LOST (Game Over)

[Taly]

I can't say Taly needs me here.

Sol

do you even like mafia

[Taly]

I can't say Taly needs me here.

Sol

do you even like mafia

Not when you need to shower instead.

Sol

[Taly]

I can't say Taly needs me here.

Sol

do you even like mafia

Not when you need to shower instead.

Sol

[Taly]

pooky

darling please

all you need to do is cast a vote

everything else is a fight for another day

[Taly]

POOKYTHEMAGICALBEAR

[Taly]

bro i need to shower if you feel this strongly just switch to voting

ceph

[Taly]

*deep breath*
Okay I get the anger. Sort of.

I'm just going to push for Taly's death now if nothing has changed.


Can we please eliminate Taly thank you.

No, we will not eliminate obvious town.

You'll cope. You've probably compromised worse on less important things.

Bell

I've posted 8 times in the PT since your last post...

[Taly]

8 Taly (Dunnstral, Cephrir, Frogsterking, Klick, MalcolmTucker, RCEnigma, Roden, Bell)
8 Cephrir (ProfessorDrapion, JohnnyFarrar, Taly, Off the Hook, T-Bone, Lukewarm, PookyTheMagicalBear, Rad)

I think it's right here now.

[Taly]

*deep breath*
Okay I get the anger. Sort of.

I'm just going to push for Taly's death now if nothing has changed.


Can we please eliminate Taly thank you.

No, we will not eliminate obvious town.

You'll cope. You've probably compromised worse on less important things.

Bell

I've posted 8 times in the PT since your last post...

9

[Taly]

What 180 on Taly?

Btw I tested positive for covid so I likely won’t be active very much

v/la until sometime

I probably will make the posting once or twice a day but effort is hard

sorry to hear please rest as much as you can.

[Taly]

Hey Taly do you think it’s possible Bell is wolf from your neighbour PT?

yo one battle at a time... im solving for that at the moment.

[Taly]

I've spent waaaaay too much time paying attention to this game, please just vote

ceph

or I.

I genuinely believe this is a scum hit.

[Taly]

Votes please.

[Taly]

9 Cephrir (ProfessorDrapion, JohnnyFarrar, Taly, Off the Hook, T-Bone, Lukewarm, PookyTheMagicalBear, Rad, Dancing Puppets)
8 Taly (Dunnstral, Cephrir, Frogsterking, Klick, MalcolmTucker, RCEnigma, Roden, Bell)

What 180 on Taly?

I thought you flipped your read on them, if I misunderstood you, please feel free to correct me on that.

I have no read

My top theory is she is scum but that’s a theory

back it up with a vote im tired of this fencesitting

[Taly]

10 Cephrir (ProfessorDrapion, JohnnyFarrar, Taly, Catch Scratch Fever, Off the Hook, T-Bone, Lukewarm, PookyTheMagicalBear, Rad, Dancing Puppets)
8 Taly (Dunnstral, Cephrir, Frogsterking, Klick, MalcolmTucker, RCEnigma, Roden, Bell)

thanks

[Taly]

The taly posts give me townvibes

I could kinda see scum ceph trying to save scum frog

VOTE: ceph

oh shit

11 Cephrir, actually.

Ceph is at L3

.

[Taly]

its 14 isnt it? so L-3?

[Taly]

I don't think this is T/T.

[Taly]

i have to sleep

goodnight all

<3

i wont be nearly as active from tomorrow to the rest of the weekend, so consider my latest posts as my final for the dayphase unless im specifically asked for.

[Taly]

i shouldve been in bed 30 minutes ago so im not doing a huge post here

needless to say, my reads have been wrong at every point so far, so im confident that im being misted somewhere.

it's very likely scum were on both sides of the gladiate, and i wonder if

ceph

was the elimination due to having better reads outside of his push onto me.

rad/pooky/dp/csf/luke

are townreads, many others are leans, majority in the PoE.

>

Johnny

I haven't heard a thing from you during the gladiate other than me being town, I'm going to need some convincing to believe that read at the moment.
>

Math

, why did you spend a whole back-and-forth trying to gauge for justification to vote

ceph

and then pivot back to me when

Luke

gave reasoning?
>

RCE

you were very similar in the regard of changing votes off little provocation, I want you to justify your votes.
>

Gamma

, remind me why you chose to push

Bell

!scum when it wasn't an opportunity? What happened to that read in light of

Enchant

!scum?
>

Pooky

, what is your read on

T-Bone

?
>

Drap

, walk me through that wolf PoE.
>

Bella

, I don't remember a thing from your posts, what are your reads?
>

Roden/Dwlee

, have you guys had the chance to interact with each other much?
>

Titus

, are you feeling better? How would you read the VCA of

Taly V Ceph

? I'm also failing to see the connection of

BBT

-scum, but my brain is tired at the moment.
>

T-Bone

, why do a gloat post when 3 town are dead?
>

Mislim Bait

, where are you at with the catch-up? Do you need any help in following this hell of a game thread?

VOTE: Mathblade

vote's best served here,

frogs

was my other strongest scumread.

luke

sharing that feels like a genuine mindmeld. this makes the most sense.

[Taly]

bell

i demand your affection bloating our PT simply wasn't enough

[Taly]

Let's lim Mislim Bait just for funnies.

unproductive, choose someone else

[Taly]

My gut is that this makes the Professor look a lot worse (especially since there is like zero reevaluations after a bunch of incorrect reads in flips), but also I doubt the Dunn kill is about them. I'm running with the assumption that Dunn was the factional kill and not Frog, otherwise the scumteam is playing 5D chess in which case good job.

@Taly because I said I would if Ceph/Frog flipped town. It's also a joke? What a weird thing to get hung up on. Sorry, I'm feeling relatively good because three of my town reads were correct, makes me feel like I have good read on the game after all, something among other things at the end of day 1, I was doubting.

oh im tonedeaf and sleepy oof

I was asking for a lot of things. I put my vote where I thought it should be.

I feel like I was the only one actually sorting while everyone else was yelling.

I owned stock at Waffle House

you had me as theoretical scum though and you voted

ceph

. where was the progression?

[Taly]

My gut is that this makes the Professor look a lot worse (especially since there is like zero reevaluations after a bunch of incorrect reads in flips), but also I doubt the Dunn kill is about them. I'm running with the assumption that Dunn was the factional kill and not Frog, otherwise the scumteam is playing 5D chess in which case good job.

@Taly because I said I would if Ceph/Frog flipped town. It's also a joke? What a weird thing to get hung up on. Sorry, I'm feeling relatively good because three of my town reads were correct, makes me feel like I have good read on the game after all, something among other things at the end of day 1, I was doubting.

oh im tonedeaf and sleepy oof

I was asking for a lot of things. I put my vote where I thought it should be.

I feel like I was the only one actually sorting while everyone else was yelling.

I owned stock at Waffle House

you had me as theoretical scum though and you voted

ceph

. where was the progression?

Wanted to end the day and someone pretty much said vote Ceph or we start day two doing the same stupidity as yesterday. Ceph was kinda elim de facto anyway hence why I said “Whatever”.

doesn't explain the leap onto

BBT

, or your read on me.

it's very likely scum were on both sides of the gladiate, and

i wonder if ceph was the elimination due to having better reads

outside of his push onto me.

rad/pooky/dp/csf/

luke are townreads

, many others are leans, majority in the PoE.

These thoughts feel incongruent, because I feel like I was the person who caused Ceph to be the elim yesterday.

This may be a self centered view of how the day played out, but from my pov you were going to be elimed, but it was going to take until deadline.

I decided to kill Ceph to end the day faster. He died.

Spoiler:

To be clear, it was not just because I wanted the day to end faster.

I started leaning town on you, and I was less convinced that you were definitively the better elim.

and I was also worried that if you died and flipped town, then there were certain other players that would not let go of tunneling ceph (Drapion lol), so dead town ceph was better for the collective town solving then dead town taly.

ehhhhhh it seemed more collective, i found you being one of the people to counter my points as less likely to be scum trying to chain mislims or pocket whoever could've survived.

pedit

I'd support a Professor wagon, but I would need to check what Gaunine's thoughts are before committing to a vote.
~Cytosine

If this wasn't RH, I would consider this another Red flag post.

then what are you saying here, if not a read on the hydra?

C&G

, are you still post-restricted?

[Taly]

@Taly, hi what?

*twerks*

[Taly]

Just an fyi I'm not going to push or try to kill Taly.
I tried that yesterday. Nothing has significantly changed but if Nancy wants to bet the game on it.
Then I'm happy to hand off total responsibility for that one to her.

I'll just treat her like town now, k? k.

what a glowing letter of recommendation after 3 more pages of gamesolving and memes

Nah, I like to point out what I'm looking for and then point out that I didn't bite because I ain't no low hanging fruit picker tyvm.
RH is just considerate an really will delay moves for their partner.

how considerate of you to be considerate of the considerate RH

im sleep dperived and i need togi to bed.

nighties

<3

[Taly]

Why is everybody talking like I'm not here

[Taly]

Johnny

I didn't see a reply to your read on me

Gamma

you change scumreads everything I pay attention to your slot

[Taly]

I think you’re aware that the divert away from Johnny looks suspect if Taly is town. It fits with your give neighbors a chance stance but there is always the possibility that it’s a fake claim fmpov. I don’t know how many neighbor claims were already out in the open when you claimed it, if any. I think your progression is probably trackable if I take the time to dig though.

jfc - don't go v/la during a large theme...

someone want to give me a quick rundown how yesterday ended like it did? I'm not reading 5000 posts.

Ceph gladiated me, who was already wagoned
I scumread that
Ceph flipped town because the unlikely reality of ym survival came through
My reads suck
People think a townread on me justifies suspecting another slot... except RCE and Malcolm don't quite believe I'm town.

Several people dodged my questions

[Taly]

Johnny

I didn't see a reply to your read on me

Gamma

you change scumreads everything I pay attention to your slot

I don’t think scum!Gamma goes out on such a limb to save you. Also, I explained the Marci alignment-based posting thing. That slot is never scum here.

I'm just confident that I'm pocketed somewhere and the dialogue of me being town among players who were familiar with me D1 was lacking.

So I'm doing a double take of my defenders.

[Taly]

My read on Bell is [redacted]

[Taly]

Johnny

I didn't see a reply to your read on me

Gamma

you change scumreads everything I pay attention to your slot

I don’t think scum!Gamma goes out on such a limb to save you. Also, I explained the Marci alignment-based posting thing. That slot is never scum here.

I'm just confident that I'm pocketed somewhere and the dialogue of me being town among players who were familiar with me D1 was lacking.

So I'm doing a double take of my defenders.

Yeah fair, it’s definitely possible.

am I in or out of the toy box bell

[Taly]

tf quoteposts are weird

[Taly]

+ power level increased

[Taly]

I doubt BBT even managed to find the mason claim at all.

You can add Taly to that list Luke.

what makes you say Taly forgot the masons?

~GE

Neighborhood, they didn't understand why I was town reading Roden and asked me about it.
they lamented they forget the important stuff sometimes.

ah

~GE

Momentary lapse in memory I knew they were masons but my brain didn't connect name to role when I asked in the PT

I've been very Foggy the last 48 hr. Dissociating.

[Taly]

btw Bell might be a slot we're actually synced on

~GE

I don’t understand your Bell read at all and yes, I did click your link to Among Us and I don’t see any similarity with this game.

Among Us was only relevant to the no-lim discussion
I would potentially compare him to Shakespeare UPick instead. You weren't in it, but Titus was.

~GE

Link?

I was already voting for Taly, but in case this resets the vote count:

VOTE: Taly

How about Taly today then?

Why

[Taly]

My ability to think clearly is compromised I'll be back tomorrow if I don't meme

[Taly]

Feeling mad icky like mud

[Taly]

vla til 7/22 need to prioritize work and mental health

[Taly]

Taly has returned. Day won't start until i get off work.

\o/

Welcome back! <3

hey <3

i really thought id be "on" with input upon daystart but im dissociating and colors are changing hue so uh

ill start with relaying

bell PT

paraphrase, then go into

Math/Corwin/Bella

ISOs for partner searches

i caught that

drap

tracked

bella

visiting

bell

, with

bella's

scumflip, that conftowns

drap

imo.

[Taly]

Spoiler: Page 1: The Misadventures of Toogeloo and Bel

Page 1: The Misadventures of Toogeloo and Bell

Opens with

Toog

saying that they are recovering from their accident and that they might be VLA.

Bell

acknowledges, laughs at

Boone/Shannon

flavor, marvels at a 26p game,

Bell

lightly susses

Pooky

and then considers he shouldn't out his reads in a PT.
Hours pass,

Toog

asks to be caught up on the game.

Bell

is reluctant to give anything, and says that

Toog

undeservingly asked for a pass in the thread.

Toog

reiterates that they are neighbors,

Bell

agrees, no further dialogue of them continues.

Taly replaces into the game

I greet

Bell

, and warm his heart with snoopy GIFs, he doesn't seem interested.
I ask his thoughts about

Tbone's

1034

post... since he seemed cautious to his slot, I wanted to know how he reacted to a target from another player.

Bell

replies in bullets, synopsis:

>

He admits to being an omguser.

>

Confused because

Tbone

is attacking the most active players. Says it's due to disinterest in meta and that he will be read correctly eventually.

>

Says it's natural for

Tbone

to dislike people who enjoy thread control. Says they aren't manipulative as scum.

>

Bored with people he pushes having IRL issues, wanted to push

Dwlee

.

>

Null on

Enchant

>

Gives heads-up that he will begin attacking

Pooky's

desire for mass readslist allocation, I don't recall him following through.

Bell

doesn't know who dislikes him V who is scum. Inquires on why I asked him in the PT rather than in the game-thread.

Spoiler: Page 2: Taly/Bell Intro

Page 2: Taly/Bell Intro

My reply:

>

I stated I had 2 contrasting ideas about

Pooky

for why he wants to mass readslist. In agreement with

Bell's

suspicion but I also didn't think it mattered too much D1 in a 26p so the push against an agreeable strategy to find a consensus in a 26p game struck me as town-indicative.

>

I told

Bell

that I asked in the PT because I wanted his POV outside of the filter of 20+ players, I wanted to see if his game-thread and PT perspective had dissonance.

Bell and I

shitpost some, he says that he autotowned himself.

Bell

says he doesn't want my blood... that much.
Two headmates of mine,

Umbra

and

Sol

, give non-related game but

Sol

asks why

Bell

doesn't pursue his scumread on me.

Bell

never answers

Sol's

question.

Bell

says he can't decide

BBT's

alignment. Nothing else is discussed.

I admit that my focus is to townhunt to

Bell

and he states issue with

Math's

posts and wants

Roden

to be present in the thread

Spoiler: Page 3: Taly V Bell

Page 3: Taly V Bell

I told him my townread of

Dunn

was deleted. I say that

Luke's

pivot onto my wagon is opportunistic. I also say that I had difficulty posting around this point.

Bell

says that he had encouraged me to post and that I hardly did so. He said that my defense is NAI. I post thoughts on the current wagons feeling manufactured and he doesn't reply for an entire day.

During this point, I am gladiated and

Bell

is effectively done with giving input and is instead back to wanting my elimination.

I ask

Bell

who he thinks I'm getting snowed by becuase I believed

Ceph

scum had partners who were buddying me. Also because

Tbone

suggested

Drap/Pooky/Nancy

and I wanted a perception check. I also call-out

OTH

pushing

Bell

right as

OTH

starts to hard townread me. And I suspected

Math

because he spent time trying to force

RCE

to justify his

Ceph

-vote but pivoted back onto wanting my elimination the second

Luke

gave reason to vote me. It felt like

Math

was covering his bases.

I also disagreed with the narrative that

Tbone

was masterminding

Ceph's

decisions to gladiate like I believed

Pooky

implied. I doubled down on my

Nancy/Titus

townread because I genuinely do not believe this is their scumrange here.

I reiterated my scumcase on

Ceph

in the PT and furthermore state doubt in my townread of

Johnny

because

Ceph's

major justification for the gladiate was because I replied to a post

Johnny

prompted, and it felt disingenuous because

Ceph

had listed

Johnny

suspicion far before he gladiated me.

At this point, I no longer suspect

Luke

as I did earlier and say so. I tell

Bell

that the suspicion in each other's alignments is

mutual

.

Bell

agreed with

Nancy

townread, ignored

Gamma's

push, could see the arguments against

Mathblade/Frogs

but thinks

Pooky

is wrong somewhere here. Doesn't think

Tbone

is scum, doesn't understand

Johnny

, and says that

Ceph's

tone is mild regardless of alignment if that works for them. Townreads

Luke

because his ego is showing.

Gladiate concludes.

Bell

is happy he was right about

Ceph

.

I'm disheartened at this point and let my disappointment be known with a bunch of puppy gifs, and state that my solve needs to be rethought again. I apologized for not getting to his PT post above sooner. I return to my suspicion of

Math/RCE

back-and-forth, didn't believe

Tbone

had any unreasonable posting throughout the gladiate, and noted to revisit

Johnny

slot. I suggest a pool of

OtH/Math/RCE

.

Bell

asks me if I would apologize like this as scum.

I told

Bell

that

Ceph

made a post relating to my frustration that people believe I AtE and emotionally manipulate for personal gain, and that isn't reflective of how I play mafia.
In retrospect,

Ceph's

post being town further soured my realization of being wrong and that he didn't have an agenda.

Spoiler: Page 4: Taly/Bell Townside

Page 4: Taly/Bell Townside

Bell

says he deals almost exclusively with rage!scum

Pooky

and surprised he wasn't called out for not pushing

Pooky

for his outburst V

Tbone

. But says

Pooky

is bothered off of a difference in perception and playstyle.

Bell

says he doesn't think

Ceph's

townflip would incriminate me more than I already was.... like ouch.

Bell

says

Titus'

vote on

Roden

post mason-claim is genuinely anti-town but

Nancy

doesn't feel unsuual.

I tell

Bell

I have difficulty reading

Pooky

because we have a history of mislim/1v1, I ask if there's any manner that he's seen

Pooky

!town when passionate.
I ask him if I'm getting pocketed by

Johnny

.
I ask his thoughts on

Pooky/Tbone

just being S/S theatre.
I tell

Bell

that anyone can look at my wagon from D1 and say that I was longest running wagon that wasn't resolved, and that a case against me is easy.
I comment my surprise that

Luke/Klick/Dunn

didn't get much pushback for wanting to out masons.

Bell and I go into a sync of information, point by point.

Bell

says

Gamma

dive tackling random people when wagons occur is common in their playstyle... I told

Bell

I'd pull their teeth for info, it was part of my D2 opening questions.

Bell

says hydra partners lean heavily on

Nancy

when scum... I told

Bell

that I can see that, but tripled down on my

Nancy

townread.

Bell

said he only had 1 game with a

Pooky

meltdown as town and that was this one... I told him not to bother to link if it's inconvenient. We drop this conversation.

Bell

suspected

Johnny

for obvtowning my slot after a post that he thought of mine that was very benign. He wondered if

Johnny

townread me out of sarcasm... I noted that

Johnny

was the quickest slot to give me a pass and the quietest one in my defense. It prompted my question to him D2.

Bell

says he leans town on

Pooky

with a lot of caution... I tell him I have 6+ players in PoE

{Math/OtH/BBT/RCE/Frogs/Johnny/Dunn}

Bell

says that he doesn't think

Math

is genuine when he mentions the kill

Dunn

[b/]

/block

Frogs

post, I tell him that it scumpings me since it sounds like a plan he's thinking of (otherwise, why say it?), and ask

Bell

if he thinks that is a red herring.

I ask

Bell

if there's any statement about roleblocker prior to

Math's

speculation of one.

Bell

says it isn't unreasonable to consider a roleblocker.

Bell

says

Math

usually references the idea of knowing scum's plans.

Bell

said

Math's

ideas are convoluted, but in this game,

Math

is just saying 2+2=4, scum can stop town actions.

I gave

Bell

2 possibilities emphasizing my read:

Math

is informed, which is why his ideas are non-complex. If anything, his post is rolefishy.

Math

was sick at the time and isn't thinking very clearly.

One was an NAI interpretation, and the other scum-indicative.

Spoiler: Page 5: Day 2 Dawns

Page 5: Day 2 Dawns

I ask

Bell

if I'm confbiasing my scumread on

Frogs

, as it remained in light of

Ceph's

flip. I felt their entire D1 progression was opportunistic with the vote flips.

I emphasize my stress because now since

TalyVCeph

was a TvT, I don't know how scum sided or who in my reads is snowing me V genuinely pushing me.

I ask

Bell

his townreads.

Bell

townreads

CSF/Dwlee/Roden/Luke/Nancy/Pooky

. I mindmelded with this and voice that, specifically because

CSF/Luke

felt to be the most reasoned in the push against my slot during gladiate and their counterpoints made sense to me.

Nancy/Pooky

were already townreads, and

Dwlee/Roden

are claimed masons.

Bell

said my suspicion of

Frogs

is reasonable.

We bullshit more, we talk about favorite ice cream flavor, he likes coffee ice cream but dislikes actual coffee I give him twerking GIFs

I add

Rad

to my townpool because I felt his disapproval with the questionable tone during gladiate to be more aligned with a town-perspective. Scum more often exploits unproductive discourse, not chastises it.

Bell

agrees but says that scum is also capable of doing this for credit. He's not confident about it.

Spoiler: Page 6: Taly and Bell are thrown in the deep dark abyss and this PT becomes but a note for Taly as he slowly slips into insanity

Page 6: Taly and Bell are thrown in the deep dark abyss and this PT becomes but a note for Taly as he slowly slips into insanity

Bell

says my opening D2 questions were "not bad"

Bothered that D2 is like a repeat of D1.

I lose contact with the game at this point.

[Taly]

y'all that took 2 hours whegfw3rtefrnthge43rq2e

im clocked out, ill vote tmrw

[Taly]

Las

t on

th

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rc

i shouldve been in bed 30 minutes ago so im not doing a huge post here

needless to say, my reads have been wrong at every point so far, so im confident that im being misted somewhere.

it's very likely scum were on both sides of the gladiate, and i wonder if

ceph

was the elimination due to having better reads outside of his push onto me.

rad/pooky/dp/csf/luke

are townreads, many others are leans, majority in the PoE.

>

Johnny

I haven't heard a thing from you during the gladiate other than me being town, I'm going to need some convincing to believe that read at the moment.
>

Math

, why did you spend a whole back-and-forth trying to gauge for justification to vote

ceph

and then pivot back to me when

Luke

gave reasoning?
>

RCE

you were very similar in the regard of changing votes off little provocation, I want you to justify your votes.
>

Gamma

, remind me why you chose to push

Bell

!scum when it wasn't an opportunity? What happened to that read in light of

Enchant

!scum?
>

Pooky

, what is your read on

T-Bone

?
>

Drap

, walk me through that wolf PoE.
>

Bella

, I don't remember a thing from your posts, what are your reads?
>

Roden/Dwlee

, have you guys had the chance to interact with each other much?
>

Titus

, are you feeling better? How would you read the VCA of

Taly V Ceph

? I'm also failing to see the connection of

BBT

-scum, but my brain is tired at the moment.
>

T-Bone

, why do a gloat post when 3 town are dead?
>

Mislim Bait

, where are you at with the catch-up? Do you need any help in following this hell of a game thread?

VOTE: Mathblade

vote's best served here,

frogs

was my other strongest scumread.

luke

sharing that feels like a genuine mindmeld. this makes the most sense.

vla til 7/22 need to prioritize work and mental health

Taly has returned. Day won't start until i get off work.

\o/

Welcome back! <3

hey <3

i really thought id be "on" with input upon daystart but im dissociating and colors are changing hue so uh

ill start with relaying

bell PT

paraphrase, then go into

Math/Corwin/Bella

ISOs for partner searches

i caught that

drap

tracked

bella

visiting

bell

, with

bella's

scumflip, that conftowns

drap

imo.

Spoiler: Page 1: The Misadventures of Toogeloo and Bel

Page 1: The Misadventures of Toogeloo and Bell

Opens with

Toog

saying that they are recovering from their accident and that they might be VLA.

Bell

acknowledges, laughs at

Boone/Shannon

flavor, marvels at a 26p game,

Bell

lightly susses

Pooky

and then considers he shouldn't out his reads in a PT.
Hours pass,

Toog

asks to be caught up on the game.

Bell

is reluctant to give anything, and says that

Toog

undeservingly asked for a pass in the thread.

Toog

reiterates that they are neighbors,

Bell

agrees, no further dialogue of them continues.

Taly replaces into the game

I greet

Bell

, and warm his heart with snoopy GIFs, he doesn't seem interested.
I ask his thoughts about

Tbone's

1034

post... since he seemed cautious to his slot, I wanted to know how he reacted to a target from another player.

Bell

replies in bullets, synopsis:

>

He admits to being an omguser.

>

Confused because

Tbone

is attacking the most active players. Says it's due to disinterest in meta and that he will be read correctly eventually.

>

Says it's natural for

Tbone

to dislike people who enjoy thread control. Says they aren't manipulative as scum.

>

Bored with people he pushes having IRL issues, wanted to push

Dwlee

.

>

Null on

Enchant

>

Gives heads-up that he will begin attacking

Pooky's

desire for mass readslist allocation, I don't recall him following through.

Bell

doesn't know who dislikes him V who is scum. Inquires on why I asked him in the PT rather than in the game-thread.

Spoiler: Page 2: Taly/Bell Intro

Page 2: Taly/Bell Intro

My reply:

>

I stated I had 2 contrasting ideas about

Pooky

for why he wants to mass readslist. In agreement with

Bell's

suspicion but I also didn't think it mattered too much D1 in a 26p so the push against an agreeable strategy to find a consensus in a 26p game struck me as town-indicative.

>

I told

Bell

that I asked in the PT because I wanted his POV outside of the filter of 20+ players, I wanted to see if his game-thread and PT perspective had dissonance.

Bell and I

shitpost some, he says that he autotowned himself.

Bell

says he doesn't want my blood... that much.
Two headmates of mine,

Umbra

and

Sol

, give non-related game but

Sol

asks why

Bell

doesn't pursue his scumread on me.

Bell

never answers

Sol's

question.

Bell

says he can't decide

BBT's

alignment. Nothing else is discussed.

I admit that my focus is to townhunt to

Bell

and he states issue with

Math's

posts and wants

Roden

to be present in the thread

Spoiler: Page 3: Taly V Bell

Page 3: Taly V Bell

I told him my townread of

Dunn

was deleted. I say that

Luke's

pivot onto my wagon is opportunistic. I also say that I had difficulty posting around this point.

Bell

says that he had encouraged me to post and that I hardly did so. He said that my defense is NAI. I post thoughts on the current wagons feeling manufactured and he doesn't reply for an entire day.

During this point, I am gladiated and

Bell

is effectively done with giving input and is instead back to wanting my elimination.

I ask

Bell

who he thinks I'm getting snowed by becuase I believed

Ceph

scum had partners who were buddying me. Also because

Tbone

suggested

Drap/Pooky/Nancy

and I wanted a perception check. I also call-out

OTH

pushing

Bell

right as

OTH

starts to hard townread me. And I suspected

Math

because he spent time trying to force

RCE

to justify his

Ceph

-vote but pivoted back onto wanting my elimination the second

Luke

gave reason to vote me. It felt like

Math

was covering his bases.

I also disagreed with the narrative that

Tbone

was masterminding

Ceph's

decisions to gladiate like I believed

Pooky

implied. I doubled down on my

Nancy/Titus

townread because I genuinely do not believe this is their scumrange here.

I reiterated my scumcase on

Ceph

in the PT and furthermore state doubt in my townread of

Johnny

because

Ceph's

major justification for the gladiate was because I replied to a post

Johnny

prompted, and it felt disingenuous because

Ceph

had listed

Johnny

suspicion far before he gladiated me.

At this point, I no longer suspect

Luke

as I did earlier and say so. I tell

Bell

that the suspicion in each other's alignments is

mutual

.

Bell

agreed with

Nancy

townread, ignored

Gamma's

push, could see the arguments against

Mathblade/Frogs

but thinks

Pooky

is wrong somewhere here. Doesn't think

Tbone

is scum, doesn't understand

Johnny

, and says that

Ceph's

tone is mild regardless of alignment if that works for them. Townreads

Luke

because his ego is showing.

Gladiate concludes.

Bell

is happy he was right about

Ceph

.

I'm disheartened at this point and let my disappointment be known with a bunch of puppy gifs, and state that my solve needs to be rethought again. I apologized for not getting to his PT post above sooner. I return to my suspicion of

Math/RCE

back-and-forth, didn't believe

Tbone

had any unreasonable posting throughout the gladiate, and noted to revisit

Johnny

slot. I suggest a pool of

OtH/Math/RCE

.

Bell

asks me if I would apologize like this as scum.

I told

Bell

that

Ceph

made a post relating to my frustration that people believe I AtE and emotionally manipulate for personal gain, and that isn't reflective of how I play mafia.
In retrospect,

Ceph's

post being town further soured my realization of being wrong and that he didn't have an agenda.

Spoiler: Page 4: Taly/Bell Townside

Page 4: Taly/Bell Townside

Bell

says he deals almost exclusively with rage!scum

Pooky

and surprised he wasn't called out for not pushing

Pooky

for his outburst V

Tbone

. But says

Pooky

is bothered off of a difference in perception and playstyle.

Bell

says he doesn't think

Ceph's

townflip would incriminate me more than I already was.... like ouch.

Bell

says

Titus'

vote on

Roden

post mason-claim is genuinely anti-town but

Nancy

doesn't feel unsuual.

I tell

Bell

I have difficulty reading

Pooky

because we have a history of mislim/1v1, I ask if there's any manner that he's seen

Pooky

!town when passionate.
I ask him if I'm getting pocketed by

Johnny

.
I ask his thoughts on

Pooky/Tbone

just being S/S theatre.
I tell

Bell

that anyone can look at my wagon from D1 and say that I was longest running wagon that wasn't resolved, and that a case against me is easy.
I comment my surprise that

Luke/Klick/Dunn

didn't get much pushback for wanting to out masons.

Bell and I go into a sync of information, point by point.

Bell

says

Gamma

dive tackling random people when wagons occur is common in their playstyle... I told

Bell

I'd pull their teeth for info, it was part of my D2 opening questions.

Bell

says hydra partners lean heavily on

Nancy

when scum... I told

Bell

that I can see that, but tripled down on my

Nancy

townread.

Bell

said he only had 1 game with a

Pooky

meltdown as town and that was this one... I told him not to bother to link if it's inconvenient. We drop this conversation.

Bell

suspected

Johnny

for obvtowning my slot after a post that he thought of mine that was very benign. He wondered if

Johnny

townread me out of sarcasm... I noted that

Johnny

was the quickest slot to give me a pass and the quietest one in my defense. It prompted my question to him D2.

Bell

says he leans town on

Pooky

with a lot of caution... I tell him I have 6+ players in PoE

{Math/OtH/BBT/RCE/Frogs/Johnny/Dunn}

Bell

says that he doesn't think

Math

is genuine when he mentions the kill

Dunn

[b/]

/block

Frogs

post, I tell him that it scumpings me since it sounds like a plan he's thinking of (otherwise, why say it?), and ask

Bell

if he thinks that is a red herring.

I ask

Bell

if there's any statement about roleblocker prior to

Math's

speculation of one.

Bell

says it isn't unreasonable to consider a roleblocker.

Bell

says

Math

usually references the idea of knowing scum's plans.

Bell

said

Math's

ideas are convoluted, but in this game,

Math

is just saying 2+2=4, scum can stop town actions.

I gave

Bell

2 possibilities emphasizing my read:

Math

is informed, which is why his ideas are non-complex. If anything, his post is rolefishy.

Math

was sick at the time and isn't thinking very clearly.

One was an NAI interpretation, and the other scum-indicative.

Spoiler: Page 5: Day 2 Dawns

Page 5: Day 2 Dawns

I ask

Bell

if I'm confbiasing my scumread on

Frogs

, as it remained in light of

Ceph's

flip. I felt their entire D1 progression was opportunistic with the vote flips.

I emphasize my stress because now since

TalyVCeph

was a TvT, I don't know how scum sided or who in my reads is snowing me V genuinely pushing me.

I ask

Bell

his townreads.

Bell

townreads

CSF/Dwlee/Roden/Luke/Nancy/Pooky

. I mindmelded with this and voice that, specifically because

CSF/Luke

felt to be the most reasoned in the push against my slot during gladiate and their counterpoints made sense to me.

Nancy/Pooky

were already townreads, and

Dwlee/Roden

are claimed masons.

Bell

said my suspicion of

Frogs

is reasonable.

We bullshit more, we talk about favorite ice cream flavor, he likes coffee ice cream but dislikes actual coffee I give him twerking GIFs

I add

Rad

to my townpool because I felt his disapproval with the questionable tone during gladiate to be more aligned with a town-perspective. Scum more often exploits unproductive discourse, not chastises it.

Bell

agrees but says that scum is also capable of doing this for credit. He's not confident about it.

Spoiler: Page 6: Taly and Bell are thrown in the deep dark abyss and this PT becomes but a note for Taly as he slowly slips into insanity

Page 6: Taly and Bell are thrown in the deep dark abyss and this PT becomes but a note for Taly as he slowly slips into insanity

Bell

says my opening D2 questions were "not bad"

Bothered that D2 is like a repeat of D1.

I lose contact with the game at this point.

[Taly]

what happened to this game, how have i not been p-edited by 30 posts so far wtf

[Taly]

i am aware, im adding

luke

to my ISO next to

math/cor/bella

[Taly]

i caught that drap tracked bella visiting bell, with bella's scumflip, that conftowns drap imo.

[Taly]

{Drap/Roden/butterchurn)

are off the lim table

and I townread

Rad/CSF/Pooky/Nancy/T-Bone

also I remember people doubting

C&G's

posting restriction validity and I thought that was a lot of fluff for no reason. Why?

[Taly]

So I know people hate meta, but I read Newbie 2095 during the break and both Roden and Mala as town in that game played completely different than whatever they're doing here. Both were thoughtful and full of analysis, and both leader types, even on Mala's alt. Like I read Roden as hard town almost immediately and it never dropped.

Is it ridiculous to doubt the mason claims here? I get it could be town complacence being "confirmed" but holy shit, it's like a different person. If we have some way to confirm one way or the other, that would be great, though I'm guessing we do not at this point without a flip, and no need to flip a mason claim at this stage I think?

I'd ask both of them to step up their game if town. I dunno if Mala's trying to push a new goof around town meta or something, but there's so much lost compared to how both of them played in 2095.

Unless you believe

butterchurn+Roden

are partners to

Math/Bella

, I don't think it's optimal to go down that line of thinking.

Love to hear Taly’s reasons for the off the table and town reads group. Off the table especially.

Wasn’t going to mention Rad, but I don’t like that post at all.

Because I'm not going to argue the validity of roles that are either conftown or have made actions that are very protown? Especially when there's 15 other players?

And I stand by my reasons for my townreads made around D1/D2, I'll read up but I don't think is a good time to reevaluate them.

[Taly]

Pretty sure Taly should get current before holding on to nonmechanical D1/D2 reads though

point me to some places to read.... 150 pages is not feasible for me to catch-up on entirely.

[Taly]

hmmmmm ill check that all out, not promising much

my idea of

"getting current"

is ISOing dead mafia, not reading tons of circular conversation.

if there's claimed innocents like with

pooky

on

luke/tbone

, that's good information.

ill throw

bell/luke

into the mix for NKA.



we're going to bed, nighties all

<3

[Taly]

I'm a doc, hence I think there must be two from flavour, I was on rad n1 then bell.

Ok so I guess this isn’t entirely a redcheck then.


I Hardclaim Tracker


N1: CSF - Action Failed for some reason
N2: Bella visited Bell.

We're not yeeting Bella.

Pooky is scum posting again.

Although actually, now that I think about it, scum using a strongman on Bell when there are so many potential options for a Doc to save doesn't really make sense.

Bella's play doesn't feel like scum though?

BBT I get that this a bit out of context but can you elaborate on your Bella read? How did you interpret Drap's claim at the time?

[Taly]

So I know people hate meta, but I read Newbie 2095 during the break and both Roden and Mala as town in that game played completely different than whatever they're doing here. Both were thoughtful and full of analysis, and both leader types, even on Mala's alt. Like I read Roden as hard town almost immediately and it never dropped.

Is it ridiculous to doubt the mason claims here? I get it could be town complacence being "confirmed" but holy shit, it's like a different person. If we have some way to confirm one way or the other, that would be great, though I'm guessing we do not at this point without a flip, and no need to flip a mason claim at this stage I think?

I'd ask both of them to step up their game if town. I dunno if Mala's trying to push a new goof around town meta or something, but there's so much lost compared to how both of them played in 2095.

A bit like with the suspicion of Pooky and Luke yesterday that never went anywhere, feels like Rad is trying to shade widely townread players on the off-chance it'll work without ever really committing to it at all. I think it's fine to use meta but I think it's understandable that not everyone plays every game in the same way. I did scumread Roden early on but seeing little reason to doubt the mason claim at this stage.

Considering

Rad

doesn't seem like a powerful posting slot in the game from what I've skimmed of D3 and D4, I don't think that's a strategy that would work with

Rad

alone. So it doesn't read to me as a probable motive for

Rad

.

I want you and

butterchurn

to flesh out your votes.

[Taly]

Remind me why I was your preferred elimination to

Ceph

,

Malcolm

.

[Taly]

Johnny

, why admit to being in your scumrange?

[Taly]

it be lonely with a PT partner these days :/

i miss

bell's

distrustful disposition and me throwing twerk gifs at him while we bullshitted about desserts.

surprised people called for my PT paraphrase with

bell

and im not getting any follow-up. i felt it was very productive, his townflip is predictable but nobody pushed against me, so incriminating my slot wasn't part of

bell

NK, nor was it because of role because

bell/i

weren't publicly vibing and i dont think a neighbor is a concern over

mason

claims.

so i think

bell

was on top of scum, ill revisit his reads, we largely talked about our townreads before i fell off and we mindmelded very strongly with the other on that front.

BBT

felt genuine when I asked about his interpretation of

Drap's

result on

Bella

and he still dismissed it. I doubt scum does that knowing that they're wrong. 11258

11316 was a reasonable reply from

malcolm

, it didnt sound like a TMI on

ceph

, but on a

cephVtaly

context, i believed i was consensus for majority of the gladiate.

pedit

Johnny

, why admit to being in your scumrange?

I thought that was a weird post but does it feel like the type of thing scum would say?

ive said such things as both town and scum, i find the reason is more AI than the action.

[Taly]

VOTE: CSF

Because.

VOTE: Cephrir

>.>

VOTE: Corwinoid

VOTE: Dwlee99

Making the rounds. Hi.

VOTE: Cytosine & Guanine

VOTE: Mathblade

*shrug*

VOTE: Klick

*double shrug*

VOTE: Taly

Anything else?

VOTE: Taly

UNVOTE:

Just kidding.

Cephrir cancel your gladiate let's kill mathblade.

Bell, I thought you scum read taly.

What changed ?

I got shook. But if they can't cancel they can't cancel.

VOTE: Taly

Okay sure.

VOTE: Cephrir

I don't like it though.

VOTE: Mathblade

LOL @Frog town.

Bell

did mention

BBT

as a

"not bad"

vote and questioned their stance but it's weaksauce.

I know

Bell

was suspicious of

Pooky

and voiced a bit in our PT, but that would be outside of scum's knowledge at the time of

Bell's

death.

I still don't feel there was a satisfying justification behind

OtH V Bell

. That could be it, but why does

OTH

!scum whiteknight me and fight

Bell

only to kill

Bell

?

It's possible

OTH

TMI'd me as town. It'd be easy to spin the narrative that

BellVTaly

was SvT to chain mislims.

OTH

, why are you a bad elimination?

[Taly]

wow a 12 person poe in a 18 alive list how heroic of you

so glad we could remove the basically cleared people from your list...impressive.

Lol

I believe in Johnny. Let's narrow that down some more buddy.

You all can feel free to say who you'd take off

Johnny's

PoE...

[Taly]

Ordered.

Town:
butterflies
Drap
RCE

Town Lean:
Taly
Johnny
Pooky
T-Bone
BB
Mislim Bait
C&G
butterchurn

Null:
CSF
OTH
BBT
Roden

Scum Lean:
Malcolm
Mala

Talk to me about

Mislim Bait/BB

townreads.

Why do you think it's so likely that the masons could be fakeclaiming when there's so many other players to look at?

[Taly]

{Drap/Roden/butterchurn)

are off the lim table

and I townread

Rad/CSF/Pooky/Nancy/T-Bone

also I remember people doubting

C&G's

posting restriction validity and I thought that was a lot of fluff for no reason. Why?

[Taly]

Bell

suspected

C&G

pre-gladiate and we never discussed it tbh.

[Taly]

I mean I kind of don't remember anything about

Pooky

D1.

Not that I was around for most of post-D1 so far but I don't know where their head is at atm.

Bell

also suspected

Johnny

and

Klick (Mislim Bait)

.

[Taly]

after D1*

time go wibble

yay dissociation

im hungry

bye

[Taly]

pooky

do you need a hug?

[Taly]

nancy

if i became your +1 vote this dayphase, where would we vote?

[Taly]

sure I love hugs

[Taly]

i have experience with

gamma

and

marci

and im weary of that slot

so how are you meta-reading

OTH

as town,

nancy

?

[Taly]

It'd be funny if Bella and Taly are both town that forgot or didn't see Roden claim.

also this is completely irrelevant but i wasnt... thinking clearly, when i forgot

roden's

alignment in

bell's

PT.

there were reasons i went VLA.

pedit

could you link

nancy

?

[Taly]

noted

*flops onto nancy*

[Taly]

ill get to my ISOs by friday night or saturday at the latest.

i am going on travel

[Taly]

im a busy boi

[Taly]

Why

Rad

is even scumread is still lost on me.

[Taly]

@Johnny
I’d suggest in case wolves try and sweep you into an ML you may want to full on claim Doctor.

But seriously why do you think this?

Can we refrain from baiting role claims?

[Taly]

How did you cross out

BBT

from your PoE,

Johnny

?

[Taly]

Malcom we're on the same wavelength, I was just reading BBTs ISO and I think I like their mislim vote

Yeah I scumread you early on but in retrospect looks more like I was misinterpreting tone more than anything else. BBT is a solid town for me still and seen little to change that.

How did your scumread on

Johnny

evolve to misinterpreting their tone, and why is that town-indicative for

Johnny

?

How did you cross out

BBT

from your PoE,

Johnny

?

I skimmed their ISO and liked some vibes. Their push on mislim was neat, and then they backed off organically when they and Rad imagined some oog reason for Klick replacing out

I just don't see an agenda there

I'm townleaning

BBT

because of how widely suspected they've been this game. I think

BBT's

an easy push. Their reply about

Bella

felt genuine and not how I'd expect a partner to react.

Namely, I think

Bella

was probably bussed by the majority or all of the scumteam, and

BBT's

admission to

"I don't understand mech, so this ONE possibility of

Bella

still being town"

after

Drap's

claim is an uninformed perspective in a

Bella!scum

world. Especially since

BBT

had a consistent townread of that slot.

[Taly]

Why

Rad

is even scumread is still lost on me.

There are dozens of posts outlining why people think Rad is scum? It's not difficult to find them, this feels like a particularly weak attempt at a defence.

Or you know, I don't find the current arguments compelling?

pedit

legit have to leave now, needed to start packing an hour ago

[Taly]

Old shit I know but

Life has humbled my ass more than it ever has. Sorry I couldn't hold down the slot.

Kind of proud of surviving past D1... I have never played that hard as scum before.

Good fight

Ceph

, you really impressed us. Good decision. Still surprised I lived.

Ultimately, I can't pretend to like scum as if it's my town game.

My town mind is a whole other world of character. I burnout quickly as scum. Riding off misreads and not looking others in the eye is my best method still.

[Taly]

So much would've gone differently had I rep'd into town.

[Taly]

Would've been a treat to townside with you

Bell