually check for Furtive. And I guess there is nothing ruling him out in the same way. definitively, and acually some stuff that I could see being it. But he has Titus in his PoE here, so probably the softest remove:

Spoiler: Furtive

I think I have a broadly correct poe of Dannflor (it should be Dannflor not RC btw Datisi), Malakittens, Something Smart, maybe Titus/Ydrasse,

So that leaves:
mastina
Klick

[Lukewarm]

Hmm.

I was starting from the question of why she would ever claim mastina, saw she didnt at first, then went to "who was she planning to claim?"

But I guess another reasonable answer is that she intended to never say anyone.

So much wasted work x.x

[Lukewarm]

If fireisredsir was rolestopped or is acetic, fire should have seen mastina act. ( fire being rolestopped or acetic is a scum!fire world)

If mastina was roleblocked, fire should Not have seen mastina act.

So the only requirement for both claims to co-exist and both be town is for mastina to be roleblocked.

[Lukewarm]

Like, from your POV right now, is Fire a mafia ascetic tracker? You're making multiple leaps of logic at the same time and I don't think you can feasibly jump that far

That or a mafia tracker with a separate scum rolestopper.

Like I think this almost for sure is wrong.

Her ascetic tracker claim also has the built in assumption that he is lying about getting a No Action result on her.

[Lukewarm]

Just to play devils advocate (because I personally believe that mastina was roleblocked even if fire is scum) all it takes for mastina's thing to be true is:

Fire is ascetic.
and
Scum tracked mastina to fire OR scum just trusted that mastina failed the moment she said she had a result on fire

When you cut out 95% of the words mastina used to world build around it, I don't think it is a completely wild world to believe in

It also follows through from her previously stated belief day 2 that scum would never have a roleblocker in this game, therefore her failing = ascetic.

[Lukewarm]

i gotta get my master strategist scummy back with this one

The heavy handed hinting at being a traffic analyst

Into your gotcha was a pretty amazing use of your role, ngl.

Much impressed

[Lukewarm]

i carry gg

Ydra carry!

[Lukewarm]

were scum not given fake claims?

Both the scum team and the 3p got fake flavor claims. It was the informed part of furtive and mala's roles

[Lukewarm]

Subject: Datisi's Café VOICE OF MOD:

n3 actions:

uncrowned is neighbourizing dannflor
ydrasse is personally pt copping uncrowned
klick is motivating lukewarm
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fireisredsir is killing lukewarm
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furtiveglance is killing lukewarm

Man, there was a party at my place night 3 lmao