Cosmos Mafia (Postgame)

[Meuh]

Hellooooooo!

[Meuh]

Yup. Am I clear to like, share my info? Or is there some reason out there why I shouldn't

Haven't read too much but I think this info is fairly juicy?

[Meuh]

Fun! unwnd is attuned with the sun. Therefore not aligned with the lunar cult.
I vaguely recall people saying unwnd was weird with the wagon on the person who just flipped lunar? I saw that on the last page. I picked unwd cause of that + Mastina having unwnd low on reads.

[Meuh]

Fun! unwnd is attuned with the sun. Therefore not aligned with the lunar cult.
I vaguely recall people saying unwnd was weird with the wagon on the person who just flipped lunar? I saw that on the last page. I picked unwd cause of that + Mastina having unwnd low on reads.

Can you clarify what sun attuned means again?

All sun and moon cult members are attuned to their respective cult. All townies have an attunement (sun or moon) determined pregame in some sort of non-random fashion.
Functionally, a sun attunement means someone is confirmed to not be moon cult, and vice-versa.

[Meuh]

If possible could I get some sort of list of claims/important info thus far in the game? I’m lost and I’d like to know some basics at least

[Meuh]

There's no reason to stop her from targeting us if she just has an investigative role.

Unless her role is more than an investigative role.

The role is literally called “limited astrologer”, it’s in the name

I think the info of you/Mathblade being untargetable was something Mastina passively learned at the end of dusk 1? I can only act at noon, but I did get that information and it was learned at the end of dusk 1.

[Meuh]

B

[Meuh]

mueh

Spoiler:

[Meuh]

i prefer mwah~

That's nice tbh

Btw with T-Bone and RR's claims about last night, I don't really think T-Bone makes sense as a vote here, right? Cause even if T-Bone's scum, he'd be Lunar cult, which seems like less of a priority if we already got one out.

[Meuh]

4353

[Meuh]

I have role-related knowledge that someone either tried to kill Meuh

or

used a negative utility action on her during the “Noon” phase

Not sure what would be a "negative utility action" here, but CSF never claimed I had to be attacked

[Meuh]

I feel like the timeline where scum use a negative utility action on me that isn't a kill also lines up pretty well with the timeline where I don't get attacked right?
Cause if scum can mess with my role or my results in some way, it's much less tempting for them to go for a kill

[Meuh]

My role being "limited" kind of makes me lean towards the idea that scum can mess with it tbh, but if you have reason to believe it's not I'm down to believe that!

Pedit: I got a result that unwnd is "attuned with the sun", which explicitly means they cannot be aligned with lunar cult.

[Meuh]

If only...
Society is cruel sometimes

[Meuh]

My question would be: why does CSF fake that I was targeted by something negative/a kill if it's not true? I don't see how saying that actually serves the scum team in any meaningful way.

[Meuh]

Oh btw I don't really see "burn" being an arsonist thing, considering "burn" is like the most obvious/generic term a team related to the sun there could be. (+ it doesn't really make sense, unless burn specifically refers to an arsonist igniting, in which case I'd ask why they'd do it so soon)
I think it either refers to the factional kill or some sort of unique solar team ability. (more likely the former)

[Meuh]

I'm not of the opinion that converts even exist in this game tbh...
But I could be wrong!
If they do I think they'd be heavily limited, I don't think this is a game where a bunch of people are gonna constantly get converted, despite the "cult" flavour, this doesn't really feel like a cult game.

[Meuh]

I'm not of the opinion that converts even exist in this game tbh...
But I could be wrong!
If they do I think they'd be heavily limited, I don't think this is a game where a bunch of people are gonna constantly get converted, despite the "cult" flavour, this doesn't really feel like a cult game.

I am torn on it.

There’s just certain things that imply it rather heavily.

If I was 100% sure I would be yolo shooting you right now but I am not.

However this idea should be disproven.

I do kind of think townies having attunements points to it, but the game would feel... busy I guess if it had converts on top of everything else. I'm overwhelmed enough as is.
But the fact that I have my role makes me feel less like attunements have something to do with conversion, cause wouldn't scum be the ones with the power to see people's attunements? (To pick who to convert)

[Meuh]

I think there actually isn’t a kill at all for solar and it’s a recruit instead and that unwd tried to convert TBone
Or you tried and successfully converted unwd

I feel like one of the "night" phases, one scum team can factional kill, and the other can kill in the other. Would check out with mine and other's abilities having interactions with specific phases

[Meuh]

I think there actually isn’t a kill at all for solar and it’s a recruit instead and that unwd tried to convert TBone
Or you tried and successfully converted unwd

I feel like one of the "night" phases, one scum team can factional kill, and the other can kill in the other. Would check out with mine and other's abilities having interactions with specific phases

Change that to Lunar kill and Solar recruit and I am there with you.

That makes "burning" a conversion? It sounds a bit off flavour-wise tbh but I can't say I have a better term for it in mind.

[Meuh]

Why are people saying they are aligned with Solar and Lunar but are town? Is this a hidden mechanic because my role PM doesn't have anything like that.

Fun! unwnd is attuned with the sun. Therefore not aligned with the lunar cult.
I vaguely recall people saying unwnd was weird with the wagon on the person who just flipped lunar? I saw that on the last page. I picked unwd cause of that + Mastina having unwnd low on reads.

Can you clarify what sun attuned means again?

All sun and moon cult members are attuned to their respective cult. All townies have an attunement (sun or moon) determined pregame in some sort of non-random fashion.
Functionally, a sun attunement means someone is confirmed to not be moon cult, and vice-versa.

(This is info packaged in with my role)

[Meuh]

Wtf was that kill

Have you guys read my own posts about my role? Let me bring it up

Fun! unwnd is attuned with the sun. Therefore not aligned with the lunar cult.
I vaguely recall people saying unwnd was weird with the wagon on the person who just flipped lunar? I saw that on the last page. I picked unwd cause of that + Mastina having unwnd low on reads.

Can you clarify what sun attuned means again?

All sun and moon cult members are attuned to their respective cult.

All townies have an attunement (sun or moon) determined pregame in some sort of non-random fashion.

Functionally, a sun attunement means someone is confirmed to not be moon cult, and vice-versa.

[Meuh]

On killing Unwnd? Absolutely not

[Meuh]

Unwnd in that back and forth with you was blatant vanilla townie

[Meuh]

Spoiler:

Suspect play is not the same as suspect. Suspect play means bad play. Suboptimal play.

Regarding my last post, imagine if toogaloo had been checked solar. His reaction would have been like "WTF? I'm not solar *votes mwah*." With unwnd it's just.. nothing.

Almost like I don't give a shit about my attunement as the only that matters is my green role PM

Leading with mechanics is only good if you have a strong foundation

This game is borderline incoherent

I don't expect for people to corroborate and make informed decisions that we can utilize to hold accountability

If that were true, then mastina would've died earlier

Bittersweet

K well i dont know my attunement and shooting me is a legitimate waste

I mean literally shoot my ass if you're soooo convinced

I have nothing to lose

Go on mathblade

Do it

There's nobody townreading me you twit

Only person who has suggested that is DDS

I'm calling your bkuff

Shoot me so you can be the last chapter of that shitshow that started with you and mastina in the first place

I will be a martyr

I get dogged on for trying to change things in a game stick in limbo

I'm sick of you acting like you own the joint

Shoot me and let your stubbornness die with me

I want you to recognize how much you've been an obstructive force to this game

I'm dogged on for not following orders like a dog

I have no shame other than my misconception of mastinas play

What are the reasons for me being scum?

I bet you can't find good ones from any individual

Don't let mathblade continue to play deputy

I'd like others to start suggesting shots not just me, cause shouldn't i have partners? Another thing nobody had to say about

Like i want town to win even without me

If im shot or limmed or whatever the fuck

Then i want to know where people will go next

This is all explicitly VT
Wish I would've actually posted my thoughts at the time but I was reading while doing other stuff
Just blegh

[Meuh]

Spoiler:

Suspect play is not the same as suspect. Suspect play means bad play. Suboptimal play.

Regarding my last post, imagine if toogaloo had been checked solar. His reaction would have been like "WTF? I'm not solar *votes mwah*." With unwnd it's just.. nothing.

Almost like I don't give a shit about my attunement as the only that matters is my green role PM

Leading with mechanics is only good if you have a strong foundation

This game is borderline incoherent

I don't expect for people to corroborate and make informed decisions that we can utilize to hold accountability

If that were true, then mastina would've died earlier

Bittersweet

K well i dont know my attunement and shooting me is a legitimate waste

I mean literally shoot my ass if you're soooo convinced

I have nothing to lose

Go on mathblade

Do it

There's nobody townreading me you twit

Only person who has suggested that is DDS

I'm calling your bkuff

Shoot me so you can be the last chapter of that shitshow that started with you and mastina in the first place

I will be a martyr

I get dogged on for trying to change things in a game stick in limbo

I'm sick of you acting like you own the joint

Shoot me and let your stubbornness die with me

I want you to recognize how much you've been an obstructive force to this game

I'm dogged on for not following orders like a dog

I have no shame other than my misconception of mastinas play

What are the reasons for me being scum?

I bet you can't find good ones from any individual

Don't let mathblade continue to play deputy

I'd like others to start suggesting shots not just me, cause shouldn't i have partners? Another thing nobody had to say about

Like i want town to win even without me

If im shot or limmed or whatever the fuck

Then i want to know where people will go next

This is all explicitly VT
Wish I would've actually posted my thoughts at the time but I was reading while doing other stuff
Just blegh

Do you think the VT claims are town?

What VT claims

[Meuh]

Furtive and ydrasse claimed VT i think

Can't say I feel strongly about either
Should probably more properly read stuff, I meant to right after subbing in but just trying to understand the game mechanics + the general events + my own role was too much for my brain to handle

[Meuh]

Spoiler:

Suspect play is not the same as suspect. Suspect play means bad play. Suboptimal play.

Regarding my last post, imagine if toogaloo had been checked solar. His reaction would have been like "WTF? I'm not solar *votes mwah*." With unwnd it's just.. nothing.

Almost like I don't give a shit about my attunement as the only that matters is my green role PM

Leading with mechanics is only good if you have a strong foundation

This game is borderline incoherent

I don't expect for people to corroborate and make informed decisions that we can utilize to hold accountability

If that were true, then mastina would've died earlier

Bittersweet

K well i dont know my attunement and shooting me is a legitimate waste

I mean literally shoot my ass if you're soooo convinced

I have nothing to lose

Go on mathblade

Do it

There's nobody townreading me you twit

Only person who has suggested that is DDS

I'm calling your bkuff

Shoot me so you can be the last chapter of that shitshow that started with you and mastina in the first place

I will be a martyr

I get dogged on for trying to change things in a game stick in limbo

I'm sick of you acting like you own the joint

Shoot me and let your stubbornness die with me

I want you to recognize how much you've been an obstructive force to this game

I'm dogged on for not following orders like a dog

I have no shame other than my misconception of mastinas play

What are the reasons for me being scum?

I bet you can't find good ones from any individual

Don't let mathblade continue to play deputy

I'd like others to start suggesting shots not just me, cause shouldn't i have partners? Another thing nobody had to say about

Like i want town to win even without me

If im shot or limmed or whatever the fuck

Then i want to know where people will go next

This is all explicitly VT
Wish I would've actually posted my thoughts at the time but I was reading while doing other stuff
Just blegh

That read to me as scum who had given up

Not caring about attunement (literally anyone who isn't vt would care at least a little), calling the game incohrent/generally seeming lost, being angry at the way the game's headed, and the final message, saying they want town to win even without them, as long as they know where to go next.

I guess it's pointless now

[Meuh]

I'll sheep Ydra who sheeps Mathblade who sheeps Scarf, sure!

[Meuh]

Ydrasse looks townie on a skim tbh

[Meuh]

DDS can be town too

[Meuh]

Klick, do you think there’s recruitment in this game?

I'm not really sure

I think if there IS recruitment it's likely to be heavily limited (per Meg's statement that bastard elements are 'kept to a minimum')

If all the attunement stuff is legit then I think it's likely that attunement would have something to do with whether a player could be recruited by a particular scumteam because that makes sense as a design choice

I'm mostly scumhunting as though it's 11-3-3 and there's not recruitment until we have more credible reason to suspect otherwise though because those are nice round scumhuntable teams

Basically scumteams of 2 feel cheap to me because they have very little vested interest in things that aren't survival and they blur the line between town and scum behaviour, especially in multiball
So I'd rather assume we're at least dealing with 3 on each team. And if there's less than that, then I guess that's more power to us

This reads like a town POV

[Meuh]

Why does "some point" have to be now?

[Meuh]

Why does "some point" have to be now?

Can you elaborate on some reads when you get time?

Yeah sure I'd be down to, I mostly have vague vibereads at the moment, so I'd be glad for someone to force me to actually try reading people
I'm sick right now which means

I should be resting

I have more time to play mafia!

[Meuh]

Why does "some point" have to be now?

Can you elaborate on some reads when you get time?

Yeah sure I'd be down to, I mostly have vague vibereads at the moment, so I'd be glad for someone to force me to actually try reading people
I'm sick right now which means

I should be resting

I have more time to play mafia!

Okay here’s a challenge for you:

Rate every player with a number or phrase as an alignment

Eg Meuh = 10 for locktown
MMR = 1 for lock scum

Or
Meuh = lock town
MMR = lock scum
Random player = town lean

I think my main issue is that everyone looks null/town so it's hard to feel strongly about anything. The one read I started to feel strongly about was Unwnd but then... yeah. Let me do some skimming!

1

Radical Rat

-

Lean town.

4756 sticks out as town POV I think. Might be leaning too far town on this slot because of the good perspective on my own alignment today.

2

Meuh

-

Townie!!!

4

Dingle Dangle Scarecrow

(Hydra with Klick and Bellaphant) - Echoing my thoughts from 4939, generally looks good and I like their recent interactions with Furtive (they feel motivated to get stuff done)

Lean town.

5

Scarfmanship

- I found 4759 to look good but I also don't think it's a post I can properly sort considering my lack of context.

Neutral I suppose.

6

Past Present Future (Hydra of Nancy Drew 39, Titus, and Auro)

- 4979, 4981 both lean towards a town POV. Most else I remember from that slot is frustration which felt genuine, but is also the easiest emotion for scum to use to their advantage.

Neutral maybe lean-town

for those most recent posts.

7

Cat Scratch Fever

- The negative action used on me thing instinctively makes me want to think CSF is town, because of course I'd get targeted by something negative! But on actual play, CSF hasn't pinged me as town.

Neutral.

8

Enchant

- I won't pretend I have a good grasp on reading Enchant but their posts on this day have had mildly bad vibes to me.

Null-leanscum

.

11

Firebringer

- I like the clear train of thought in 3987, and that's about it for townie vibes. If scum I think solar makes more sense? I dislike their interactions with Furtive, it feels like people from different cults bickering, lmao.

Null-leanscum.

12

Toogeloo

- It's hard to pinpoint anything and it feels weird to say but

they just read town

. Overall just a perspective and a tone I'd expect from a townie.

13

Mathblade

- Mathblade just seems Mathbladey, but I've also only played with town Mathblade so I guess that's slightly +town? I also doubt scum would get a dayvig, so

he can be town

ig.

14

Furtiveglance

- 4199 radiates bad energy. The vibes feel generally off.

Lean-scum

rn.

15

Ydrasse

- The behaviour around Ydrasse's slot feels more reminiscent of scum trying to capitalize on someone being less productive than a genuine scumread on her. Feels more like "she's playing in a way worth limming someone over" than like "Ydrasse is scum" if that makes any sense. + she generally feels a bit townie.

Lean-town.

16

T-Bone

- I'm mostly indifferent. Very question-oriented in a way that reminds me more of scum gameplay than townie gameplay, though.

Null-leanscum.

My big conspiracy theory I hope is right is Furtive lunar/Firebringer solar. If there's anything disproving this please never bring it up, I wanna keep believing in it

I'll VOTE: Firebringer because I think solar cult dying might be a bit better.

[Meuh]

I'm sorry for not checking you

[Meuh]

I'm sorry for not checking you

If you believe in furtive and fire Solar
Furtive is voting fire
Dangle and I are voting furtive

Can I sell you furtive?

You proabably could, yeah!

[Meuh]

partial hardclaim

This seems oxymoronic

[Meuh]

*please* *gives puppy eyes*

Sometimes when playing mafia I feel lost. Who to vote for? Are my reads right? Am I even playing this game correctly in the first place? It's scary, it's anxiety-inducing, it's soul-crushing, but this post has shone a bright light on this otherwise confusing game. I now truly know that Furtive is scum, that they must be eliminated. In so few words, you conveyed your point so eloquently, so completely, so convincingly. It's not perspective, it's not opinion, it's fact.
Furtive truly is scum and I thank you for making me realize this through your magnificent choice of words.
Hell not only did this completely change my view of this game, but of mafia more broadly. Actually that's doing it a disservice, every single day I will keep being positively influenced by the enlightenment that is post 5053. The pinnacle of mafia, the pinnacle of truth, the pinnacle of what matters. So elegant yet brazen, so nuanced yet simplistic, it's hard to put into words the impact of this post. I'm crying tears of joy, I do not know when they'll stop, and more importantly I don't think I want them to. Truly, this post has been life-changing and I'm not sure in which way I could best express this gratitude I most certainly owe you for the life-altering experience that was witnessing this post, that was addressed to me of all people!

VOTE: furtiveglance

[Meuh]

partial hardclaim

This seems oxymoronic

How so? I didn’t even want to claim that much yet but yes, our flip does impact the game. This will be 100% be proven true and I’m specifically referring to our role here. Our role directly impacts the game once we de.

I'm not questioning your claim, nor do I think you should out more than you already have (considering you seem to think it'd be bad). The wording of a "partial hardclaim" just stuck out to me!

[Meuh]

What does it mean to role watch? Do you learn what roles visit them?

I only learn if they were targeted by a kill or some negative ability

. Unlike a normal watcher, I don’t know who targeted them

You’re not reading Math, CSF said kill OR negative ability. That means that Solar does in fact have a killing ability.

There’s no logical reason why CSF would have that specified in their role pm if kills did not exist.

I'm pretty sure Math thinks solar has a factional convert and lunar has a factional kill.

[Meuh]

Sure why not

VOTE: Enchant

[Meuh]

5135 isn't too unreasonable after the unwnd flip and with mastina and math as two town reads of mine

VOTE: Enchant

Anyone opposed to this?

I think this post looks bad fwiw but since it's multiball I get to pile onto this vote anyways

[Meuh]

5135 isn't too unreasonable after the unwnd flip and with mastina and math as two town reads of mine

VOTE: Enchant

Anyone opposed to this?

I think this post looks bad fwiw but since it's multiball I get to pile onto this vote anyways

It’s with furtive who I also think is Solar but I don’t think Furtive or PPF get votes for an elim.

Yeah CSF/Furtive solar/solar is reasonable

I feel like a Furtive elim is possible? But maybe not at this general activity level. Guess Enchant works fine and hopefully we're better off tomorrow.

[Meuh]

Yeah, I just want people to die and more nights to happen at this point...

[Meuh]

Hmm can't say I've formed a good opinion on most people's potential cult alignment (haven't checked people's thoughts on yesterday's vote much tbh)

RR/T-bone both make more sense as lunar than as solar.

I recall something about some Firebringer posts from day 2 looking more solar than lunar?

I think CSF looks more solar, which then makes Furtive look more solar and Enchant look more lunar, but the thoughts on the latter 2 hinge on CSF being solar in the first place and not on their individual gameplay.

[Meuh]

If the theory is true that ppl with Night actions = Lunar attunement and ppl with Noon actions = Solar attunment, then I literally can't be Solar since I can only act Nights

I mean if you're solar you could also just be making your whole claim up though?

[Meuh]

VOTE: Furtive

[Meuh]

I’m still town

[Meuh]

Ooh who gets to hammer? :0

[Meuh]

Oh you’re right! Gn everyone, hopefully see you all on the next day

[Meuh]

^

[Meuh]

Yeah I don't have a claim for you guys. I'm just gonna call you bad for voting me instead. A few of my voters seem to be claiming to half townread me, idk what that means.

[Meuh]

Inb4 “But guys I just said I didn’t have a claim! That doesn’t mean I wasn’t gonna claim later, smh… you’re all throwing”
Scarf’s interpretation of that post is far from outlandish, that was also my main takeaway from that sentence.

[Meuh]

I'm so lost atp

[Meuh]

Welcome Porkens!

[Meuh]

Ooh that's really cool actually

[Meuh]

I think we're losing rn? So that's a fun situation to come back to
I wonder about the lack of death, though

[Meuh]

summary of public mech would be appreciated

During noon 1, I found out that Unwnd is attuned with the sun, therefore confirmed not lunar cult.

[Meuh]

Been busy irl, will give thoughts later since I see votes on me, in class rn

[Meuh]

Like I could see Mastina Slot/T-Bone/PPF
But like I can really only see any of them being a wolf if it’s together.

Why T-Bone in this group?

[Meuh]

Listen Meuh vibes are off to me. I don't know what it is but i come in here and im immediately like. Yep Meuh is def scum.

I'm just a poor townie!

[Meuh]

Listen Meuh vibes are off to me. I don't know what it is but i come in here and im immediately like. Yep Meuh is def scum.

Kinda vibe that.

But I have a selfish reason for Meuh slot to live to tomorrow then elim it.

Mathblade scientifically calculating the worst reads possible

[Meuh]

I think we're losing rn? So that's a fun situation to come back to
I wonder about the lack of death, though

This post made my scum alarms break

Furtive flipping town made me feel real shitty about the state of the game. Their late posts just read as trolly scum and I was annoyed with them so a town flip just... ugh
I do think the no death and prof returning means we're probably not doing terribly (though the former could mean conversion game... which :/)
Though I feel like if this was a conversion game, I'd be cult by now? But maybe that's giving my slot too much importance. Feels like scum would want to do something about my ability at least

[Meuh]

Though I feel like if this was a conversion game, I'd be cult by now? But maybe that's giving my slot too much importance. Feels like scum would want to do something about my ability at least

Which also makes CSF's claim more believable to me, fwiw

[Meuh]

I probably won't vote meuh tbh. She was targeted during Noon, so she's probably not Solar, and then she can act on Noons, and I'm currently thinking that means she can't be Lunar.

Second premise I already suggested yesterday doesn’t hold.

I acted at Dusk but am blessed by Sun God.

The first premise I don’t believe?

I am assuming recruits yes.

You should believe the first!! Fair to the second

However, if we're unable to cross off people as either not Lunar or not Solar based off of might actions alone, then... Is it just me or does town have so little power?

The more I think on this: What if you’re the “negative utility” that hit Meuh?

If CSF is scum who hit me with neg utility... why would she claim that it happened? Like if I die to poison or my results get tampered with or something... doesn't she look bad when she could've distanced herself from me entirely? Or maybe her having that accurate "negative utility" result makes her more believable... idk I don't really see it

[Meuh]

VOTE: Meuh

This is probably what I'll do today

VOTE: Dingle Dangle Scarecrow

I have role-related knowledge that someone either tried to kill Meuh

or

used a negative utility action on her during the “Noon” phase

Yume has been my strongest tr since I unvoted her, so that makes CSF pretty much locktown for me.

And this also makes it extremely likely that I was right about Mastina being town.

@Prof

Why are people ignoring this? MMR spewed Meuh not Lunar and how does CSF gets this result if Meuh is Solar?

CSF is Lunar poisoning Solar Meuh.
CSF is lying.

I consider very few people not Lunar because MMR’s claim seems so bad to be intentional.

I'm confused by the scum!CSF POV here.

[Meuh]

Why does Lunar scum!CSF perform a negative action on Solar scum!Meuh then claim that? Why does CSF do that based on the above?

Yeah, this

Prof can be town for page 226

VOTE: Meuh if CSF is true I feel Meuh has to be converted.

??????? Didn't you just say CSF was scum?

VOTE: Meuh if CSF is true I feel Meuh has to be converted.

What's the evidence for this? Day play wise

Meuh has been very quiet despite the TRs and not doing anything despite being vocal before.

It’s a noted shift.

Also working off premises if your power is true then when me or DDS die (hence the Unvote) then it’s likely a scum team goes from recruits to kills.

So premise A: Assume CSF is telling the truth.
Meuh wasn’t targeted with a burn unless RR and TBone are scum
Meuh wasn’t targeted with a kill (still could be wrong about the burn thing being a recruit but doesn’t matter for this example here because Meuh can’t be hit by burn without RR and TBone scum)
Meuh wasn’t targeted with a block because Meuh got a result
Meuh likely wasn’t targeted with a redirect as no evidence the result is wrong
So a recruit is the most likely option for that neg utility.

What TRs? I'm not sure what that first sentence means.
I think there could be some weird powers that constitute as "negative" without being listed above. Especially considering the weird roles in this game (I'm an astrologer, lmao), not really sure what that could be, though. Maybe scum have something that negatively interacts with attunement? Or an ability that only works on a restricted group of people (based on attunement or alignment), so I was targeted by such a thing and it failed? I can't say I find it easy to narrow down what "negative" could really mean here, but I also don't think that it being unclear makes CSF or myself scum.

[Meuh]

Meow~

[Meuh]

You may have scritches too but I still think you’re scum.

*gives scritches*

Could a cat really be scum?

[Meuh]

That's true, actually... my cats would most definitely be scum.

[Meuh]

like the phase names that ive been going ??? since i joined

Did you not realize what they were? and like never asked about it??? while roles (like mine, I act only at noon) and a lot of speculation has been made that hinges on those names? and it's explained in the setup info??
This feels like a fake dumbtell cause idk how you can genuinely think this

[Meuh]

Let me repost what my role is for convenience:

I'm a Town Limited Astrologer.

During the noon (and only noon) phase, I get to target a player and learn their "attunement", which is either sun or moon.
All solar cult members have a sun attunement, all lunar cult members have a moon attunement.
Some members of the town sun attuned, some members of the town are moon attuned. This is determined non-randomly before the game.
Functionally this means that someone with a sun attunement can't be lunar cult, and someone with a moon attunement can't be solar cult. So I get to clear a player from being in one of the cults.
I'm "limited" in the players I can target. (There's one specific limitation that's pointed out that I won't mention because it could be marginally +town not I think?). Some events may prevent me from targeting a player, which I'll be informed of if it occurs.

At the end of dusk 1 (functionally day 1), I seem to have passively learned that I can't target Mathblade or DDS with my ability. (I assume this is from the "being informed of events preventing me from targeting" thing)
At the end of noon 1 (functionally night 2), I checked Unwnd, and learned that they were attuned with the sun. (Therefore not Lunar Cult)

[Meuh]

VOTE: Meuh if CSF is true I feel Meuh has to be converted.

What's the evidence for this? Day play wise

Meuh has been very quiet despite the TRs and not doing anything despite being vocal before.

It’s a noted shift.

Vocal compared to yesterDay? I don't remember her being that vocal then either, and today has just started.

She was vocal about her reads list. She came in loud intentionally on Dusk with info. There’s been a steady decrease in activity. I might have the day wrong as it blurs, but it’s noticable

I came in loud on dusk because I was excited to play + I actually had info to voice. I didn't get any new info last night so I have nothing to add when it comes to that.
Vocal about my reads list? I made a reads list to properly get a basic look at everyone and then didn't mention said list again.
I'm not really sure what the "less vocal" point is, aside from me being slightly busier than usual for like a ~48 hour period, which I really don't think should be the basis for anything.

[Meuh]

Let me repost what my role is for convenience:

I'm a Town Limited Astrologer.

During the noon (and only noon) phase, I get to target a player and learn their "attunement", which is either sun or moon.
All solar cult members have a sun attunement, all lunar cult members have a moon attunement.
Some members of the town sun attuned, some members of the town are moon attuned. This is determined non-randomly before the game.
Functionally this means that someone with a sun attunement can't be lunar cult, and someone with a moon attunement can't be solar cult. So I get to clear a player from being in one of the cults.
I'm "limited" in the players I can target. (There's one specific limitation that's pointed out that I won't mention because it could be marginally +town not I think?). Some events may prevent me from targeting a player, which I'll be informed of if it occurs.

At the end of dusk 1 (functionally day 1), I seem to have passively learned that I can't target Mathblade or DDS with my ability. (I assume this is from the "being informed of events preventing me from targeting" thing)
At the end of noon 1 (functionally night 2), I checked Unwnd, and learned that they were attuned with the sun. (Therefore not Lunar Cult)

this is in line with mastina crumbs in early game (I'm on page 73 she hasn't claimed)

was it possible for you to say something before unwnd was shot?

I claimed that info before Mathblade shot Unwnd

[Meuh]

are we certain right now that cults can recruit or not?

no. In fact, MegA said that this game has "minimum" bastard elements in the Large Theme Queue, and I feel like alignment changes are very significant. If there are alignment changes, I'd assume it's heavily gated. This is just speculation on my part, but I'd personally be annoyed if there were significant, unannounced cult recruiting abilities.

but I also don't have anything to explain why there are no deaths. I hate that the factional abilities are redacted, because it feels like we're running around like headless chickens, presupposing on what the mech

could

be without knowing what it actually is

I don't see the point on having "sun townies" and "moon townies" if there is no conversion mech

I kind of agree, but the lack of other people claiming roles that mention attunement kind of makes me doubt this. Also, if townies didn't have attunement, my role would be a cop, any sun or moon check would find scum. Actually, it'd be even better than a cop since I'd get to know the specific faction.
So attunement may have been made up for my role's sake? Maybe a bit too self-important but it'd be a reasonable mechanic to balance an investigative role like mine.

[Meuh]

Yeah that's fair, I don't think my role's mechs checking out with yours necessarily should make me town in your eyes, just sucks that I actually am

Pedit: I don't think Math needs to out anything more, I think he's revealed what he's felt is good to say.

[Meuh]

At the end of dusk 1 (functionally day 1), I seem to have passively learned that I can't target Mathblade or DDS with my ability. (I assume this is from the "being informed of events preventing me from targeting" thing)

This is the bit that makes little sense to me. There is zero reason why you shouldn't be able to target us with a simple investigative role. This part would make a lot more sense as a mechanic if your actual role was 'Cult Recruiter' and you couldn't target us because we'd become unrecruitable.

My role literally has “limited” in its name, and considering whatever was going with you and Mathblade, I’d say it’s perfectly reasonable for me not to be able to check you guys. You’re already confirmed not to be part of one cult, so maybe I can’t check you guys because I potentially completely clear one of you? My role feels weak so I assume it was made to not be able to clear someone from more than 1 cult.

[Meuh]

Oh thanks Junko for voicing that same idea

[Meuh]

I'm happy I get to be Mastina, because reading her sounds tough...

[Meuh]

Ooh. That makes a lot of sense

[Meuh]

We are a beloved princess. If we die during the day, the game jumps to the opposing night. So if we die during dusk, game jumps to noon. If we die during dawn, game jumps to night. So if a scumteam miseliminates us, or gets Math to shoot, they get rewarded with a night phase.

Hence why MMR fakes a guilty on us. If it would have worked, they get an extra night. They started with no result so they wouldn't be eliminated after our flip but bungled the claim.

We didn't want Solar to be aware of this information as well, so we held off claiming.

~Titus

So incredibly pro me but I am not sure if that is pro town.

Ugh.

Same problem with Meuh.

I'd say PPF's role makes even more sense as a town role than mine does, tbh. (though I think me being lunar is highly unlikely cause of MMR being investigative, I can see how people could see me as a solar investigative)
Unless it's entirely made up, which would be pretty bold and unlikely.
PPF would be thrown UTB by now if scum, right?

[Meuh]

Actually maybe PPF doesn't get thrown UTB, considering activity + the fact this is a multiball (bussing is much less powerful I'd say)

Still think they're town

[Meuh]

I think that's how the setup is built. Lots of roles with powers on the smaller side that all together make an adequate amount of town power. My own role makes me think the setup was designed not to have roles that have too much power in general. (Though Mathblade's seems to contradict this, his role seems to have a bunch of power. But also a bunch of caveats? So I could still see it exist in an ocean of weaker roles)

[Meuh]

I might be understanding wrong but what does it mean mech wise that the Game goes to the opposing night? Scum gets to use abilities twice?

Some roles can only use abilities on specific night. So if someone can only act on noon, then noon gets skipped; they don't get to act for a while. If someone can only act on noon and the night gets skipped; they get to act 2 nights in a row, rather than having to wait.

[Meuh]

UNVOTE:

If we don’t do PPF today do you promise to check them?

Who is this addressed to?
If it’s to me I could check PPF, Idk what else to do really

[Meuh]

UNVOTE:

If we don’t do PPF today do you promise to check them?

Who is this addressed to?
If it’s to me I could check PPF, Idk what else to do really

Sounds good to me. I want to see what PPF comes up as.

Alright that works. PPF only really makes sense as solar, right? So I could potentially softclear them, then.
I think the best use of my ability is on someone who's very unlikely/confirmed not to be in one cult already, makes my result much more meaningful.

[Meuh]

Hmm.
So there's 4 alignment/attunement combos possible here:

Moon

Town

Sun

Town

Moon

Lunar

Sun

Solar

("Lunar" and "Solar" are the cult names, "Moon" and "Sun" are the attunement terms used for my role.)

Players with a lower amount of these combinations that make sense would be the best check here, since a result would be more meaningful.
I think it's unlikely to remove any of the possible

Town

+ either attunement combinations, since we have no real basis for determining a townie's potential attunement.
This means my role is unlikely to conf someone as scum, but could conf someone as a townie.
Therefore the best pick would be someone who's unlikely to be either

Moon

Lunar

or

Sun

Solar

.

If I get a

Moon

result on someone unlikely to be

Moon

Lunar

, they're very likely town.
If I get a

Sun

result on someone unlikely to be

Sun

Solar

, they're very likely to be town.

So essentially, someone who doesn't make sense as a member of one cult should be checked.
Our best lead towards that is probably MMR's lim and everything surrounding it, but I didn't read any of it
Scum are unlikely to spill partners, but I could see them spill people they aren't partnered with.
So I think the best option is to look for someone who doesn't make sense as an MMR partner and hope we get a

Moon

result to clear them.

[Meuh]

This wagon composition is good

[Meuh]

Maybe that was a sign that I am indeed town

[Meuh]

At the end of dusk 1 (functionally day 1), I seem to have passively learned that I can't target Mathblade or DDS with my ability. (I assume this is from the "being informed of events preventing me from targeting" thing)
At the end of noon 1 (functionally night 2), I checked Unwnd, and learned that they were attuned with the sun. (Therefore not Lunar Cult)

I'm not calling you out by quoting this, I'm looking for clarification.

But I thought we collectively deduced that VTs don't have attunement? It seems PRs are told their attunement yeah?

Pretty sure they aren't. Unwnd had an attunement and was VT. No one has said they know their attunements (I don't).
My role pm's wording does make it possible for a townie not to have one, but I doubt that's the case; it'd make me able to insta-clear people, plus Unwnd had an attunement.

[Meuh]

To be clear, my role pm says that "some" town members are sun attuned and "some" town members are moon attuned.

This wording could realistically mean both "some but not all" or "all" but things have pointed towards everyone having one.

Pedit: PPF and RR have both claimed PRs without claiming attunement, right? I don't think either of them have mentioned knowing theirs.

[Meuh]

There's a specific thing about my role that also makes recruitment more likely
I just hope it isn't

Also yeah, I think they all happened on noon 1.

[Meuh]

There's a specific thing about my role that also makes recruitment more likely
I just hope it isn't

Also yeah, I think they all happened on noon 1.

Can you elaborate on this?

Yeah, I should. Part of what makes my role "limited" is that I can't target the same player more than once...
Which only really makes sense as a restriction if people's attunements could change.
Recruitment is the most likely way for attunements to change, so that's likely it.

[Meuh]

As the sun begins to set, a ray of sunlight catches onto Mathblade and surrounds him. Likewise, as the moon rises the moonlight surrounds Dingle Dangle Scarecrow. They are surrounded by radiant and ethereal light.

Mathblade is blessed by the solar god Helius. He cannot be aligned with the Lunar Cult. If he was eliminated during this phase, the Solar Cult would have been vanilaised. The Solar Cult was the only group with access to this information.

Dingle Dangle Scarecrow is blessed by the lunar goddess Luna. They cannot be aligned with the Solar Cult. If they were eliminated during this phase, the Lunar Cult would have been vanilaised. The Lunar Cult was the only group with access to this information.

I have this strange sentation, that shit is gonna go down next night

there's no resistance to DDS

If DDS is scum then we also have to flip Math. Which is fine!

But I don't see a world where they are town/scum. They are either both town or opposing scum.

Why is that?

What stops a wolf from naming 1 town and 1 teammate?

Who said anything about them being named?

VOTE: Professor

Do YOU not understand?
You realize MMR said “You and Dingle are Traitors”
This is my take on that and how I disagree with T-Bones take.

@Prof
"What stops a wolf from naming 1 town and 1 teammate?"
I think the way this was worded made it sound like you thought scum picked Mathblade and DDS for that event, rather than you referring to MMR calling DDS/Mathblade potential traitors. That was my initial impression of it before you elaborated.

That event is a pretty clear reason why MMR would call those 2 specifically traitors, idk if you forgot about it or just thought it'd be irrelevant.

[Meuh]

I just think there was a chain of miscommunication

[Meuh]

I just think there was a chain of miscommunication

Either that or a slip, i had to read it like three times tho

Okay so what I think happened:

T-bone said Mathblade/DDS can't be town/scum (because of them both being mod-confirmed not to be in a cult at the same time)

Prof thinks the reason why Mathblade/DDS can't be town/scum is that MMR mentioned that they could be traitors before dying.
Prof didn't remember the whole dusk 1 thing with Mathblade/DDS and assumed T-bone was referring to MMR saying they could be traitors.
Prof says that a wolf could "name 1 town and 1 teammate", in reference to what MMR said.

To T-bone (and others, including me), this sounds like a slip, like Prof is saying that scum chose Mathblade/DDS on dusk 1.

Prof still doesn't get it and doubles down.

[Meuh]

Yeah but ok like.
They are only confirmed not in one faction.
They aren’t IC’s.
One can be town and one can be Lunar/Solar. They aren’t IC’s.

Okay yes we can talk about that
but I think the important thing was clarifying that you didn't scumslip... cause you made yourself look horrendous.

I do agree that they could be town/scum, especially since the scumteams don't seem to be equivalent to each other. Since they're likely acting on opposing phases and abilities I think are different, I doubt these scumteams are mirrors of each other. I think lunar cult can probably recruit, but has smaller numbers. I think solar cult has more initial members, no recruit, but a factional kill (which would be "burn").
So essentially with these teams not being even in those ways, I wouldn't be surprised if one of them had a member involved in the day 1 stuff, and the other didn't.
Also could be that the 2 people were picked through some other means where their alignments were irrelevant/could go both ways.
Anyways yeah I don't think DDS and Mathblade's alignments means too much about the other's.

[Meuh]

Yeah ima say the Lunar are Ydrass/Dingle.

I have absolutely no idea on the Solar.

You think there's only 2 lunar left here?

[Meuh]

Maybe the cults are just filled with lovely people who don't wanna harm anyone! <3

[Meuh]

6148

[Meuh]

Yeah, all of this just makes me more convinced DDS is a good lim here

[Meuh]

Yeah, all of this just makes me more convinced DDS is a good lim here

Explain

I have this strange sentation, that shit is gonna go down next night

there's no resistance to DDS

If DDS is scum then we also have to flip Math. Which is fine!

But I don't see a world where they are town/scum. They are either both town or opposing scum.

This specific framing is good for a DDS partner to put out. It puts Mathblade as a hurdle to scumreading DDS and provides a good excuse not to vote for DDS.
If DDS flips scum, poof you can get Mathblade out. Regardless of Mathblade being solar or town, this is a good thing to put out there for lunar!T-bone.

DDS's only possible scumteam is lunar. T-bone's only possible scumteam is lunar. (if RR is telling the truth, which I think they are)

At first I thought T-bone defending DDS would be too bad of a look to attempt. However, the lunar team is down a number and probably doesn't get to do much during noon, so desperation could be a driving force.
On top of this, it's not even a direct defence, and "I was going after a scumslip!" is a perfect excuse to distract us from a DDS lim. Especially considering Prof looked pretty terrible to a lot of people, not just T-bone.

Plus T-bone/Prof just... doesn't look T/T here. There's no way both of them were acting in good faith all throughout. I think Prof looks townier and has a townier claim with the whole leaving the game thing, so also not great for T-bone.
I think Prof didn't scumslip and T-bone's certainty on it looks agenda-motivated. To be clear, I could see a townie end up thinking it was a scumslip. However, there's no sign of reconsideration or hesitation at all, nor actually engaging with the perspective that it wasn't a slip. I reconsidered it being a slip after Prof posted some more, Junko wasn't too sure on it. That's how I expect a townie to think. T-bone saw an opportunity and simply took it.

Doesn't help that DDS' recent posting generally doesn't feel too solvy so it doesn't change my perspective.

So yeah I'm sold on DDS/T-bone being lunar together and idrc which scum team we go for, especially when I'm not really convinced on any solars.

[Meuh]

Yeah, I quite honestly don't feel super strongly about your gameplay directly. It's more the circumstances/the way people are acting in regards to you/POE that make me think you're scum.

Like you just

make sense

as scum here and nothing from the way you've been playing really contradicts that to me.

[Meuh]

[Meuh]

UNVOTE:
For now at least
Hope we can get your actions confirmed at the very least

[Meuh]

That's a very vague crumb... did you crumb at any other point?

[Meuh]

T-bone can you confirm you got the result?

[Meuh]

T-bone can you confirm you got the result?

I got a mod message the follow phase saying I was targeted for a burn but it failed.

Rat claimed to have protected me from this action. Now DDS has claimed they are the reason I have gotten that message.

So like, it's weirdly specific that both actions would result in this message. Why wasn't my message "you were targeted for a burn and you were protected?" That might be semantics on my part. That's an oddly specific fakeclaim if it was fake though, yeah? Rat/DDS could coordinate if they are scum together but that seems like a nonsensical long term play? While I was universally town read I'm not the town leader.

So the tldr is that I think both actions are true and I have confirmation of it. For the rest of you that ties me to two slots as possible partners.

DDS is claiming to have illuminated you night 1. So you would've gotten a message on that night, not on noon 1 when the burn stuff happened.
Did you get a message at the end of night 1 telling you who targeted you?

[Meuh]

If no one else targets them, they'll be told no one targeted them

Everyone should get a message, regardless of if they've actually been targeted by anyone other than DDS or not.

[Meuh]

Ooh, interesting
I hope Ydrasse has juicy information then, otherwise I'm scared about the validity of the claim

[Meuh]

botched claims -The game

Is this the part where I claim masons with you?

Didn't you forget? We're masons...

[Meuh]

One way to verify DDS role is to have them use it on PPF since meuh will be on PPF

Verifying their role doesn't make them town though, and I'm still struggling to see the intended use of their role

Finally a purpose for my role!

[Meuh]

botched claims -The game

Is this the part where I claim masons with you?

I'm obviously interestelar cop who dies if i'm limed sopleasedontlimimveryimportant but i can't use My power until noon 14 if the 33% chance of it being a blue moon phase comes to reality

Now you have me curious if there's gonna be some cool astrological event that mixes up the game, like an eclipse or something :0

[Meuh]

I feel like the utility of it would come in potentially disproving a scum claim or catching scum perform an action they didn't want us to know about? Though I feel like with 2 people claiming some sort of watcher role, scum are gonna be real careful with their claims regardless.

Pedit: ooh you're right, could also be delayed kills like some sort of poison or arsonist shenanigans.
One thing about me and DDS being on the same target is that I feel the info we get from it is limited? I think even the people who scumread me think my claim is real (but just from a different alignment) and DDS's power being confirmed isn't too great either because they could be scum who has that power. So like it'd work but idk if we get much out of it.

[Meuh]

yeah.. my vote is not moving

You can think lying as town is anti-town, but I honestly don't really see how scum!DDS benefits from lying about people always getting a message at all, with 3 different targets that are all alive it would almost always be confirmed to be a lie.

[Meuh]

every time you use that emoji i just want to lim you more

How rude...

[Meuh]

I received the failed burn message on Noon 1 to be clear. I didn't receive a message at any other point.

Unless burner is literal ninja, T-Bone should had received two messages

One that they got burned
And second is message telling WHO did that

DDS picked T-bone night 1.
T-bone was burned noon 1.
These were separate phases.

Pedit: yeah

[Meuh]

VOTE: Enchant
I'm fine with this for today

[Meuh]

I'm not sure. He doesn't feel that scummy to me.
...but I'm now remembering that I said almost this exact sentence before in another game where Enchant was scum
I'll consider it

Fun fact:
I am was mafia MORE THAT ONCE.

Does it make me mafia in this game is different matter. Experts say "fuck we don't know don't ask us"

This post reads like "I'm being scumread for the wrong reasons"

[Meuh]

I think Enchant is solar scum though... and nothing anyone is saying makes me rethink this
Would be nice if anyone actually had some sort of substantial defence of Enchant instead of very vague townreads

Who is 6444 referring to? My slot?
I'm town, fyi

[Meuh]

Oh I think 6444 is about DDS

[Meuh]

Would be nice if anyone actually had some sort of substantial defence of Enchant instead of very vague townreads

I'm town, fyi

Hypocrite level: High

I'm not saying you have to defend yourself constructively, just as I'm not defending myself constructively. I don't have a read on myself, you don't have a read on yourself, we know our alignments so there's no need to justify our opinions on ourselves.
RR, Prof and the others townreading you are the ones who should substantiate their defences of you, not yourself. They're the ones who should have constructive opinions. This isn't hypocrisy.

[Meuh]

You also need to accuse me constructively.

You suck at it.

True!

Something something POE, here's my constructive argument

[Meuh]

</3

[Meuh]

At this point a lim on Ydrasse/Enchant/Toog slot I'm all okay with, though I'll vote for DDS if the deadline isn't frozen to make sure we at least get a lim through.

[Meuh]

At this point a lim on Ydrasse/Enchant/Toog slot I'm all okay with, though I'll vote for DDS if the deadline isn't frozen to make sure we at least get a lim through.

Actually Firebringer too, but I don't think a lim there goes through today with the way people have been treating them.

[Meuh]

At this point a lim on Ydrasse/Enchant/Toog slot I'm all okay with, though I'll vote for DDS if the deadline isn't frozen to make sure we at least get a lim through.

who of those you think is more likely to be scum and why?

Toog's read town to me a decent amount iirc, I'm not super excited for a vote there but it's one I can see go through and I don't think the downside is too bad if Toog does happen to be town.
Enchant has like 1 or 2 posts I'm iffy on but nothing conclusive, I'm notably bad at reading them

I'll actually VOTE: Ydrasse here because her apathy feels uncharacteristic.
I've played with town!Ydrasse who felt disconnected from the game but she still felt like she actually cared to some extent? Like she had feelings about the game even if lost and not that connected. So this feels a bit off.

Can't say I'm super confident in my reads at this point in general, T-Bone/DDS being scum I was sold on, but then DDS's claim and T-Bone's behaviour around it just felt right. Now with T-Bone looking a bit townier and DDS having some sort of info to provide it's looking less good to lim over there.

This gamestate just feels bad and I think our biggest obstacle as a town is going to be actually being able to effectively and actively work together, those 3 slots feel like we can maybe agree on them and the downside if they're town isn't too harsh. Maybe that's a bad perspective to have but it's the one I have at this point.

[Meuh]

VC 4.0.7


Dingle Dangle Scarecrow (4) Radical Rat, Junkochan, professotic, Mathblade [E-3]

Meuh (3) Firebringer, Ydrasse, Enchant

Enchant (1) Meuh
Professotic (1) T-Bone,


Not Voting (4): Porkens, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow, Past Present Future , Cat Scratch Fever,

With 13 Alive it takes 7 to eliminate
Deadline: 1 day*
*Deadline Frozen for Porkens Replacement

Maybe DDS is just scum, actually
This VC points to that in my eyes

[Meuh]

Can we kill atleast SOME scum, how you even deduce which of which, because i hell have no idea

you see, this is how I know Enchant is town here, I'm sitting here watching people say you are solar! you are lunar! and I'm thinking how the f you know? they can be scummmy yes, but except for a few cases, how are you so certain?

I mean to be fair, DDS and T-bone are 2 of the players we have real mechanical reasons to think are not aligned with a specific team, so with Prof so stuck on them it's not surprising for their POV to center on that. (though maybe they're a bit too focused on it)
I also just want any scum dead here, though.

Pedit: Yeah, same thought as CSF here, this is why I think CSF is town, a lot of mindmeld

[Meuh]

Maybe DDS is just scum, actually
This VC points to that in my eyes

Because you're the counter wagon in this VC or something else?

Yeah, me being the counter-wagon. Also I didn't realize I even had that many votes + there's a contrast in wagon quality that makes me feel like this isn't just 2 different town wagons yknow? Just looking at it bugs me, but maybe that's just cause I don't like the fact there's votes on me.

[Meuh]

Pedit: Yeah, same thought as CSF here, this is why I think CSF is town, a lot of mindmeld

Still got a lot of partner equity here. You are just such a reasonable person that it overrides my desire to read your slot as scum argh

Heehee I'll take that as a compliment, ty
Partner equity in me/CSF? That's fair honestly, we've been lined up on a lot of things. Tbh I wonder why partnered CSF and I would claim the negative action thing in a game highly speculated to have conversion, though. A few (irl) days ago I realized that CSF mentioning the negative action thing could've actually been a nudge by scum!CSF to me being converted that just never materialized to anything meaningful, which is my main concern regarding them at this point (this and potential pocketing, but why pocket me of all people?)

[Meuh]

Pedit: Yeah, same thought as CSF here, this is why I think CSF is town, a lot of mindmeld

Still got a lot of partner equity here. You are just such a reasonable person that it overrides my desire to read your slot as scum argh

Heehee I'll take that as a compliment, ty
Partner equity in me/CSF? That's fair honestly, we've been lined up on a lot of things. Tbh I wonder why partnered CSF and I would claim the negative action thing in a game highly speculated to have conversion, though. A few (irl) days ago I realized that CSF mentioning the negative action thing could've actually been a nudge by scum!CSF to me being converted that just never materialized to anything meaningful, which is my main concern regarding them at this point (this and potential pocketing, but why pocket me of all people?)

What do you mean by this? A nudge that you were converted? You think you wouldn't know, why?

Idk what that last sentence means here.
I'm saying CSF could've said I got hit by a negative ability to make it look like I had been converted, even though I wasn't. Plant seeds of doubt to set up a lim (or at least confusion) later on.

[Meuh]

Ohhhhh did you think I was saying CSF could've been nudging to

me

that I had been converted? (but I somehow wouldn't be aware of this)
I worded that idea poorly, my bad.

[Meuh]

If you can DDS before you leave restate your claim. Thanks.

I go into work at half past, sorry mate, on my lunch break now tho

I'm a Town Illuminator, I target people and they learn what players targeted them that night (minus myself). If no one else targets them, they get no message. I targeted T-Bone N1, Ydrasse N2, Scarf N3.

[Meuh]

We're on the same page. I have the Toog slot (I think Porken now), Ydrasse, PPF in my PoE. I know you quoted a few posts of Toog and said "this is town" but can you explain why?

For someone who has Ydrass in their PoE I would never have expected that person to accidentally quote a post of me voting for them and then saying you miss clicked and not adding anything else on that subject.

It's a common phone bug, stop trying to turn it into an actual point.

We're on the same page. I have the Toog slot (I think Porken now), Ydrasse, PPF in my PoE. I know you quoted a few posts of Toog and said "this is town" but can you explain why?

And people seriously wonder why I’m not efforting more.

...because you're in people's POEs?

[Meuh]

This game would be more fun to play if most of it wasn't comprised of chains of miscommunication or personal attacks.
I'll pop in to more meaningfully engage at some point later, not feeling it after that back and forth.

[Meuh]

Notice how meuh never has once reacted to my push on her?
Not once to say I am scummy for it. Not once to argue or even find it annoying.
What does Mueh think if town? That I am annoying town?

Literally nothing.
Probably because doesn't want more attention to how right i am. Or is it because its 'weak'

I'm not giving attention to your vote just like I'm not giving attention to any other vote on me because there's nothing for me to talk about.
I remember 4 votes on me today and I could genuinely not give you solid reasons for those votes being placed.
Mathblade's vote I honestly can't remember why but I assume it was because I was like a puzzle piece that fit into the solve he liked at the time. Nothing wrong with that but nothing to engage with. If there was a read based on gameplay rather than mechs or circumstances, it was probably a read on Mastina being carried over.
Ydrasse just sheeped Mathblade's vote and it never went away.
Enchant and I just had a back and forth that ended up with them voting for me with no justification.
You had more to say but iirc it was just vibe-based and pointing at a few posts you were iffy about with little to no justification.

If you wanted the vote on me to get momentum the thing stopping you isn't me, it's you (and everyone else who jumped on the wagon) not actually giving a reason for the read existing. and as far as I can tell, the read on me is either mech-based (which I probably can't change anyone's minds on nor do I care to), Mastina-based (I wasn't in the game when she was, nor have I played with her before, nor do I care for justifying any of her gameplay, I didn't enjoy skimming her ISO) or some sort of puzzle-piece-within-a-solve-based (like me being scum with CSF, which honestly confuses me as a read but whatever)

I do find it all annoying, a push against me and nothing significant to respond to, but I don't care for seeking out the reasons for the votes of people who are either only vaguely connected to the game (Ydrasse, Enchant) or tunneled on me (you). It's not my responsibility to make you speak up.

Weak?

I literally am never wrong on mastina.
WHat horseshit is this.

What do I respond to this? I don't fucking know how Mastina plays, I don't know how well you read Mastina.

Spoiler: Firebringer talking about me

Listen Meuh vibes are off to me. I don't know what it is but i come in here and im immediately like. Yep Meuh is def scum.

I think we're losing rn? So that's a fun situation to come back to
I wonder about the lack of death, though

This post made my scum alarms break

Meuh and PPF are probably not on same team if both scum.
Would be pretty spicy if Meuh was Lunar considering MMR.
Wait could they even both be scum......hmmmmmmmmm

Survey feels like a no

Meuh and PPF are probably not on same team if both scum.
Would be pretty spicy if Meuh was Lunar considering MMR.
Wait could they even both be scum......hmmmmmmmmm

Survey feels like a no

Why do you say this? They feel very teamed to me.

too obvious to be teamed

Meuh and PPF are probably not on same team if both scum.
Would be pretty spicy if Meuh was Lunar considering MMR.
Wait could they even both be scum......hmmmmmmmmm

Survey feels like a no

Why can’t we both be town?

i can't see that as a possibiliy given all my other reads.

Tbone can i interest u in a meuh wagon

one of meuh/ppf
Enchant likely.

For possible people converted i would think T-Bone would be high up there as people I would convert if cult.

do u seriously think Meuh is town here tho?

well let it be known i do have a 100% success rate on mastina.
She has 0% success rate on me.

I doubt myself a bit later on mastina scum because of force replace out but with meuh and taking out the replace out.
I am certain of it.

well let it be known i do have a 100% success rate on mastina.
She has 0% success rate on me.

I doubt myself a bit later on mastina scum because of force replace out but with meuh and taking out the replace out.
I am certain of it.

God even Meuh is a better target right now imo

We have an open door policy

so how long we gonna be indecisive here.
no movement anywhere for days.
more votes on meuh pls

okay im going to pretend this is a sc2mafia game for a moment:

yall bad.
Sheep me to victory.
Vote CSF, votes on Meuh are also acceptable.
Do this we win, ggnore.

No counter arguments are accepted at this time.

How do you want me to respond to any of this????? Really????

As far as I can tell this message at the start of this day is the first time you even acknowledge my existence

Well now meuh is hard on my radar

and the vote follows soon after with little to no reasoning
and then every post is at best a vague allusion to me being scummy, otherwise a few posts talking about Mastina (I have nothing to say about her) or just nudging people towards voting for me without actually explaining why.
like holy fucking shit my guy, if you want me to engage with you, you should first look at what you're putting out there. There's little to nothing for me to respond to.
I've been frustrated with you (if you couldn't tell by 6518, I very much want you limmed) but voicing that frustration will never lead to anything good, especially since your vote seemed so devoid of real reasoning.

Fire, I’ll be honest if you have a residual scumread on Mastina, then I don’t remember the details about it because that’s before I replaced in. But I don’t agree with 5540

How about Meuh not stating one fricking opinion on my slot.
U know, cause if im town in meuh shoes the first thing i do is look at the people pushing me see where they are coming from. Meuh has done that 0 times.

But the people voting for me are literally just
-sheeping someone else
-someone I pissed off and who voted for me in response
-someone who placed a vote on me and quickly placed it somewhere else
-someone who suddenly decided there were like 2 posts from me they didn't like, so now they have a vague scumread on me (this is you, if you couldn't tell)
I'm usually eager to understand people's reasoning (regardless of alignment) but the momentum on me being so devoid of actual reasoning and disinterested in actually solving gives me 0 willingness to engage with it, so I didn't!

This isn't hard or rocket science and I want a townreasons u think Meuh is town. Not this mech stuff. What from Meuh in their posts that u see is town mindset. Where is it? What am I ignoring? What makes u so conf ur like 'no fire is wrong' when i had scumread on mastina, i had doubts because of replace out but decided that it was neutral given the context of situation. And I am not wrong on mastina ever.

Meuh actions have not once indicated town, and lack of action or response on me. Doens't inspire confidence. Even a dismissive 'ohh wrong town' would do something to make me think Meuh is examining me.

YOU'RE THE ONE WITH THE SCUMREAD. YOU'RE THE ONE WHO ISN'T ACTUALLY JUSTIFYING IT. YOU'RE THE ONE NOT CITING EXAMPLES FOR ME BEING SCUM APART FROM MY LIMITED ENGAGEMENT WITH YOUR AWFUL PUSH.
The most substantial thing in said push seems to be your read on Mastina (who you're apparently really good at reading) and even then you're not actually explaining why Mastina is scum, just making yourself more credible by saying how right you always are. If you're town (which I doubt, if a townie is playing like this we're hopeless), then nice work on being wrong for the first time. If you're scum, well done on finally pissing me off.

[Meuh]

Not my favorite vote because I really like meuh as a player but I just think she inherited a scum slot and this is the only vote people seem willing to do that isn't DDS.

My vote's still parked on Ydrasse.

[Meuh]

I don't like flooding the thread with frustration and negativity and I know I'll feel dumb about this later. But holy shit this push just feels so ridiculous and it's the climax of a string of horrid votes on me based little to no reasoning. What makes it worse is that it feels like this entire push is being framed by scum as being at least partially due to my current gameplay when it's just capitalizing off of leftover feelings about Mastina. I don't care about Mastina. I don't care if you're the best Mastina reader in the galaxy, and if you put me in a position where a large part of your point of view on me hinges on her I'm just perplexed at how you're expecting me to engage with your arguments. Just say it outright; Mastina's gameplay looked bad to you and because of that you scumread her, or are faking a scumread on her. I'm now her, so it carries over. Don't grasp at straws to justify a read on me, then turn my lack of a response to said grasping of straws as an opportunity to grasp even more straws. You could eradicate all sea life on earth with the amount of straws held between your fingers. I deeply hope Firebringer is scum. If not then I have 0 hope.

[Meuh]

i'm sorry i truly Cannot bring myself to like
think about or care about this game my joining was a courtesy
death is a blessing

This post feels like there's partners to be accountable for.

[Meuh]

i'm sorry i truly Cannot bring myself to like
think about or care about this game my joining was a courtesy
death is a blessing

This post feels like there's partners to be accountable for.

So the idea is that Ydrasse legit doesn't care about the game, but is scum and feels a bit bad for her buddies?

Fuck I don't think this is unreasonable.

Yeah. I think she's disengaged and not having fun with the game but also feels some small level of guilt for not helping her team more.
Pedit: I think investment is NAI here. Her feelings on the game regardless of investment I think is more meaningful. The apathy while also feeling some semblance of guilt for said apathy I think is a recipe for disaster. The non-invested town!Ydra I've played with seemed to be just so completely different from Ydra in this game. Feeling some intense emotion about it all despite the disconnect and making some at least small attempt to read as best as she could, rather than a check in once in a while. Could just be different circumstances but it feels so off.

[Meuh]

I don't know but Meuh is right every time we cite Mastina it's unfair to her as a player.

Eh I wouldn't say it's unfair to me to mention Mastina, I just think expecting me to speak for Mastina/defend her/engage with points that revolve around her is unfair. You're free to believe what you want about Mastina but at the end of the day I as an individual am not Mastina.

[Meuh]

@mueh are you still happy to be mastina?

Spoiler:

That post definitely aged poorly lmao

[Meuh]

The non-invested town!Ydra I've played with seemed to be just so completely different from Ydra in this game. Feeling some intense emotion about it all despite the disconnect and making some at least small attempt to read as best as she could, rather than a check in once in a while. Could just be different circumstances but it feels so off.

Like I was trying to tell furtive yesterday, this description feels quite a lot like how Ydrasse-town played in the last multiball game I played with her

Yeah I think we might have some different meta takeaways.
The one thing that makes me question my meta on Ydra here is that I think there was some sort of specific interactions with a player that made her a bit more emotionally invested in the game, but I'm not sure if that's a large enough factor to just... completely throw out all I know of disconnected-town-Ydra. She had moments where genuine want to solve the game shone through there, while the emotion coming through here is guilt for not being more engaged, which can very much come from scum.
I'm not an expert on reading her but it makes a lot of sense for her to be scum fmpov here.

[Meuh]

I do find it all annoying, a push against me and nothing significant to respond to, but I don't care for seeking out the reasons for the votes of people who are either only vaguely connected to the game (Ydrasse, Enchant) or tunneled on me (you). It's not my responsibility to make you speak up.

Okay whats ur read on me and why.

I think you're scum here. There's a kind of general weariness about limming you and a lack of momentum towards it that feels unwarraned considering most don't seem to townread you. Makes me feel like that general way you're being treated is because you have some buddies out there who are avoiding your existence to keep living for longer. Especially since multiball makes bussing less good, it feels off. That combined with the push on me that doesn't feel like it was made in good faith (though I've already said enough on that) and just general bad vibes.
I think the whole lack of momentum thing makes you more likely to be solar scum here (they likely have more numbers and are less crumbled considering MMR being gone), though I also think I had some reasons aside from that to believe you had more solar than lunar equity? I think something about the way you treated MMR when I skimmed you when making my readslist not too long after I subbed in.

[Meuh]

Can people do a read ordered list for me?

I am having trouble getting a sense of overall scope from people.

It can be towniest to scummiest or vice versa have multiple people same spot don’t care.

Just an overview of the game as a whole.

Likely town

Junko
Prof
Toogeloo
Radical Rat

Conflicted but a lot of good feelings

CSF
T-Bone

Conflicted but with less good feelings

PPF
DDS
Enchant

Likely scum

Firebringer
Ydrasse

(Loosely ordered, tiers are more meaningful but overall order is a bit relevant)

I'd include you but honestly you're one of those players in a situation where I just... don't really feel the need to read them? I don't think you make sense as a lim, you haven't pinged me too much one way or the other so I've kind of just been assuming you're always acting in good faith and rolling with that.
I considered not putting RR in this list for similar reasons, T-Bone just generally looks scummier and because of the way their claim is aligned, resolving T-Bone feels more meaningful and says more about RR than doing it the other way around. But I've given a bit more thought to solving RR and have some sort of thought on their alignment, whereas with you it's just kind of "meh, we'll see later".

Also I'm thinking T-Bone's a good check for tonight. PPF also looks like an alright check? I'd kind of like to use my ability on CSF to help resolve her but I'm not sure knowing her attunement actually does much, compared to the alternatives. I'm also still good with DDS visiting the same person so they can confirm their ability is real.

[Meuh]

I do find it all annoying, a push against me and nothing significant to respond to, but I don't care for seeking out the reasons for the votes of people who are either only vaguely connected to the game (Ydrasse, Enchant) or tunneled on me (you). It's not my responsibility to make you speak up.

Okay whats ur read on me and why.

I think you're scum here. There's a kind of general weariness about limming you and a lack of momentum towards it that feels unwarraned considering most don't seem to townread you. Makes me feel like that general way you're being treated is because you have some buddies out there who are avoiding your existence to keep living for longer. Especially since multiball makes bussing less good, it feels off. That combined with the push on me that doesn't feel like it was made in good faith (though I've already said enough on that) and just general bad vibes.
I think the whole lack of momentum thing makes you more likely to be solar scum here (they likely have more numbers and are less crumbled considering MMR being gone), though I also think I had some reasons aside from that to believe you had more solar than lunar equity? I think something about the way you treated MMR when I skimmed you when making my readslist not too long after I subbed in.

If you think Fire is scum, would you be willing to take up the 1v1?

Like we flip one of us and if they flip town we lim the other instead? Or just kill us both?
Meh honestly not really. I generally don't have a strong enough grasp on the game to commit to my reads in that way and a plan that involves me potentially dying doesn't sound too ideal. (especially if it involves me getting limmed today, I'm just about to get a new result, which could end up being pretty meaningful. Maybe my role will get to do something!)

[Meuh]

I do find it all annoying, a push against me and nothing significant to respond to, but I don't care for seeking out the reasons for the votes of people who are either only vaguely connected to the game (Ydrasse, Enchant) or tunneled on me (you). It's not my responsibility to make you speak up.

Okay whats ur read on me and why.

I think you're scum here. There's a kind of general weariness about limming you and a lack of momentum towards it that feels unwarraned considering most don't seem to townread you. Makes me feel like that general way you're being treated is because you have some buddies out there who are avoiding your existence to keep living for longer. Especially since multiball makes bussing less good, it feels off. That combined with the push on me that doesn't feel like it was made in good faith (though I've already said enough on that) and just general bad vibes.
I think the whole lack of momentum thing makes you more likely to be solar scum here (they likely have more numbers and are less crumbled considering MMR being gone), though I also think I had some reasons aside from that to believe you had more solar than lunar equity? I think something about the way you treated MMR when I skimmed you when making my readslist not too long after I subbed in.

If you think Fire is scum, would you be willing to take up the 1v1?

Like we flip one of us and if they flip town we lim the other instead? Or just kill us both?
Meh honestly not really. I generally don't have a strong enough grasp on the game to commit to my reads in that way and a plan that involves me potentially dying doesn't sound too ideal. (especially if it involves me getting limmed today, I'm just about to get a new result, which could end up being pretty meaningful. Maybe my role will get to do something!)

If you’re not strong enough on your fire read and he’s screaming you’re scum, what are you doing to fix that?

I just replied to a nice question he asked of me, and his biggest gripe with me has seemed to have been lack of engagement with him. If FB's town it could help out.
Though I'm not sure what it really means to "fix" it, here. I don't feel an immediate need to resolve FB/me, should I? I mean I'm bothered by FB's push against me but idk what you're expecting me to do in response.

[Meuh]

Mathblade, why are you so eager to make me/CSF vs Firebringer a thing?

[Meuh]

If I check T-bone tonight:
Sun attunement: T-bone can't be lunar, which means he and RR are very likely either town/town or solar/solar. (Unless RR is lunar who protected town T-bone but that's very unlikely).
Moon attunement: T-bone can't be solar, which means the burn likely happened, unless RR and T-bone are both lunar who made it up (which would out them as scum to the solar team, so unlikely). It also means that RR being scum now hinges on T-bone being scum, since as I said before, RR being lunar who protected town T-bone is very unlikely. This result would mean neither of them can be solar.

I think a check on RR is also good but because of the specific claim of a burn being stopped, a check on T-bone is marginally more informative.

[Meuh]

CSF truth told about Meuh a buddy being hit with a negative lunar factional.

Lunar scum doesn’t want Meuh Solar scum eliminated so Meuh tells them who can be recruited with honest checks.

They wouldn't want me eliminated because I'd be doused? Is that the idea?

[Meuh]

If I check T-bone tonight:
Sun attunement: T-bone can't be lunar, which means he and RR are very likely either town/town or solar/solar. (Unless RR is lunar who protected town T-bone but that's very unlikely).
Moon attunement: T-bone can't be solar, which means the burn likely happened, unless RR and T-bone are both lunar who made it up (which would out them as scum to the solar team, so unlikely). It also means that RR being scum now hinges on T-bone being scum, since as I said before, RR being lunar who protected town T-bone is very unlikely. This result would mean neither of them can be solar.

I think a check on RR is also good but because of the specific claim of a burn being stopped, a check on T-bone is marginally more informative.

I have a better idea VOTE: T-bone

I want to sort Meuh a bit more before that route

Is this because of our roles being linked or whatever or do you just really want me to be sorted ASAP for some other reason?

[Meuh]

Yeah Math you've been fixated on the Firebringer/me 1v1 thing for the past few pages with like no real indication as to why, I'm confused on it. I'm trying to see your point of view but there's nothing that really makes the FB/me thing meaningfully stick out from everything else. What's urgent about it? What's different about it?

[Meuh]

I think the check should be on PPF also. If they turn out to be Moon, then that's almost a clear, barring MMR deciding to claim a guilty on their partner for......... reasons?

See I do think a moon check on PPF is overall the best result the night could get. Issue is that a sun check just kind of... doesn't do anything? Whereas a check either way on you or T-bone actually helps figure you guys out.

[Meuh]

My mind hasn't changed. DDS, MathBlade, Ydrasse, Firebringer, PPF are all better targets, because, excepting Ydrasse, they've all actually done scummy things and have evidence pointing toward them, and, including Ydrasse, they're all actually here and able to defend themselves if they choose to. I HAVE been pushing for DDS, who I've made no secret of being my preference today.

I am willing to compromise. I am not willing to compromise on a slot that literally cannot play the game, UNLESS someone has an actual reason to suspect they're scum.

we already went to the moon and back about all of those, not happening, care to share with the class something that we have missed?

I don't think we did go "to the moon and back" about any of them. What I've observed happening is a wagon starts growing, then falls apart because there's no urgency without a deadline, even when most people seem okay with it flipping. I'm guilty of this too, as mentioned with not voting Ydrasse earlier, but if need be there is no doubt in my mind that we could settle on one of them.

this day is about to be 1/3 of the entire game.

That statement is a lot less powerful when you consider that this is the... fourth day

[Meuh]

Haven't really read everything but I've read some messages throughout the (irl) day, can we pleaaaaaaaaaaase do Ydrasse?

[Meuh]

Toog radiated town energy and has done nothing scum indicative afaik

I can vote there so we can make a lim happen, it doesn't seem awful.
Just know that I'll be wagging my finger and shaking my head the whole time...

Spoiler:

[Meuh]

Toog radiated town energy and has done nothing scum indicative afaik

I can vote there so we can make a lim happen, it doesn't seem awful.
Just know that I'll be wagging my finger and shaking my head the whole time...

Spoiler:

Wag your finger and help us anyway.

That's exactly what I'm proposing to do.

[Meuh]

VOTE: Porkens E-something, let's just get something done

[Meuh]

It's all Pokémon talk, don't think it has game relevance.

[Meuh]

PPF is attuned with the sun, therefore not aligned with the lunar cult.

With DDS confirmed not solar, this also means those two can’t be scum on the same team, which confirms that DDS did in fact provide that information to PPF and this isn’t coordinated.

[Meuh]

PPF is attuned with the sun, therefore not aligned with the lunar cult.

With DDS confirmed not solar, this also means those two can’t be scum on the same team, which confirms that DDS did in fact provide that information to PPF and this isn’t coordinated.

I’m not scum on either team but I don’t see why Dangle would lie, plus Math flip.

Can you elaborate on what you’re saying here? I don’t think I get it

[Meuh]

Also RR being scum kind of makes sense with everything else. Explains why DDS also has a role that makes people informed of being targeted and why CSF saw a negative ability used on me. Plus it makes sense with RR’s attempts to save Toog. Still don’t know what I got hit with on noon 1 but it was probably either a factional ability or another sun cult member’s ability

[Meuh]

Also it's very possible for burns to be real and RR to still be fake, I'm not sure why it wouldn't. The way things have lined up with RR correctly "healing a burn on noon 1", the fact there's a likely other target for the solar cult's actions that night and RR's defense of Toog all together are a bad look, regardless of if the specific term of "burn" is an actual mechanic or not. I still think burn might be an actual thing the solar team has as an ability and it doesn't really change my read of RR, nor my view of the game more broadly.

[Meuh]

The other night I dreamt we limmed PPF and they flipped town, is that good basis for a read?

[Meuh]

The thing with CSF is that I can see her be scum but I don’t see her and RR be scum, and I think RR is.

[Meuh]

The thing with CSF is that I can see her be scum but I don’t see her and RR be scum, and I think RR is.

Well it’s like I’m at

FB/RR or FB/Ydrass - Solar

CSF/Dingle - Lunar

CSF lunar is hard to swallow for me. With the claim of a negative action being used on me, if she's lunar it means either:
-She targeted me (why? lunar!CSF would target a teammate or something if her power is real)
-She's outright lying (which would likely be pretty clear to the solar team right? she'd out herself as scum to them, essentially)
-The lunar team targeted me with a negative action on noon 1 (lunar team acting on noon? questionable.)

Like if she's scum I think she's solar who either made the whole thing up or told the truth as foreshadowing for what's to come as some sort of confirmation. But her claiming a real negative action was used on me at the same time as the hypnotist tried to misdirect sounds weird. So if she's scum I think she's solar, and if she's solar I don't think RR also is.

[Meuh]

Also VOTE: Radical Rat, I think this is the right call here.

[Meuh]

Welcome Magician!

No deaths again... worried about conversion

[Meuh]

also those 2 quick votes to hammer TERRIFIED me, I'm still not over that

[Meuh]

The thing with CSF is that I can see her be scum but I don’t see her and RR be scum, and I think RR is.

Well it’s like I’m at

FB/RR or FB/Ydrass - Solar

CSF/Dingle - Lunar

CSF lunar is hard to swallow for me. With the claim of a negative action being used on me, if she's lunar it means either:
-She targeted me (why? lunar!CSF would target a teammate or something if her power is real)
-She's outright lying (which would likely be pretty clear to the solar team right? she'd out herself as scum to them, essentially)
-The lunar team targeted me with a negative action on noon 1 (lunar team acting on noon? questionable.)

Like if she's scum I think she's solar who either made the whole thing up or told the truth as foreshadowing for what's to come as some sort of confirmation. But her claiming a real negative action was used on me at the same time as the hypnotist tried to misdirect sounds weird. So if she's scum I think she's solar, and if she's solar I don't think RR also is.

With RR flipping solar, I'm throwing CSF into the townbin.

[Meuh]

For good or for ill, I’m here for a lil. Your hopes, I’ll make no attempt to fulfil; but perhaps this game can be a thrill.

Welcome Magician!

No deaths again... worried about conversion

Nice to meet ya… I’m new to this site, but I think I can assure you I’ll be more active than my slot’s previous… three owners? Whatever, moving on. Shockingly enough, I have barely attempted to read up on the thread, but my excuse is that I barely know any (though not quite none) of you, I was only pulled in to play a short time ago, and anyway players hold a different perspective on the game than a spectator would, so I would surely appreciate if I was given the cliffnotes and your current readlists, and I’ll ISO a few slots and see what comes up.

Oh welcome to the site! Explains why I didn't recognize your name
I can't fault you for not reading up much, I didn't either when I replaced in.
This game's mechanics are a bit dense, so it might be a bit difficult to get the hang of. Definitely trickier than in a newbie game
I can summarize what's happened so far to help you out, but if you have any specific questions feel free to ask!

[Meuh]

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Bastardness

This game does qualify as bastard, but the bastard elements are kept to a minimum. Mod-given information is true.
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Limited Reveal

Factional abilities will not be revealed when a faction member dies. Role abilities and alignment still flip as normal.
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Solar Cult and Lunar Cult

- These are the two scum factions. They have nonstandard factional abilities and are not neccisarily identical. Although they are flavored as cults, conversion abilities are neither confirmed nor denied to exist.

Speaking of conversion… and multiball…
Lunar and Solar. Multiball games are hard, but there are still certain indications one can look out for. Have there ever been double kills in one night?

Nope. At most one, and there's been several nights/noons with no deaths.
I don't know if you noticed this in the rules but the time cycles go Dusk -> Night -> Dawn -> Noon, our theory is that the lunar faction generally has more power on nights/dusks and the solar faction generally has more power on noons/dawns. This got further confirmed with Porkens' role which got revealed in 7242.

[Meuh]

Mechtalk is nice, but I’d like to hear your thoughts on a social TL;DR, and to hear the standards of town and wolf games on this site. Not because I’ll hold myself to those standards, but if everyone’s replacing in and out it’s safe to assume evils wouldn’t necessarily be trying their hardest to mimic their townplay, and might feel freer to push agenda, right?

Hmm that's a fair point, yeah. One concern I had earlier when thinking about myself missing the first bit of this game is that this is a gamestate where it's much easier for scum to get away with scummy behaviour on the long-term. The mass amount of replacements means that things that happened earlier haven't even been seen by a significant amount of us.
This isn't a standard amount of replacements, by the way

One thing when it comes to agenda is that I think with the nature of a multiball game, scum are more inclined than usual to push their agenda defensively (make sure their members aren't dead) but less to do so offensively (1 for 1s and bussing are much less viable when there's multiple scum teams.)
This makes me think better of more outspoken, offensive players than usual, though of course some of that just comes down to playstyle.

Last day ended very quickly because of the obvious lim so I assume this one will be a better opportunity for us to recoup.

[Meuh]

With RR flipping solar, I'm throwing CSF into the townbin.

Why can't I be scum with RR again?

You two's claims made the other look less likely and there was seemingly no coordination on it. There was also seemingly a lack of taking advantage of that information that would come from you both if that makes any sense? You or RR could've thrown out accusations of me being converted or something of the sort I'd believe it to be possible but nothing like that happened.

Pedit: I didn't get a result.

[Meuh]

Isn’t that fantastic, my ISO breakdown of Professotic’s slot didn’t seem to send. Whatever, I’ll just share my viewpoint.

I think Professotic is scum… they’re overly defensive in the earlygame about being scumread, they townread MMR, they scumread Radical early on but didn’t vote Rad when they were executed… their scumread on Meuh’s previous slot owner, Mastina, feels like Professotic was trying to scumread but not commit on a teammate…

Speaking of which, Meuh feels like a wolf as well. They didn’t share their social thoughts or anything when I asked them to, repeatedly dodging the question with mechtalk. The conversion fear felt performative. Meuh claiming wolves would be less aggressive, while valid, feels like light defence of Drapian’s early game.

Once again, I’ll repeat myself: what. Is. Your. Readlist?

Who's Drapian?

Prof is surface level scummy but their play is transparently town to me. It just feels oh so natural.
I didn't provide a readslist because I'm murky on a significant amount of players in this game and have to reassess.

At this point I'm vaguely thinking something like:

Strong townread

Magician, Prof, CSF

Leantown

T-bone

I leantown but simultaneously get bad vibes

PPF

DDS tier

DDS

??????

Firebringer

Scumread

Ydrasse, Enchant

[Meuh]

There's no reason to stop her from targeting us if she just has an investigative role.

Unless her role is more than an investigative role.

The role is literally called “limited astrologer”, it’s in the name

I think the info of you/Mathblade being untargetable was something Mastina passively learned at the end of dusk 1? I can only act at noon, but I did get that information and it was learned at the end of dusk 1.

Oh, interesting. Have you claimed all of your info?
This isn’t a clearing role.

Yup. Aside from that tidbit I got on dusk 1, on noon 1 I checked Unwnd, who was lunar attuned. On noon 2, I checked PPF, who is solar attuned (therefore not aligned with the lunar cult). That's the info I've got so far.
My role isn't clearing but my visit on noon 2 has been confirmed.

so

Meuh checked PPF atunment
DDS illuminated PPF so they can verify Meuh's target
PPF claims being targeted by Meuh

correct?

DDS claims a role that can "illuminate" a player so they can see who targeted them. DDS claims to have illuminated PPF and PPF claims to have seen me visit them. I confirmed that I did visit PPF. So at the very least I did visit PPF on noon 2. Not clearing but something to keep in mind regarding my role.

Pedit: Yeah, that's basically my thoughts on Prof at this point.

[Meuh]

VOTE: Ydrasse

This is where I want my vote, I think.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Enchant

Maybe it's just something straightforward like rr/firebringer for solar and ydrasse/enchant for lunar

Still kinda think this

Fair
Issue is that I'd be perplexing for all scum remaining to not be claiming pr yknow? I think at this point there's probably a scum fakeclaiming a PR, which I guess would be in you/PPF/DDS. But RR was fakeclaiming PR, so maybe putting all faith in RR was the play solar team was going for and thus whoever RR's teammate is wouldn't do so. Or maybe I'm too paranoid on it all and the scum left just simply haven't been fakeclaiming.
It just feels so

simple

. The 3 scummiest players who are all non-pr-claiming just being the solve.
Good lim pool for today though I think.

[Meuh]

Where did firebringer claim? Long game is long

I don't think he has? What I meant to say was more along the lines of "hasn't claimed pr by now"
Have Enchant and Ydrasse both claimed? I vaguely remember Ydrasse softclaiming VT but Enchant idk

[Meuh]

Oh eh, i don't think scum will always claim PR

Toog claimed VT. VT claims help you avoid getting shot by the other team in multiball, i don't put much stock in that

Hmm, hadn't considered the not getting shot thing. It's true that subtlety is probably rewarded for scum in general in a multi-ball.
I don't think scum will always claim PR. To me it feels off for all of our claims out there to be true and scum having nothing in the pool of claims to clear themselves. But I guess there's a myriad of reasons why they wouldn't.

[Meuh]

Hmm, I like that. One noteworthy thing is that T-bone is almost never solar scum here because of the RR burn shenanigans. This narrows down the pool of potential desperate solars even more, to just Prof or Enchant. I do think solar makes more sense for Prof than lunar but I think town makes even more sense. Enchant might just be a solid vote for today.
I like the idea of PPF/Ydrasse just being either lunar or town who hopped onto a wagon without being RR's partner. PPF can't be lunar (FMpov at least, though I think interactions with MMR showed that anyways) so as you said that's a great look.
Could just be Ydrasse with T-bone/Prof/Enchant as second (and maybe third?) partner for lunar.
Then, one of Prof/Enchant (or both) being solar scum trying to stop the momentum on the RR vote, maybe with FB off-wagon. Actually, the idea of an RR wagon gaining momentum with a partner being AFK makes a lot of sense, FB can just be solar scum here.

[Meuh]

Yeah... narrowing down who could be lunar, it's not looking super great for T-bone. Do you think T-bone/Ydrasse can be a team? If not, then is Enchant just like always a good lim here then?

[Meuh]

?????? Firebringer

right where i belong in ur reads

I still need to properly absorb your dusk 3 posts

[Meuh]

VOTE: Enchant

okay so besides enchant like...not doing anything.
why him

POE!
VOTE: Enchant

Also yes DDS is confirmed not solar.

[Meuh]

I think recruitment is our loss condition and I'll just cry if it exists :/
I'm just gonna cross my fingers this game has some wacky mechanics that aren't recruitment like arsonists or non-killing scumteams to explain the lack of deaths...

Hmm, I like that. One noteworthy thing is that T-bone is almost never solar scum here because of the RR burn shenanigans. This narrows down the pool of potential desperate solars even more, to just Prof or Enchant. I do think solar makes more sense for Prof than lunar but I think town makes even more sense. Enchant might just be a solid vote for today.
I like the idea of PPF/Ydrasse just being either lunar or town who hopped onto a wagon without being RR's partner. PPF can't be lunar (FMpov at least, though I think interactions with MMR showed that anyways) so as you said that's a great look.
Could just be Ydrasse with T-bone/Prof/Enchant as second (and maybe third?) partner for lunar.
Then, one of Prof/Enchant (or both) being solar scum trying to stop the momentum on the RR vote, maybe with FB off-wagon. Actually, the idea of an RR wagon gaining momentum with a partner being AFK makes a lot of sense, FB can just be solar scum here.

1)What stops Firebringer from being Solar? (I mean they are NEVER Lunar though and Lunar is our priority today.)
2)I was the one who started the vote on the Solar that Radical was fake claiming off of. That is suicidal to do for me if I was wolves with them. If I was a wolf with them I would drive or have attention away from that slot and there were slots that were doing that.
A notable one was Ydrass when they casually said “this is town” without reason on Maid Cafe Slot.

1) Nothing? Maybe I worded that poorly but I actually think FB!solar makes a lot of sense, I said so in the post.
2) I don't think you're scum either way. You starting the Toog wagon may be a point in your favour but you already have enough in my eyes.

[Meuh]

They can definitely be Lunar though.
Radical was hard pushing for Dingle’s execution.

How does this mean anything?
RR could just as easily do this for town or scum Dingle.

[Meuh]

Enchant lim still sounds good. and yeah, I'm also willing to just say PPF is town at this point. Impossible to be lunar aligned and their gameplay doesn't make sense if solar aligned.
I'd probably lim FB over Ydrasse because of the reasons outlined last page but that's not really something we have to decide on when we can just lim Enchant.

[Meuh]

Ydrasse makes much more sense as lunar than solar, yeah. The fakeclaim plan is worth considering for solar!Ydrasse though I'm not sure the solar team would need RR to be that close to dying to make it happen. iirc she was the vote that brought them to E-2.

[Meuh]

My POE pretty much lines up with that, also

[Meuh]

Well i have feeling protected every scum in this game

I am not sure if i even should exist regardless if i am town or not. So arguments on me are fair. Kinda can't say anything to it.

ask something i would know

Hello Enchant, I’m new to this game. I haven’t had the opportunity to catch up on your slot just yet, so how does the game look from your perspective?

i dunno, both scumteams do something unsenseble and i protect them for that

What's your thought process on this, why do you feel this way?

[Meuh]

Ughhh okay

FIRST
Ydrasse
Firebringer
professotic
T-Bone
PPF
Magician
LAST

If you've already full claimed take yourself off the list

[Meuh]

Not sure how I feel about a massclaim when I think a majority of players have already claimed (though we should probably properly compile everyone’s claims to easily refer to it)
At this point non-claimers are likely either scum or townies who we wouldn’t benefit from claiming
But also with so little people not claiming, it probably won’t make or break the game, so I’m not strongly opposed.

[Meuh]

Tbh you just mentioned your claim and it took me a solid minute to remember it
But if someone's actively making a list of who to claim that's probably something they should remember

Also:

Yet Dingle feels COMFORTABLY FINE putting CSF out of this.

This post exists

Ughhh okay

FIRST
Ydrasse
Firebringer
professotic
T-Bone
PPF
Magician
CSF
LAST

If you've already full claimed take yourself off the list

Oops that's what I meant

Who even hasn't claimed? T-bone and Magician? Is that literally it? It's not even a massclaim at that point it's just filling in some blanks.
I remember both of them softing VT but it's a vague memory

[Meuh]

When it’s confirmed it’s 3 on each team.

where it comed from

+1 confused on this

[Meuh]

Fun!

unwnd is attuned with the sun

. Therefore not aligned with the lunar cult.
I vaguely recall people saying unwnd was weird with the wagon on the person who just flipped lunar? I saw that on the last page. I picked unwd cause of that + Mastina having unwnd low on reads.

Yup. Aside from that tidbit I got on dusk 1,

on noon 1 I checked Unwnd, who was lunar attuned

. On noon 2, I checked PPF, who is solar attuned (therefore not aligned with the lunar cult). That's the info I've got so far.

hm

Yeah Unwnd is solar attuned, I misspoke that second time
I hate hate hate this terminology (same with the noon/dusk/dawn/night stuff) because it’s confusing as hell…
Like my result means that someone can’t be the opposite alignment of the result?? Blegh

[Meuh]

*sun attuned, because attunement uses different words than alignments also!!

[Meuh]

CSF lunar is actually worth considering now that I see Enchant’s compilation of everything (which is nice btw, thanks)
CSF going for a bold claim that I got targeted with negative utility is a good way to further pocket me and potentially gain towncred, which would be desperately needed after MMR died probably.
Solar!CSF makes like no sense though
I think I wanna check CSF because a clear on her could be nice.
Though I wonder how Yume replacing out fits into everything…

[Meuh]

Specifically worth noting that CSF claimed the negative action/kill on me before RR claimed the burn on T-bone. RR was forced to commit to the burn thing because the hypnotist message already got sent and RR already had claimed to be able to stop burns. So they might've not wanted to contradict each other but had to because they were too far in.
Those 2 bits of information they had would probably mean they'd at least scrutinize the other a bit, but iirc there was a noticeable lack of that. In theory yes T-bone could've been "burned" and I could've had a negative action used on me both on noon 1, but it's not that likely. CSF has a notable better excuse for the lack of scrunity, this being that T-bone did get a message, so T-bone and RR would have had to be both lying (because we didn't know hypnotist existed).
But it does make a lot of sense for CSF/RR to both be scum on opposing sides who avoided confrontation because they were both only seeking towncred. It fits in perfectly with how I think scum would play.
Bleghhhhhhhhhh do I actually have to reconsider my reads

Pedit: The thing with Yume/Mastina is that from what I read from people this game, I think they like know each other and Yume was acting in a typical way? If anyone has meta on this I'd appreciate it. But yeah it's tricky for me to judge Mastina/Yume because I think there's factors there that I'm just not aware of. Though even if Yume was acting normally, that doesn't stop them from being scum.

[Meuh]

(That's why I didn't respond to the quotes btw Prof, wasn't ignoring you or anything. I do appreciate them, but I was unsure I had the proper knowledge of Yume or Mastina to be able to judge those quotes accurately.)